Whoops, let me take that back. For in-game purposes, that should have read prostitute, not hooker.

I knew plenty of whores in high school, so yeah, there is a difference.

Fouts, was not asking at all about Izulde's allegiance - but was expecting a certain district for your answer and it wasn't the one I expected. Which leads me to believe that if you are telling the truth that there are a whole bunch of ladies of the night in this game.

just finished reading up... A few good clues out there, in my opinion.

The urchins kick major ass.

You are just trying to convince yourself that there is a role in this game that will be as good as the one you had in the Lord of the Rings game. No chance, bearman.

After the Lord of the Rings game, Schmidty is no longer allowed to use the Schmidty Ploy.

Outside of the named roles, I believe there to be multiple versions of each type of villager.

This part of one of Alan's bigger post is one of the most intriguing posts all day for various reasons..anyone else notice it?

I noticed it but was pretty mystified as to what he meant.

Well I'll help you out. He is talking about the opium den, where in an opium induced slumber you have a chance of having visions that can help you out. I have that option as well in my role. It is a night action, where you can choose to visit the opium den.

good dubb, you just moved up my trust list

Well, this game is more complicated than I suspected. Then the opium dealer is probably in play? Anybody have any idea what he does? Maybe gets information on the player who visits?

Ditto.

I would say that all of us who have the option to visit the opium dealer know exactly what could result from it... and no one should say what that is or give a whole lot of info on it just yet.

I agree. There will be atime where this info, and well, all info is very useful. but I don't think right now is that time either.

Sweet. I was right about multiple versions of my "role". Gonna be tough on the bad guys.

NTN, im sorry if you take this wrongly, but your comment feels very much like a latch on. Swaggs is only a little more trusted then you becuase of earlier comments. I tend to trust only the first person who reveals it, as with all this info flying around the bad guys are desperate to latch onto something. Your posts seems like such an attempt.

The same applies for those who agreed with fouts on his 5 shillings comment.

And ill dola to add that i expect quite a few kills quite soon...chief said before the game there would be mechanisms in place to speed up the game. Therefore, i expect 2 kills a night to not be all that rare.

I'm at a loss as to when it's a good idea to reveal certain information and what dubb said kinda threw me for a loop. I mean exactly how much do we reveal?

I guess it's to one's own discretion.

*shrug*

I do realize this Blade, but that doesn't mean I should not show my agreement with a point. I am still trying to digest all that happened in the last 7 hours.

You should do whatever you think is wise..im just stating a fact that right now you are my top suspect becuase of your action

I have a question to throw out there. this Fagin...(not really read Oliver Twist) do you think that he is like the evil one's seer?
I am also wondering whether the Artful Dodger is a role or a job given out among the Orphans. If so we may see that role again.

That 37 dead villagers and counting tagline might have something to do with that...... :p

Information helps the good guys more than the bad guys. That is the way I've always played it. The more the group knows, the better it is for the good guys. I really don't think I said anything truely ground breaking.

I agree, but only if its well timed. Maybe im confusing DC...i think information is great, if shared at a time where it does more harm to evil then good. While all this info today is great, its day one and it helped them just as much as us. By sharing this info we have made they list of targets at night shorter. Now, granted, they might worry about killing other bad players, but if i were them i would be quite satisfied with the info out there right now.

Blade, I am not one who likes to give up info willingly. Swaggs comment said basically that he did not want info leaked unneccesarily. Of Course I am going to agree with that. besides I said more than just be quiet about the Opium den. I said it wasn't time to share MOST of the info.

I agree with this, and im saying pretty much the same thing in other posts...im just telling you what i felt about your post

well if nothing else Blade, you got me to elucidate more clearly what iwas trying to say too. I still claim that what idid was not just latching on to what Swaggs said.

Yeah, it's confusing at times. I guess the more I play, the more I'll get a feel for what information should be leaked and whatnot.

NTN, to be fair, being my top suspect on day 1 means nothing...i fully expect by the end of the night, when we find out who died and did what, i will have 20 more top suspects

Did anyone try their day action?

Playing as a bad guy more will help that as well..basically, ask yourself to think hard. Most positives of revealing are easy to see, but the negatives take thought. For all the trust fouts or dubb gained from me today, they also allowed the bad guys to cross players off their potential seer/bodyguard list...so its a double edged sword. Its tricky balancing giving info and playing close to your vest, but thats why its such a fun game. This is basically a big game of poker, and we all have our cards dealt to us. Now its all a matter of figuring out whos bluffing, how much you should hint at the pocket aces you were dealt, or how long you should hold onto the 2s in hopes of drawing out the guy bluffing for other players to take down.

Ok, now i just confused myself...:p

lol Blade. I imagine you are right. I know Ihave a couple of slim threads to pull at in the next couple of days.

I am wondering about Fagin though since it seems likely he is in the game. I am wondering if he kills and if so how. Although he was evil, was he ever considered a murderer? Bill Sikes was but idon't think Fagin was. I realize that probably doesn't help a whole lot and may be completely without merit. My first thoughts is that his killing might be a last resort type of thing if he can at all.

Yeah, unfortunately for me, I've been bad once... even then it wasn't a true "wolf" role since I couldn't kill anyone.

Nah, your explanation makes sense.

Wasn't there something in the rules about stealing? I wonder if that's what Fagin can do rather than kill.

quiet so far. and i hafta confess...i don't really have a good read on anything. hopefully later here on weds. i'll be able to get a handle on what's going on!

Yes Ithink it said something about the urchins stealling wallets. it does make it look possible that Fagin is a dark seer.

Hmmmm. I thought we got much more out of today than the usual day 1.

Yeah, me too. My spreadsheet is so nice and colorful from all the info I gathered :)

Spreadsheets? Ah, it's always touching to see another one of us go over the edge.....(I need to transfer my notepad info into mine!) :D

Yeah, it's mostly for votes though. There's no way I can go through some sort of document to find what I need, so creating filters in my spreadsheet facilitates narrowing down who voted for who.

Sometimes I feel like I'm the only one that has never used notepad and/or a spreadsheet to help myself out in these games. I'm old school, I do things by memory and on the fly.

does using a notepad count. :) i have used one of those when Iwas at home in games before...course that seems pretty neaderthalish now. :D

I used to also but I'm old and kept forgetting things, especially after a 7 page in one hour burst. Plus sometimes I'm stoned.

Did someone say stoned? Yeah... I want some of that

I don't mind putting myself out there to give the seers another night to scan people. Hopefully, they know what they are doing.