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God I'd forgotten how hard work it is trying to follow this on a tablet. Stupid technology.
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So it's clear to everyone, the choices today are:
A. Fix Schmidty (only medical folks should pick this) B. Finish making biodome (probably only Saldana and two other engineering type folks should be here, no more than 3) C. Vote for one of the following for everyone else's project: 1. Gather supplies (otherwise possible food shortage D1+2) 2. Choose next major project (govt / research / medical) 3. Fix communicator. Sorry if it's redundant, for folks that aren't able to check the thread a lot, I think it's helpful for a summary. |
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C should be vote for the next project (fix communicator, build government, build research center, build medical center) D would be gather supplies or put all not on A and B into creating whatever it is that you select in C. If you choose supplies, then what you vote for in C will be worked on tomorrow. If you choose to work on that project it will most likely be completed today and tomorrow you can move on to the next options. |
I'm still not really sure what we're supposed to be voting on or who's supposed to be deciding what stuff. If we try to mend the comm system, what are the negative results? Do we gather less supplies? I've got no overview of the cost-benefits of whatever actions we have.
We have 21 people able to do stuff - 3 to fix the biodome, say 2 to help Schmidty. 16 people left. Do all of those have to commit to collecting supplies or building the next facility? |
Think of D as a choice that you may get in a Civ game when you stumble upon a pod that can allow you to complete your current research or use it for supplies.
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Vote:Gather food
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Oh yeah I suspect Schmidty might have been punished for not voting. So I suggest everyone votes.
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You have two definite votes.
What will you work on next (fix communicator, create government, create research facility, create medical facility). Will you gather supplies or work on what you choose from above? The other two things depend upon your leader. You either need to decide who will work on completing the biodome and helping Schmidty OR your leader will make that call and you won't have to worry about that decision. |
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i can't even see this subforum on my phone. |
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ah that's right. Those ARE the vote choices. vote Gather supplies |
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Ah-ha that's much clearer. So in effect we can see the options as build government, research, medical or communicator. I'm all in for the rearch center then. D Vote hurry next project |
in case this is needed:
rebuilding schmidty -> vote autumn, chief rum, ntndeacon biodome -> vote grover, saldana, raven |
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Someone not on a tablet might want to get a vote count up and running.
My thoughts are that we have the biodome as a buffer. If we get the science facility up and running we can start researching stuff to get us an edge on the situation. Seems that a medical facility is reactive while research is proactive. Dunno what the government facility will actually do. Obviously I'm biased towards science but I still think its the way forward. |
focus on next building: grover(773), narcizo (812)
Gather supplies/food: sharknado (806), crimsonfox (811), jackal (814) |
As of post 815
Project Research Center 5 - Narcizo (674), Grover (729), The Jackal (736), Sharkn20 (768), CrimsonFox (770) Medical Center 2 - timmae (725), Autumn (763) Government 2 - Thomkal (758), JAG (765) Fix Communications 0 Effort Next Build 3 - Autumn (763), Grover (773), Narcizo (812) Gather Supplies 2 - Sharkn20 (806), CrimsonFox (811), The Jackal (814) No Vote 3 - timmae (725), Thomkal (758), JAG (765) Biodome Workers Grover 1 - Crimsonfox (813) saldana 1 - CrimsonFox (813) Raven 1 - CrimsonFox (813) Medics for Schmidty Chief Rum (appointed by fontisian) Autumn (appointed by fontisian) Yet to Vote Chief Rum, britrock88, Suicane75, Schmidty, fontisian, ntndeacon, saldana, GoldenEagle, DanGarion, Raven, Danny, Shoveler, Zinto |
Sorry for all the confusion. Hopefully that will ease as the game continues.
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oh goody, EF is letting us be lazy! :) thanks bud
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Thanks EF. Biodome - Saldana, Grover, Jackal Schmidty - Autumn, Chief Rum, ntndeacon |
you got one thing wrong. i said raven for biodome, not ntndeacon. i voted for deacon to work on the six million dollar schmidty
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CF, ntndeacon is a medical person, don't think he should be on the biodome. I think it's going to be engineering needed there.
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Oh, well never mind.
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Effort - next build
Create Government |
Biodome: Grover, saldana, Danny
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It says Raven... :D |
EF, can we volunteer for a job...if i say i want to work on the biodome, does it really need to be voted on?
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Biodome - Saldana, Grover, Jackal
Schmidty - Autumn, Chief Rum I think 2 is enough for Schmidty and I doubt its not going to help if he doesn't show up anyway. A meteorite will probably fall on his head. |
As of post 828
Project Research Center 5 - Narcizo (674), Grover (729), The Jackal (736), Sharkn20 (768), CrimsonFox (770) Medical Center 2 - timmae (725), Autumn (763) Government 2 - Thomkal (758), JAG (765) Fix Communications 0 Effort Next Build 4 - Autumn (763), Grover (773), Narcizo (812), JAG (824) Gather Supplies 2 - Sharkn20 (806), CrimsonFox (811), The Jackal (814) No Vote 3 - timmae (725), Thomkal (758) Biodome Workers Grover 4 - Crimsonfox (813), JAG (820), Grover (825), Narcizo (828) saldana 4 - CrimsonFox (813), JAG (820), Grover (825), Narcizo (828) The Jackal 2 - JAG (820), Narcizo (828) Raven 1 - CrimsonFox (813) Danny 1 - Grover (825) Medics for Schmidty Chief Rum (appointed by fontisian) Autumn (appointed by fontisian) Yet to Vote Chief Rum, britrock88, Suicane75, Schmidty, fontisian, ntndeacon, saldana, GoldenEagle, DanGarion, Raven, Danny, Shoveler, Zinto |
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You must vote for all of the following (though font, at some unknown disadvantage, can do the first two if needed): A. Choose who, if anyone, tries to heal Schmidty.Schmidty (preferably medical folks). No limit but more may hinder our efforts elsewhere. B. Choose three players to finish making the biodome (probably engineerimg types preferred) C. Vote to put effort towards one of the following for everyone else's project: 1. Gather Supplies 2. Other project. D. If we vote for another project, what project should be worked on? 1. Create next major project (govt / research / medical) 2. Fix communicator. |
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Either voted, or you can volunteer and fontisian can appoint you. That way someone doesn't volunteer that everyone thinks shouldn't be working on it. |
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the boldfaced name should be grover. |
I guess unless font withdraws her appointment (if possible), the doctors for Schmidty vote does not matter.
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it's more D. 1. gov 2. research 3. medical 4. comminicator |
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Correct. If she does that I will be scrambling to count those votes up. :) |
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You just have your red pen out today don't you? ;) |
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I'm running for Head of Bureau of Bureaucracy :) |
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Your and Shoveler's points are well-taken. It stuck out that this situation could have arisen from a proposal similar to mine, but it certainly doesn't have to have been that way. |
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I would have lost my own voting strength for the Sheriff position (the one I had aspirations for). |
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No leads, no special items or abilities. Sigh. But I'd be happy to help out inasmuch as you need people to do so. |
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Maybe Danny, too? Just going by memory. |
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Project: Government Effort: Gather Supplies Biodome Workers: Grover, saldana, Raven |
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Danny voted at 9:58 PM |
Heal Schmidty
Vote for Focus on Next Project Vote Communications for Next Project |
EagleFan: I haven't appointed anyone to anything yet?
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volunteer to build biodome
vote build research center vote gather supplies |
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biodome: jackal, saldana, grover
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I'd suggest we pick our 3 BioDome workers from this group. I think we've agreed that the skills most likely required would be Engineering and Physical strength. If we want to go heavy on Engineering (Danny & Jackal?) but both come at the cost of physical strength. If we want to go heavy on Strength (bitrock & JAG?), but comes at the cost of Engineering. |
Just throwing this out there, is it overkill to use all our best engineers on the project that's almost done? If we're working on another project, do we need more engineering muscle there?
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Project - Medical Center
Effort - Gather Supplies Biodome Workers - Jackal, Danny, JAG |
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font, EF seems to be taking that request or in-thread thinking out loud as an order. |
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Maybe? I've considered the idea that they may require a "rest" period after this project, so would have to sit out the next project. |
Vote: Other Project - Research Facility
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Just curious but why are we in a hurry? I'm not exactly sure the effects of skipping food but didn't EF say there were consequences for not eating today? I think maybe once the biodome is up we probably won't have to do the supply run thing as much (altho that's a complete guess it makes sense). (I keep picturing all of us going to the Mars Taco Bell for these supplies. I mean there's gotta be one here, right?) |
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Meaning if voting turns towards working on next project instead of gathering supplies? I wonder how that works, since there's no current action to assign people to the next project, but it could potentially also be finished today? |
Nah... Mars Cheese Castle. Google it.
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:thumbsup: I've been there! |
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If Schmidty doesn't show up toDay, will he be replaced? If not, I am very reluctant to devote any resources to him. I would like the various elected officials to be a little more openly honest about their options and abilities. |
vote project Research Center
vote effort Next Build vote biodome workers Grover, DanGarion, Timmae |
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You realize you excluded me from that list... right? I have physical strength. |
vote next project
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What do you know, Mars really is red. :) |
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Mostly everyone on the list is either good/great at engineering, or great physical strength. You and I have likely similar physical strength (both good), and little engineering skills. It would be terrible to put both of us on the project, and putting us both on the list possibly just splits votes. Since I am a farmer, and that experience may be useful in the establishing the BioDome, I don't think you'd be valuable to the project. No offense - I'm sure there will be plenty of roles more appropriate to you in the future. |
I don't like the idea of just two working on Schmidty in case one of our fine doctors is working against us. I have no reason to suspect any at this point in the game, but having 3 working on him feels safer to me.
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I really think that we should try to reestablish communications today. Knowing information from wherever we get it would be good.
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Well, we have at least three medical folks. If we use two and Schmidt dies, we can just gas both the doctors and know we have a safe one in reserve :) |
And we are going to want the communicator up if we end up sending people out of our base of operations so we can maintain contact with them,
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Thanks! it would help if you vote for the next project to be the govt creation, if you haven't already, otherwise I have no tasks for you right now. |
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:jester: yes we're off to a roaring start if we're suggesting things like "well we should kill our doctors in case they're against us. hahahahahahaha |
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That is probably a good point, does the comm equipment do more than just talking to Earth? I don't see communicating with Earth as a real priority. We know we have someone that shouldn't be here, and yes Earth can probably assist in that to a degree. But beyond that, what else can communicating with Earth do for us in this colony? If the equipment is only for communicating with Earth and given the labor/time constraints we are under, I don't see this as a valuable project in the first few days. If this equipment is also used by the colonists, then my opinion changes and this is a huge resource that we need ASAP. |
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That's a good point JAG, we will likely need engineering help if we build something like the medical or research facility. |
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I was wrong I looked back at the item list and it doesn't say anything about colonists using it to communicate with each other. I still assume that it is important but maybe not the most important thing. |
As of post 874
Project Research Center 8 - Narcizo (674), Grover (729), The Jackal (736), Sharkn20 (768), CrimsonFox (770), saldana (846), timmae (847), Shoveler (854) Government 3 - Thomkal (758), JAG (765), britrock88 (842) Fix Communications 1 - Autumn (844) Medical Center 1 - Raven (851) Effort Next Build 7 - Autumn (763), Grover (773), Narcizo (812), JAG (824), timmaee (847), Shoveler (854), Thomkal (863) Gather Supplies 6 - Sharkn20 (806), CrimsonFox (811), The Jackal (814), britrock88 (842), saldana (846), Raven (851) Biodome Workers Grover 6 - Crimsonfox (813), JAG (820), Grover (825), Narcizo (828), britrock88 (842), The Jackal (848) saldana 6 - CrimsonFox (813), JAG (820), Grover (825), Narcizo (828), britrock88 (842), The Jackal (848) The Jackal 4 - JAG (820), Narcizo (828), The Jackal (848), Raven (851) Raven 2 - CrimsonFox (813), britrock88 (842) Danny 2 - Grover (825), Raven (851) JAG 1 - Raven (851) Medics for Schmidty Chief Rum (appointed by fontisian???) - tentative Autumn (appointed by fontisian???) - tentative Yet to Vote Chief Rum, Suicane75, Schmidty, fontisian, ntndeacon, GoldenEagle, DanGarion, Danny, Zinto |
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Sorry, I read that wrong. I will add the question marks for the post for now while you decide. |
For the biodome, did anyone have a background in construction? That might be a good candidate to assist in the build in the event there are skills we are not aware of involved in completing these tasks.
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how do you know that last one is safe though? :D |
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I too wondered if this was just communication with Earth-I think EF said it was earlier this afternoon? (too lazy to go check) |
as for the doctors and biodome workers, the leaders of each staff involved with them have already announced who they would like to be working with them, so I say "President" Fontisan go with them and officially appoint them unless she has some objections.
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Be back later
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With the blood of the first colonists? ;) |
UNVOTE Next Project
VOTE Gather Supplies I know I originally said I wanted to get the Research Center done second, but the more I'm thinking about it, the more I think we should HAVE some supplies, especially food. I'm not sure what the consequences of a food shortage are (some of us not surviving? Starving? Needing more medical attention?) But I don't want to find out. |
Vote: Gather Supplies
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Good point, another decent argument for today's project to be government, which of all the available projects probably requires the least, if any, input from engineers. |
Appoint: Grover, Saldana and JAG to the Biodome
Autumn and Chief Rum to Healing Schmidty Two strong engineering types for the biodome, with a physical back-up in case that's important. I'm tempted to take one of the two people off of Schmidty. Thoughts? |
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I can see the case for leaving two with him. We don't know the extent of his injuries, or what his health level has dropped to. Then again, we still haven't heard hide or hair of Schmidty since before landing on the planet. Is it unreasonable to say that we could let him go? |
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That's a lot of blood if so. :D |
What's Jag got to do...got to do with it?
I thought Jackal was the engineer. |
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Good God, man, have you no heart? |
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Our engineers don't have significant physical stats, and it's possible that there's a physical component necessary to get the Biodome up and running. JAG has a high physical stat. If we agree that physical is unlikely to come into play, then I'll replace him with Jackal. |
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I'm an engineer. I don't let emotion cloud my thinking. This is a serious operation in an alien territory that no other group of humans have survived in successfully. If someone is not at their absolute best from the get-go, especially when we don't currently have the medical facilities, why try and save them when the resources can be better used elsewhere. Call me callous, but one less person means an easier rationing of food and supplies, living space, etc. We don't even know anything about Schmidty at this point. It's as if he hasn't existed at all to this point. Sure, he landed on Mars with us, but he has contributed nothing to the cause. |
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"Here is a comprehensive list of people that have the skills to do the biodome" - conveniently leaves me off list because I have the skills as them. Um... ok. |
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Survival and heart don't really go together. |
okay off for real this time, but wanted to make sure you understand why I'm voting for govt creation-I believe that doing so will either give me powers or options to build things I will need if I'm going to be able to do my job as sheriff and keep you all safe.
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I am glad at least one person is on the same page as I am about this. |
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Critical condition and with no medical facility. I would not recommend less than two people. In a situation where we have some who is MIA, I prefer to plan that the person in question will show up or be replaced and so we should try to save them if it's possible. |
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I agree. As much as it stinks he isn't here right now he is still an asset. We can always heal him up and use him as a supply gatherer or a builder. I also think it will be a good idea to get a gauge on how well our doctors are going to be at healing without a medical facility. |
Project Government
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