Yea, random.org picked Brit for the night 2 kill I think. It was on fire this game.

I kinda like the idea of making more rules random. Random tie rule out of four choices before the game begins, random for each role, etc. You know, push it to the next level!

My thought after JAG's sacrifice was "I sure hope his feeling about CF is right," because the worst thing that could happen there was what in fact was the case. That's what I get for trusting JAG...

it did believe me. i missed a lot of their discussion. NO lie that i've been working 2 jobs and am sick.my access hasn't been great.

Yeah - I had a busy day so I couldn't really reflect on it until I did, and then I had to think it through and game it out and make sure of things, and then get the other two to come along. :)

Here's the PM I sent to Autumn Night 1.


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Originally Posted by spleen1015
I will scan DaddyTorgo.

OMG. So many PMs.

CF missed out on half the convo.

I did that for jungle book. 4 different outcomes, two of which were randomly picking people.

AWESOME!

Thank god we got ya!!! :D

Yes, having a villager fake reveal as bodyguard is not something I expected to happen. LoL

Thanks. I enjoyed it as well. Being a wolf is more fun and I think I am better at it.

Yes htat was quite an amusing night to watch play out. I was feeling bad for the wolves who were about to get outed, and then boom.

Yeah - we could have lost 2/3 of the wolves there on the first day. Jeebus.

Did JAG send you a PM explaining his play? It is amazing how this game was almost flipped on its head. A matter of minutes plus players showing up on day 1.

There is a much more complex, and random, version of this game I am thinking of running in the future. Basically everyone has not a role but a set of probablities for what role they have, that eventually collapse into reality. Everyone will hate it.

I will love it.

BTW, Autumn, if I have one critique for you, it's that the balance of power just seemed to be tipped very far in the wolves' direction (at 3-9-1). Being the BG, I was hoping and praying we were in Game 1 until Sui turned up as the hunter.

I have a name for that game idea. :)

I think it wouldn't have seemed like that nearly as much with a seer in the game, but I agree. These sets weren't all balanced. The uncertainty of what set is in play is what is meant to balance it out somewhat. Nobody knows if there's a seer, for instance, or the wolves can't know if there's a cultist or not, they don't know if they need to deal with a Hunter or not. So once it became clear what game it was, it did tip in the wolves favor definitely.

and really my whole point today about calling mau a liar was to convince brit that he was indeed lying as at that point I really did think he wasn't the BG and the fact he falserevealed a lot helped. Didn't expect him to blow up so much. especially when he himself has kinda been in people's faces a little this game. Heck I caught all kinds of crap this game. *shruig* it's all game.

I dunno - we were almost down to 1-9-1 after night 1, if we hadn't had 1 late vote and a lucky nightkill.

Calling someone a liar is always fine in Werewolf. It's the wording you used that was an issue.

and when we hit both tough hunter AND the wolf cub day 2. That was a bad day

Yeah, Version 4 was the kind of "this could go any which way, and will" game.

See again, things didn't work out this way -- if you had hit the Hunter before the wolf cub was gone, that would have left things still very unclear. People would be worrying about conversion, but also unsure if there was even a Hunter in the game, or a bodyguard.

Basically I'm saying you guys suck for catching all the roles early.

Oh, and after learning I was teh Cultist, i pm'd Autumn and inquired if it was a joke, to which he basically responded, Life may be a joke, this is not. I laughed out loud for twenty seconds.

What would have made it interesting was if on death you only found out if they were good or bad, not what role they were.

lol, glad you liked that

Is there any sort of website that like...helps GM's balance games?

um this one?

LOL

You opened the box?? Dude, those are worth millions now!

Lol. Thats all I gotta say.

Who was bg ?

I haven't found anything really in that sense, partly because there are so many variations on how people play.

I do refer to some of hte basic rulesets used a lot on Boardgame Geek. They have a simple 9 player, a "perfect" 11 player, etc. So you can get a sense from there. But like us they like to experiment, so not everything is balanced.

I think you can get solid advice if you use very few roles, but once you start adding them, it gets dicey.

Someone actually did a statistical paper on Werewolf balance I found. Without any roles, basically, they found that the number of wolves should equal the square root of the number of players approximately. But once you add even one role to that, the numbers get much trickier they found.

I loved that even though the game was essentially resolved today, nobody really knew who the bodyguard was.

And at times the wolves were unsure about the cultist. They had been sure it was Abe, and then things got all crazy and they weren't sure any longer. Ithink the villagers should have tried to reveal as cultist before Abe did. That would have made things difficult.

I usually just bounce my ruleset off people that I find out aren't playing that have run a lot of games (like abe, hoops, etc). I totally recommend getting feedback on rulesets

i was totally sure it was abe by day 3. was too obvious. Everything else was just villagers eating villagers.

why does abe keep sayin he loves me?

granted i wasn't involved in all of the wolf discussion. just tried not to get lynched.

:)

who doesn't...

Freakin' A. I start off the game and DT 'pings' me and he's all like "that happened last game, too.."

lol

I'm never saying another thing toward you as a wolf mau. You always read me :P. you have autumn's number too.

Ah, well.

I don't love you, CF. AT least not for about 2 more minutes.

I thought you needed a lil love after some of teh heat that came at ya

I was so proud of my plan this morning to reveal as the BG in an attempt to lure out the Cultist to fake reveal as well.

I knew it was the only way we'd have a chance with it looking like that I was going to get slammed in a 7-1 vote (which I did anyway but only because it was a joke to do so). After realizing that we had no chance around mid-day it was all downhill from there. But the plan semi-worked with Abe flat out coming out that he was the cultist. Which, of course, the game was pretty much over.

It was a funny evening though, despite my rantings..

Well now that you say that...... bring the oils over to my place!

As I said to you, it was a classic Mauboy move. I've often thought of fake revealing as a villager, but never found a time it would work. I wonder if you had revealed as cultist what would have happened.

It's getting steamy in here.

I'm out of here. I hope someone takes this momentum and maybe gets started on signups for a big game after the holiday.

I do love everyone though. I miss players like St Cronin, BK, tanglewood and Tyrith. I'd love to see some gigantantic WW game with like 50 players who have played in the past and now, and some of the newer players as well!

True, that would have been the better route but it would have had the same end result.

It was more fun this way confusing the shit out of simbo and brit.

Well, another awfully bad played game for Mau! Another one to remember... err, forget I mean!

I would love to see the ruleset for a 50 player game.
Would also be curious to see how long it would run.
Finally, would be awesome to bring back a number of the old-timers who aren't around anymore - but I fear some of the names above have moved on from FOFC entirely, not just our sub-forum.

I know, but still....

You'd have to run multiple factions. Like some of the old survivor-style games with multiple threads I'd think. Although you could do it in one thread I guess...

I'm ready, but I have a January class from 7-11 that has 40 hours of lectures in there plus quizzes and presentations and such. I won;t be able to go until January 14 at the earliest, that monday. So someone else should step in.

A gargantuan game like that would require multiple sub-games, I think. Have four different games going that will then interact. We've done multi-thread games before of course. And I have one in the works, but not one for that many people.

I thoink I could come up with a 50 player ruleset, let me see.....



How about a 50 player Dungeon III?????



:eek:

Yes!

Or a giganto superheroes one...

Superheroes would be a good idea, battling on different worlds. A big crossover event. Once it gets down to X players in each then they all converge in one game.

I think the Beyonder is probably behind it all.

Or battling each other on one gameworld. Bawhaha!!

With an "evil faction" that crossed across the different universes/groups of superheroes.

Yeah but then people aren't interacting, and that's the point. I don't want SnDvls to come back only to have him in another thread with Dodgerchick and Neon Chaos.

I miss SunnyD.

By the worse, curse you JAG for making me re-read that role reveals game all over again.

Actually a fun game, and I had just about completely forgotten about it, but what a timesuck it is going back to old games.

If that game happens, I'll find a way to play regardless of schedule.

And then lament it when I realize how hard it is to keep up with a thread that has 50 freaking players in the game :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

And I will write up 3 page writeups a night!

The unluckiest thing about your reveal, mau, is that it appears the only people you confused were the villagers! CR followed you because I didn't reveal, and Simbo and I didn't buy it, but ended up getting manipulated into sticking our votes on you anyway.

many of your instincts were right on the money. What I was trying to say was if you get in people's faces and repeatedly yell at them to vote your way, then they just aren't going to vote your way. It just seemed you were getting over the top a bunch to brit and such. Now whether that is actual your gaming style...to get overly emotional to make people believe you, well that's fine I guess but remember if you do that you have to accept people doing that to you and not get upset when that happens. Granted if you thought I was a wolf, why did you get so upset at me calling you a lying piece of shit (as I really only used that language in fun cause you talk that way all the time and I'd figured you'd go along with it and fire back since you seemed to know all the time I was a wolf). And pming me was kind of a shock. note i know all you said was "WTF" but you know you shouldn't pm me.
I know it was emotions and stuff cause I didn't mean anything really. Even the really rude comment was all wolf talk to debunk your story.

it was pretty fascinating that math won out in the end. I pointed out the 4/4 thing the day before but we kinda forgot about that until abe forced us to USE MATH (math...math...math...)

Got ya.

so was al;l that blowing up and shit all game or were you really pissed?

or kinda both?

Danny! hey!

night all

I didn't, but it wasn't that hard a decision when no one else moved to break the tie. I figured a tie was bad for the village because 50% of the time there was no kill, which is a waste of a lynch (remember I had no idea what game it was, 50% of the time it was a seerless game in which no information would be death for the village), the other 50% of the time would be both dying. CF had a better than even chance to be a villager and had a better chance than me to have a role, I didn't want to potentially put the village in that deep a hole after a day.
Also, I felt a bit guilty being alive because I knew Simbo was a vanilla villager due to how he checked in, so it was a easy way to take myself out of the equation.

Obviously it didn't work out, but I would make that play again in that circumstance.

Good game wolves and thanks for running it Autumn. I liked the idea of the game.

you knew simbo was a vanilla villager? how?

and thanks for game autumn!

I do actually like your idea of making individual roles a probability. Put even more mystery into it. as long as death reveals are explicit. cause this one, the wolves knew on day 2 what game we were playing. the rest on day 3. Maybe that's enough time anyway as games don't always last very long.

I saw the above when I went back to review the thread. Vanilla villagers got the message "You are a simple villager", so there was pretty much no way he used that phrase accidentally. I had PM'ed Autumn earlier when it hit me that could've been a problem but hadn't noticed that post of Simbo's the first go-around.

Even though I'm not sure there was anything very different I could or should have done I do need to offer a mild apology because I was pretty intimidated right from the start and didn't interact that much. It's like being thrown on a baseball team and not knowing if the guy on 1st is a base stealer and whether I should take a few pitches or if my SS is a great fielder and I'm the 2nd basemen so I break the wrong way on a ground ball. Hell of an analogy, I know.

I also had no real idea what to do after the 2nd nk didn't work. I was pretty sure I was the target and then when Boo jumped on me right away in the morning I had a dozen scenarios running through my head. He's obviously a wolf, a wolf wouldn't be so obvious, what do I do.....ARGHHH. If I said anything too obvious the wolves would know I was the hunter but then again they probably knew anyway.

Anyway, I'm definitely down to play again and get more familiar with both the game and the players.

My mind set at that time was that the game was over and we were all joking around with our reveals. Not everyone really understood that the game was indeed 100% over unless not all the wolves voted.

If I wanted it to happen I would have easily convinced the other two that the vote needed to be on you but I was done playing because I had exhausted myself all morning/early afternoon only to be disappointed when I realized the game was over. So by the time you said that.. I was like, whaaat, because I wasn't playing the game anymore.

There's definitely a learning curve, but you and booradley did fine. No need to apologize!

We weren't 100% sure you were the hunter, but even if you were you were going to be the target of the next night kill, because either you were the hunter and we'd get you then, or you had been guarded by the BG and he couldn't guard you again.

It could have played out interestingly if Suicane revealed at that time leaving the wolves scrambling about who to hit next. The BG would have put the block on you and they would have been forced to go elsewhere. It still would have likely left us with a villager dead; but if the you guys tried to get him anyway and the BG got the block, that would have made Day 4 a whole lot more interesting.

He had no way of knowing if he had blocked an attack or if the BG had though...

I play like once a year. Other than the Hobbit game where I typoed my name and everyone thought I was a wolf on day one, I've never died this early. So, I'll have to play in the next one.

Obviously, I was disappointed to die night 1 being the seer, even more so know that I know DT was a wolf.

The game would have been much different.

Yeah all hind sight. No way he should reveal.

I just did that to end the game. We were screwed. :D

I did think mau was a wolf at the start of the day though.

That's funny! I might have subliminally thought about that but I didn't intentionally rolehint. Still, good catch though.

Reading yesterday, I thought Simbo was the BG rather than Brit.

Can we get WOLVES WIN placed in the title so I can stroke my ego a bit?

Yes, I'll change it now. I like to leave it a mystery for a while for people catching up.

Yes, I think Brit managed to stay under the radar there. That's why I didn't want to just call the game, I think with the confusion there was still a chance that things would go sideways.

btw, thanks for drawing attention to me and my posts. Thanks for that. ;)

Oh come on. If yo'ure going to come in here and talk about new players acting all silly, you're going to get called on it ;-)