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Lathum 02-06-2024 11:52 AM

Is there really a world where the SC gives a sitting president absolute immunity?

I just can't see it. Should be a 9-0 decision.

Thomkal 02-06-2024 12:06 PM

oh boy Marjorie Taylor Green just held a press conference with many of her other insurrectionists where she chided the media for calling them insurrectionists because they are all lying and should be ashamed...Jim jordan and the republican judiciary committee members put out a tweet saying that president trump did nothing wrong and the case against him is ridiculous

Atocep 02-08-2024 10:46 AM

Judge Cannon's ruling on protecting witnesses and documents should be grounds to have her removed from the case. Her ruling overturns and goes against how classified information is handled, which she has no say in.

Hopefully we get an emergency injunction and Smith's team uses it to get her removed.

Thomkal 02-08-2024 01:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Atocep (Post 3425872)
Judge Cannon's ruling on protecting witnesses and documents should be grounds to have her removed from the case. Her ruling overturns and goes against how classified information is handled, which she has no say in.

Hopefully we get an emergency injunction and Smith's team uses it to get her removed.



Yeah sounds like the right time for her to be removed.

Thomkal 02-10-2024 04:39 PM

Sadly Conway is trending on twitter right now because Trump is giving a speech here at Coastal Carolina. :(

GrantDawg 02-13-2024 01:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight (Post 3425738)
Here, they said that they would NOT stay the mandate for an en banc petition. But they still gave Trump until Monday to file with the Supreme Court for a stay, so they are not prejudicing him or trying to overstep the Supreme Court. They are just not going to let him add a two-week delay for no reason

In the filing to the Supreme Court for a stay, Trump's lawyers actually ask the SC the stay to include an en banc hearing. ie. they want to the Supreme court to enforce a stay and throw it back to the appeals court to further delay any trial.

Thomkal 02-14-2024 02:17 PM

Not getting a lot of coverage from what I can see but the false elector scheme in Michigan went on trial today, and there have been some interesting reporting there.

Lathum 02-15-2024 12:40 PM


Thomkal 02-15-2024 01:30 PM

fox getting prepared to not cover Stormy Daniels/Trump trial which is now starting in late march

RainMaker 02-15-2024 01:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thomkal (Post 3426518)
Not getting a lot of coverage from what I can see but the false elector scheme in Michigan went on trial today, and there have been some interesting reporting there.


What's happening with it? How strong does the case look?

Thomkal 02-15-2024 02:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 3426594)
What's happening with it? How strong does the case look?



Kinda hard for me to judge from a non-lawyer background. I think I was mistaken also that this was the trial, but part of the pre-trial process. The Detroit newspapers seem to be covering it:


Prosecutor describes elector plot as 'conspiracy' tied to Trump team

CrimsonFox 02-15-2024 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thomkal (Post 3426596)
Kinda hard for me to judge from a non-lawyer background. I think I was mistaken also that this was the trial, but part of the pre-trial process. The Detroit newspapers seem to be covering it:


Prosecutor describes elector plot as 'conspiracy' tied to Trump team


yes but what is your opinion as a twitter, facebook, and constant forum poster?

Thomkal 02-15-2024 03:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox (Post 3426598)
yes but what is your opinion as a twitter, facebook, and constant forum poster?



They seem to have evidence that there was a conspiracy to overturn the election results in Michigan. They flipped at least one of the false electors to testify to that.

RainMaker 02-15-2024 03:43 PM

Sounds like they are admitting to committing crimes but feigning ignorance of the law?

albionmoonlight 02-16-2024 07:05 AM

Supreme Court conferencing today. All of the filings on Trump's motion for a stay pending further proceedings in his immunity appeal have been submitted.

At this point, the Court could (1) grant the stay and expedite nothing (so no trial before election); (2) deny the stay (trial almost certain before election); (3) grant the stay, but consider the motion as a petition for cert, grant that and expedite hearing it (either holding that Trump is immune or holding that he is not and then letting the trial go and then probably have the trial before the election, but it would be close).

And they could do any of those as quickly as this afternoon or as late as . . . whenever they want

albionmoonlight 02-16-2024 07:07 AM

dola: Whatever they do, I hope they speak with one voice.

And I could also see a 9-0 Trump Stays on the Ballot decision out of Colorado at the same time as a short order denying the stay in the J6 case with no noted dissents.

Lathum 02-16-2024 07:18 AM

Does anyone really think they won’t get the five votes to stay so he can run out the clock? Garland really fucked this up.

flere-imsaho 02-16-2024 07:33 AM

As much as I'd like to see him in an orange suit, I just don't see how they (or any court) can say he can't qualify for the ballot if he hasn't actually been convicted of insurrection.

albionmoonlight 02-16-2024 08:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 3426632)
Does anyone really think they won’t get the five votes to stay so he can run out the clock? Garland really fucked this up.


Justices Thomas and Alito are MAGA. They would he happy to delay.

Justice Gorsuch is a judicial arsonist. He'd vote for delay based on some reason he came up with just to prove to himself that he was smarter than everyone else.

But I still think (I'm not sure, but I think) that Justices Roberts, Kavanaugh, and Barrett might just want Trump to go away. And letting his criminal trial go forward ASAP is a way to (possibly) do that.

GrantDawg 02-16-2024 09:42 AM

I also lean that only Thomas and Alito wants an Executive branch that has power with no consequences. I don't think the other Justices are for completely cutting out the Judicial branch from the balance of power.

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GrantDawg 02-16-2024 11:32 AM

I have been listening to the Fanni Willis hearing the last two days, and the most disappointing thing I have heard is that she approached former Governor Roy Barnes to be the special prosecutor for the case and he turned it down. This all would have been quite entertaining if he had been willing to take the job. He turned it down because he had been at the end of white supremacist death threats before and he was not willing to go back to that.

Lathum 02-16-2024 11:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GrantDawg (Post 3426638)
I also lean that only Thomas and Alito wants an Executive branch that has power with no consequences. I don't think the other Justices are for completely cutting out the Judicial branch from the balance of power.

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I would hope the immunity decision would be 9-0 but I don't have faith. I can definitely see them voting for the stay to allow Trump to run out the clock.

Mota 02-16-2024 12:35 PM

As someone watching this from the outside, what is the play here? If Trump is officially the Republican nominee and he gets convicted of any of these things, doesn't that leave them without a contender?
Or does he have "immunity" if he becomes president again and then he can just wipe the slate of all these things?

albionmoonlight 02-16-2024 12:37 PM

Being convicted does not keep him off the ballot.

Jas_lov 02-16-2024 12:47 PM

There are polls that ask if Trump is convicted will you support him and a good 50% of indies and 25% of GOP say no. I just think they'll come up with some other way to rationalize it and it would still be close. Don't know how it would work if he wins. If he's President from house arrest in Maralago or if they make the VP defacto President.

Thomkal 02-16-2024 02:14 PM

judge in the Trump Org fraud case penalizes Trump about 355 million and he and Weisselberg can not operate a business in NY for 3 years, Trump's sons 2 years.

molson 02-16-2024 02:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jas_lov (Post 3426648)
Don't know how it would work if he wins. If he's President from house arrest in Maralago or if they make the VP defacto President.


I asked Chat GPT to make a treatment for a movie about such a wacky scenario, as a comedy. The president is portrayed as the good-guy protagonist - I did another one to make the president the bad guy, but, it was a little too on the nose and kind of depressing.

Spoiler

Kodos 02-16-2024 03:35 PM

I wonder if Trump is tired of all this winning yet?

CrimsonFox 02-16-2024 03:40 PM

you hate to see it

GrantDawg 02-16-2024 03:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GrantDawg (Post 3426641)
I have been listening to the Fanni Willis hearing the last two days, and the most disappointing thing I have heard is that she approached former Governor Roy Barnes to be the special prosecutor for the case and he turned it down. This all would have been quite entertaining if he had been willing to take the job. He turned it down because he had been at the end of white supremacist death threats before and he was not willing to go back to that.

Things took a bad turn for Willis at the end of the hearing. Wade's law partner who had been shielded from testifying to information about the Willis/Wade relationship prior to his hiring as special prosecutor because of attorney-client privilege made a false claim of privilege in the hearing. Sent the whole hearing into a tail-spin. Now he is going to have to testify in chambers to the judge, and if he feels that his testimony is not privileged it is likely to open a whole can of worms.

JPhillips 02-16-2024 04:09 PM

Damn, this is going to cost the Saudis some real money.

SirFozzie 02-16-2024 04:26 PM

With interest (5% for each year after the fraudulent valuations), and the defamation award, I think he needs to put up $500 MILLION to appeal, and he can't do any relationship with a bank chartered or registered in New York State. Which is pretty much like, all of them?

(Million not billion, I went from a Half-Billion to 500 Million and forgot to change the letter in front)

RainMaker 02-16-2024 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3426664)
Damn, this is going to cost the Saudis some real money.


Or the RNC.

CrimsonFox 02-16-2024 06:19 PM

Ma and pa redneck will pay for it tho

molson 02-16-2024 06:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox (Post 3426674)
Ma and pa redneck will pay for it tho


That's a lot of digital trading cards.

JonInMiddleGA 02-16-2024 07:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GrantDawg (Post 3426641)
I have been listening to the Fanni Willis hearing the last two days, and the most disappointing thing I have heard is that she approached former Governor Roy Barnes to be the special prosecutor for the case and he turned it down.


That loathsome son of a motherless whore and that bitch are the most apt tandem ever. Hellspawn and hellspawn.

My #1 goal in life remains to live long enough to piss on that bastards grave.

GrantDawg 02-16-2024 07:27 PM

Somehow I knew that would be your reaction, Jon.

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CrimsonFox 02-16-2024 07:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by molson (Post 3426675)
That's a lot of digital trading cards.


ma and pa redneck don't know nuthin 'bout no newfangled online whatchacallit...

CrimsonFox 02-16-2024 07:40 PM

why didn't they just object to all this shit since it has nothing to do with trump?

JonInMiddleGA 02-16-2024 08:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GrantDawg (Post 3426680)
Somehow I knew that would be your reaction, Jon.

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My immense hatred for Barnes is not news to anyone. There really isn't anyone on the planet I despise more.

Flasch186 02-16-2024 08:52 PM

This isn’t true


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Atocep 02-17-2024 06:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3426664)
Damn, this is going to cost the Saudis some real money.


His $400 shoes have.got this.

Thomkal 02-20-2024 01:09 PM

Peter Navarro looking to go to jail even earlier than expected:


Judge threatens ex-Trump aide Peter Navarro with contempt in records fight - POLITICO

Edward64 02-20-2024 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Atocep (Post 3426748)
His $400 shoes have.got this.


You missed a couple zeros. I can see a rich guy buying it to ingratiate himself with Trump in anticipation of his win. Cheaper than a lunch with Warren Buffet.

Quote:

Trump’s $399 sneakers are already being listed for up to $45,000 on eBay, but can they hold their value?

Atocep 02-20-2024 03:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Edward64 (Post 3426888)
You missed a couple zeros. I can see a rich guy buying it to ingratiate himself with Trump in anticipation of his win. Cheaper than a lunch with Warren Buffet.


Everything trump releases crashes in value within 6 months. His supporters eat this shit up and then no one else wants to buy it and it ends up not being worth anything.

These shoes won't be any different.

Kodos 02-20-2024 03:04 PM

But I sold my kidney to buy all of Trump's NFTs!

flere-imsaho 02-20-2024 05:57 PM

I'm kind of surprised that Truth Social still exists. I would have thought they would have missed a key infrastructure-related invoice by now.

RainMaker 02-20-2024 06:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by flere-imsaho (Post 3426904)
I'm kind of surprised that Truth Social still exists. I would have thought they would have missed a key infrastructure-related invoice by now.


They're getting loans from a Russian bank tied to Putin. They can probably operate at a loss for a long time considering foreign investment in the company is likely not about turning a profit.

JPhillips 02-26-2024 09:44 AM

lol

He stole the documents because he thought he'd get paid to return them.


CrimsonFox 02-26-2024 10:00 AM

What? lol

molson 02-26-2024 10:06 AM

That's a pretty common offense around here to steal stuff from Home Depot and then bring it to the customer service desk and get a refund.

Thomkal 02-26-2024 10:19 AM

Ha, everything is a business transaction with him-pay your dues NATO members or we won't protect you anymore. i had the right to sell them to the Saudis or whomever because they were mine

Atocep 02-26-2024 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3427244)
lol

He stole the documents because he thought he'd get paid to return them.



Hannity always gives softballs to try to help him create some wiggle room to make an argument and he just continues to not only swing and miss but dig himself into a deeper hole.

albionmoonlight 02-26-2024 11:59 AM

It's still amazing the extent to which he just had to (1) Not incite J6, and (2) not steal a bunch of stuff on his way out the door and he'd be sitting pretty and probably very very likely to win in November.

The own goals are kind of astonishing.

Lathum 02-26-2024 12:01 PM

Live look in at Trump and Hannity


flere-imsaho 02-26-2024 12:34 PM

He's not behind bars because....

CrimsonFox 02-26-2024 12:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by flere-imsaho (Post 3427254)
He's not behind bars because....


pussies?

Atocep 02-26-2024 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox (Post 3427256)
pussies?


He grabs them

Lathum 02-28-2024 07:16 AM

Not sure where to post this. Hard to believe these two upstanding humans would produce someone capable of committing crimes. I look forward to the GOP outrage.

Rep. Lauren Boebert’s son Tyler arrested, faces 22 charges after alleged thefts

thesloppy 02-28-2024 09:52 AM

Boebert crime family

Atocep 02-28-2024 10:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 3427389)
Not sure where to post this. Hard to believe these two upstanding humans would produce someone capable of committing crimes. I look forward to the GOP outrage.

Rep. Lauren Boebert’s son Tyler arrested, faces 22 charges after alleged thefts


Her political career is over. She was ignored by the other candidates in the last debate in Colorado, which means they don't see her as a threat at all.

Lathum 02-28-2024 11:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Atocep (Post 3427402)
Her political career is over. She was ignored by the other candidates in the last debate in Colorado, which means they don't see her as a threat at all.


For sure.

This actually gives her a chance to back out gracefully and for a legitimate reason, but she is too stupid to take it.

GrantDawg 02-28-2024 04:12 PM

The Supreme Court is going to hear arguments on the Presidential immunity issue. Oral arguments on April 22, and a decision is expected in June.

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GrantDawg 02-28-2024 04:20 PM

Dola: Whatever their decision, there is now a next to zero chance that any of Trump's criminal trials will happen before the election.

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JPhillips 02-28-2024 04:50 PM

Yeah. Very little chance the opinion comes out prior to the end of June and the Justice Dept. will pull the plug rather than have a trial during the Fall.

RainMaker 02-28-2024 10:14 PM

This is what happens when you wait 2 and a half years to charge him.

Lathum 02-28-2024 10:45 PM

Yup. Garland owns a lot of the blame.

Brian Swartz 02-29-2024 12:33 AM

Hail Caesar!

Ghost Econ 02-29-2024 08:51 AM

Like father, like son

https://www.newsweek.com/lauren-boeb...-tyler-1874680

Im sure they'll blame the LGBTQ+ community.

RainMaker 02-29-2024 09:41 AM

He was caught on surveillance wearing a sweatshirt with his Mom's restaurant on it. Just galaxy brain stuff.

GrantDawg 02-29-2024 10:21 AM

"He once met a trans person, so he couldn't stop himself. An illegal immigrant introduced them."

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Swaggs 02-29-2024 10:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ghost Econ (Post 3427452)
Like father, like son

https://www.newsweek.com/lauren-boeb...-tyler-1874680

Im sure they'll blame the LGBTQ+ community.


When it is all said and done, it will be interesting to see where Boebert is ranked on the all-time worst lists for congress. She has to be up there, even among a lot of contemporaries.

Thomkal 02-29-2024 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Swaggs (Post 3427470)
When it is all said and done, it will be interesting to see where Boebert is ranked on the all-time worst lists for congress. She has to be up there, even among a lot of contemporaries.



Right up there with the Anthony Weiner's :)

RainMaker 02-29-2024 06:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 3427440)
Yup. Garland owns a lot of the blame.


This is also an insane indictment just to satisfy Fox News people who fucked up and left an unencrypted live feed open on the internet.

Indictment of Florida journalist raises troubling questions - Columbia Journalism Review


Just remember that next time we hear about how Trump will shut down the press. Biden will too!

albionmoonlight 02-29-2024 06:59 PM

I’m disappointed in the Court. I thought it had more respect for the law than to become a party to Trump’s delay tactics. I was wrong.

Atocep 02-29-2024 07:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GrantDawg (Post 3427469)
"He once met a trans person, so he couldn't stop himself. An illegal immigrant introduced them."

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They actually went with covid shutdowns causing him to commit crimes.

RainMaker 02-29-2024 10:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Atocep (Post 3427511)
They actually went with covid shutdowns causing him to commit crimes.


lol they are a creative bunch.

Lathum 03-01-2024 09:08 AM

Crooked judge Cannon about to push trumps trial back in the docs case.

JPhillips 03-01-2024 10:00 AM

There aren't going to be any more trials of Trump. He's won this round.

kingfc22 03-01-2024 10:26 AM

He will never face any real punishment for his crimes. Not sure why anyone is surprised at this point.

Can’t wait for the crimes that will highlight his second presidency because he knows he will get away with it and that is exactly where we are headed

CrimsonFox 03-08-2024 08:28 AM

Trump's delays are over. He officially has to pay the 83+ million for the Carroll defamation case or else post bond. The judge said no to any delays and that he has had since January to organize his finances because this was always a possible outcome. No more delays.

I am sure he will counter by dedaming Carroll again

CrimsonFox 03-08-2024 01:37 PM

A London judge ordered trump to pay his legal fees for his failed attempt to sue someone. Came to $300000. Ya know he soooo hates people saying things about him and being told what to do. Billionaires are sick people. Even tho they have all this money they are psychos about getting rid of even one dollar.

Lathum 03-08-2024 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox (Post 3428101)
A London judge ordered trump to pay his legal fees for his failed attempt to sue someone. Came to $300000. Ya know he soooo hates people saying things about him and being told what to do. Billionaires are sick people. Even tho they have all this money they are psychos about getting rid of even one dollar.


He doesn't have as much money as he wants us to think, at least not liquid.

It is going to be a great day when he has to start selling property.

bronconick 03-08-2024 04:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox (Post 3428090)
Trump's delays are over. He officially has to pay the 83+ million for the Carroll defamation case or else post bond. The judge said no to any delays and that he has had since January to organize his finances because this was always a possible outcome. No more delays.

I am sure he will counter by dedaming Carroll again


$92 million bond paid by probably Orban, Musk, or the RNC after Lara Trump became co-chair today.

CrimsonFox 03-08-2024 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 3428106)
He doesn't have as much money as he wants us to think, at least not liquid.

It is going to be a great day when he has to start selling property.


yup...as much as billionaires are pussies about giving up just one cent, I am surprised anyone wants to pay his fees.

RainMaker 03-08-2024 05:04 PM

He'll just get a "loan" from the Saudis or one of the banks he uses for money laundering. It's really not a big deal.

Thomkal 03-15-2024 08:16 AM

judge in the Georgia disqualify DA Willis has ruled in part for each side-didn't see any of the conflict of interests trump was making, did not find witness testimonies compelling but for the sake of propriety either Willis and her whole team steps down or assistant DA Wade who had the relationship with her-not heard what Willis has decided on this:


https://twitter.com/KatiePhang/statu...20846808215951

GrantDawg 03-15-2024 10:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thomkal (Post 3428575)
judge in the Georgia disqualify DA Willis has ruled in part for each side-didn't see any of the conflict of interests trump was making, did not find witness testimonies compelling but for the sake of propriety either Willis and her whole team steps down or assistant DA Wade who had the relationship with her-not heard what Willis has decided on this:


https://twitter.com/KatiePhang/statu...20846808215951

Nothing official, and I guess they could appeal but I doubt they will. Letting Wade go is the simplest solution. Interestingly the judge also says that if by appeal the judge panel does decide Willis should be forced off the case, that it wouldn't technically disqualify her whole office. Because the decision would be based on "appearance of impropriety" and not proven impropriety that it wouldn't be enough to remove the whole office.

flere-imsaho 03-15-2024 12:43 PM

The irony of the comparison in levels of impropriety between what Wade & Willis did vs. what the case is actually about is yet another signifier in the decline and fall of American democracy.

GrantDawg 03-15-2024 05:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by flere-imsaho (Post 3428621)
The irony of the comparison in levels of impropriety between what Wade & Willis did vs. what the case is actually about is yet another signifier in the decline and fall of American democracy.

No it is not. First of all, there has never been a comparison of the two. What is happening is called "due process." It is a very common defense tactic to try to disqualify a prosecutor. It usually goes no where but then prosecutors usually don't do things as blatantly stupid as this one did. To not hear this challenge would have been a mistake and probably grounds for a new trial on appeal, regardless of how much you and I dislike the defendant. Saving democracy doe not included throwing out jurisprudence.

GrantDawg 03-15-2024 05:41 PM

Dola: Wade officially resigned.

flere-imsaho 03-16-2024 10:25 AM

I feel there's an unambiguous dichotomy between the coverage of Willis/Wade's impropriety and that of the impropriety found in the case that's actually being prosecuted, to say nothing of the greater universe of impropriety attributed to Trump and his ecosystem. And I think that's a problem for society and for democracy. And I wish I could figure out how to solve it.

Lathum 03-16-2024 11:29 AM

The problem with trumps degeneracy is that it’s been normalized because there is constant barrage. There are literally hundreds of things he has said and done that would disqualify anyone else but we just shrug it off as Trump being Trump.

Ksyrup 03-16-2024 02:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 3428753)
The problem with trumps degeneracy is that it’s been normalized because there is constant barrage. There are literally hundreds of things he has said and done that would disqualify anyone else but we just shrug it off as Trump being Trump.


It's not just that - it's that the 2-party system is so big and ingrained into our society that calling out "one side" for what they are is automatically seen as being biased. Journalism is no longer about telling the truth no matter who it hurts - it's about clicks and maximum engagement. So the media is required to "both sides" everything and normalize Trump because Trump is going to be one of the two major parties' nominee. And you can't risk losing money for your investors by telling 49.9% (or 50.1%) of Americans that the politician they adore (or at best, will hold their nose and vote for because of the R behind his name) is a POS and a danger to the country.

But yes, the Sideshow Bob nature of Trump is also a pretty compelling reason to keep covering him because of the clicks he generates.

PilotMan 03-17-2024 09:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 3428753)
The problem with trumps degeneracy is that it’s been normalized because there is constant barrage. There are literally hundreds of things he has said and done that would disqualify anyone else but we just shrug it off as Trump being Trump.



I'd actually like to see deep fakes of Biden saying things trump has said just to prove the point.

Atocep 03-18-2024 11:14 AM

Trump officially told the courts this morning that he can't raise the money to appeal his NY case. More than 30 companies have said no to the loan. He's begging an appeals court for a pause on the judgement.

albionmoonlight 03-18-2024 11:22 AM

It does seem weird that no one is willing to front the bond.

This guy has a ~50% shot at becoming President, and he's said that he'll hold the office like a vengeful dictator.

Seems like at least one company/Saudi Arabian sheik/Russian oligarch, etc. would be willing to take the bet of him winning and being on his good side.

CrimsonFox 03-18-2024 11:31 AM

So I have no idea what this whole bond thing is about?
What is it? How does it work?

And why were people so shocked that he paid the one for the other case?

albionmoonlight 03-18-2024 11:36 AM

In short:

Someone gets a money judgment against you. You can appeal, but while the appeal is pending, they can start collecting from you (and would pay you back if you win the appeal). But if you post a bond, then they cannot start collecting from you.

To get the bond, you put up, like, 10% of the judgment amount and/or some collateral and the company puts up a bond with the court for the full amount. Then, if you lose the appeal and your assets have suddenly vanished overseas, they can collect their money from the bond company (who can then sue you for it, but if it has gotten to that point, good luck).

Atocep 03-18-2024 11:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight (Post 3428926)
It does seem weird that no one is willing to front the bond.

This guy has a ~50% shot at becoming President, and he's said that he'll hold the office like a vengeful dictator.

Seems like at least one company/Saudi Arabian sheik/Russian oligarch, etc. would be willing to take the bet of him winning and being on his good side.


It's still quite the risk if you don't think this number is getting reduced and have no confidence in Trump ever paying you back. No one wants to bet on the guy that has screwed every person over that he's come in contact with.


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