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digamma 07-04-2006 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by digamma
Yep, that's right. Teams appear to get a single time out. Well, I should say that cpu teams appear to get a single time out a half. I can't for the life of me figure out how to call a time out in the game. Shouldn't something like that be readily apparent?

There is action on this point on the MF forums today, four months after release. Apparently, you can call a time out by pressing the third mouse button when the teams line up for the huddle. Again, completely intuitive. The one time out fiasco hasn't been solved yet.

digamma 07-04-2006 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by aran
I went to the matrix boards and posted a little look at the flaws of the game for someone who is trying to compare it to madden. Daivd himself answered my post. Occasional UIC abounds!

http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=1148382

I'm evizaer.

Against my better judgment, I weighed in after DW's latest reply.

SunDevil 07-04-2006 05:54 PM
Your brave to promise that you will finish your first season in the MF forum. :)

SunDevil 07-04-2006 05:55 PM
Dola,

Digamma I thought you did a great job documenting the points and experiences you ran into. I think the Daivd response is going to be legendary in order to slide away from all your valid input.

aran 07-04-2006 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by digamma
Against my better judgment, I weighed in after DW's latest reply.

Your points were valid and well-stated. His evasions shall be classic, no doubt.

MacroGuru 07-04-2006 06:47 PM
Wait....did I read in there because he doesn't hold licensing to CFL, NFL, or AFL and he can't "infringe" upon them....He isn't able to create a league specific simulation?

Pumpy Tudors 07-04-2006 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted by MacroGuru
Wait....did I read in there because he doesn't hold licensing to CFL, NFL, or AFL and he can't "infringe" upon them....He isn't able to create a league specific simulation?
He's only saying that he can't infringe upon a particular AFL patent.

Desmond 07-04-2006 09:52 PM
Maybe we're all being biast against the game.

Ben E Lou 07-04-2006 09:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Desmond
Maybe we're all being biast against the game.
You're opinions have been noted.

Antmeister 07-04-2006 11:05 PM
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Originally Posted by SkyDog
Quote:
Originally Posted by Desmond
Maybe we're all being biast against the game.
You're opinions have been noted.


I assume he is having fun with this line:
Quote:
Originally Posted by David Winter
...Personally, I think this is a fine first release of a project of this scope. but again, this is my project so it's a biast opinion. As with every most other games, this game will improve over time. I think, and many would agree, it already has.

He's also a comedian. I am sure that Puresim has surpassed him in sales due to the fact that they have a better price point and super support. Shaun already had a fricking demo and patch a less than a month after release. So I am not quite sure where he is getting this "fine first release" malarky from.

Ben E Lou 07-05-2006 05:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Antmeister
I assume he is having fun with this line:
Oh, I was having fun with another line:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Daivd
In regards to making data available for people to edit the penalites. That already exists. It's a table in the main datafile called penalties. Anyone knowledgeable enough to deal with XML, as you suggested, will probably also have the knowledge and tools to work with these data files. Heck, Excel can do it. As well there are already tools out there that people can download and use on the penalty table and any other table for that matter.

You're opinions have been noted. But personally, considering this game is a first major release(with a couple of patches released) and it's being compared to games that have been released almost every year for 16+ years (and new games that are 80% of the code base) I have to say that I think this game offers a lot.

Personally, I think this is a fine first release of a project of this scope. but again, this is my project so it's a biast opinion. As with every most other games, this game will improve over time. I think, and many would agree, it already has.

Antmeister 07-05-2006 05:26 AM
Damn and it was from the same post. I gotta be quicker than that. There's too much hilarity for me to catch.

FrogMan 07-05-2006 07:17 AM
wow, that Desmond/SkyDog 1-2 punch was something out of this world... This dude simply keeps on delivering the great quotes, wow...

FM

Toddzilla 07-05-2006 07:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Desmond
Maybe we're all being biast against the game.
Stop causing problems.

Toddzilla 07-05-2006 07:29 AM
Dola - that whole DW/aran thread on the MF board is just mind-boggling. Everything that we find incorrect about the game is a figment of our imagination - Daivd has never seen such nonsense. Whomever did the Iraqi Information Minister PS about 65 pages ago hit the nail on the head.

grisha 07-05-2006 07:50 AM
thank god this is back!

wade moore 07-05-2006 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Toddzilla
Dola - that whole DW/aran thread on the MF board is just mind-boggling. Everything that we find incorrect about the game is a figment of our imagination - Daivd has never seen such nonsense. Whomever did the Iraqi Information Minister PS about 65 pages ago hit the nail on the head.

I think you picked the right word to describe the thread - mindboggling.

When I sit down and think about this logically. What does this game ACTUALLY give me that Madden does not?

As far as I can tell, the ONLY difference is rule sets and custom plays.

What does Madden have over it?

Graphics
Gameplay
NFL License
Realistic Stats (boy is THAT scary)
Established on-line community
A true draft
Hell, a true career mode

I mean seriously.. everything that M-F does except for modifiable rule sets and custom plays Madden does AT LEAST 10x better. The people who argue that this is some drastically different better sim are just, quite simply, INSANE.

Seriously.. even if this game was done WELL, I don't know that I see where I would want it over Madden unless I was into Arena/CFL/Whatever.

Bee 07-05-2006 09:32 AM
Madden is 100 times the game that Maxi Football is and Madden sucks.

SunDevil 07-05-2006 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by wade moore
As far as I can tell, the ONLY difference is rule sets and custom plays.
AND CUSTOM CREATED UNIFORMS

...

Seriously.. even if this game was done WELL, I don't know that I see where I would want it over Madden unless I was into Arena/CFL/UNIFORM FASHION QUEEN.

Fixed it for you.

wade moore 07-05-2006 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by SunDevil
Fixed it for you.

Nope. Madden for the PC allows Custom Uni's.

Now, if you want to say that maybe M-F let's you modify more (like textures etc), that may be true.. but Madden allows custom uni's including importing helmet images, field images, etc.

Pumpy Tudors 07-05-2006 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by wade moore
Seriously.. even if this game was done WELL, I don't know that I see where I would want it over Madden unless I was into Arena/CFL/Whatever.
Nope. Can't simulate Arena Football. Daivd can't infringe upon an AFL patent. He can steal the fuck out of a Georgia Tech logo, though!

QuikSand 07-05-2006 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Pumpy Tudors
Nope. Can't simulate Arena Football. Daivd can't infringe upon an AFL patent. He can steal the fuck out of a Georgia Tech logo, though!

That's a bulldog, right?

Pumpy Tudors 07-05-2006 11:20 AM
Just for reference, the aforementioned AFL patent is US patent 4,911,443. He respects US patent 4,911,443, but that damned Georgia Tech Bulldog made its way into official screenshots.

gg daivd

BrianD 07-05-2006 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Pumpy Tudors
Just for reference, the aforementioned AFL patent is US patent 4,911,443. He respects US patent 4,911,443, but that damned Georgia Tech Bulldog made its way into official screenshots.

gg daivd

Is there a joke here I am forgetting? It is hard to remember 92 pages of jokes.

Pumpy Tudors 07-05-2006 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by BrianD
Is there a joke here I am forgetting? It is hard to remember 92 pages of jokes.
Yes. I'm not sure if I'm getting this exactly right, but at least one official screenshot showed a Georgia Tech logo at midfield. When called on it, one of Daivd's explanations was that he didn't know that it was Georgia Tech's logo. He thought GT's logo was a bulldog.

st.cronin 07-05-2006 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Pumpy Tudors
Yes. I'm not sure if I'm getting this exactly right, but at least one official screenshot showed a Georgia Tech logo at midfield. When called on it, one of Daivd's explanations was that he didn't know that it was Georgia Tech's logo. He thought GT's logo was a bulldog.

LOL, I had completely forgotten about that. I remember the screenshot, but ... man. I don't think Daivd could be trusted with matching my SOCKS. Honestly, I wouldn't hire him for any job that you could think of.

21C 07-05-2006 11:30 AM
When are these guys going to be finished? They need to give Daivd some competition.

hxxp://www.divisionrivals.com

I know they've been in development almost as long as M-F. I found a thread dating back to 2003.
http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/...ad.php?t=13252

digamma 07-05-2006 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by aran
Your points were valid and well-stated. His evasions shall be classic, no doubt.

His current tactic seems to be to ignore me.

QuikSand 07-05-2006 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by BrianD
Is there a joke here I am forgetting? It is hard to remember 92 pages of jokes.

We may need to enable the forum to allow you to search just in this thread.

Bee 07-05-2006 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by wade moore
Nope. Madden for the PC allows Custom Uni's.

Now, if you want to say that maybe M-F let's you modify more (like textures etc), that may be true.. but Madden allows custom uni's including importing helmet images, field images, etc.

But Madden doesn't allow for clown feet.

KWhit 07-05-2006 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by digamma
His current tactic seems to be to ignore me.

That's probably a good decision on his part.

BrianD 07-05-2006 01:44 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pumpy Tudors
Yes. I'm not sure if I'm getting this exactly right, but at least one official screenshot showed a Georgia Tech logo at midfield. When called on it, one of Daivd's explanations was that he didn't know that it was Georgia Tech's logo. He thought GT's logo was a bulldog.

Ah. I remember the GT logo in the screenshots, but I forgot about Daivd's response. I pity the future board members who join and don't get pointed to this thread. There will be years of in-jokes coming from here and they won't know anything about it.

Bee 07-05-2006 01:55 PM
I was just glancing over at the MF boards and saw someone post a screenshot of the standings for his league. There was a column labeled "P". It took me a second to figure out that there are points being assigned (2 for a win and 1 for a tie). Is that a CFL thing?

FrogMan 07-05-2006 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Bee
I was just glancing over at the MF boards and saw someone post a screenshot of the standings for his league. There was a column labeled "P". It took me a second to figure out that there are points being assigned (2 for a win and 1 for a tie). Is that a CFL thing?

yes, yes it is...
http://www.cfl.ca/index.php?module=s...006&user_pre=N

FM

Bee 07-05-2006 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by FrogMan

Thanks FM. Must be a carry over from hockey or something.

Actually, I think I might have asked this same question somewhere else in this thread now that I think about it. :D

aran 07-05-2006 04:38 PM
http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/up...6B5F5C4A5A.jpg

What kind of standings display is that? You can change everything for entirely no reason. Ever screenshot i see of this game further entrenches my feelings of confusion over just about every design decision DW has made.

Cringer 07-05-2006 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Bee
Thanks FM. Must be a carry over from hockey or something.

Actually, I think I might have asked this same question somewhere else in this thread now that I think about it. :D

It was probably somewhere around the post #1200-1500 range for the thread, so you are forgiven.

Antmeister 07-05-2006 04:49 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by aran
http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/up...6B5F5C4A5A.jpg

What kind of standings display is that? You can change everything for entirely no reason. Ever screenshot i see of this game further entrenches my feelings of confusion over just about every design decision DW has made.

Don't be so harsh. The league only had 6 tied games over 10 weeks of play. I mean before the patch, the games just kept looping on certain games.. So at least there are completed games. ;)

aran 07-05-2006 04:51 PM
Heh, point taken. I'm more talking about the way the interface is designed, though.

aran 07-05-2006 04:54 PM
YES! more stats to laugh at: http://ca.geocities.com/football_can...pped/Logs.html

Game logs. Lots of FUN FUN boxscores to satiate your thirst for terrible stat generation.

*hurries off and begins to read logs*

ice4277 07-05-2006 04:56 PM
Regardless of what happens to this game/this thread in the future, we'll always have the Beer Tent.

CraigSca 07-05-2006 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by aran
YES! more stats to laugh at: http://ca.geocities.com/football_can...pped/Logs.html

Game logs. Lots of FUN FUN boxscores to satiate your thirst for terrible stat generation.

*hurries off and begins to read logs*

The best part about the site is the fact the season ends with "the Finials". Outstanding.

aran 07-05-2006 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted by CraigSca
The best part about the site is the fact the season ends with "the Finials". Outstanding.

Yeah. After reading two boxscores my eyes started bleeding and my firstborn child died, so I had to stop.

digamma 07-05-2006 06:00 PM
I can't wait to sim Week 4 and post the logs.

Just when I think I'm going to give up on this game, DW has to go and do this.

aran 07-05-2006 06:45 PM
Go for it. I'm on the edge of my e-seat.

Antmeister 07-05-2006 09:01 PM
And now, some deep thoughts by GW'sFBAStartOct292006
 
I found this gem on Answerbag.com a while back when I checking to see if this guy was real. Well he is and this gem still has me laughing


Quote:
Originally Posted by GW'sFBAStartOct292006 at Answerbag.com

Question:What is origin of etiquette and its use/acceptance in society?



Religions and some how animals NOT having rules of behavior so that their tribes/families get along; instead of wiping-out each other out is BLANKING BLANK! There are a ton of rules and different types of etiquette. Since Religion is about homogenousiam (I know I invented this word just know, but you know what I mean) for power (as the pagans and Native peoples of The North and South Americas), there is no way some thing as diverse and complex as etiquette. As a person who has ushered and asked question of leading experts in the last Animal Rights and Behavioral Studies Conference, at Miami-Dade College, South Florida, I can tell you animals have a very complex (even though it may not be as complex as ours') and many different sets of etiquette.

Yes, I think it is a signing of a slightly greater brain compacity (when we were trying to survive in the world of the wild). IT WAS SIMPLY A WAY FOR US TO SURVIVE AND NOT GO EXTINCT BY KILLING OURSELVES. By the way in the wild, animals never (with our intervention, for our benefit) kill more than they need; so their prey never is pushed to extinction. Plus, I said 'kill' on purpose, because wild animals (lions, tigers, apes, chimps- proven murders; not just badly treated animals we know as tame pets or starving pets in the wild) do murder fellow species or even tribe/family members. The treat of murder in the wild, is the one-reason for rules for getting along as a group united for a tribe's/family's survival.


Man, I just wish he was still floating around on those message boards.

QuikSand 07-05-2006 09:28 PM
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Originally Posted by aran
YES! more stats to laugh at: http://ca.geocities.com/football_can...pped/Logs.html

Game logs. Lots of FUN FUN boxscores to satiate your thirst for terrible stat generation.

So, I found one more twist on the "no interceptions for yardage" comment, which I believe Daivd continues to deny. I just opened one random boxscore, the Week 1 TOR v. MON game from the link above.

Code:
Int:
 MON -- LOFTUS 1-0,
 TOR -- HARDY 3-0, SMITH 3-0,
STEINHAUER 4-0, WHEATON 4-0,
Impressive run by JOESPH picked up nearly 15 yards.
Tackle made by KRALT.

So, uh... this JOSEPH guy, uh, what exactly happened there? And why are we getting a little bit of play-by-play right in the midst of the boxscore (which, once again, shows zero yards return on every single pick)?

Maximum Farkakte!

Groundhog 07-05-2006 09:28 PM
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Originally Posted by GW'sFBAStartOct292006
... As a person who has ushered and asked question of leading experts in the last Animal Rights and Behavioral Studies Conference, at Miami-Dade College, South Florida...

Oh dear. I can just imagine the leading experts responses to his "questions".

KWhit 07-05-2006 09:32 PM
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Originally Posted by aran
Yeah. After reading two boxscores my eyes started bleeding and my firstborn child died, so I had to stop.

The very first boxscore I opened has a kicker attempting 11 FGs in one game. He made 10 of them. Not bad.

Of course nowhere in the box score or game log does it tell the score, so I don't know who won.

And who the hell writes a game log like this:

Quote:
FB FAKE ROLL PA vs LB ALL BLITZ
A risky field goal try of 66 yards.
Tackle made by JACKSON.

FG NORMAL vs FG RET NORMAL
RANEK was dropped for 3 yards.
Tackle made by KIDD.

FB REVERSE vs LB THREE RUSH
ADAMS lost about a yard.
Tackle made by FLOYD.

HB DIVE FB LEAD vs LB THREE RUSH
The Punt by FLEMING traveled 35 yards.
LOCKETT returned the kick 2 yards.
Tackle made by BENDROSS.

PUNT NORMAL vs KR NORMAL
The pass from PRINTERS was intended for NOHRA .
The pass was completed for 2 yards.
Tackle made by GIVENS.

SWING PASS RIGH vs LB BLITZ
The pass from PRINTERS was intended for NOHRA .
The pass was completed for -2 yards.
Tackle made by GIVENS.

HITCH PASS vs LB COVER
A risky field goal try of 69 yards.
Tackle made by THELWELL.

FG NORMAL vs FG RET NORMAL
The pass from PALMER was intended for RANEK .
The pass attempt fell incomplete.

R1 WAGGLE vs 43 WIDE LB ZONE
The pass from PALMER was intended for ADAMS .
The pass attempt fell incomplete.

This is totally incomprehensible gibberish.

aran 07-05-2006 09:38 PM
Yeah... That's entirely hideous. I don't even know what plays in the game those were and/or why they were picked to be displayed over the other hundred odd plays that were supposedly executed.


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