I did the isidewith.com and landed on Doug Burgum & Joe Manchin

If Manchin runs I’ll vote for him because I believe in surveys & statistics which can help remove emotion

Biden was 3rd though so I’ll vote for Biden if Manchin doesn’t


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We know that most independents lean one way or the other. I think culturally the I'm a conservative not a Republican mindset is a lot more prevalent than Dem leaning independents.

Several studies have found that there are very few true well-informed independents. Almost all of them have a pretty strong lean.

There are more low-information/low-turnout voters that might come off as independent. The sort of people who get excited by a Reagan or an Obama but otherwise have better things to do than all of us weirdos in this thread :-)

isidewith.com has me at 47% with Joe Biden and 64% with Joe Exotic.

I know who I'm voting for!

75% Joe Exotic for me. (95% Cornel West, 85% Biden, 11% Trump). Biden was higher than I expected.

79% for Dean Phillips and Ryan Binkley (who?).
74% for Joe Manchin

I can see Manchin, don't know enough about Phillips.

Joe Exotic is 33%.

88% Biden
8% Trump

Is that site owned by a coal baron or something?

I got Cornell West at 91%, yet the issues I disagree with him are complete deal-breakers. I mean first of all he is a complete fruit-cake, but beyond that. Then there was Dean Phillips at 90%, who I probably did agree with until he became a stooge for the Republicans which again is a deal-breaker. Then there is Biden at 89%.

What I really was interested in was the ideologies. 89% for both Feminism and Saint-Simonianism (which I literally have never heard of), then 88% Environmentalism.

Biden tells crowd he recently met with Mitterrand, former French president who died in 1996 https://t.co/8ilvrhC4x4

— Andy Kaczynski (@KFILE) February 6, 2024

Yeah, well...

Trump: Things like supply change. You never heard that term pic.twitter.com/Cr0RU9z2F0

— Acyn (@Acyn) February 6, 2024

How about whoever scores highest on an MMSE gets to be President?

I don't like those sites because matching views does not necessarily make someone a better President. For example, if there was an exact clone of me, I would still pick Biden over that person 100% of the time.

The person who matches my own views the most exactly is myself, and I sure as hell would never vote for me, I'd be a really shitty president.

I've felt that way with real candidates who have popped up on those things. Saying out loud what your legislative policy position is doesn't really demonstrate much about your ability to be an effective president, or what kind of president you'll be.

Probably best if they keep him away from cameras till the election.

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— jeremy scahill (@jeremyscahill) February 6, 2024

The Ohio Supreme Court is hearing a case where Joe Deters was listed as the prosecutor and he's now on the court. He says he will not recuse.

The vote to impeach the Homeland Security secretary failed. Even the meaningless symbolic crap the GOP tries to do can't get through.

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I mean, no, that doesn't look good but I'd be lying if I said I haven't done that in meetings.

And the standalone Israel bill fails also.

Nice cluster

It is almost as if they bunch of things together so everyone gets something they want that could work!

Their ineptness is truly astounding.

There's a possibility that the bullshit hit job by Robert Hur ends up leading to a different Dem candidate who smokes Trump. If there's karma it's what the GOP hit machine deserves.

Please let thins happen.

I will vote Biden if it comes to it, but he isn't fit. Him refusing to appear for an interview at the superbowl was the last straw. You don't turn down free exposure like that without a very good reason.

What's the mechanism that could lead to that? Would he have to drop out?

Yes. I think he's the nominee if he's running as most of the delegates are pledged by vote. If he's out it makes the convention a free for all. Harris has to be the favorite, but a Dem governor could also slip in.

Still by far the most likely thing is Biden runs, but this hit job is going to do a lot of real damage.

I really don't understand the idea that there's any realistic idea of Biden getting replaced at this point. That's something that just doesn't happen. For better or worse, he's the candidate unless he is tragically dead or close to it.


Totally agree, but it's what people tend to vote on when it isn't an automatic party support vote. Every time the question comes up around here 'what if so-and-so ran for president' and it's someone of good character/judgement but who disagrees on policy, it's almost always 'I'd never vote for anyone who supports issue X'.

I remember back in my younger years watching some of the Bush-Dukakis stuff, and the media decrying the negativity of the campaign while also ignoring the various policy positions the candidates were putting out. Which isn't exactly the same thing you're talking about, but it's related; there's what people say they care about, and what they actually vote on. Party affiliation and more broadly policy issues are what most people actually vote on when they haven't fixated on a candidate for unusual personal reasons (Obama, Trump, etc).

:+1:

Sounds like he's more or less dead upstairs. Not terribly surprising if you've heard him speak over the past year.

Great job, Joe.

Somehow, also spread more of the wealth to friendlier, developing countries.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/...d-us-107034221

The media is making all the same choices as in 2016. Look at the banner headlines at the top of CNN.

What is it you want them to say? It's a pretty damning report. The President being mentally unsound and committing crimes is going to get covered by the news.

This feels like a big moment.

Biden to make previously unscheduled remarks at 7:45 p.m., White House says. No topic listed.

— Peter Baker (@peterbakernyt) February 9, 2024

I suspect he is going to highlight the difference between his docs case and Trumps.

If you're expecting an announcement suspending the campaign I think youre mistaken

The reaction will be predictable. The right will say he is a bumbling fool and cherry pick sound bites and the left will say dark Brandon came out swinging.

well that didn't take long...

and him forgetting the name of the church while talking about his dead son is the bumbling sound bite

him continuing to blame his staff is a bad look.

president of mexico......that's going to kill him

Did he hire Desantis campaign staffers? Who the fuck thought this was a good idea?

The President of Mexico, Sisi. Dude is cooked and this is bordering on elder abuse.

Even CNN is skewering him about it.

If Dems cared at all about winning, they'd get Mark Kelly on every national media appearance they can and then have Biden say he won't run and elect Kelly at the convention. Pitch it as this American hero stepping up in a time of crisis to take on Trump. That's the only chance they have although it sure fucking feels like they want to lose.

Trump has a thousand scandals, but saying that sounds unfair, so they let him off the hook. There's no way to compare any scandal with Trump and Biden and not see Trump is several orders of magnitude worse.

Orange man bad isn't winning this cycle like it did in 2020. At this point Biden will be lucky to win 1 of the 6-7 swing states he needs.

He's a disaster and it isn't going to get better.

Panic setting in around this place like 2020 Election Day. Pace yourselves, it's only February.

The problem is Biden isn't getting any younger

I don't want Trump to be President either and think he should pay for his crimes too. You can in fact think with men are criminals and unfit for office.

Biden's not a criminal and saying so is absolutely ridiculous.

Every single one of us would be spending a decade behind bars if we were that careless with classified materials.

Also being a war criminal is a criminal too.

Does anyone really think Inauguration day 2029 Biden will be even remotely cognitively sound?

Not to his base. The thing is, his base loves it and gets off on it, Biden's base actually cares about governance and would seemingly let Trump win because Biden is not perfectly what they want.

lol No.

Biden, Pence, and others have the same issue, they had documents they shouldn't have. But when asked to return them they did. None of them went to jail.

Well, any one of us would be in jail because the only way we could have the documents would be considered espionage. We didn't have a security officer hand them to us as a part of our job. That is not the case for Biden or Pence.

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Democrats, notoriously known for caring about governance.

Definition of a crime. This country only prosecutes lower level employees for this crime though. Not the rich and powerful.

And regardless if you think the laws should apply to powerful people or not, the bigger issue is the guy doesn't have the mental capacity for the job. We're going on a daily basis of him forgetting things, mumbling, or just mixing things up. Not the guy you want in charge as he continues to enter us into more wars (proxy or not).

Horseshit. Watch his presser from yesterday and it's clear he's very informed and mentally alert.

I wish the Dem nominee was younger, but the choice is Biden or Trump and there's no measure where Trump isn't worse.

I do forget names and words sometimes. Yeah, that's normal part of aging and that's life.

But when that happens, I recognize that I'm struggling to recall and accommodate in some other way (e.g. instead of using the word, use a phrase/description).

Joe doesn't seem to realize he's struggling and just goes on.

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Yup, I believe below is the truth.

What he's done as President means nothing re: accusation of his memory. He has a bunch of people to help and guide him.


Personally, if it's between Joe & Trump, I'd still take Joe because I trust his "support group" more than Trump and his. But yeah, if Trump wasn't in the picture, I'd lean towards someone else.

He needs to present & perform well in the debates (if they happen).

Couple thoughts:

1. Dems wanting to replace Biden with a "more popular" candidate are ignoring the fact that once someone becomes the nominee, they get attacked and lose popularity. Ride or die with Biden.

2. This is a bad report that attacks his biggest weakness. No way around that. He's lucky it came out in February and not October.

I'll vote Biden over Trump every time, but he is not mentally alert and he is getting worse.

He forgot the name of the church his sons funeral was at then confused Mexico and Egypt. Every time he speaks he has these gaffes. They aren't taking the free publicity of doing a super bowl interview. There is no way 5 years from now he is even remotely fit to still be serving.

His arrogance and refusal to step aside is going to get Trump reelected.

On predict it Trump is at .47 and Biden .40. Biden is down .03. Newsome is up to .10

I'm glad to read they've started thinking about the "risk log" and all the possible bad things that could happen. Need to come up with contingency/mitigation plans.

Biden officials confront limits of federal response in exercise preparing for 2024 election threats | CNN Politics

Whatever they come up with, it needs to become public. There needs to be transparency so we all understand the "process" of how stuff will be identified and handled.

I swear, am I the only one who ever has words escape him? I was at the doctor's Wednesday and I totally forgot the word "hernia." Just couldn't find it, and once you know you can't find a word it just makes it worse ("shit, I can't find the word, I gotta find the word or I'm going to look like an idiot -- crap, now I'm worried about it AND IT ISN'T HELPING")

Newsome's got a friendly donor throwing money at this for publicity. There's no way a white guy liberal from California somehow sneaks into the nomination without winning any primaries.

There's a very narrow path for someone other than Biden or Harris, but it doesn't include Newsome.

Of course not but you also don't have the nuclear codes.

His cognitive decline isn't nearly as bad as the right wing media makes it out to be, but it is undeniable there is decline and that isn't something that's going to improve.

Happens to me a lot too.

I can't remember names at all. To a point I fear I might be showing signs of early onset dementia.

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I really hope they do some ancestry stuff, there's got to be a common ancestor.

US Senator Chris Coons finds doppelganger in German Chancellor Olaf Scholz

I mean, it happens at the weirdest times on the most basic of things. Like..."what't that bird, you know the one that's blue and green, has the feathers with the eye things..." "Oh, you mean a peacock?" That one has escaped me MORE THAN ONCE.

Or, watching Jeopardy!. Really famous actor/actress? Know exactly who is being talked about...vape on the name. Obscure fact about the 17th century? INSTAGET. So it's not nearly everything, or even most things. Just every now and then, "yeah, sorry we have a bad pointer to this byte/sector, give us a minute, we'll get there...eventually."

Yeah, I'm bad with names. And sometimes on Jeopardy they'll show someone famous who I know well and it's just "oh, for god's sake, I know this!"

Also re: nuclear codes -- I mean it's not like you have to memorize the codes, right?

True but what if he means to say nuke Russia and instead says nuke Romania!

I think you're joking, but they have a lot of safeguards in place for that. Nobody gets nuked without being absolutely sure it's what you want to do.

:banghead:

I suddenly have the urge to watch Dr. Strangelove

He had an impromptu press conference to tell us his memory was good and proceeded to mix up Egypt and Mexico. This after a week of mixing up leaders in major European countries.

Like I get if you'd prefer him over Trump at all costs. But you've got to face reality that his mind is shot and there is no way he's finishing out that second term.

I don't believe for a second he was ever intended to finish out the first term, much less a second one.

Then they realized Plan B was even more out of it .. why they haven't found a different VP candidate for this round (which, hey, it ain't too late I guess) is a mystery

He didn't mix up two countries he said the word name. You can't watch his presser and think his mind is shot.

As for dumping Harris, how exactly do you do that and retain the black vote?

because if you kick a black woman off the ticket you lose a shit ton of votes

Not if you replace her with another (or some other double minority, whatever they have on the bench)

You have very little understanding of Dem coalitions if you think you can just replace one woman of color with another and have the voters all step into line.

And that's even before the woman replaced starts talking about what really happened behind closed doors.

No one gives a shit about Kamala Harris.

He insinuated during the last campaign that he'd only serve one term and be a "bridge" President.

Democrats have had 4 years to prop up other candidates and didn't. Part of me wonders if they'd be happier losing and in the minority. A lot less pressure and fundraising off Trump is probably easier. Or they could just be incredibly dumb and bad at politics which is sort of their thing.

Yes I can. I can also watch the other pressers where he's mumbling and stumbling all over himself. Or the reports of him mixing up the names of leaders. Or the report that said he doesn't remember when he was Vice President or when his son died.

I think some of the dementia stuff early in his term was overblown, but he's shown some considerable cognitive declines of late. Just watch videos of him from 4-5 years ago and compare it to today. It's staggering. And imagine another 4 years of cognitive decline.

And I don't know how you dump Kamala Harris. Probably shouldn't have put an incredibly unpopular person with negative charisma as your running mate the first time around. The chickens are coming home to roost. They're likely fucked this election. I guess they can just blame Russia again or something.

The "test".

Joe should take it in secret. If good, publicize it. If bad, keep on denying it. My guess is he may pass but it won't be "good".

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Again, you insinuate that there's another option. There's not. The choice is Trump or Biden.

They had 4 years to find someone else and didn't. So now you're stuck pretending this is normal behavior as everyone with functioning eyes and ears roll their eyes.

I don't even blame Biden. The 80s are not kind to most people. But this was expected.

I'll vote for Biden dead corpse over any Republican. He'll do a better job regardless if he's breathing or not.

Name me the last time a party did this. You're asking dozens of Democratic politicians to not only subvert their own ambitions, but do so in the pursuit of undermining their newly-elected POTUS. You're not being realistic, as usual.


There's literally more precedent for a party allowing a POTUS in skeptical health to run for his second term (Reagan & FDR, at least) than there is for what you're suggesting.

Again, you insinuate there was another option. There was not.

At least be honest, RM, you want the Democrats to get annhiliated at this election so you can say "I told you so" and tell us all how electing Bernie would have been better.

I genuinely don't care who wins. Both options are pretty bad for the country.

Bernie could never win a general election. Heck, he can't even get half of Democrats to vote for him. Talk about an unmitigated disaster of a candidate.

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Meanwhile Trump said that he's going to nationalize the guard and send red state guards into blue cities on day one to start deportations.

And if that's not enough, he said he wouldn't fight for NATO allies and would instead encourage Russia to do whatever the hell they wanted.

Michelle will save the Dems!

Anyone who seriously believes that is an idiot. Ill bet whatever you like that Michelle won't be the nominee.

Don't care about Russia or what they do. Has no impact in my life or yours. The current strategy of lighting money on fire in Ukraine hasn't done anything but put us deeper in debt.

Biden is also pushing an incredibly far right immigration bill that mirrors what Trump wants to do. Going to have to pick a different policy to differentiate the two.

Just go full Trump, man. It's obvious this is where you're heading.

Looks like Biden has had a helluva 10+ days since I've been out of the country. Yeesh.

Politics isn't binary and I can't help that I don't support the primary positions of both options. You don't have to "pick a team" and support them to the ends of the earth.

I guess if Trump wins, we'll be on the same side politically since it'll be someone with an R next to the name doing the stuff.

The choice of whether to have Biden be the nominee again if he wanted to be was made when he was nominated in 2020, practically speaking. You don't just decide to pick someone else when you have an incumbent president of your party. We might all wish politics worked differently in various ways, but you have to deal with and make decisions based off the way it actually functions.

That's a nice, comfy, naive, privileged place to be. Congrats.

Michelle tried to talk Barack out of running for President. Not a chance in hell she'll ever get into running for a political office.