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Edward64 04-14-2018 07:56 AM

Yes, its great we got UK and France helping out.

I wish Germany would get over its post-WW2 non-interventionist policies and help out more in the fore-front. We are all friends now and we trust you Germany not to go conquering other countries for Lebensraum.

Edward64 04-14-2018 08:42 AM

Watched the first 20 min of the briefing (the interesting stuff).

They kept on saying to the effect "significantly degraded" Syria's chemical capabilities with the strikes on the 3 locations and I just don't see it. General also said there were other sites that we did not hit.

There must have been a good reason not to have this more widespread (Russian reaction probably) and although this was a surgical strike and it will make Assad think twice about doing it again, I don't think it accomplished much other than messaging.

Should have been more widespread, surgical targeting IMO.

JonInMiddleGA 04-14-2018 09:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Edward64 (Post 3201818)
We are all friends now and we trust you Germany not to go conquering other countries for Lebensraum.


Speak for yourself on that one.

JonInMiddleGA 04-14-2018 09:09 AM

And this whole shindig, high on the list of Trump errors while in office. Probably not the least impressed by him I've been, but it's up there.

When there aren't any good guys in the fight, stay the hell out of it until there's only one left standing. Then, maybe, remove the last bad guy. We're a long way from that scenario & this was a dumb a.f. play.

JPhillips 04-14-2018 09:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Edward64 (Post 3201818)
Yes, its great we got UK and France helping out.

I wish Germany would get over its post-WW2 non-interventionist policies and help out more in the fore-front. We are all friends now and we trust you Germany not to go conquering other countries for Lebensraum.


I expect that the fact that Germany gets a ton of energy from Russia is a bigger issue in this case.

BBT 04-14-2018 09:53 AM

It looks like defense secretary James Mattis wants the record to show he urged Trump to be cautious with Syria air strikes
http://www.businessinsider.com/james...n-syria-2018-4

Quote:

Mattis may be separating himself from the strikes in case it leads to Russia or Iran attacking the 2,000-strong US troops in Syria or chaos ensuing from a potential collapse of Assad's regime, said Heras.

Mattis also indicated his desire to proceed with caution during public comments to the House Armed Services Committee on Thursday.

"We are trying to stop the murder of innocent people," Mattis said. "But on a strategic level, it's how do we keep this from escalating out of control — if you get my drift on that."

Until recently, Mattis' more cautious approach to foreign policy was often backed by Secretary of State Rex Tillerson. But with Tillerson now gone, and with a far more hawkish national security adviser in John Bolton, Mattis likely found fewer allies in convincing Trump to proceed with caution.

BBT 04-14-2018 09:55 AM

DOLA:

The US says it didn't give Russia any advance warning about targets hit in Syria strikes
http://www.businessinsider.com/us-ru...warning-2018-4

Quote:

"We did not coordinate targets or any planning with the Russians," Dunford said later, speaking at a press briefing alongside Secretary of Defense Jim Mattis. The Joint Chiefs chairman confirmed that normal deconflicting lines were used.

Reports earlier this week claimed that the US military would notify its Russian counterparts of potential targets before a strike.

A French defense minister seemed to contradict Dunford's assertion early Saturday morning, saying Russia was warned ahead of time, the Associated Press reported.

bronconick 04-14-2018 11:22 AM

There were probably three outcomes in Syria, none of which does the United States any good.

1. Islamic Dictatorship
2. Russian Puppet
3. Failed State where refugees stream everywhere.

1 was taken care of, leaving a mix of 2 and 3.

The Russians have invested over half a century in Syria. Let them deal with this shithole.

whomario 04-14-2018 04:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3201826)
I expect that the fact that Germany gets a ton of energy from Russia is a bigger issue in this case.


While it is undoubtedly true that there is a substantial amount of energy going from Russia to Germany (and many other european countries), the wariness of large-scale and "offensive" action is also pretty clearly entrenched in the current political power structure.
That being said, it's not like the government is deflecting from the issue. Russian diplomats have been expelled after the Skripal incident and the german "secretary of state" supported the action taken by the US/GB/FRA pretty strongly in official statements today.

Also as an aside and because i feel that isn't general knowledge and/or gets lost in Trump's personalised rhetoric: Those 3 countries are 3 of 5 permanent members of the UN Security Council (along with China and Russia, all 5 having Veto Power)*, which can't move forward as a body in this case due to Russia's veto powers. Which is at least part of the reason why a) GB/FRA felt comfortable "policing" this situation along with the US and b) why other countries did not, seeing as there is no resolution/mandate at hand.

Germany is spending/funding pretty much the same as France and more than Britain in terms of global peace-keeping missions (the US pays by far the most) within the UN btw and has been involved in a multitude of missions all over the globe in recent times including Afghanistan and Iraq.

* The other 10 spots are filled in a sort of "territorial rotation" making sure a wide spread of regions and countries is represented, with countries gaining memberships for 2 years.

I'll now go and plot which poor country i would attack first, should i ever feel my patio becomes too small for me.

RainMaker 04-15-2018 12:39 AM

The one policy I liked of Trump's during the campaign was staying out of shit like this. It was refreshing to have a major candidate actually want to get away from playing world police.

Marc Vaughan 04-15-2018 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 3201877)
The one policy I liked of Trump's during the campaign was staying out of shit like this. It was refreshing to have a major candidate actually want to get away from playing world police.


That was before he realized it might distract from the issues he's having at home ... Trump looks out for one person only, himself ..

PilotMan 04-15-2018 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 3201877)
The one policy I liked of Trump's during the campaign was staying out of shit like this. It was refreshing to have a major candidate actually want to get away from playing world police.


Fareed Zakaria's statement this morning regarding the strikes and his Syria policy was "Trump has become Obama", except with no real plan. He's stopped supplying rebels, said we're leaving. Not much policy there.

panerd 04-15-2018 01:55 PM

They are always the peace candidate until they get into office, most people on both sides of the aisle (outside of maybe a JiMGa) want the candidate of peace and prosperity. Hell even Bush back in 2000 was all about no longer being the world’s policemen. Then they get into office and same old shit. One could argue the reality of mankind is that there will always be a war or take the other extreme and say there are people/corporations more powerful than the president running our foreign policy. I tend to think it’s a mix of both but no matter which stand you take nothing ever changes does it?

That said Trump is the last fucking person we need in charge of even a minor conflict. I don’t know if anyone here watches the show Designated Survivor but the president is always torn on these decisions putting lives at risk and what information is correct. I can totally picture Obama or Bush or Clinton having those conversations and reservations. With Trump I just picture the attorney general from Billions putting his dick on the table and asking everyone who is in charge. This situation happening right now is why I was dumbfounded people voted for Trmup, do even his most hardline supporters think he is qualified to be commander in chief of the worlds largest military?

Thomkal 04-15-2018 03:29 PM

Looks like Barbara Bush is nearing the end of her road...

Spokesman: Barbara Bush in ‘failing health’ - POLITICO

JPhillips 04-15-2018 04:02 PM

Trump was simultaneously arguing that we should be more belligerent and fight less. It was always pretty obvious which one was more likely to happen.

Thomkal 04-15-2018 09:43 PM

So you would think the President would have more important things to do after bombing Syria...alas we have Donald Trump:

Donald Trump is losing it on Twitter over James Comey - Vox

stevew 04-15-2018 10:00 PM

Love how this assclown has to toss in a "he is not smart" as if anyone thinks Comey is some perfect guy.

cartman 04-16-2018 01:59 PM

Cohen's unnamed third client...

Sean Hannity

Ben E Lou 04-16-2018 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by cartman (Post 3201971)
Cohen's unnamed third client...

Sean Hannity

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stevew 04-16-2018 03:02 PM

OH GAWD!!!

stevew 04-16-2018 03:04 PM

like I'm in popcorn mode now...as long as we're not going to start a nuclear war I'm willing to test the limits of this democracy.

Thomkal 04-16-2018 03:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cartman (Post 3201971)
Cohen's unnamed third client...

Sean Hannity


shocking! And shocking too that Sean never mentioned this when discussing Cohen news.

I also bet that some reporter will find out soon that Hannity just became a client when Cohen needed someone to be on his client list.

Ben E Lou 04-16-2018 03:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thomkal (Post 3201978)
I also bet that some reporter will find out soon that Hannity just became a client when Cohen needed someone to be on his client list.

Well, based on his other two clients, he's the guy to call when you need to have your mistress paid off to keep quiet, so...

PilotMan 04-16-2018 03:07 PM

I'm just here for news on the taint team.

Thomkal 04-16-2018 03:07 PM

Makes you wonder doesn't it?

cartman 04-16-2018 03:09 PM

Hannity is saying that he never received a bill or invoice from Cohen, but he still has attorney-client privilege because he asked for it.

That's not how it works, Sean.

Thomkal 04-16-2018 03:13 PM

Meanwhile Scott Pruitt gets busted again-this time for his soundproof booth he just had to have to do his job:

http://thehill.com/business-a-lobbyi...undproof-booth

JPhillips 04-16-2018 03:25 PM

ping: Honolulu Blue

I claim attorney-client privilege to talk about some things I did.

stevew 04-16-2018 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PilotMan (Post 3201980)
I'm just here for news on the taint team.


"Taint Team" sounds like a porno involving female athletes who got busted for taking a banned substance and now have to turn enough tricks to fund their legal defense.

Edward64 04-16-2018 03:45 PM

Nice. Sure hope some juicy things come out of this with Cohen-Hannity.

bronconick 04-16-2018 03:49 PM

So Sean Hannity has been using his perch at Fox News to rail against the investigation into someone who he didn't disclose was his own lawyer.

Sounds about right.

Thomkal 04-16-2018 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3201984)
ping: Honolulu Blue

I claim attorney-client privilege to talk about some things I did.


Nobody breaks the law in Newburgh, so you're safe :)

Logan 04-16-2018 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bronconick (Post 3201987)
So Sean Hannity has been using his perch at Fox News to rail against the investigation into someone who he didn't disclose was his own lawyer.

Sounds about right.


DRAIN THE SWAMP!

BYU 14 04-16-2018 04:07 PM

Trump now walking back on Haley's announcement of more sanctions against Russia. The show isn't as fun to watch when you can see the strings on the Puppet.

JPhillips 04-16-2018 04:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thomkal (Post 3201988)
Nobody breaks the law in Newburgh, so you're safe :)


I've been running with a crew on Liberty St.

PilotMan 04-16-2018 06:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BYU 14 (Post 3201992)
Trump now walking back on Haley's announcement of more sanctions against Russia. The show isn't as fun to watch when you can see the strings on the Puppet.


Quote:

The Trump administration decided shortly thereafter to characterize Ms Haley's comments as a misstatement, according to the Post.

Nope, no chaos, or anything out of the ordinary with this. Just your typical, everyday presidential experience that everyone has.


Thomkal 04-16-2018 07:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3201998)
I've been running with a crew on Liberty St.


And you're still alive? :)

Thomkal 04-16-2018 07:33 PM

I wonder if Donald will congratulate them on winning the Pulitzer:

Pulitzer Prizes honor reporting on Trump-Russia, sexual misconduct scandals - POLITICO

SackAttack 04-16-2018 10:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bronconick (Post 3201987)
So Sean Hannity has been using his perch at Fox News to rail against the investigation into someone who he didn't disclose was his own lawyer.

Sounds about right.


Fun bit is, he claims he's never been a client of Cohen's, nor paid him a retainer.

If both of those things are true, there's no attorney/client privilege involved, and anything in Cohen's files regarding Hannity is unprotected. Wonder if he thought that through before he threw Cohen under the bus after Cohen had to reveal his name in open court?

:popcorn:

Edward64 04-17-2018 06:20 AM

Pretty significant move I think. Now if they can replicate that for the Tech industry also.

Not sure if Trump gets major credit for this but I don't think this would have happened under Obama. I think this is somewhat of a reaction to Trump and also because Xi has solidified his power base.

VW to Tesla Set to Win From China Move to Remove Ownership Caps - Bloomberg
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China will let foreign automakers from Volkswagen AG to Ford Motor Co. own more than 50 percent of local ventures, removing a two-decade restriction and giving a boost to global companies seeking to capture a greater share of the world’s largest car market.

Electric-car makers such as Tesla Inc. will see the swiftest benefit, with ownership limitation for such businesses lifting as soon as this year. The cap for commercial vehicles will be eliminated in 2020 and that for passenger vehicles in 2022, the agency that oversees industries said Tuesday.

The move may help diffuse tensions between China and the U.S. after President Donald Trump’s intensified rhetoric risked an all-out trade war. Companies from Daimler AG and BMW AG to General Motors Co. and Toyota Motor Corp. are set to find it easier to manufacture and do business in China, while local makers will be under increased pressure to speed up the building of their own brands.

China’s announcement comes on the heels of a similar move for the financial industry last week.

cuervo72 04-17-2018 07:05 AM

Well no, it didn't happen under Obama but it may have happened regardless. Linked from the above article, from June '16:

China May Lift Cap on Foreign Carmaker Stakes in Joint Ventures - Bloomberg

digamma 04-17-2018 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by SackAttack (Post 3202021)
Fun bit is, he claims he's never been a client of Cohen's, nor paid him a retainer.

If both of those things are true, there's no attorney/client privilege involved, and anything in Cohen's files regarding Hannity is unprotected. Wonder if he thought that through before he threw Cohen under the bus after Cohen had to reveal his name in open court?

:popcorn:


This is not exactly true. You can create an attorney-client relationship in a lot of ways, and a retainer is only one of them. As I read Hannity's statement, it's clear he's trying to carefully parse language and events to preserve the chance there's A/C privilege while downplaying the alleged conflict. Stating he "never represented me with regard to third parties" does not preclude an attorney-client relationship being established for general legal advice, whether there is a fee paid or not.

digamma 04-17-2018 07:44 AM

Also, count me in for the view that the continued foreign policy chaos is a much bigger deal than the Hannity saga, which is admittedly popcorn worthy. We've essentially functioned without a President or executive branch on the world stage for 18 months.

Marc Vaughan 04-17-2018 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Edward64 (Post 3202031)
Pretty significant move I think. Now if they can replicate that for the Tech industry also.

Not sure if Trump gets major credit for this but I don't think this would have happened under Obama. I think this is somewhat of a reaction to Trump and also because Xi has solidified his power base.

VW to Tesla Set to Win From China Move to Remove Ownership Caps - Bloomberg


So basically less people in the US being hired by corporations because China has cheaper labor ... not certain how this is a win for America? ... for US corporations yes, but not expecting this to benefit American citizens any time soon.

(US car manufacturers could already import to China and weren't any where near their existing limits on imports because their cars aren't competitive in that marketplace ...)

jeff061 04-17-2018 09:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by digamma (Post 3202038)
Also, count me in for the view that the continued foreign policy chaos is a much bigger deal than the Hannity saga, which is admittedly popcorn worthy. We've essentially functioned without a President or executive branch on the world stage for 18 months.


Trump's base believes foreign policy is irrelevant. Wall off and focus 100% on America, everything and everyone else is irrelevant. Spending a minute of time or money on foreign affairs would be breaking a campaign promise. Party like it's 1499.

Noop 04-17-2018 10:09 AM

At this point I am waiting for the charges to be filed and watching the perp walk.

For a party that screams about the Deep State it sure looks like it is them with a convert of operatives who are undermining the Rule of Law and democracy.

Edward64 04-17-2018 10:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marc Vaughan (Post 3202042)
So basically less people in the US being hired by corporations because China has cheaper labor ... not certain how this is a win for America? ... for US corporations yes, but not expecting this to benefit American citizens any time soon.

(US car manufacturers could already import to China and weren't any where near their existing limits on imports because their cars aren't competitive in that marketplace ...)


I agree the benefits are to US Corporations and not necessarily the US auto labor force.

No doubt there will be some labor skills that will not be as needed in the future.

mckerney 04-17-2018 11:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Noop (Post 3202046)
At this point I am waiting for the charges to be filed and watching the perp walk.

For a party that screams about the Deep State it sure looks like it is them with a convert of operatives who are undermining the Rule of Law and democracy.


Maybe the FBI agents who do make the arrests will even remember what Trump said about slamming suspects heads into the roof of the car.

NobodyHere 04-17-2018 12:54 PM

Neil Gorsuch sides with liberals to tip decision to immigrant in Supreme Court deportation case

SackAttack 04-17-2018 01:09 PM

I've got the popcorn ready. The coming tweetstorm is going to be incredible.

Thomkal 04-17-2018 08:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SackAttack (Post 3200226)
They kinda have to. It's that or contempt of court.

But it's this fucked double jeopardy bullshit because the affected districts won't have representation in a vote designed to deny them representation for at least another 7 months.

Bonus fun? If Walker had called the elections when those Senators first resigned to join his Administration, the special elections could have been on Tuesday's ballot. Yeah, wankery because the legislature will be out of session the rest of the year, but the court bullshit never needed to happen.

There never needed to be a separate election to cost the state additional money.

And there never needed to be this appearance of 'oh shit we're afraid we're gonna lose hold onto power by any means necessary,' whether that's actually what's going on or not.

But nobody ever went broke betting on the WI GOP to do the dumbest fucking thing imaginable at the worst possible moment.


Just to follow up on this, Walker and the Republicans finally gave in I see and he called for the special elections. Hope the Dems win both by a large margin.

https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/...ill/469000002/

tarcone 04-17-2018 08:20 PM

Our state AG has accused Gov. Greitens of using his charities data to contact people for contributions to his campaign. Which is a felony in Missouri.
The AG cannot charge so he is turning the evidence over to St Louis, where it happened.

It has almost passed the statute of limitations. So he is hurrying.

The GOP has called to impeach. The governor is a republican.

Looks bad.

Thomkal 04-17-2018 08:31 PM

Still no movement from Greitens on resigning?

Shkspr 04-17-2018 08:32 PM

Greitens' only hope to stay in office may be to institute trial by combat for impeachment.

Thomkal 04-17-2018 08:37 PM

Guess I can answer my own question:

Eric Greitens‏Verified account @EricGreitens 1h1 hour ago




I will not be resigning the Governor's office. In three weeks, this matter will go to a court of law—where it belongs and where the facts will prove my innocence. Until then, I will do what the people of Missouri sent me here to do: to serve them and work hard on their behalf.

tarcone 04-17-2018 08:56 PM

He is very defiant. The committees report about the incident is akin to rape. He is in some deep crap.

I would be shocked if he was around by the end of Summer.

BBT 04-18-2018 02:18 AM

Thought this was an interesting tweet that related to the government:



SackAttack 04-18-2018 03:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by digamma (Post 3202037)
This is not exactly true. You can create an attorney-client relationship in a lot of ways, and a retainer is only one of them. As I read Hannity's statement, it's clear he's trying to carefully parse language and events to preserve the chance there's A/C privilege while downplaying the alleged conflict. Stating he "never represented me with regard to third parties" does not preclude an attorney-client relationship being established for general legal advice, whether there is a fee paid or not.


But you can't create attorney-client privilege if you're not a client. Hannity was adamant in saying that he was never a client of Cohen's.

If there's no legally defined relationship, there's no privilege.

SackAttack 04-18-2018 03:24 AM

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Maybe not the specific turn of phrase I'd have chosen given the clouds around you, but you do you, Mr. President.

You do you.

digamma 04-18-2018 05:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SackAttack (Post 3202112)
But you can't create attorney-client privilege if you're not a client. Hannity was adamant in saying that he was never a client of Cohen's.

If there's no legally defined relationship, there's no privilege.


Again, you're not stating the law correctly. There are treatises written on what creates an attorney-client relationship. Unless Cohen explicitly disclaimed the existence of one, the descriptions of what happened seem to create the basis for an a-c relationship. (I don't know what was said between the two, so can only speculate.)

Also the statements I've read from Hannity also don't say what you're saying they do. Hannity seems to say the opposite when he says that he assumed his conversations were confidential.

But hey, what do I know?

Thomkal 04-18-2018 09:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SackAttack (Post 3202113)
Maybe not the specific turn of phrase I'd have chosen given the clouds around you, but you do you, Mr. President.

You do you.


I thought he had "forgotten" to mention the passing of Barbara Bush but there it is buried under all the crap like that one and blasting Stormy Daniels for the sketch of the guy who tried to intimidate her to leave the President alone. There was this lovely message, pretty clearly not written by him:

Thomkal 04-18-2018 09:36 AM

Of course the statement was dated 2017...

Kodos 04-18-2018 09:56 AM

No mention of her low-energy son?

miami_fan 04-18-2018 10:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thomkal (Post 3202096)
Guess I can answer my own question:

Eric Greitens‏Verified account @EricGreitens 1h1 hour ago




I will not be resigning the Governor's office. In three weeks, this matter will go to a court of law—where it belongs and where the facts will prove my innocence. Until then, I will do what the people of Missouri sent me here to do: to serve them and work hard on their behalf.


This has to be the play for everyone moving forward, right? Make someone remove you from office as opposed to resigning. Why would he leave? To spare his family further embarrassment? To protect the honor of the Office of Governor? I think this is the correct play politically given the political environment today.

BishopMVP 04-18-2018 12:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SackAttack (Post 3202112)
But you can't create attorney-client privilege if you're not a client. Hannity was adamant in saying that he was never a client of Cohen's.

If there's no legally defined relationship, there's no privilege.

I'm not a lawyer and don't care about the Hannity case, but I thought in layman's terms if I discuss something with an attorney while considering hiring him (slash he's considering taking on my case), it's covered under attorney-client privilege, even if we don't end up consummating the arrangement and formally signing a contract. If Hannity's argument is that he asked for advice but never formally signed an agreement and became a client or "received an invoice", I think that could technically be true while also being wildly misleading and shady for his lack of disclosure.

BBT 04-18-2018 05:01 PM




South Korea isn't part of the TPP

Thomkal 04-18-2018 06:51 PM

Sean Hannity is an "unofficial chief of staff" for the White House: http://www.businessinsider.com/sean-...f-staff-2018-4

Thomkal 04-18-2018 07:07 PM

So McConnell's strategy for dealing with "vulnerable Democrats" in the mid-terms? Lengthen the Senate work week to keep them off the campaign trail:

http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/3...om-campaigning

Thomkal 04-18-2018 07:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by miami_fan (Post 3202131)
This has to be the play for everyone moving forward, right? Make someone remove you from office as opposed to resigning. Why would he leave? To spare his family further embarrassment? To protect the honor of the Office of Governor? I think this is the correct play politically given the political environment today.


Greitens next step:

http://thehill.com/homenews/state-wa...inst-state-ags

Thomkal 04-18-2018 07:18 PM

170 lawmakers sign resolution calling for Pruitt's resignation:
http://thehill.com/policy/energy-env...fs-resignation

Thomkal 04-18-2018 07:23 PM

Karen McDougall gets a settlement with the National Enquirer and can now freely discuss her affair with Trump:

http://thehill.com/homenews/media/38...d-trump-affair

panerd 04-19-2018 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Thomkal (Post 3202156)


Around here it sounds like the case is going to be tossed today. No doubt this guy is a sleazebag but supposedly the accuser (though I look for a better term because she isn't the one who brought this incident to light) says a lot of the stuff might not have happened or might have been in a dream. For the non-St Louisians not heavily invested in this case the prosecutor is the same one who last year tried the Jason Stockley case years after it was ruled a dead end both locally and by the Feds. She seems a little more interested in publicity than justice in my opinion or is wildly incompetent.

panerd 04-19-2018 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by panerd (Post 3202200)
Around here it sounds like the case is going to be tossed today.


ksdk.com | Invasion of privacy case against Gov. Greitens to move forward

Or not. In any case I don't expect one to end like most seem to envision with a disgraced governor waving a Nixon-like wave on his way out the door. Really crappy case with really big holes. Will be fun to follow though!

JPhillips 04-19-2018 10:11 AM

If it's all fake, the GOP run House has to be in on it as well.

That seems unlikely.

JPhillips 04-19-2018 10:26 AM

dola

Ted Cruz wrote the gushing text for Trump in Time's 100 Most Influential edition. The degradation is complete. What a cuck.

panerd 04-19-2018 10:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3202205)
If it's all fake, the GOP run House has to be in on it as well.

That seems unlikely.


It's not fake, there just isn't a shred of proof and the prosecutors know it but are still going forward with the trial. He isn't going to trial for being a dirt-bag who in the governor's mansion instead of a picture of himself in a suit like every other governor has a casual North-face jacket picture of his family because he is not the "normal politician" while he is diddling his hairdresser... he is in trouble because they say he blackmailed her with a picture which nobody has and she has said may have been in a dream and didn't actually happen. Like I said earlier everyone knew Jason Stockley was a dirtbag and likely dirty cop but he never came to trial because they had no proof. However the St. Louis prosecuting attorneys still for whatever reason decided to prosecute an unwinnable case.

As far as the GOP dominated House goes they can't stand the guy either. Unlike Trump Grietens really is an outsider with no political allies.


Thomkal 04-19-2018 11:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3202209)
dola

Ted Cruz wrote the gushing text for Trump in Time's 100 Most Influential edition. The degradation is complete. What a cuck.


You would think after the crazy stories Trump put out about his parents during the campaign, Cruz would be about the last person to do the Time piece on him. I hope the last we hear of him is his losing his re-election (his challenger is within the margin of error in some polls) and deciding never again to run for President. But we probably won't get so lucky.

Thomkal 04-19-2018 11:16 AM

Cohen drops libel suits against BuzzFeed, Fusion GPS - POLITICO

Butter 04-19-2018 11:17 AM

Found the Greitens truther guys.

panerd 04-19-2018 11:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Butter (Post 3202217)
Found the Greitens truther guys.


Yeah. Anyone who follows these threads the past 10 years know I rail on and on and on about the two-party system and the idiots who vote lessor of two evils. Well in the Missouri governor's race I voted lessor of two evils and begrudgingly pulled the lever for Koster (D). I could care less if Grietens is impeached and if they did would love some loophole where they could get a Democrat in office to counteract the nonsense that comes out of Jefferson City. I'm just telling you guys nothing is going to happen, there is a case full of holes with no evidence and a lot of shoddy work. But why let facts get in the way of a salacious story.?

BBT 04-19-2018 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Thomkal (Post 3202213)
You would think after the crazy stories Trump put out about his parents during the campaign, Cruz would be about the last person to do the Time piece on him. I hope the last we hear of him is his losing his re-election (his challenger is within the margin of error in some polls) and deciding never again to run for President. But we probably won't get so lucky.


Wasn’t just his father, Trump made fun of his wife as well. But, if you’ve ever read about Cruz’s past, it isn’t a surprise that he doesn’t care. The man is all about trying to be president and will sell out anything to reach that goal. If he thinks he can get Trump’s base on his side, he’ll sell sell his own son to the highest bidder.

I keep hoping Beto will win, but the “R” next to Cruz’s name will be tough to beat.

panerd 04-19-2018 01:26 PM

Just another truther post I know. According to the prosecutors former FBI special investigator William Tisaby didn't have a functional video recording or take any notes while interviewing woman at center of Greitens case...



Screenshot shows prosecutor's office interview of woman at cente - KMOV.com

Logan 04-19-2018 02:12 PM

Why was she being interviewed in the kitchen?

Thomkal 04-19-2018 03:19 PM

Kris Kobach showing why he was an excellent choice for Trump's voter fraud commission:

Kris Kobach, Face of Trump’s Voter Fraud Panel, Is Held in Contempt by Judge - The New York Times

tarcone 04-19-2018 04:28 PM

The Greitens drama continues

The judge is allowing the trial to go forward after a defense motion to throw it out.
And Greitens has also filed a temporary restraining order against the state AG.

Man, this is must watch.

JPhillips 04-19-2018 04:54 PM

Rudy is Trump's new lawyer and he says he's going to talk to Mueller and get this wrapped up in a couple of weeks.

lol

Thomkal 04-19-2018 07:40 PM

yes well if you needed evidence Rudy was a bit mentally unstable...

Thomkal 04-19-2018 07:47 PM

Not shocking, but shocking:

http://thehill.com/homenews/administ...-bushs-funeral

Melania is going in his place. Thought Pence might be the choice here.

Thomkal 04-19-2018 10:05 PM

Well Comey was ordered to release his memos to Congress...who then promptly leaked them to the press:

https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/19/polit...mos/index.html

Edit: And Trump has tweeted about it:

Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump









James Comey Memos just out and show clearly that there was NO COLLUSION and NO OBSTRUCTION. Also, he leaked classified information. WOW! Will the Witch Hunt continue?

Thomkal 04-19-2018 10:33 PM

Trump not happy with his Supreme Court pick after Gorsuch was the deciding vote in the recent immigration case they heard:

http://thehill.com/regulation/court-...liberal-report

QuikSand 04-20-2018 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Thomkal (Post 3202270)
Trump not happy with his Supreme Court pick after Gorsuch was the deciding vote in the recent immigration case they heard:

http://thehill.com/regulation/court-...liberal-report


Maybe Gorsuch will get called in for a "loyalty dinner" with the Prez.

mckerney 04-20-2018 09:20 AM

Why Were Republicans So Desperate To Release the Embarrassing Comey Memos? Here’s One Explanation.

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This all ultimately seems to explain why House Republicans were so eager to get these memos into the public. It seems as though they thought the memos would prove Comey had illegally leaked classified information and lied about it. It seems as though they were basing this entirely on a bit of contradictory—and likely inaccurate—Fox News reporting. And it seems that this contradictory, likely inaccurate reporting was done by Fox News to help validate this Donald Trump tweet, which was sent two days after Comey’s Senate testimony:
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Finally, it seems that the memos released prove the exact opposite: the apparently leaked documents were never and still aren’t classified.

Ultimately, this is likely why on Thursday night we learned that Putin was allegedly discussing Russian hookers with Trump, that the president appears to have been obsessed with the pee tape to a previously undisclosed degree, and apparently had his chief of staff ask the FBI director if Mike Flynn was being bugged.

You'd think Congressional Republicans would know better than to trust what's on Fox News.

Thomkal 04-20-2018 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by QuikSand (Post 3202279)
Maybe Gorsuch will get called in for a "loyalty dinner" with the Prez.


I hope he takes notes :D

QuikSand 04-20-2018 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Thomkal (Post 3202285)
I hope he takes notes :D


"Tapes" tho

Thomkal 04-20-2018 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by mckerney (Post 3202281)
Why Were Republicans So Desperate To Release the Embarrassing Comey Memos? Here’s One Explanation.




You'd think Congressional Republicans would know better than to trust what's on Fox News.


The President does, so why shouldn't they? I think they thought that America would have a "hallelujah moment" and say OMG those crazy Republicans were right after all. Instead they just showed to what lengths of craziness they will go to.

Thomkal 04-20-2018 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by QuikSand (Post 3202287)
"Tapes" tho


even better :)

Thomkal 04-20-2018 12:07 PM

DNC sues Russian government, Trump campaign, WikiLeaks alleging 2016 conspiracy plot - POLITICO

panerd 04-20-2018 01:03 PM


The DNC already coming up with brilliant strategies to blow what should be a cakewalk 2018 mid-term.

molson 04-20-2018 01:13 PM

Let's remember too that Trump as the nominee, and all the momentum he got from that, was always a part of the Democrats master plan as well. Trump had many enablers.

They Always Wanted Trump - POLITICO Magazine

digamma 04-20-2018 01:25 PM

It's actually re-litigating 2016. Jeez.


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