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Pumpy Tudors 07-01-2009 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Sak (Post 2062926)
Stop over I'll do it for you. I'm not going to work tomorrow so anytime tonight is fine with me. Wear your Crosby mask and jersey.

I don't have any of that Crosby shit, but maybe I'll stop by anyway.

johnnyshaka 07-01-2009 10:43 PM

LOL...Dreger is reporting that Heatley wants to sleep on it, again. Sens are on the hook for the $4 mil...douche.

Pyser 07-02-2009 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Pumpy Tudors (Post 2062923)
So the Devils lose three forwards today... do they plan to bring any in at all? Or do you get past the top line and then it's just the Dainius Zubrus show? Can somebody just punch me in the mouth now and get it over with?


im honestly fine with it. we need another center, but its about time the youth movement began in new jersey.

and honestly, 5 MILLION for gionta? for 5 years?! to shoot every puck straight into the goalies chest? good riddance. madden will be missed, but hes 35 or so, time to get the younger defensive specialists in there.

im excited that we finally turned the page.

also, very happy for clemmer to make some money and get some security. he really, really, really deserved it.

Chief Rum 07-02-2009 01:18 AM

Ducks board had a rumor that Koivu signed with the Ducks. But that turned out to be unconfirmed, and now it seems he is close to signing with the Wild. He is supposedly "sleeping" on the decision.

Seems likely to come down to Anaheim or Minnesota. Surprised Minny would have the cap room after the Havlat deal.

Chief Rum 07-02-2009 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by TurnerONU22 (Post 2062795)
Jackets join the fray, by signing Sami Pahlsson to a 3 yr deal at 2.7 per.

Expensive, but I think the Jackets still have to overpay to get anyone to play for them.

CR or Hawks fans, how's he looked the past season? He seems like the perfect 3rd line center in a Hitchcock system.


Can't speak for how he was with the Hawks, but Sami was off this past season, had nagging injuries that largely derailed the season. From what I saw when I was right, though, he still seems plenty capable of doing what he has been doing, playing a tough, physical third line game, winning face offs and being an underrated Selke contender. Not going to get you more than 20 points though, usually, in a full season. Glue guy, good for team chemistry and in the playoffs.

Think Holmstrom, except he's not a jerk who runs over goaltenders in the crease.

bhlloy 07-02-2009 03:06 AM

Yeah, Pahlsson when healthy is the perfect 3rd line center in any system. He won't put up the numbers but he's well worth the money.

Not sure how I feel about Koivu. I would have to see the kind of money being thrown around but I would expect it to be a bit more than I would be willing to pay. At last season's price (close to 5 million for 50 points) no thanks... Pretty sure he'll end up with his brother in Minny anyway, unless the Ducks are offering significantly more money. Not sure who else is out there that is worth anything at C. Antropov maybe? I hope we aren't stupid enough to start talking to Sundin.

according to NHLNumbers, Ducks have a bunch of cap space left (14 mil plus) even after the Niedermayer signing. Will be interesting to see if there is anybody left out there that is worth a big splash. At the very least I now expect them to resign Beauchemin (and obviously Wiz as well).

Honolulu_Blue 07-02-2009 06:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Chief Rum (Post 2062985)
Think Holmstrom, except he's not a jerk who runs over goaltenders in the crease.


and can play defense and win face-offs.

And he is a jerk! He elbowed poor Valterri Filpulla in the back of the head last year during the playoffs.

Chief Rum 07-02-2009 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue (Post 2063052)
and can play defense and win face-offs.

And he is a jerk! He elbowed poor Valterri Filpulla in the back of the head last year during the playoffs.


I note you do not deny that Holmstrom is a jerk! :p

TurnerONU22 07-02-2009 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Chief Rum (Post 2062985)
Can't speak for how he was with the Hawks, but Sami was off this past season, had nagging injuries that largely derailed the season. From what I saw when I was right, though, he still seems plenty capable of doing what he has been doing, playing a tough, physical third line game, winning face offs and being an underrated Selke contender. Not going to get you more than 20 points though, usually, in a full season. Glue guy, good for team chemistry and in the playoffs.

Think Holmstrom, except he's not a jerk who runs over goaltenders in the crease.


Thanks for the write-up. Its actually nice that we're signing a 3rd line center to........center the 3rd line. And he's being sold to us as a 3rd line center (unlike our signing of Todd Marchant before the lockout, when Douggie Mac tried to hail him as our future 1st line center). It only took us 9 years, but we actually have some depth up the middle.

Here's the big news today, that I'm sure is getting some play up in Toronto this morning, but apparently Nash wasn't too happy with his first offer.

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“Things didn’t line up the way I anticipated them lining up,” Nash said. “I thought we had a solid chance of getting (a contract) done, especially with all the interest they said they had going into this.

“There were tons of teams throwing some pretty big money around (yesterday),” Nash said. “If this doesn’t get done, I’m sure I won’t have a problem getting signed by somebody next summer.”

These quotes are definitely out of character for Nash, so naturally everyone in Columbus is overreacting. Nash has came out and said how much he loves the city and wants to stay, so I think this is his way of getting some leverage back in the negotiations.

We'll see what happens, as I'm still thinking this deal will get done soon.

Honolulu_Blue 07-02-2009 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Chief Rum (Post 2063105)
I note you do not deny that Holmstrom is a jerk! :p


I just don't deny that a fan of another team would perceive Holmstrom as a jerk. I don't think he's a jerk. All he does is stand in front of the goal, do his best not to actually interfere while getting the holly hell pounded out of him. I feel bad for poor Holmstrom.

bbor 07-02-2009 09:00 AM

Holmstrom and Pahlsson = guys you like to have play for you but hate to play against.

johnnyshaka 07-02-2009 10:48 AM

Antripov to ATL...$16 mil over 4 years.

Fidatelo 07-02-2009 10:49 AM

Question to all the Osgood-loving Red Wing fans that defend him based on stats and cups put up while sitting behind a 6 time Norris trophy winner: what does it say when Stevie Y leaves Ozzy out of the Olympic team invites?

Answer: He's not as good as you think he is.

samifan24 07-02-2009 10:56 AM

Bruins re-sign Recchi to a one year deal. Yes!

Travis 07-02-2009 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Fidatelo (Post 2063186)
Question to all the Osgood-loving Red Wing fans that defend him based on stats and cups put up while sitting behind a 6 time Norris trophy winner: what does it say when Stevie Y leaves Ozzy out of the Olympic team invites?

Answer: He's not as good as you think he is.


Yeah, because those other Canadian goalies are all pretty awful ;) There's a pretty nice mix of youth and experience between the pipes and while I certainly won't argue that Osgood should replace any of them, there's a lot of awfully damn good Canadian goalies who aren't getting invites.

Fidatelo 07-02-2009 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Travis (Post 2063199)
Yeah, because those other Canadian goalies are all pretty awful ;) There's a pretty nice mix of youth and experience between the pipes and while I certainly won't argue that Osgood should replace any of them, there's a lot of awfully damn good Canadian goalies who aren't getting invites.


Shhhhhh... I'm trying to rile up Michigan :)

Pumpy Tudors 07-02-2009 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by samifan24 (Post 2063195)
Bruins re-sign Recchi to a one year deal. Yes!

Mark Recchi? They still make that?

Honolulu_Blue 07-02-2009 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Fidatelo (Post 2063186)
Question to all the Osgood-loving Red Wing fans that defend him based on stats and cups put up while sitting behind a 6 time Norris trophy winner: what does it say when Stevie Y leaves Ozzy out of the Olympic team invites?

Answer: He's not as good as you think he is.


I am baffled by this post.

Most people don't think Osgood is that good. I am pretty sure that those who think he's good (like me), would have been shocked to see him invited the Olympic team tryouts. Shocked. If he had been, I would have considered it a surprising case of nepotism (especially since that's not how Yzerman rolls).

Osgood-loving fans defend him against all those Osgood-hating fans (which are the majority). He's better than most people give him credit for and has shown a tendency to step up during the playoffs. He's a good, dependable goalie and is the perfect fit for the right team. I don't think he'd make the cut as one of Canada's top 5 goalies.

Answer: Osgood is exactly as good as I think he is and his lack of an invitation to the Canadian Olympic team doesn't change that one iota, since I never considered him in that class.

RomaGoth 07-02-2009 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Pumpy Tudors (Post 2062923)
So the Devils lose three forwards today... do they plan to bring any in at all? Or do you get past the top line and then it's just the Dainius Zubrus show? Can somebody just punch me in the mouth now and get it over with?


Yes. Punching a Devils fan in the mouth is fun, although not as much fun as punching a Devils fan who is wearing Crosby gear. :D

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Originally Posted by Travis (Post 2062930)
So who complete's the sniper shuffle?

Hossa went to Chicago. Havlat is going to Minny. Gaborik went to the Rangers. Gomez went to Montreal, so maybe Kovalev signs on the cheap with Detroit to close the loop?


Uggh. Hell no to Kovalev in Detroit. He is most definitely not a Kenny Holland type of guy.

RomaGoth 07-02-2009 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue (Post 2063251)
I am baffled by this post.

Most people don't think Osgood is that good. I am pretty sure that those who think he's good (like me), would have been shocked to see him invited the Olympic team tryouts. Shocked. If he had been, I would have considered it a surprising case of nepotism (especially since that's not how Yzerman rolls).

Osgood-loving fans defend him against all those Osgood-hating fans (which are the majority). He's better than most people give him credit for and has shown a tendency to step up during the playoffs. He's a good, dependable goalie and is the perfect fit for the right team. I don't think he'd make the cut as one of Canada's top 5 goalies.

Answer: Osgood is exactly as good as I think he is and his lack of an invitation to the Canadian Olympic team doesn't change that one iota, since I never considered him in that class.


I think he would actually do pretty well in that type of situation. I think a lot of his problems in the past involved a lack of focus, especially during the season. I know he has his detractors, but how can any goalie in the NHL with 400 victories not be good? He should make the HOF someday, and if not it would be a shame.

Fidatelo 07-02-2009 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by RomaGoth (Post 2063263)
I think he would actually do pretty well in that type of situation. I think a lot of his problems in the past involved a lack of focus, especially during the season. I know he has his detractors, but how can any goalie in the NHL with 400 victories not be good? He should make the HOF someday, and if not it would be a shame.


See, this is the kind of guy I was targeting :)

But in seriousness... really? HOF? Osgood?

If Osgood is a hall of fame goalie than we may as well burn the place down and start over.

Draft Dodger 07-02-2009 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Pumpy Tudors (Post 2063232)
Mark Recchi? They still make that?


they still make the "they still make that" jokes?

RomaGoth 07-02-2009 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Fidatelo (Post 2063264)
See, this is the kind of guy I was targeting :)

But in seriousness... really? HOF? Osgood?

If Osgood is a hall of fame goalie than we may as well burn the place down and start over.


I am always up for a good hockey argument, especially when I know I am right. ;)

Why wouldn't he be HOF eligible?

  • 389 wins (barring injury he will top 400 this season) - 10th all time
  • 3 Stanley Cup rings
  • 2.47 career GAA, only worse than Brodeur and Plante from the top 10 goalies in career wins
Here is a link to the site I used for my information:

NHL.com - Stats: Career Stats - Regular season - Goalie - Goalie Career Leaders - Career Wins

I see no reason to continue this argument. Let's get the thread back to the Rangers and Canadiens spending like drunken sailors.

Honolulu_Blue 07-02-2009 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Fidatelo (Post 2063264)
See, this is the kind of guy I was targeting :)

But in seriousness... really? HOF? Osgood?

If Osgood is a hall of fame goalie than we may as well burn the place down and start over.


This is exactly the type of BS and attitude you Winnipegians trotted out against poor Thomas Steen when he was playing there.

Poor, Thomas Steen.

Fidatelo 07-02-2009 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by RomaGoth (Post 2063272)
I am always up for a good hockey argument, especially when I know I am right. ;)

Why wouldn't he be HOF eligible?

  • 389 wins (barring injury he will top 400 this season) - 10th all time
  • 3 Stanley Cup rings
  • 2.47 career GAA, only worse than Brodeur and Plante from the top 10 goalies in career wins
Here is a link to the site I used for my information:

NHL.com - Stats: Career Stats - Regular season - Goalie - Goalie Career Leaders - Career Wins

I see no reason to continue this argument. Let's get the thread back to the Rangers and Canadiens spending like drunken sailors.


Yes, he's won a lot of games... behind teams that mostly prevented the opposition from taking many shots, and especially few quality shots.

Lets look at this another way: he's never won a Vezina and as far as I can tell was only a finalist once (95-96). How many of those other top 10 goalies on your list can you say that about? Only Cujo, and even he was a finalist more than once (looks like he was 2nd or 3rd at least three times).

Osgood racked up wins behind some amazing teams, and was never considered a top-flight goalie at any point in his career. Even his own fans (see H_B above) admit that he isn't really a contender for one of the top 5 positions on the Canadian Olympic team, and this is coming off a couple of his best playoff runs ever.

Sorry, but he's not a Hall of Famer.

Fidatelo 07-02-2009 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue (Post 2063282)
This is exactly the type of BS and attitude you Winnipegians trotted out against poor Thomas Steen when he was playing there.

Poor, Thomas Steen.


Lol! Trying to turn the tables are ya? I WON'T FALL FOR IT!! :D

Honolulu_Blue 07-02-2009 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Fidatelo (Post 2063298)
Yes, he's won a lot of games... behind teams that mostly prevented the opposition from taking many shots, and especially few quality shots.

Lets look at this another way: he's never won a Vezina and as far as I can tell was only a finalist once (95-96). How many of those other top 10 goalies on your list can you say that about? Only Cujo, and even he was a finalist more than once (looks like he was 2nd or 3rd at least three times).

Osgood racked up wins behind some amazing teams, and was never considered a top-flight goalie at any point in his career. Even his own fans (see H_B above) admit that he isn't really a contender for one of the top 5 positions on the Canadian Olympic team, and this is coming off a couple of his best playoff runs ever.

Sorry, but he's not a Hall of Famer.


The "Is Chris Osgood a Hall of Famer" debate gets raised at least once a month on Detroit sports talk radio and more than that during hockey season.

I could care less. I can't stand Hall of Fame debates, but that's just a personal thing.

That said, I have stopped doubting Chris Osgood. Despite whatever perception there is of him out there, until he starts to breakdown or really craps the bed in the playoffs, I am not worrying about Detroit's goaltending so long as he's the starter. While the opposing goalie may be better than Osgood, Detroit's goaltending is no bigger concern to me than it would be if I were a fan of any other team with any other goalie in net.

Fidatelo 07-02-2009 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue (Post 2063306)
The "Is Chris Osgood a Hall of Famer" debate gets raised at least once a month on Detroit sports talk radio and more than that during hockey season.

I could care less. I can't stand Hall of Fame debates, but that's just a personal thing.

That said, I have stopped doubting Chris Osgood. Despite whatever perception there is of him out there, until he starts to breakdown or really craps the bed in the playoffs, I am not worrying about Detroit's goaltending so long as he's the starter. While the opposing goalie may be better than Osgood, Detroit's goaltending is no bigger concern to me than it would be if I were a fan of any other team with any other goalie in net.


This is fair enough, but 'solid' should not get someone in the HoF.

MikeVic 07-02-2009 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue (Post 2063282)
This is exactly the type of BS and attitude you Winnipegians trotted out against poor Thomas Steen when he was playing there.

Poor, Thomas Steen.


What!! I hope Datsyuk and Zetterberg get stuck in an Irani jail.

JonInMiddleGA 07-02-2009 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeVic (Post 2063310)
What!! I hope Datsyuk and Zetterberg get stuck in an Irani jail.


Eh, not so bad really. I mean it could be worse, you could have wished they'd end up stuck somewhere like Winnipeg.

:D

MikeVic 07-02-2009 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA (Post 2063327)
Eh, not so bad really. I mean it could be worse, you could have wished they'd end up stuck somewhere like Winnipeg.

:D


:banghead: :banghead: :mad: :mad: :rant:

Fidatelo 07-02-2009 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA (Post 2063327)
Eh, not so bad really. I mean it could be worse, you could have wished they'd end up stuck somewhere like Winnipeg.

:D


With a little luck maybe we can reserve that fate for most of the people on the Thrashers payroll... :p

Honolulu_Blue 07-02-2009 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA (Post 2063327)
Eh, not so bad really. I mean it could be worse, you could have wished they'd end up stuck somewhere like Winnipeg.

:D


Heh!

Pumpy Tudors 07-02-2009 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Draft Dodger (Post 2063265)
they still make the "they still make that" jokes?

It's the circle of life.

bbor 07-02-2009 02:16 PM

Colin White with a toothbrush in a coal mine.

Pumpy Tudors 07-02-2009 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by bbor (Post 2063365)
Colin White with a toothbrush in a coal mine.

aw shit

JonInMiddleGA 07-02-2009 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Fidatelo (Post 2063332)
With a little luck maybe we can reserve that fate for most of the people on the Thrashers payroll... :p


Hey, a lot of people on the Thrashers payroll deserve Winnipeg. You can have Dim Waddell as a freebie right now, no questions asked.

Fidatelo 07-02-2009 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA (Post 2063376)
Hey, a lot of people on the Thrashers payroll deserve Winnipeg. You can have Dim Waddell as a freebie right now, no questions asked.


Assuming he comes with the rest of the team, we'll take him! A couple of winter's up here and he'll leave of his own accord.

samifan24 07-02-2009 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Pumpy Tudors (Post 2063232)
Mark Recchi? They still make that?


I guess you didn't take a look at his numbers last year, especially his time in Boston. He can still play.

MikeVic 07-02-2009 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by samifan24 (Post 2063394)
I guess you didn't take a look at his numbers last year, especially his time in Boston. He can still play.


Pumpy's just jealous. Recchi would probably be the Devils' second-best offensive weapon behind that Parise dude right now.

Pumpy Tudors 07-02-2009 03:15 PM

Alls I'm sayin' is that Mark Recchi is old. What's next? We'll find Lyle Odelein and Cliff Ronning still suiting up somewhere?

Sorry, I'll stop. :(

MikeVic 07-02-2009 03:17 PM

I think the Leafs signed Ken Danyko.

Pumpy Tudors 07-02-2009 03:18 PM

welp guess i'm done here

Honolulu_Blue 07-02-2009 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Pumpy Tudors (Post 2063411)
welp guess i'm done here


Don't worry, Pumpy. The Devils signed Ilkka Pikkarainen yester day. Ilkka, in addition to always believing two ks are better than one, is a forward who brings size, strength and toughness to the Devils' roster.

Sounds great!

MikeVic 07-02-2009 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue (Post 2063421)
Don't worry, Pumpy. The Devils signed Ilkka Pikkarainen yester day. Ilkka, in addition to always believing two ks are better than one, is a forward who brings size, strength and toughness to the Devils' roster.

Sounds great!


Good thing he doesn't think in threes.

Pumpy Tudors 07-02-2009 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeVic (Post 2063424)
Good thing he doesn't think in threes.

Because if he did, he'd be DeToxRox.

Tekneek 07-02-2009 04:40 PM

Love how Yzerman invited Heatley. Always got room for a one-dimensional player who is a big asshole, it seems.

JonInMiddleGA 07-02-2009 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Fidatelo (Post 2063391)
Assuming he comes with the rest of the team, we'll take him! A couple of winter's up here and he'll leave of his own accord.


I dunno, I mean a tornado right by his office didn't do it, I wouldn't be so sure. And let's face it, he's not proven to be the brightest guy in the world, he might not even be smart enough to leave on his own.

DeToxRox 07-02-2009 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Pumpy Tudors (Post 2063429)
Because if he did, he'd be DeToxRox.


Pumpy Whitedors.

You've been Roxed!

Suburban Rhythm 07-02-2009 07:45 PM

Jordan Leopold to Florida 1 year $1.75M

Rob Scuderi to LA 4 year $13.6 / $3.4M per

I'll miss Scuderi...but not at $3.4M per. Perfect world, he's worth 1/2 that.


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