Hospitals rejecting transplant patient if they (and donor) do not get vaccinated. Video didn't play for me so not sure if I have the full context.

Overall, I'm okay with this. I can see the rationale because transplant kidney is valuable so give it to someone else who is willing to (1) trust science and (2) shows some responsibility for wanting to take care of him/herself.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/health/20...id-vaccine.cnn

One of my gaming friends is in the hospital right now recovering from Covid. He was a kidney transplant recipient a few years ago, and was encouraged to get a vaccine vut refused. Spent a week on a ventilator and is very lucky not to be dead.

Southwest Airlines with massive delays. Strong indication that it is a "sickout" by employees against the vaccine mandate.

So the workers finally discover they have power, and they use it for such a stupid reason.

dola:

Not sure when the firing date is for employees who aren't vaxxed.

If the Southwest people are like other MAGA, 99% of them will fold when forced to actually suffer a consequence for their position. But, like other MAGA, they are going to make life really annoying for everyone else before they do.

Airline workers are governed by the NRLB; they can only strike if it's approved (another republican gift), and any sort of coordinated "sick out" or anything that is even hinted at by the union can land union leadership in jail. So...the only thing they can do is just call in sick on their own. It's virtually nothing in terms of leverage.

Lots of polls/charts on whether parents will let kids be vaccinated. If I had a kid, I would probably fall under the maybe category for now. Don't need my kid to be an early adopter but probably in 3-4 months.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/childre...-opinion-poll/
(can't insert the poll for whatever reason but vaccinated & unvaccinated parents are 26-27% maybe for kids)

On reasons why not yet vaccinated

Eh, most of those reasons change when it's convenient. Fealty to Trump/party should be on the list of reasons as it is by far the most popular.

That poll has some completely fucked data.

There is a weird thing in this country where a business is run poorly and we blame everyone else but the business for it being poorly run.

Yeah - I think at this point we know that the vaccine hesitancy and Trump Venn diagrams are not perfectly a circle but they're not the far away either.

SI

My kid's getting the shot as soon as available. If this follows a pattern similar to last year (not guaranteed at all), we're going to go into a lull for the next month or two and then start climbing again.

There's increasing evidence about significant increases in a lot of long term effects in kids, in particular, type 1 diabetes.

SI

Same. My son is 16 months old and as soon as he can get the shot, we'll get in line.

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6.56 billion COVID vaccine shots have been given at this point, I'm definitely more concerned about anything I order at a restaurant than getting a shot. Hopefully I can get my Pfizer booster soon, a lot of people around me are now.

We got caught in the Southwest vortex on Sunday (had our San Fran - Phoenix flight cancelled). We switched to a monday flight (that also got cancelled) and settled on an American flight that got delayed from 2:15 to 6:30 (finally got home at 8:15 last night).

We talked with a bunch of people during this and here's what I can discern:

1. Southwest has been massively overbooking flights to staff and then consolidating/cancelling flights as they get closer to the date. As one guy said, imagine you have 12 flights from LAX to Phoenix. They only have the staff for 8 so they cut down to 8 flights and move people in the other four to those flights. In most cases, this means you go from leaving at 4 PM to leaving at 3:30 or 5:00 PM.
2. Some people (seems like in the southeast) called in sick over the weekend knowing it would screw the airline. Some say it's people that won't get Vaxed and want to use their sicktime before the mandated date (when they lose it if they are let go).
3. This weekend was an extremely busy weekend for fliers. Between fall break and Columbus day, a lot of people ended up flying.

So, if you add it all up, you had nearly all of the "overbooked" flights full, fewer people because of the sick call outs, your normal weather issues and a ton of people trying to fly. That equated a shit show for those of us traveling (esp using Southwest).

There should be regulations against airlines booking flights and cancelling them or moving them later without some sort of FAA approved delay. We got moved three times on a flight from JAX to LAG and none of them had anything to do with weather or mechanical problems.

From the news breaking that Kyrie won't play until vaccinated. He continues to show he's nothing more than a professional contrarian. And does he really think the anti-vaxxers and those against the mandates are the voiceless? They're loudest people in our society right now.

He's a fucking idiot

With all the other anti-science cuckoo beliefs Kyrie holds, we're really supposed to also believe he isn't anti-vax? I guess kudos to his publicity team for this story.

Australia started our vaccination program quite late - mainly because infection rates were quite low and it wasn't deemed as a pressing need. Progress was fairly slow until around June-July of this year when infections spiked in Sydney and lockdowns returned. Many of the vaccines were diverted to Sydney and its state of NSW (New South Wales). Lockdown measures are only now being relaxed in NSW primarily for those that are double-vaxxed - we have only used vaccines that required two doses. Much of the rest of the country has avoided outbreaks due to hard borders between certain states. Melbourne and its state of Victoria are now experiencing a major outbreak.

As a result of vaccine requirements needed for the easing of restrictions, NSW has achieved a rate of 90.8% of people over the age of 16 (children over the age of 12 are eligible) having received at least one dose and 75.2% receiving both doses.

Across Australia, the figures are 82.8% (1 dose) and 63.4% (2 doses).

We are expecting an uptick in cases but hopefully a reduction in cases requiring hospitalization.

Singapore has been spoken about as a model for us since its population (5.6M) is similar to NSW (8.1M). They achieved 80% double vaccination and reduced restrictions. Unfortunately they are seeing a rise in Covid deaths so we will see how it pans out for us.

See what happens when we ask for more than "It's a personal choice."?

I read about Singapore and thought maybe they had the Tier-2 vaccines like the Sino ones. They did use them early on but they are now on the Pfizer & Moderna.

Yeah, they are still struggling but wonder if they (and Australia) had unrealistic expectations. I think its inevitable that there will be elevated deaths ... the question is how much is okay. I don't know what is acceptable but this is the new normal.

It'll be an interesting "experiment" in Australia to see how well you guys handle this.

Can we somehow alter time so that I can see what Jordan would do if Pippen refused to be vaccinated?

Never really thought much about TSA but guess the 40% lines up with national average. I do hope the customer facing ones have been vaccinated and that policy has been in place for a while.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/13/polit...ine/index.html

TSA ain't exactly pulling from the top deck of the employment pool.

3 hour battle royale - Rogan vs Gupta

Nice write up. Have to look up if Rogan had his own post mortem.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/13/healt...nce/index.html

So my wife just read me a story about a 10 year old Texas kid who developed a rare condition after contracting Covid that restricted the ability of his heart to pump enough blood to support his extremities, resulting in him developing gangrene in his legs. Doctors told his mom that if they amputated his arms/legs, he had a 25% chance of survival, but no chance of survival if they didn't amputate. The mom decided to "let him go" rather than amputate.

Like... that's a choice?! That sounds like something you'd be given the option of regarding a pet, not a human. I'm not trying to downplay the quality of life issues a quadriplegic 10 year old would have growing up and living in that condition, but holy hell! I didn't realize that was even an option. I hope there is more to the story, because keeping your kid alive as an otherwise alert and functional human who just happens to not have limbs would certainly be preferable to letting him die. The mom apparently couched in "the most humane and compassionate thing for him" but I can't help but be a little judgmental here. Again, maybe there's more to the story but that just comes off as more of a "I don't want the burden of care" or "he won't be able to grow up as I imagined he would" decision.

Wonder if it's the same condition as this one in West Michigan

11-year-old with ‘uplifting spirit’ recovers from quadruple amputation due to COVID-19 linked syndrome - mlive.com

The in-game performance of professional soccer players who had a recent COVID-19 infection, drops by 6%.

Performance is still 5% lower 6 months later with notable negative spillovers on team performance.

Cool paper by @schmal_w & @jjreade:https://t.co/JY6bJaVryq pic.twitter.com/cHBQsxkbIO

— Florian Ederer (@florianederer) October 14, 2021

This times infinity. I'm with you all the way on this, and would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

There's got to be more to this story (e.g. maybe vegetative state). I don't see how this can be legal if otherwise.

I guess this is where we're at in some areas.

Florida School: Vaxxed Kids Must Stay Home for 30 Days After Each Dose

When the aliens eventually get here, I wonder what they'll think. Will it be "sigh, we've seen this play out on so many worlds with so many undeveloped civilizations" or "dear god, what was with these hu-mans".

SI

The school has a history of anti vax positions.

Parent speaks out after pulling child from Centner Academy

It's pants-shittingly stupid. But as a private school, they should pretty much be able to do what they want, IMO.

It's a bit off topic, but you're statement begs the question, since homeschooling is accepted and allowed, are you ok with parents teaching whatever they want? Even if it's nothing?

If they were truly a private school I'd agree. However, they took nearly a million dollars in covid funds and receive state funds through scholarships. They can go fuck themselves.

Yeah, our definition of "private school" seems to have changed a lot. Now it's just a school that relies on public funds but can do whatever they want to turn a profit.

Nick Rolovich worked his whole life to be head coach of a major program, even if it is Wazzou, and he just got let go because he refused to be vaccinated. Unreal.

Moving my comment from the CFB thread to here since it probably fits this thread a bit better.

As funny as it is that it's happening to Wazzu, it's probably the best thing that could have happened to them. Dude's a Q-Supporting weirdo.

Individual instances of people quitting jobs over vaccine mandates is going to get a lot of media attention b/c it is strong clickbait. (In fairness to this story, though, a D1 coach doing it is pretty newsworthy).

But don't let that attention obscure the fact that the mandates are working. People are getting the shot instead of getting fired.

Vaccine mandates are working, with vaccination rates topping 90% : NPR

We are talking 99%+ in some instances.

The vaccine protestors are the loudest. But most of us just want to go to work.

$3million per year!!!! Unreal is right.

I’m guessing he likely doesn’t embrace analytics

There's a lot of things much less helpful than a COVID vaccine I would inject for $3 million a year.

No kidding, what a fucking dumbass.

Lotta highly-paid coaches losing their jobs due to stupidity recently. Can Urban be far behind?

I think Urban *really* wants to go back to CFB where he can be a dictator and not have all these team owners telling him what he can and can't do.

But he's also not going to resign and lose that money.

A negotiated settlement with the Jags in the offseason seems like a win/win for everyone.

I wish everyone would just agree to a "No More Urban" pact.

Seems like a nice way to get out of a bad contract. Power 5 gigs don't grow on trees.

There's a lot of things I wouldn't do for $3 million. I think the allure of that money is overrated. People who are driven enough run a college football program are probably not doing it only for the money. What that job requires mandates a certain kind of person, and it's certainly clear that arrogance and stubbornness often go along for the ride. They may even be assets to a degree. Nothing about this surprises me.

They keep needing a stronger hit of anti-vax conspiracy. It's like a drug when the user develops a tolerance.

"They're putting eggs in people's bodies."

End Times conspiracy theorist Rick Wiles claims that COVID-19 vaccines contain "an egg that hatches into a synthetic parasite and grows inside your body." pic.twitter.com/mOUHaztXT0

— Right Wing Watch (@RightWingWatch) October 20, 2021

dola

This article from The Federalist.

"Corporately"?

SI

Corporately meaning public pronouncements/acknowledgements from churches, church leaders, etc.

Yeah, the church as a whole body.

Is it a Waldorf/Rudolf-Steiner School by any chance ?



There's a group of Schools based on a philosophy of doing stuff (lots of 'wholesome' teaching, everybody is an individual snowflake etc, based on a guy called Rudolf Steiner...) in Germany and surrounding countries that is like that called Waldorf Schools. Long been attracting antivax parents and staff and as a result had a disproportionate number of measles outbreaks with often as many as 50% of students unvaccinated. Apparently there's a bit over 100 such schools in the US as well (250 in Germany and i am still flummoxed this is allowed given our much more stringent system).


Ginger root and meteorite dust: the Steiner ‘Covid cures’ offered in Germany | Germany | The Guardian


As anti-vaxx dispute rages, attention turns to California's Waldorf schools | Vaccines and immunisation | The Guardian


Also, this is an interesting short primer on related themes and how the alt-right has managed to connect with very leftist but also pretty a-political groups/circles during the pandemic:


Alt-Medicine: How the Alt-Right Weaponizes Vaccine Hesitancy

Booster approved for J&J yesterday....booster received today. (Pfizer)

This looks familiar.

Getting scary out here. Crowd of protesters just jumped barricades and pushing towards door. Chanting let Kyrie play. pic.twitter.com/PlSu5B8amV

— Barbara Barker (@meanbarb) October 24, 2021

I wonder how many of those people have actually watched an NBA game let alone ever see Kyrie play.

Wife (teacher) is eligible and will get booster this week.

Rest of us aren't eligible yet but figure it won't be too long before they'll see a lack of demand and open it up for everyone that had been vaccinated 6+ months ago.

Apparently the leader is claiming that vaccinations are racist. 0_o

Here in Iowa you fill out a form for an appointment and they just take your word for it that you're eligible. I did get my Pfizer booster a couple of weeks ago. I am actually eligible but was never challenged or questioned. In this idiotic state, enough people have turned down the vaccine that there is plenty to go around. Hell, the place I went even gave me a $10 gift card as a reward\incentive to get it ;)

I've been confused about booster eligibility. Originally, it was about high risk, first responders, etc., but now all I hear about is "boosters are widely available" and you can mix and match, etc. but there's no talk at all about who is allowed to get them. So my wife and I are wondering if there are no eligibility requirements any more. We haven't checked and maybe that would clear up the confusion, but the messaging on this has been horrible.

I googled on "GA booster eligibility" and first up is a State of GA website that spelled it out well.

In GA, its not wide open yet.

Page not found | Georgia Department of Public Health.

I got the flu vaccine on Friday and had a headache and achy body all day Saturday (although it didn't keep me from running 7.5m). Barely felt either Covid shot, though.

lol At NYC police holding Do Not Comply signs.

From the CDC:

I had J&J back at the end of March, and was eligible immediately. Got Pfizer on Saturday, had almost no side effects, other than a weird feeling on Sunday afternoon and an arm that felt like people had taken turns punching it.

Maybe the J&J distinction is where the "anyone can get it" thing comes from, versus the others. I guess my wife could get the booster as a teacher. She had one of the others.

Got my flu shot at the same time as my covid booster. Went in with the intention to ask about the flu shot and when I could get it in relation to the booster. Before I could they asked me if I wanted it at the same time.

Nurse told me since I had no effects on the first two Pfhizer shots the I'd be fine with the booster. If I had any issues it would be with the flu shot. Fortunately for me, no reactions.

Guys, they were just playing!

https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/25/us/mi...ine/index.html

Semi serious questions because I know I am biased: Aren't they supposed to be pissed about the government interfering in how they run their school? Shouldn't they be filing a lawsuit against the state?

I have a psychical next week. I will probably get the booster then along with the flu shot.

These people are literally too dumb to live.

Is that a two-fer? Physical and psych evaluation in one? :p

It might be splitting hairs but "too dumb" or "too petulant"? I swear, it's like society is reverting back to teenage years right before our very eyes. For some of us, it means playing video games and posting stupid things online (even though that wasn't even available at the time for some of us) while for others, it's just this open rebellion and lashing out. Only with adult resources and adult power.

SI

The FDA meeting is reaching a really stupid point

A bunch of doctors are raising objections about the FDA EUA approval being used as a potential mandate going forward (never mind that the mandates didn't come along until full approval happened under Pfizer not EUA).

And, while doing so, putting a risk on the shot even being made available. Or to only being available to certain risk groups. I think if you could hear public comments, there would be a lot of parents about ready to murder these grandstanding old men.

SI

It's also amazing how the "won't somebody think of the children" standard is being applied with kids. No one wants to flip the switch on the trolley problem since kids are involved. Never mind that some of us who are being particularly careful with our children is precisely /because/ of the long term profile of COVID (increased type 1 diabetes risk, bad long term side-effect profile for similar virus SARS-CoV-1, etc). I'm not really worried about my son dying, but I am much more worried about him getting a long term complication from the disease and he has much more of his life ahead of him to deal with said complication. So, yes, that matters a lot to me more. Especially considering the side effect profile of, say, catching COVID is much worse than that of a shot. Does that mean he could have an adverse reaction to the vaccine and would not have had one for COVID? Yes, but the dice roll is much more likely that it would be the other way around, which is why he's getting the vaccine as soon as he's able.

SI

Curious here, has anyone here had side effects/bad reactions from mix/matching vaccine booster shots or heard of anyone having them? I'm eligible to get a booster now, so wanted to know before I did it

Thomkal, I mixed J&J with Pfizer and had zero major effects.

I haven't heard anything really specific. Mixed bag, like the initial doses.

So I got the Pfizer booster at Walmart, and apart from the usual sore arm, I had chills pretty bad this morning. I usually shiver as a kidney failure side effect, but this was an all out put a jacket on, and covers type of chill. Other than that no side effects so far.

cocktail!

A total of 34 NYPD officers went on unpaid leave today.

Mandates work.

No question they are effective at their stated goal. Last estimate I heard was that about 5% of unvaccinated are putting their money where their mouth is and actually quitting. The rest are actually gritting their teeth and bearing it, so to speak.

5% of what?

So the NYPD was lying when they told us it would be thousands? What a shocker!

Of unvaccinated people mandated to get a vaccine or lose their jobs.

I think it is way less than that

If 5% of unvaccinated decline, that would be about 1.5% of a company's workforce (5% x 30%) which assumes 70% are fully vaccinated. If you just need 1 shot then about 1%. Definitely lower than that for NYPD, but NYC has a higher vaccinated rate than US average.

I don't think it is far off, but likely the difference between a survey and actions.

The number comes from a survey. Whether people are telling the truth is another story, but I find it hard to believe 5% have left their jobs.

Take a look at the NYPD. It turns out 0.15% actually left over the mandate in the end. And that's from a group that is much farther to the right politically than your average American.

My company's made vaccination a condition of employment, the date of decision is early next year. I'm not sure what the percentage of people
opting for termination will be, but we're definitely experiencing turn over as people are leaving for other jobs. All categories included, that turn over looks to be a lot higher than 5%.

Ok, so clearly a couple of Texas based airlines are getting a lot of attention because they are having issues with their pilots and flight attendants and vaccinations.

My company and union worked out a deal back in May where the company would pay a pretty good incentive to get everyone vaccinated. The union and their lawyers basically said that mandatory vaccinations would be legal and coming eventually, but the company had the wherewithal to go the incentive route first. My personal incentive paid me nearly $3000.

Our company is well over 90% vaccinated, and the pilots are something like 99%. There are a few fighting, and the union is trying to support alternative methods of compliance for those who do not wish to, but they are a very, very small minority.

Conversely, no other airlines have gone the incentive route. We've not had the problems that these Texas based airlines have, and we'll gladly take all their market share while they figure things out.

Many people are quitting/moving jobs, but the percentage directly attributable to a company mandate that they refuse to comply with is what the 5% is supposedly measuring.

In my company, the percentage is slightly higher, but we're talking about 50-55 company employees, not thousands. We had 4 people quit.

Kids just got approved last night, took my 8 year old for his shot this morning and got my booster. Feels good to finally have the whole family vaccinated (even though he needs to go back in 3 weeks).

Interesting article on which booster to pick since we can now do mix and match.

3 of us had Moderna and daughter had Pfizer. Basically if you got J&J, upgrade to Moderna or Pfizer for the booster. If you got Moderna or Pfizer, stick with either but don't "downgrade" to J&J.

Which COVID booster shot should I get? Here's how to chose - Los Angeles Times

Where did you get it? The soonest we were able to find an appointment was 11/20.

There are drive-up places all over here. Our pediatrician was not taking any appointments until the weekend, but Viral Solutions has sites all over the area for testing and vaccines. We got there are 9:30 and the guy said they were likely to run out during the day.

We were able to get a Walgreens apt. for our 10yo on Wednesday the 10th.

Our pediatrician's appointments were already pushed out to the 12th, as were Duke Health's (the big local hospital group).

I was hoping to knock it out this week, but next week will have to do

Fantastic news. Great to see legit therapeutics getting into the news. I know Pfizer needs to make some profits here but really can see this help rest of world.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/05/healt...ill/index.html

I heard the pill was just a secret vaccination in pill form

It's probably a pill designed to keep you from seeing the 'truth'.

Never happy.

I'm excited about both the new anti-virals and mRNA technology coming from the pandemic-related research. There's real promise for progress against a host of diseases.