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Edward64 04-09-2018 04:55 PM

Can they make him testify against Trump or report Trump's "questionable" dealings?

If it was straight out illegal, I would think so but if it was in the grey area?

JPhillips 04-09-2018 05:04 PM

Ken White (aka Popehat) on why this raid is a big deal:

http://reason.com/archives/2018/04/0...rch-trump-lawy

RainMaker 04-09-2018 05:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BBT (Post 3201534)
Guessing it may be related to the Stormy Daniels issue. Cohen’s payment may have violated the Federal Election law since he was associated with the Trump campaign when he made that payment.


I don't know. FEC violations usually result in a slap on the wrist.

JPhillips 04-09-2018 05:27 PM

WaPo says bank fraud and campaign finance violations.

Cohen's been with Trump for years, if he flips...

NobodyHere 04-09-2018 05:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3201541)
WaPo says bank fraud and campaign finance violations.

Cohen's been with Trump for years, if he flips...


If he flips, how much is he allowed to say?

cartman 04-09-2018 05:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NobodyHere (Post 3201542)
If he flips, how much is he allowed to say?


There are limits to client-attorney privilege. If there were discussions to commit or cover up a crime, then there are no protections in place.

Thomkal 04-09-2018 07:30 PM

https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/09/polit...hen/index.html

Poor baby, its so unfair. It's like a broken record with him-criticize Jeff Sessions-check, why are they not investigating Hilary-check. badmouth Obama-check, criticize the Justice Department and the FBI-check..

cuervo72 04-09-2018 07:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cartman (Post 3201543)
There are limits to client-attorney privilege. If there were discussions to commit or cover up a crime, then there are no protections in place.


Seriously. Otherwise anyone looking to do anything illegal would just have it taken care of through an "attorney."

(Of course, that's probably exactly his logic.)

RainMaker 04-09-2018 07:51 PM

The US Attorney who filed the search warrant was appointed by Trump.

Bee 04-09-2018 08:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 3201552)
The US Attorney who filed the search warrant was appointed by Trump.


Trump only hires the best people.

BBT 04-10-2018 05:24 AM

http://www.startribune.com/fox-news-mistakenly-posts-graphic-showing-it-lags-in-trust/479130233/


Quote:

"Media Buzz" host Howard Kurtz said on Facebook Monday that the graphic was posted out of sequence. It was later used on the show.

Kurtz was talking about a Monmouth University poll about whether the media regularly or occasionally report fake news.

But the graphic showed results from another question about trust in cable news outlets. Fox News was last at 30 percent.

The Associated Press earlier reported that Kurtz ordered the graphic be taken down, but did not note that it was used again moments later.


Edward64 04-10-2018 07:45 AM

Interesting chart on news bias

http://www.allgeneralizationsarefals...ermark-min.jpg

You can click on it to make it bigger. Here's the news story linking to it.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/ho...art-2018-02-28
Quote:

Are we even aware of our biases anymore?

If you look at this chart and are convinced your “extreme” source belongs in the middle, you just might be part of the problem plaguing America today.

“In the past, national evening news programs, local evening news programs, and the front pages of print newspapers were dominated by fact-reporting stories,” says the chart’s creator, patent attorney Vanessa Otero. “Now, however, many sources people consider to be ‘news sources’ are actually dominated by analysis and opinion pieces.”

She released the first version of the chart back in 2016, and she’s updated it several times since. Over the past year, it’s gone viral, with thousands of educators at both the high school and college levels using the compelling visual. She says she’s “shocked” by all the attention it’s received and still gets requests every day.

Otero also talked about why such bias is so troubling.

“I think the extremes are very toxic and damaging to the country,” she explained to MarketWatch. “These extreme sources play on people’s worst instincts, like fear and tribalism, and take advantage of people’s confirmation biases.”

Atocep 04-10-2018 10:02 AM

I've never heard of the media organizations in the liberal part of the red box. I'm surprised the Daily Beast and Mother Jones are considered fairly accurate, albeit left leaning.

The fact that Fox News, Breitbart, and Info Wars are where they are isn't really a surprise but it's sad when you consider those places are are most Trump supporters get their information. As I heard a Trump supporter say yesterday, "when I see a political commentator described as far right I know he's actually a moderate."

mckerney 04-10-2018 10:27 AM



When will this witch hunt the Democrats are in end?

mckerney 04-10-2018 10:58 AM

It looks like Berman actually recused himself. Recusal will make Trump even more upset.


Ben E Lou 04-10-2018 11:23 AM




If an innocent man's attorney's office is raided by the FBI, he says, "Wow. Sucks for him. He seemed like a good guy to me. Wonder what he did?" An innocent man doesn't care about attorney-client privilege in this situation; a criminal does.

albionmoonlight 04-10-2018 12:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mckerney (Post 3201572)
When will this witch hunt the Democrats are in end?


The ironic thing is that had Clinton won, Trump would be under much less investigation. I can't see the Clinton DOJ wasting political capital going after Trump and making him look like a martyr.

Basically, Trump keeps getting the screws put to him BECAUSE no Democrats are in charge of the investigation.

Logan 04-10-2018 12:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ben E Lou (Post 3201575)



If an innocent man's attorney's office is raided by the FBI, he says, "Wow. Sucks for him. He seemed like a good guy to me. Wonder what he did?" An innocent man doesn't care about attorney-client privilege in this situation; a criminal does.


Besides the fact that it indicates how fucking guilty he is for the reasons Ben points out, anyone see something else strange about that tweet?

mckerney 04-10-2018 01:05 PM

All I've got is that it's the worst understanding of attorney-client privilege by a Trump since Junior telling Congress a conversation with his father was covered by it because there was a lawyer present.

digamma 04-10-2018 01:36 PM

Ari Fleischer is making a run for having the worst understanding of A-C privilege on twitter right now.

On the first question, he didn't use the right dash?

Logan 04-10-2018 02:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by digamma (Post 3201584)
Ari Fleischer is making a run for having the worst understanding of A-C privilege on twitter right now.

On the first question, he didn't use the right dash?


Not so much about right or wrong, but that can typically only be composed through entering a code.

Unless of course you happened to be on the Wiki page for attorney-client privilege to copy/paste from:

Attorney–client privilege - Wikipedia

Chief Rum 04-10-2018 03:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Logan (Post 3201585)
Not so much about right or wrong, but that can typically only be composed through entering a code.

Unless of course you happened to be on the Wiki page for attorney-client privilege to copy/paste from:

Attorney–client privilege - Wikipedia


Clever sleuthing but not so sure about that. Many programs with typing modules will turn two regular dashes into that character if you hit the spacebar after them. Like an autocorrect.

RainMaker 04-10-2018 03:42 PM

The Facebook hearing is pretty embarrassing. Most of these people don't understand the basics of the internet let alone what Facebook actually does.

Coffee Warlord 04-10-2018 03:44 PM

Most of these guys are just reading verbatim from whatever their lackeys wrote for them. They don't understand what they're even saying.

miami_fan 04-10-2018 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 3201588)
The Facebook hearing is pretty embarrassing. Most of these people don't understand the basics of the internet let alone what Facebook actually does.


More or less embarrassing than the steroid hearings?

Edward64 04-10-2018 04:51 PM

Too bad Trump nor Obama gets to go to the wedding.

I think if they invited Obama only, the majority of us would understand it wasn't an insult to the US but a preference not to be with a dick.

Edward64 04-10-2018 05:00 PM

I would assume Trump really can't directly fire Mueller and that the courts will back that up eventually.

However, the immediate following such a hypothetical declaration will be very entertaining. :popcorn:

https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/10/polit...fbi/index.html
Quote:

Less than 24 hours removed from Donald Trump musing that "many people" have told him he should fire special counsel Robert Mueller, Sarah Sanders made clear that that the White House has researched such a move and believes Trump has the ability to do it.

"He certainly believes he has the power to do so," the White House press secretary said of the President's ability to fire Mueller. "We've been advised that the President certainly has the power to make that decision."

That. Is. A. Big. Deal.

Think about what Sanders is saying here. She is saying that that White House has sought out guidance as to whether Trump can fire the special counsel. And concluded that he can.

JPhillips 04-10-2018 05:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Edward64 (Post 3201592)
Too bad Trump nor Obama gets to go to the wedding.

I think if they invited Obama only, the majority of us would understand it wasn't an insult to the US but a preference not to be with a dick.


But Trump is still the president and can do a lot of damage to the UK, so best not to piss him off.

PilotMan 04-10-2018 06:10 PM

What happens if Trump fires Rosenstien, fires Sessions, appoints someone who fires Mueller, then the Republicans totally cowtow to him and let him get away with it? The whole thing buckles under and falls apart and Trump just solidifies his entire stance/power/influence? What then?

jeff061 04-10-2018 06:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PilotMan (Post 3201595)
What happens if Trump fires Rosenstien, fires Sessions, appoints someone who fires Mueller, then the Republicans totally cowtow to him and let him get away with it? The whole thing buckles under and falls apart and Trump just solidifies his entire stance/power/influence? What then?


Which was apparently his plan for Pruitt and why he keeps backing him.

BBT 04-10-2018 06:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PilotMan (Post 3201595)
What happens if Trump fires Rosenstien, fires Sessions, appoints someone who fires Mueller, then the Republicans totally cowtow to him and let him get away with it? The whole thing buckles under and falls apart and Trump just solidifies his entire stance/power/influence? What then?


The Democrats dominate the midterms, take over both chambers, open their own investigations and shackle Trump as much as possible?

Brian Swartz 04-10-2018 06:42 PM

If not outright impeach him. The whole consolidating his power thing only works so long as he has a reasonably friendly Congress. If Congress is controlled by the Democrats, it wouldn't take a huge amount of Republican defections to simply get rid of him(depending on the magnitude of the majority) and at the very least they'd be able to keep him from getting much done.

PilotMan 04-10-2018 06:54 PM

I keep thinking Trump is gonna go all Palpatine and dissolve the parts of government he doesn't like, then declare "elections" for new terms he sets, like Russia.

I know better of course, that things would hold up better than that, but I can't help but think that based on his behavior in office.

Thomkal 04-10-2018 07:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Edward64 (Post 3201592)
Too bad Trump nor Obama gets to go to the wedding.

I think if they invited Obama only, the majority of us would understand it wasn't an insult to the US but a preference not to be with a dick.


yeah they invited no political leaders, including their own prime minister.

bronconick 04-10-2018 07:42 PM

Supposedly, people have to resign instead of being fired to be able to slide Senate approved Cabinet members without another vote, which is why there was a kerfuffle over the VA director.

Sounds pretty vague, so there would be lawsuits up the wazoo fighting over the newest Saturday Night Massacre

Thomkal 04-10-2018 07:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PilotMan (Post 3201595)
What happens if Trump fires Rosenstien, fires Sessions, appoints someone who fires Mueller, then the Republicans totally cowtow to him and let him get away with it? The whole thing buckles under and falls apart and Trump just solidifies his entire stance/power/influence? What then?


Funny you should say that:

https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/10/polit...ler/index.html

And according to the NY Times, threatened to fire Mueller in December:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/10/u...-december.html

SackAttack 04-10-2018 11:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian Swartz (Post 3201598)
If not outright impeach him. The whole consolidating his power thing only works so long as he has a reasonably friendly Congress. If Congress is controlled by the Democrats, it wouldn't take a huge amount of Republican defections to simply get rid of him(depending on the magnitude of the majority) and at the very least they'd be able to keep him from getting much done.


They can impeach him, but it won't mean a damn thing without a 2/3 majority in the Senate. They won't get that.

And I'm infinitely more likely to have a threesome with Hayley Atwell and Jennifer Lawrence than Senate Republicans are to vote to remove Trump from office, no matter what "high crime(s) and misdemeanor(s)" he's charged with, or how rock-solid the evidence.

And Trump ain't the sort to be embarrassed or chastised, so even if he were impeached by the House, he'd just keep on Trumping on.

Best the Democrats can hope for from the midterms is to take either the House or the Senate to stymie Trump's agenda and try to take back some state houses and governorships around the country in 2018 (and hold ONTO them in 2020) for redistricting purposes.

That's the pipe dream. That's the "if everything breaks exactly right" goal.

Impeachment isn't even a fart in a tropical breeze by comparison.

Brian Swartz 04-10-2018 11:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SackAttack
I'm infinitely more likely to have a threesome with Hayley Atwell and Jennifer Lawrence than Senate Republicans are to vote to remove Trump from office, no matter what "high crime(s) and misdemeanor(s)" he's charged with, or how rock-solid the evidence.


That depends on how much public opinion turns against Trump. He's doing a few points better on that than he was last summer and fall, but if the electorate were to turn against him hard, the Senate would do it to save their political necks. Given the degree to which he's increasingly not listening to his own staff, for better or worse, I don't think it's at all out of the question. If Mueller comes up with anything particularly big/juicy, which is looking increasingly likely, things could change in a right big hurry.

SackAttack 04-11-2018 01:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian Swartz (Post 3201608)
That depends on how much public opinion turns against Trump. He's doing a few points better on that than he was last summer and fall, but if the electorate were to turn against him hard, the Senate would do it to save their political necks. Given the degree to which he's increasingly not listening to his own staff, for better or worse, I don't think it's at all out of the question. If Mueller comes up with anything particularly big/juicy, which is looking increasingly likely, things could change in a right big hurry.


If Trump's base turns severely against him, maybe.

But here's the thing:

1) If Trump's base hangs with him, any Republicans who cross the aisle to vote to convict, Trump and his supporters WILL target for electoral revenge.

2) Unless a given Senator has political ambitions beyond the Senate, they probably aren't going to take that risk. Tom Cotton voting to convict would probably mean the end of his Senate career, but might give him a platform as a national candidate. I don't think he's a likely candidate to vote to convict, but he's young and ambitious. That's the template.

3) Impeachment, as a concept, is probably irretrievably political in the aftermath of Ken Starr and Bill Clinton. Every President since has either had noises made by members of the opposing party about how they should be impeached, or had members of their own party run on OH NOES DA UDDER SIDE WILL IMPEACH ARE PRESI..PRESI...LEADER GUY ONLY YOU CAN PREVENT THAT in challenging electoral climates.

Once you condition the base to respond that way to accusations of wrongdoing by the other side, it's really hard to get the base of the party currently holding the White House to take impeachment threats seriously.
It's going to get viewed as political (because for the last 20 years, it has been), and so whoever's President would have to seriously piss off their base to give their party's Senators cover to vote to convict.

I mean, I think this is especially true of Donald "I could commit murder in broad daylight and my base would cheer me on" Trump, but I'm under no illusions that the Democratic base would behave any differently.

The other thing, too, is that Trump's spent the last 2+ years conditioning his base to believe that anything mass media reports is "Fake News! Sad!" I mean, there was already conservative distrust of the free press in the 15-20 years Before Trump, but he's cranked that up to 11.

So let's say Mueller sends the Senate a recommendation with something super juicy. Trump is just going to continue to assault Mueller's integrity and complain about how this is all a witch hunt and don't believe anything the media's reporting about what Mueller found because it's all #FakeNews.

And his base will lap that up.

So that's the box Republicans are in. They can't vote to convict in the next seven months to save their majorities, because the base is vanishingly unlikely to turn on Trump to that degree, and the rest of the country will view it as a cynical political play.

If they lose the House, but keep the Senate, Democrats aren't going to send articles of impeachment to the Senate that they know will never be acted upon.

If Republicans lose the Senate but keep the House (and that's less likely than the reverse), they're gonna view sending articles of impeachment to the Senate as handing Democrats a win.

If Democrats somehow win BOTH houses, they aren't going to have the margin to do jack shit without Republican support, and I expect the Senate GOP response to be something like 'if Mueller delivers an impeachable offense, Democrats are going to spin that into grounds to remove Trump as well and that would mean President Pelosi (or whoever) fuck that.' Even if they don't explicitly say that, they're going to recognize that they spent two years giving Trump cover at every turn and doing what they could to protect him, and that turning on him after they've lost the majority isn't going to earn them any brownie points with the public.

Trump isn't getting impeached, let alone removed.

Thomkal 04-11-2018 06:21 AM

So the usual Trump tweets this morning-fake media, no collusion (but now no obstruction (other than fighting back)), he had a new message for Russia:

"Russia vows to shoot down any and all missiles fired at Syria. Get ready Russia, because they will be coming, nice and new and “smart!” You shouldn’t be partners with a Gas Killing Animal who kills his people and enjoys it!"

Thomkal 04-11-2018 07:52 AM

Paul Ryan not running for re-election.

BYU 14 04-11-2018 07:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thomkal (Post 3201615)
So the usual Trump tweets this morning-fake media, no collusion (but now no obstruction (other than fighting back)), he had a new message for Russia:

"Russia vows to shoot down any and all missiles fired at Syria. Get ready Russia, because they will be coming, nice and new and “smart!” You shouldn’t be partners with a Gas Killing Animal who kills his people and enjoys it!"


This is going to be an interesting day......I am sure Bolton will calm him down though, oh wait.

JPhillips 04-11-2018 07:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thomkal (Post 3201617)
Paul Ryan not running for re-election.


Gotta get that cash!!!

lungs 04-11-2018 08:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thomkal (Post 3201617)
Paul Ryan not running for re-election.


I bet he didn’t like what he saw in polling. Randy ‘The Iron Moustache’ Bryce was about to give him a credible challenge from the D side. I wonder if the confirmed white supremacist Paul Nehlen, who got some minor traction against Paul Ryan in the Republican primary, will step up to face the Iron ‘Stache?

I’d put my money on the seat flipping blue.

JPhillips 04-11-2018 08:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lungs (Post 3201620)
I bet he didn’t like what he saw in polling. Randy ‘The Iron Moustache’ Bryce was about to give him a credible challenge from the D side. I wonder if the confirmed white supremacist Paul Nehlen, who got some minor traction against Paul Ryan in the Republican primary, will step up to face the Iron ‘Stache?

I’d put my money on the seat flipping blue.


Even if he won it looks like he'd be in the minority, and that's no fun. Now's the time to turn that tax cut into a trust fund.

BBT 04-11-2018 09:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thomkal (Post 3201615)
So the usual Trump tweets this morning-fake media, no collusion (but now no obstruction (other than fighting back)), he had a new message for Russia:

"Russia vows to shoot down any and all missiles fired at Syria. Get ready Russia, because they will be coming, nice and new and “smart!” You shouldn’t be partners with a Gas Killing Animal who kills his people and enjoys it!"









So...did the Democrats force Russia to partner with a "Gas Killing Animal who kills people and enjoys it?"

bronconick 04-11-2018 09:27 AM

Going a little further back into GOP Speakers: Paul Ryan's retiring. John Boehner's hawking marijuana. Dennis Hastert's in a halfway house after being released from federal prison for charges related to sex crimes, and Newt Gimgrich is at the Vatican as his 3rd wife's + 1. 🙈🙉🙊 https://t.co/RV3G1zeVpr

- Ana Navarro (@ananavarro) April 11, 2018

mckerney 04-11-2018 09:55 AM



So did he just admit to obstructing justice?

Atocep 04-11-2018 10:17 AM


Thomkal 04-11-2018 10:20 AM

Ryan not exactly getting praise for his career:

"Paul Ryan" - Twitter Search

Thomkal 04-11-2018 10:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mckerney (Post 3201629)


So did he just admit to obstructing justice?


Yes that is what I wondered when I saw the tweet. Legal minds will have to weigh in on it.

cartman 04-11-2018 10:40 AM

There's always a tweet



mckerney 04-11-2018 10:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thomkal (Post 3201631)
Ryan not exactly getting praise for his career:

"Paul Ryan" - Twitter Search





Quote:

Originally Posted by cartman (Post 3201633)
There's always a tweet




Expecting this one to be relevant this weekend.




BBT 04-11-2018 11:06 AM

Inside the Decade-Long Russian Campaign to Infiltrate the NRA and Help Elect Trump
Femme fatales, lavish Moscow parties and dark money – how Russia worked the National Rifle Association
https://www.rollingstone.com/politic...-trump-w518587

Quote:

As part of Putin's "active measures," Hall says, Russia has attempted to influence right-wing and populist factions abroad, preaching unity around social conservatism: "'We're both religious-based countries – we have the Orthodox Church that's a big deal for us.' " The Russians, Hall believes, "made a natural transition in the United States to the NRA"; over time Putin became determined to exploit the American gun lobby "and decided Mr. Torshin is going to be the guy to do it for him."


Quote:

Right to Bear Arms' international outreach extended to John Bolton, the former U.N. ambassador and longtime NRA activist, who now serves as President Trump's national security adviser. In late 2013, a video appeared online of Bolton delivering an address to Right to Bear Arms, as the group was pursuing a gun-rights amendment to the Russian constitution. (That campaign – like much of Right to Bear Arms' political agenda – has foundered.) Through his bushy mustache, Bolton praised Putin's autocratic country as a "force for democracy in the world," and encouraged the Russian activists. "Good luck on your journey," he said, "into a new century of freedom."

Quote:

The Russians also rubbed elbows with Scott Walker, then a viable candidate, and the beneficiary of more than $3.5 million from the NRA over his career. Walker charmed Butina when they first met, she blogged, greeting her in Russian. "We talked about Russia," she wrote. "I did not hear any aggression towards our country, the president or my compatriots." Two months later, Butina traveled to Waukesha, Wisconsin, to attend Walker's official presidential launch.

Thomkal 04-11-2018 04:03 PM

Trump warned about the missile attack on Syria-before a strategy had been decided:

https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/11/polit...ets/index.html

mckerney 04-11-2018 04:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thomkal (Post 3201647)
Trump warned about the missile attack on Syria-before a strategy had been decided:

https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/11/polit...ets/index.html




cartman 04-11-2018 05:16 PM

Don't see how he survives this politcally

Woman: Sexual encounter with Greitens was not consensual. Lawmakers find her credible | The Kansas City Star

RainMaker 04-11-2018 06:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cartman (Post 3201654)


The article doesn't even do the testimony justice. That guy is a sick man.

Thomkal 04-11-2018 07:24 PM

yeah no way he survives this. But then Donald Trump survived the Access Hollywood tape, so who knows?

Makes you wonder if he was doing stuff like this to his wife too.

Edward64 04-11-2018 07:30 PM

I don't know why Mueller is interested in the Access Hollywood incident and don't see how this can hurt Trump?

Unless its to find more dirt on Cohen and have him flip? But if I was Cohen, I would think if there is one person that Trump would pardon if he kept his mouth shut, it would be Cohen.

digamma 04-11-2018 08:45 PM

Where has it been reported that Mueller is interested in those tapes? The SDNY issued the subpoena.

miami_fan 04-11-2018 09:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thomkal (Post 3201666)
yeah no way he survives this. But then Donald Trump survived the Access Hollywood tape, so who knows?


This, this 1000 times THIS!

Edward64 04-11-2018 10:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by digamma (Post 3201673)
Where has it been reported that Mueller is interested in those tapes? The SDNY issued the subpoena.


You are right, I assumed.

Quote:

It is not clear how the F.B.I. entered Mr. Cohen’s office, but agents had a search warrant and typically would have presented it to office personnel to be let in. The documents identified in the warrant date back years, according to a person briefed on the search.

The prosecutors obtained the search warrant after receiving a referral from the special counsel in the Russia investigation, Robert S. Mueller III, according to Mr. Cohen’s lawyer, who called the search “completely inappropriate and unnecessary.” The search does not appear to be directly related to Mr. Mueller’s investigation, but most likely resulted from information that he had uncovered and gave to prosecutors in New York.


Maple Leafs 04-12-2018 07:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Edward64 (Post 3201667)
Unless its to find more dirt on Cohen and have him flip? But if I was Cohen, I would think if there is one person that Trump would pardon if he kept his mouth shut, it would be Cohen.

I strongly suspect you're right, but can you imagine what it would feel like to be literally wagering your freedom on Trump's loyalty?

Imagine sitting up at night thinking "I will go to jail for a long time and lose everything I have if this guy changes his mind, or gets distracted by something else, or decides to throw me under the bus, or is having a cranky day, or somebody on the TV tells him not to help me." Good luck to these guys who have to take that risk.

Thomkal 04-12-2018 09:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Edward64 (Post 3201667)
I don't know why Mueller is interested in the Access Hollywood incident and don't see how this can hurt Trump?

Unless its to find more dirt on Cohen and have him flip? But if I was Cohen, I would think if there is one person that Trump would pardon if he kept his mouth shut, it would be Cohen.


Trump's name is mentioned in the warrants several times, so not just Cohen they were interested in:

Michael Cohen search warrant documents mentioned Trump by name - CBS News

mckerney 04-12-2018 10:06 AM

Exclusive: Inside the GOP plan to discredit Comey

Quote:

President Donald Trump's allies are preparing an extensive campaign to fight back against James Comey's publicity tour, trying to undermine the credibility of the former FBI director by reviving the blistering Democratic criticism of him before he was fired nearly a year ago.

The battle plan against Comey, obtained by CNN, calls for branding the nation's former top law enforcement official as "Lyin' Comey" through a website, digital advertising and talking points to be sent to Republicans across the country before his memoir is released next week. The White House signed off on the plan, which is being overseen by the Republican National Committee.



RainMaker 04-12-2018 12:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thomkal (Post 3201666)
yeah no way he survives this. But then Donald Trump survived the Access Hollywood tape, so who knows?

Makes you wonder if he was doing stuff like this to his wife too.


This is much worse than Trump's stuff.

whomario 04-12-2018 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mckerney (Post 3201691)
Exclusive: Inside the GOP plan to discredit Comey





I know this whole thing is not really her fault, but i still wish a reporter would quote her that in one of her briefings ...

Thomkal 04-12-2018 03:48 PM

Former doorman at Trump Tower comes forward with a story about how the owners of the National Enquirer had a confidentiality agreement with him. It was leaked to the press and had this statement about it:

Sonia Moghe‏Verified account @soniamoghe 52m52 minutes ago




The former TT doorman stands by his story of Trump’s alleged affair.



Thomkal 04-12-2018 03:48 PM

sorry for the size of the text there

Thomkal 04-12-2018 04:04 PM

does sound a bit doubtful the story is true from what I read here:

http://thehill.com/homenews/administ...keeper-because

tarcone 04-12-2018 04:22 PM

Greitens (MO Gov.) is in some hot water. The legislative committee investigating this situation came out and hammered him. Its a 25 page document and it is brutal.
Everyone in the state is calling for him to resign. He refuses to go. ANd denies everything.

I cannot see him surviving this. But in politics, you never know.

mckerney 04-12-2018 04:36 PM

Comey: Trump asked me to investigate ‘pee tape’ to reassure Melania

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President Trump wanted James Comey to investigate the infamous “pee tape” allegations — to reassure Melania that he hadn’t actually paid Russian hookers to urinate on a hotel bed, the former FBI chief claims in his upcoming book.

“He brought up what he called the ‘golden showers thing’ … adding that it bothered him if there was ‘even a one percent chance’ his wife, Melania, thought it was true,” Comey writes in “A Higher Loyalty: Truth, Lies, and Leadership,” a copy of which was obtained by The Post.

“He just rolled on, unprompted, explaining why it couldn’t possibly be true, ending by saying he was thinking of asking me to investigate the allegation to prove it was a lie. I said it was up to him.”

RainMaker 04-12-2018 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by tarcone (Post 3201707)
Greitens (MO Gov.) is in some hot water. The legislative committee investigating this situation came out and hammered him. Its a 25 page document and it is brutal.
Everyone in the state is calling for him to resign. He refuses to go. ANd denies everything.

I cannot see him surviving this. But in politics, you never know.


I mentioned earlier that I thought this was bad and his undoing. But just saw a poll showing he still has over 60% approval among his own party.

Maybe it's just different times where everything is political. You have to take opposing sides on everything. And apparently being pro-rape is a stance a party will take in this country.

Atocep 04-12-2018 05:07 PM

This tweet has to be a new low for the U.S. Presidency.



Edward64 04-12-2018 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by whomario (Post 3201702)
I know this whole thing is not really her fault, but i still wish a reporter would quote her that in one of her briefings ...


TBH, I kinda like what she has done in a tough situation, especially considering what she inherited from Spicer.

I hope she stays out a year, leave for more money and less headaches.

I do think if she stays for the duration, she'll be forever implicated with Trump. However, if she leaves after a year, I would see that as a smart move for career advancement.

Edward64 04-12-2018 05:29 PM

Good to see Kudlow may be having an effect. Don't think TPP was the perfect deal but it was going to strategically help the US and blunt China in our economic war so I'm all for doing something vs nothing.

Trump flirts with re-entering massive trade pact - POLITICO
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President Donald Trump mollified some of his most ardent trade critics on Thursday, opening up the door to re-engaging in a massive trade deal he campaigned against and reassuring them that a NAFTA renegotiation is on track.

After alarming free-trade Republicans with threats to levy tariffs on up to $150 billion in Chinese imports, Trump has reached a temporary truce with them. He told a group of farm-state senators, governors and House members that he directed economic adviser Larry Kudlow and U.S. Trade Representative Robert Lighthizer to examine whether re-entering the Trans-Pacific Partnership trade pact makes sense, a strong signal that he’s heard their concerns.

“He got it really loudly and clearly today from a lot of us,” said Sen. John Thune of South Dakota, a member of Republican leadership, after the meeting at the White House on Thursday. “If you want to send a message to China, the best way to do that is to start doing business with their competitors. So he was very open to it.”

Thomkal 04-12-2018 07:14 PM

So got this message today on Facebook on the heels of Zuckerberg's testimony this week:

Protecting Your Information

We understand the importance of keeping your data safe.
We have banned the app "This Is Your Digital Life," which one of your friends used Facebook to log into. We did this because the app may have misused some of your Facebook information by sharing it with a company called Cambridge Analytica. In most cases, the information was limited to public profile, Page likes, birthday, and current city.
You can learn more about what happened and how you can remove apps and websites anytime if you no longer want them to have access to your Facebook information.
There is more work to do, but we are committed to confronting abuse and to putting you in control of your privacy.

Thomkal 04-12-2018 07:17 PM

http://thehill.com/homenews/administ...-recordings-of

jct32 04-12-2018 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Thomkal (Post 3201724)
So got this message today on Facebook on the heels of Zuckerberg's testimony this week:

Protecting Your Information

We understand the importance of keeping your data safe.
We have banned the app "This Is Your Digital Life," which one of your friends used Facebook to log into. We did this because the app may have misused some of your Facebook information by sharing it with a company called Cambridge Analytica. In most cases, the information was limited to public profile, Page likes, birthday, and current city.
You can learn more about what happened and how you can remove apps and websites anytime if you no longer want them to have access to your Facebook information.
There is more work to do, but we are committed to confronting abuse and to putting you in control of your privacy.


They were supposed to start rolling that out on Monday for everyone even if they weren't affected. Still haven't got my notification yet. However, I don't use Facebook much and I knew to stay away from apps and games on Facebook.

JPhillips 04-12-2018 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Thomkal (Post 3201725)


Did Cohen learn nothing from Nixon? Even Stringer Bell knew you don't make records of a criminal fucking conspiracy.

RainMaker 04-12-2018 08:47 PM

Looks like Scooter Libby is getting a full pardon. Party of law and order LOL
President Trump poised to pardon Scooter Libby, Dick Cheney's former chief of staff, sources say - ABC News

Thomkal 04-12-2018 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 3201734)
Looks like Scooter Libby is getting a full pardon. Party of law and order LOL
President Trump poised to pardon Scooter Libby, Dick Cheney's former chief of staff, sources say - ABC News


Ah his almost lawyers have been urging a pardon for Libby. Guess that was a thank you anyway gift to them.

Thomkal 04-12-2018 10:24 PM

He just cannot let his feud with Amazon slip away:

http://thehill.com/homenews/administ...postal-service

Thomkal 04-12-2018 10:30 PM

RNC shows their version of the Comey book cover:

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefi...ith-ego-attack

kingfc22 04-12-2018 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Thomkal (Post 3201745)
He just cannot let his feud with Amazon slip away:

http://thehill.com/homenews/administ...postal-service


Maybe he can bring back the pony express or smoke signals while he’s at it.

RainMaker 04-12-2018 11:39 PM

I'd say it would be funny if Amazon just said fuck it, we won't use the postal service anymore. But a bunch of people working for the postal service would be out of jobs.

PilotMan 04-13-2018 06:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Thomkal (Post 3201745)
He just cannot let his feud with Amazon slip away:

http://thehill.com/homenews/administ...postal-service


The funny thing is that this sounds like something a Democrat would do. Explore issues relatedto monopolies, interfere with Capitalism tooithe extent that it benefits the greater good, etc. If Obama tried anything like this the right would have birthed a literal cow, and painted Obama with a hammer and sickle.

RainMaker 04-13-2018 12:50 PM





Have to admit this tweet is funny on a day that he pardons Scooter Libby for leaking and lying.

BBT 04-13-2018 12:56 PM

Or that Trump basically describes himself

mckerney 04-13-2018 02:03 PM



mckerney 04-13-2018 04:08 PM



In other words, it isn't clear to Fox which member of Congress is Devin Nunes.

Thomkal 04-13-2018 07:45 PM

So remember all those denials that Michael Cohen made about never going to Prague in his life, let alone to meet with a Russian Oligarch during the 2016 campaign. You know the ones made in the Steele Dossier...

http://thehill.com/homenews/news/383...lection-report

JPhillips 04-13-2018 07:46 PM

The pee tape is real!

Thomkal 04-13-2018 07:59 PM

Looks like its about to happen in Syria:

http://thehill.com/homenews/administ...ation-on-syria

Ben E Lou 04-13-2018 08:24 PM

I have to admit that Trump struck the right tone and I’m pleased that we’re doing it with allies.

BBT 04-13-2018 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Ben E Lou (Post 3201802)
I have to admit that Trump struck the right tone and I’m pleased that we’re doing it with allies.


There are moments that Trump can seem quite presidential. If he was like that 75% of the time, he'd probably be a relatively popular president. However, he's only like that about 10% of the time at best.

Agreed that it's better that we're doing this with allies. Reports on the ground are that the Russians are helping to provide air defense and attempting to shoot down missiles.

cartman 04-13-2018 08:59 PM

Always a tweet



JPhillips 04-13-2018 09:37 PM

Missed the big news while watching the HBO Andre the Giant documentary.

tarcone 04-14-2018 07:20 AM

If Syria attacks Israeli, start praying. The end is coming.


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