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stevew 05-11-2009 08:56 PM

Is this the easiest 2 round draw in NBA history? The Cavs have won all 8 games by double digits. Should be a nice 5 day break for our older guys.

miami_fan 05-11-2009 09:06 PM

If I see one more defender just run out the way and give away easy baskets I am going to scream!

Groundhog 05-12-2009 07:16 AM

This could be interesting.

JR Smith posts on twitter that he's setting the webcam up when he gets home, gives a link, then promptly leaves the room with the webcam still running. Some time passes (40mins maybe?) and he returns with his crew, and they all start puffing on blunts, live on webcam! At first JR is going off camera to take a puff, but he's clearly exhaling the smoke all on screen, and eventually just takes a puff on screen. There are only about 11 or 12 people watching, and it's still going on right now, though the smoking has stopped:

hxxp://www.ustream.tv/channel/black-entourage-ent.(make sure you include the ".")

This is unbelievably stupid, he better hope no one was recording this...

larrymcg421 05-12-2009 08:34 PM

Celtics just playing awful. This is hard to watch.

Jas_lov 05-12-2009 08:38 PM

What a terrible game. Both teams are playing awful, the Magic just suck less.

larrymcg421 05-12-2009 08:41 PM

The Magic should be up by 30 and that's not even an exaggeration.

DaddyTorgo 05-12-2009 08:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Groundhog (Post 2018469)
This could be interesting.

JR Smith posts on twitter that he's setting the webcam up when he gets home, gives a link, then promptly leaves the room with the webcam still running. Some time passes (40mins maybe?) and he returns with his crew, and they all start puffing on blunts, live on webcam! At first JR is going off camera to take a puff, but he's clearly exhaling the smoke all on screen, and eventually just takes a puff on screen. There are only about 11 or 12 people watching, and it's still going on right now, though the smoking has stopped:

hxxp://www.ustream.tv/channel/black-entourage-ent.(make sure you include the ".")

This is unbelievably stupid, he better hope no one was recording this...


you mean you weren't and didn't send it to the league already?

ass

Groundhog 05-12-2009 08:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo (Post 2019401)
you mean you weren't and didn't send it to the league already?

ass


I actually did record some of it. If blackmailing weren't illegal... :)

DaddyTorgo 05-12-2009 08:47 PM

just send it to the league - if he's that stupid then maybe a suspension will teach him a lesson

SirFozzie 05-12-2009 08:56 PM

yeah. hope the Celtics can win in game 6, because they've been fucking putrid tonight.

Jas_lov 05-12-2009 09:04 PM

Stephon Marbury of all people keeping the Celtics within striking distance.

Jas_lov 05-12-2009 09:12 PM

The go to guys right now are Starbury and Big Baby Davis. I like the Celtics chances. Pretty lucky to only be down 6 after playing terrible for 3 and a half quarters.

larrymcg421 05-12-2009 09:17 PM

FUCK YEAH SUGAR RAY

miami_fan 05-12-2009 09:17 PM

The full nelson is a celebratory move now?

Jas_lov 05-12-2009 09:17 PM

LOL! Orlando blew a 14 point lead to Stephon Marbury and Big Baby Davis. This is an epic collapse if they lose.

Radii 05-12-2009 09:18 PM

watching the magic run their offense just offends me as a basketball fan.

larrymcg421 05-12-2009 09:19 PM

I think a D League team would have been competitive with either team tonight. Whoever wins has been given a gift.

Jas_lov 05-12-2009 09:20 PM

They're just shooting wild 3s now.

Jas_lov 05-12-2009 09:21 PM

Big call goes the Celtics way.

larrymcg421 05-12-2009 09:23 PM

That's very very close, but fortunate that it was called and then changed, because Perkins had an easy two if they don't blow the whistle.

Jas_lov 05-12-2009 09:26 PM

Magic are so awful.

Jas_lov 05-12-2009 09:29 PM

Foul.

Jas_lov 05-12-2009 09:32 PM

Foul again.

larrymcg421 05-12-2009 09:34 PM

And they inbound it to Howard, lol.

Jas_lov 05-12-2009 09:35 PM

The Magic are out of timeouts now so as long as the C's make 1 FT, it's over. The Celtics will foul before the Magic can get down the court.

larrymcg421 05-12-2009 09:37 PM

What an ugly win, but I'll take it.

DaddyTorgo 05-12-2009 09:37 PM

wow...was i wrong

Big Fo 05-12-2009 09:38 PM

Two straight awful finishes from Orlando. The Lee/Alston/Redick/Pietrus backcourt can't get it done in the big moments.

Ronnie Dobbs2 05-12-2009 09:40 PM

Why does the Magic offense not seem to be centered around Howard?

Jas_lov 05-12-2009 09:42 PM

Can Howard do anything except dunk when he gets the ball close to the basket?

Big Fo 05-12-2009 09:42 PM

Howard isn't all that good on offense when it's not a dunk or layup. Those hook-shots haven't really been falling either. They should still get him the ball a little more often, it just seems like the team presses the moron button at some point in the fourth quarter and it's really obnoxious.

SirFozzie 05-12-2009 09:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ronnie Dobbs2 (Post 2019546)
Why does the Magic offense not seem to be centered around Howard?


Because Howard is only comfortable in a very small area around the hoop. The C's players have been able to muscle him out of that area.

Lathum 05-12-2009 09:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jas_lov (Post 2019549)
Can Howard do anything except dunk when he gets the ball close to the basket?


Nope, obviously the Magic are a better team without him.

larrymcg421 05-12-2009 09:49 PM

They should get it to Howard more if only to draw fouls. In game 4, the C's big men were in foul trouble early. Big Baby had 3 fouls in the first half. If I was the Magic, my main goal would be to get Mikki Moore in the game.

Jas_lov 05-12-2009 09:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 2019562)
Nope, obviously the Magic are a better team without him.


I wouldn't go that far. Howard isn't good at creating his own shots, but he's a monster at just about everything else. Perkins seems to do a good job on him though.

Lathum 05-12-2009 10:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jas_lov (Post 2019578)
I wouldn't go that far. Howard isn't good at creating his own shots, but he's a monster at just about everything else. Perkins seems to do a good job on him though.


:banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

MrBug708 05-12-2009 10:55 PM

That's a bit better

Neon_Chaos 05-12-2009 11:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 2019629)
:banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:


It's ok Lathum, I understand your pain.

Chief Rum 05-12-2009 11:55 PM

Hmm, I see the Lakers are playing tonight. I wonder why this series took a four day break? I looked around on Sunday, and didn't see the Lakers playing.

whomario 05-13-2009 03:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chief Rum (Post 2019782)
Hmm, I see the Lakers are playing tonight. I wonder why this series took a four day break? I looked around on Sunday, and didn't see the Lakers playing.


Hello, welcome to the 21st century. The Internet sends itīs best regards:)

They lost at Houston on Sunday ;)

Howard speaks up : Howard calls out coach's play-calling - NBA - Yahoo! Sports

Quote:


“I have to get the ball,” Howard said. “I don’t think you are going to win a lot of games when your post player only gets 10 shots. It’s tough to get yourself going and get a lot of shots without a lot of touches. We have to get better with that.”
What Howard was trying to say was simple: Van Gundy has to get getter with that. Howard had 12 points and 17 rebounds, just 10 shots on the night. In the fourth quarter, when it all slipped away, Howard had just two shots. He made them both, but it was far too little, and that’s become far too much of a pattern here.


While i agree that heīs not a true go-to-guy on offense you still have to involve him. And if only because that does give the Shooters more room. In the regular season they didīt go to him excessively but often enough to have the defense collaps just in caser, that element is gone now and the 3P% is way down because of that.
Perkins does a great job on him though.

Van Gundy just flat out isnīt a good pressure coach. Maybe he isnīt a bad coach per se but his antics are just a huge distraction. Heīs like the coaching version of Gerald Wallace, allways out of control and running arround like a chicken without a head...
Shaq called him "Master of Panic" , kinda fits.

Then gain Howard was terrible defensively tonight and showed no effort at all. And why heīs still sending blocks to the 10th row is beyond me ... Seriously, he could propably keep 50% of his blocks that go out, in bounds if he wanted.


Rockets got blown out, not much of a surprise here now that the adrenalin wasnīt pumping anymore after the Yao-blow...

Big Fo 05-13-2009 07:40 AM

I'm glad Howard called out van Gundy like that, those last four minutes were shockingly bad. He also mentioned how well the team had done with Howard and Gortat in the game at the same time, taking advantage of Boston's smallness, but that group never saw the floor late in the fourth.

With how unstoppable Cleveland looks this season and the Nelson injury this playoff campaign is more about gaining experience than a team thinking they could actually win the title this year but this team should still be able to get past Boston who are also weakened by injury. van Gundy deserves a decent share of the blame if Orlando fails to do so, he didn't do anything to stop that 11-0 run or previous fourth quarter failures. The last two games have been frustrating as hell.

miami_fan 05-13-2009 07:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whomario (Post 2019853)
Hello, welcome to the 21st century. The Internet sends itīs best regards:)

They lost at Houston on Sunday ;)

Howard speaks up : Howard calls out coach's play-calling - NBA - Yahoo! Sports



While i agree that heīs not a true go-to-guy on offense you still have to involve him. And if only because that does give the Shooters more room. In the regular season they didīt go to him excessively but often enough to have the defense collaps just in caser, that element is gone now and the 3P% is way down because of that.
Perkins does a great job on him though.

Van Gundy just flat out isnīt a good pressure coach. Maybe he isnīt a bad coach per se but his antics are just a huge distraction. Heīs like the coaching version of Gerald Wallace, allways out of control and running arround like a chicken without a head...
Shaq called him "Master of Panic" , kinda fits.

Then gain Howard was terrible defensively tonight and showed no effort at all. And why heīs still sending blocks to the 10th row is beyond me ... Seriously, he could propably keep 50% of his blocks that go out, in bounds if he wanted.


Rockets got blown out, not much of a surprise here now that the adrenalin wasnīt pumping anymore after the Yao-blow...


I am all for giving Perkins getting credit but Howard is right. And I don't want to hear the talk about his poor foul shooting either. He is not Mark Price at the line but he has not been horrible there either. If he is in the game, he has to touch the ball. If they want to run an offense like they did against Philly when Howard was suspended, then put him on the bench, play Gortat and move on.

whomario 05-13-2009 10:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by miami_fan (Post 2019937)
I am all for giving Perkins getting credit but Howard is right. And I don't want to hear the talk about his poor foul shooting either. He is not Mark Price at the line but he has not been horrible there either. If he is in the game, he has to touch the ball. If they want to run an offense like they did against Philly when Howard was suspended, then put him on the bench, play Gortat and move on.


hey, you are preaching to a converted here ;) You are absolutely right that if you have a dominant or even very good player you damn better play to his strengths or move one.
What Orlando desperately lacks is a Pick and Roll Point Guard. Alston is terrible at that because he canīt score on the move or finish at the rim at all and thus the defense doesnīt commit to him and Nelson isnīt much better at it either because he imo lacks passing skills there and isnīt that good a finisher either. And at the 2 you have guys like Redick or Pietrus who i wouldnīt want dribling the ball at all ... Turkoglu can run it, but itīs just not as effective with a forward/Center combo, easier to trap and all because itīs executed slower.

They really made a living out of good spacing in the regular season, now they donīt feed/involve Howard and their spacing goes down the river.

They actually shoot less 3s than in the regular season, but only because they canīt get open and not because they go inside more.

RainMaker 05-13-2009 02:47 PM

Watching the Magic play, they've been at their best offensively when Howard has not been on the court. Game 6 against the Sixers and a few other games in this series when he's been in foul trouble.

Not to mention that he is the Defensive Player of the Year and allowed the Celtics to score 33 points in the 4th quarter. He played the entire quarter too. A real leader steps up in that spot and doesn't whine and doesn't blame everyone else for their loss.

miami_fan 05-13-2009 06:56 PM

So you agree he should not be on the court?

RainMaker 05-13-2009 07:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by miami_fan (Post 2021098)
So you agree he should not be on the court?

No. I'm saying the problem with the Magic isn't him getting the ball enough.

TroyF 05-14-2009 12:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo (Post 2019419)
just send it to the league - if he's that stupid then maybe a suspension will teach him a lesson



I think the NBA suspends a guy for 10 games for marijuana use after his FOURTH positive test.

No idea how many failed tests JR has now.

Guy has a ten cent head. . . but my God can he fill it up when he gets going. He just finished torching Jason Terry in the Nuggets/Mavericks series.

First time in the conference finals in 24 years. If only I could get the Lakers team that played in Houston the other night to show up for 4 games in this next series. :)

Don't think the Nuggets matchup well against the Lakers. We'll be very, very tough at home, but I don't know how we take one in LA. Is it to much to ask for the Rockets to find a way to beat the Lakers for us? :)

whomario 05-14-2009 02:44 AM

I suppose it might be too much ... Maybe take it to 7 but even that sounds unlikely to me.

Denver deserved to advance, just the flat out better team. At the end of the day the Mavs just couldnīt get stops/the Nuggets came through when it counted. Take your pick, both sound about right.

For the Mavs Nowitzki with an impressive series overall, going for 34/12 on 53% shooting while being defended really, really well.
But when your starting Center averages more Fouls than rebounds. And almost as many TOs (10) as Points (15) and you donīt have a starting SG to speak of... Or any real SG worth anything ... And then you have your starting 3 playing on 2 bum ankles.
Well, letīs just say that this is definitely a case of "one guy can only do so much" .
Props to Denver for recognizing that and playing him 1:1 most of the time unlike the Spurs did (who double and trapped every time basically) and not give open shots to the help players, good decicion by Karl.
For Denver Billups/Melo played a great series again hitting all the big shots. And their help guys did a good job. Not all in every game, but always enough.

Billups no with 7 consecutive Conference Finals.

Chief Rum 05-14-2009 02:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whomario (Post 2019853)
Hello, welcome to the 21st century. The Internet sends itīs best regards:)

They lost at Houston on Sunday ;)


Hmm, maybe I need to work on making my sarcasm more obvious. ;)

Neon_Chaos 05-14-2009 04:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chief Rum (Post 2021425)
Hmm, maybe I need to work on making my sarcasm more obvious. ;)


:D


Big Fo 05-14-2009 07:22 AM

Maybe I haven't seen Denver enough and am being misled by their excellent play of late, but I think they'll give LA a run for their money.

whomario 05-14-2009 10:06 AM

I think they can, but they also drew good matchups for them. Neither New Orleans nor the Mavs were that good realistically speaking. Neither had any reliable options on the 2/3 positions or any sort of post scoring, so imo that played into the Nuggetīs hands with their athletic players switching everything on the Pick & Roll. I still think defense will be the Nuggetsī weak link. They outscored the Mavs mostly. They played good defense, but not that good imo, the Mavs just didnīt have the firepower.
But yeah, obviously they are a much improved team despite the not-so-much improved record. Heck, even Melo actually plays defense ...

If the Lakers play like Games 1-4 against Houston than it will be very close at least.

TroyF 05-14-2009 05:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whomario (Post 2021699)
I think they can, but they also drew good matchups for them. Neither New Orleans nor the Mavs were that good realistically speaking. Neither had any reliable options on the 2/3 positions or any sort of post scoring, so imo that played into the Nuggetīs hands with their athletic players switching everything on the Pick & Roll. I still think defense will be the Nuggetsī weak link. They outscored the Mavs mostly. They played good defense, but not that good imo, the Mavs just didnīt have the firepower.
But yeah, obviously they are a much improved team despite the not-so-much improved record. Heck, even Melo actually plays defense ...

If the Lakers play like Games 1-4 against Houston than it will be very close at least.


I'm reading this and am not really sure what the hell any of it means. The Hornets sucked in hindsight, but everyone predicted they'd win the series. The Mavericks were one of the hottest teams in the league and the Nuggets dispatched them in five games.

As for the defense, I'm just not sure what that means either. Here are the Nuggets regular season ranks:

Defensive efficiency - 8th
FG% Against - 4th (better than Houston and everyone else outside of Cleveland, Boston or Orlando)
Blocks - 2nd
Steals - 3rd
Turnovers forced - 6th

OK, so what exactly is wrong with the defense at any point this year? Please, explain to me what is wrong with top 8 in every single defensive category.

And then "not so improved" record. Explain this one.Denver jumped from 50 wins to 54 wins and they moved from the 8th seed in the Western conference to the 2nd seed. Don't blame the Nuggets because nobody bothered to look at the statistical evidence that showed them to be pretty good throughout the year. (or your own perceptions) If they lose against the Lakers (and I think they will lose against the Lakers) it has nothing to do with defensive weakness and everything to do with the Lakers just being the better team.

Groundhog 05-14-2009 06:15 PM

Magic start off with three missed from 3, then Howard peels off 6 straight points. Maybe he was kinda right after all? :)

Jas_lov 05-14-2009 06:59 PM

No he's not. It seems like it would make much more sense to run the offense through Rashard Lewis. The Celtics have no answer for him. He can blow by BBD and he's too big for Pierce. Scalibrine is doing his best but he's no match for Lewis. Or they could keep giving it to Howard so he can brick those jump hook shoots.

Groundhog 05-14-2009 07:00 PM

Well I'm no longer watching because I have to work, but Howard is now 5-7 from the floor, so, I don't know.

Big Fo 05-14-2009 07:06 PM

Guards missing shots is Orlando's problem tonight. Howard has played well so far.

Jas_lov 05-14-2009 07:49 PM

No reason not to go to Lewis now. Doc is leaving BBD in there with 4 fouls so why not try to get 5 on him and put them in a tough spot. The Celtics would probably have to bring in Mikie Moore at some point and then they should pound it to Howard.

Big Fo 05-14-2009 07:54 PM

Redick 0-7 now, just bench him ffs

Big Fo 05-14-2009 07:59 PM

If I were that ref I'd have given Alston a T for grabbing his head and kissing it.

Jas_lov 05-14-2009 08:45 PM

We will have game 7. Orlando missed a ton of FTs but it doesn't matter. Ray Allen might want to consider showing up in game 7 if Boston wants to win.

Big Fo 05-14-2009 08:50 PM

Howard with a 20-20 performance after calling out his coach. His offensive rebounds were huge on a night where Orlando didn't have the shooting touch.

DaddyTorgo 05-14-2009 08:55 PM

gah...that was an ugly game by the C's

Groundhog 05-14-2009 09:07 PM

Strong start by the Lakers. Down 13-1.

Neon_Chaos 05-14-2009 09:54 PM

Nice acting from Ron Ron. Smart play.

bulletsponge 05-14-2009 10:06 PM

are the ESPN commentators and talking head supposed to be blatant LA homers?

Neon_Chaos 05-14-2009 10:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bulletsponge (Post 2022840)
are the ESPN commentators and talking head supposed to be blatant LA homers?


Or maybe Kobe really didn't deserve that T.

Doh.

JonInMiddleGA 05-14-2009 10:42 PM

Pretty well done piece on Chauncey Billups.
ESPN - OTL: The Disposable Superstar - E-ticket

stevew 05-14-2009 10:56 PM

Yeah, agreed with John. Read that the other night, and thought it was very well written. Hoping if the Cavs make the finals, they can avoid him. He usually gives us fits.

MrBug708 05-14-2009 11:15 PM

Losing game six is certainly an annoyance

bulletsponge 05-14-2009 11:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neon_Chaos (Post 2022856)
Or maybe Kobe really didn't deserve that T.

Doh.


i was actually refering to the whole series.

AgustusM 05-14-2009 11:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA (Post 2022880)
Pretty well done piece on Chauncey Billups.
ESPN - OTL: The Disposable Superstar - E-ticket


thank you so much for sharing that, a great, great piece and elevated a player I already really liked. The NBA is not all thugs and punks.

Neon_Chaos 05-14-2009 11:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrBug708 (Post 2022906)
Losing game six is certainly an annoyance


If they fumble game 7, they'll need some soul searching in the offseason. :mad:

DaddyTorgo 05-14-2009 11:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA (Post 2022880)
Pretty well done piece on Chauncey Billups.
ESPN - OTL: The Disposable Superstar - E-ticket


yeah - i'd always felt billups was run out of boston ridiculously quick, and now that i really see what we missed out on...wow

MrBug708 05-14-2009 11:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neon_Chaos (Post 2022915)
If they fumble game 7, they'll need some soul searching in the offseason. :mad:


Eh, they would certainly deserve it.

whomario 05-15-2009 03:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TroyF (Post 2022292)
I'm reading this and am not really sure what the hell any of it means. The Hornets sucked in hindsight, but everyone predicted they'd win the series. The Mavericks were one of the hottest teams in the league and the Nuggets dispatched them in five games.

As for the defense, I'm just not sure what that means either. Here are the Nuggets regular season ranks:

Defensive efficiency - 8th
FG% Against - 4th (better than Houston and everyone else outside of Cleveland, Boston or Orlando)
Blocks - 2nd
Steals - 3rd
Turnovers forced - 6th

OK, so what exactly is wrong with the defense at any point this year? Please, explain to me what is wrong with top 8 in every single defensive category.

And then "not so improved" record. Explain this one.Denver jumped from 50 wins to 54 wins and they moved from the 8th seed in the Western conference to the 2nd seed. Don't blame the Nuggets because nobody bothered to look at the statistical evidence that showed them to be pretty good throughout the year. (or your own perceptions) If they lose against the Lakers (and I think they will lose against the Lakers) it has nothing to do with defensive weakness and everything to do with the Lakers just being the better team.



Wait, everyone predicted the Hornets to win ? A team that hobbled to the finish line ? A Team with Chandler not in good shape, with Peja being injured a lot ?

I give you the point about defense, my bad. Itīs just from the games i saw i saw an agressive defensive team but not an efficient one, i am propably wrong. So iīm sorry for that one :) But i still would take an approach like the Celtics or old Spurs teams over the Nuggets agressive defense any day of the weak, thatīs just how i feel about that....

And i said they are much improved. I wanted to highlight that by saying they improved more than their record show, sorry you took that wrongly. Maybe badly phrased as english isnīt my primary language, sorry about that one, too.
I really do think they are very much improved :)

I stand by my point that both teams were good matchups for them, though. Not because they were bad teams but good ones that are not great and had major holes. Then again as it turns out right now the Lakers might be as well. Seriously, that teamsī players outside of Bryant are doing a major disapearing act, wow ... I thought they turned the corner, but right now they are a 1-man team just like the Mavs/Hornets.
Right now iīd say the Nuggets chances to reach the Finals are at least at 50%.

Rockets are awesome :) And Battierīs D on Kobe is just a great sight, that duel really is fun to watch.

Anyone thinks Kobe sees a hand hanging in front of his face when he closes his eyes at night ?





Heīs having a great shooting series still, going for 30 PPG on 46% shooting but heīs not drawing many double teams unless he really gets to the basket or generating that much room for his teammates because Battier plays him very good and just gives him that 20 foot jump shot all night. Heīs shooting way more long jumpers than usual (not jumpers, but long jumpers), Battier gives him that instead of a 15 foot jump shot, forces him outside without giving him open shots or open 3s even. Thereīs a reason why coaches call that Shot from 20 to the 3 point line the worst shot in basketball. That heīs still hitting those is because heīs Kobe and has that pull perfected, but you can live very much with how heīs playing right now.
His points per shot is at 1,19 as well, which is not terrible but far from very good and good news for the Rockets.

and how bout scola ? Boy that guy can play in the post despite his lack of power.

Neon_Chaos 05-15-2009 03:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrBug708 (Post 2022919)
Eh, they would certainly deserve it.


Indeed.

It's not like the Rockets have played well this series either. The Lakers have just been horrible outside of game 5.

spleen1015 05-15-2009 05:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA (Post 2022880)
Pretty well done piece on Chauncey Billups.
ESPN - OTL: The Disposable Superstar - E-ticket


I read this earlier in the week. I think it is an awesome story. It makes me root for Denver.

One thing I took from it that shocked me and I may just be ignorant, but it was the part about Denver not having a set play for inbounding the ball under their own basket. Seriously? Karl is getting paid millions and his team doesn't have plays for a situation like that? Like I said, it could be my ignorance, but that seems crazy to me.

Eaglesfan27 05-15-2009 08:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrBug708 (Post 2022906)
Losing game six is certainly an annoyance


I can't wait to see what losing game 7 will be. Kobe lacks the leadership skills to get his team a title and I wouldn't be surprised to see them choke against the Rockets.

TroyF 05-15-2009 10:41 AM

whomario,

In the Nuggets/Hornets series, the split was pretty even on a national level. Even the guys who thought the Nuggets would win said it would be in 6 or 7 games.

More people hopped on the bandwagon after the thrashing Denver gave the Hornets, but it was still expected to be a 6 or 7 game series.

As for how we play defense, I don't think it really matters. We hold teams to bad shooting. When they control the defensive glass, they win the basketball game. When they don't, they lose.

When they control the defensive glass and shoot the three well, they become an NBA elite type of team. The last month they've controlled the defensive glass and hit the three ball. (and they are 22-4 not counting a meaningless game against Portland to end the season) The more I see of the Lakers, the more confidence I have that Denver can beat them. They play without emotion in the Pepsi Center, Denver will destroy them there.

Still, I'd love to face the Rockets over the Lakers. Home court advantage in the Nuggets first conference finals in 24 years? That'd be a dream.

LloydLungs 05-15-2009 11:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whomario (Post 2022995)
Wait, everyone predicted the Hornets to win ? A team that hobbled to the finish line ? A Team with Chandler not in good shape, with Peja being injured a lot ?


As I've noted before -- on the national front, people were unaware how badly (and probably permanently) Tyson Chandler was injured. This is why you had the idiots on PTI and ESPN bloviating about how the trade to OKC meant New Orleans can't support the NBA, blah blah blah. They didn't understand the extent of Chandler's injury. Pretty much nobody did outside of N.O.

I remember listening to Bill Simmons (and his podcast guest) pick the Hornets over the Nuggets. Both of them were just assuming Chandler would be back at something close to full strength. I was just mystified at how out-of-the-loop they were. The Hornets never stood a chance in that series (which doesn't excuse the 58-point debacle, but that's another topic).

Not taking anything away from the Nuggets, but they really got a hell of a draw in these playoffs, first and second round.

whomario 05-15-2009 11:03 AM

@ TroyF : Iīm outside the US and even pretty selective with what webpages i follow due to past experiences with them, so i simply didnīt know that. From what i could tell the Nuggets were picked mostly (and 5 or 6 isnīt that big a deal imo), so i am suprised but really canīt disagree if you say that the consensus was differently.
Thus i stand corrected :)

Quote:

Originally Posted by TroyF (Post 2023332)

Still, I'd love to face the Rockets over the Lakers. Home court advantage in the Nuggets first conference finals in 24 years? That'd be a dream.


The Nuggets would destroy the Rockets. As much as i love this group of players and what they are doing right now, but the main reason they are in game 7 and werenīt beaten in 5 games (or swept) is that the Lakers are lethargic and passionless for large stretches. If thereīs one thing the Nuggets arenīt it is that ;)
Against a team that matches their intensity level the Rockets are toast. I mean, their best players are a PG that canīt pass and is streaky, a athletically-challenged PF and a likeable retard that somehow influences the game positively despite his terrible offensive performances.

an interesting article on Phil Jacksonīs coaching or lack there of : NBA - Coach's Zen approach not helping Lakers - FOX Sports on MSN

He really hasnīt done a whole lot of coaching this playoffs, has he ?

Galaril 05-15-2009 12:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo (Post 2022917)
yeah - i'd always felt billups was run out of boston ridiculously quick, and now that i really see what we missed out on...wow


Yeah, he is a great player and human from all indications. I hope young student atheletes folllow his lead more than guys like Iverson and TO.

Galaril 05-15-2009 12:13 PM

I am seeing Nuggets Cavs Finals. I think if the Lkaers and Celts survive there series (physically for the Celts/mentally for Lakers) it will take alot to take out these peaking well rested, confident excellent defensive teams whoa re healthy.

sterlingice 05-15-2009 03:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA (Post 2022880)
Pretty well done piece on Chauncey Billups.
ESPN - OTL: The Disposable Superstar - E-ticket


That was a good read. Checked it out the other day when it was on the front page

SI

Big Fo 05-16-2009 01:24 PM

No NBA or NHL playoffs today :/

RainMaker 05-16-2009 11:10 PM

Lines for tomorrow night.

Lakers -12.5
Celtics -2.5

whomario 05-17-2009 02:16 PM

Why is the NBA still giving Joe Crawford all the huge games to referee ? Seriously, thatīs like asking Ben Wallace to still be the DPOY :confused:

The guy is such a self-centred ass itīs not even funny ... Heīs reffing the Lakers-Rockets tonight.

DeToxRox 05-17-2009 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by whomario (Post 2024919)
Why is the NBA still giving Joe Crawford all the huge games to referee ? Seriously, thatīs like asking Ben Wallace to still be the DPOY :confused:

The guy is such a self-centred ass itīs not even funny ... Heīs reffing the Lakers-Rockets tonight.


Saw this about Crawford on another forum. Just interesting stuff:

Last two seasons of playoffs:
Lakers are 21-11 in 32 games:
14-10 without Crawford as ref.
7-1 with Crawford(only loss was elimination game vs Celtics 131-92 game which is very hard to fix).
Also it was Joey Crawford who tossed Artest in Game 2 with the Rockets down 10 with 8 minutes to go. I guess he wanted to make sure this score stuck to tie the series.

Want more:
Rockets this post season:
7-3 record in games without Crawford.
0-2 record in games with Crawford.

Want more:
This year Houston takes game 1 in LA, Crawford works Game 2.
Last year in the Utah series, he is sent to Utah for Game 6 with Lakers up 3-2 and sure enough no game 7 needed.
Next series vs. SA, Lakers lead 2-1 with Game 4 in SA and enter Joey Crawford. LA goes up 3-1 with 93-91 win(NBA apologizes for Crawford no call on Derek Fischer foul on Brent Barry to end game).
Next series is Boston and Lakers down 0-2 enter Crawford to right the ship and Lakers win game 3.

DeToxRox 05-17-2009 02:26 PM

Dola, someone responded to what I posted above with this:

Quote:

That's nothing. Check out these stats regarding the Mavs record in games with Crawford as the ref and without him as the ref:

- from 2001-2005 when Crawford was the ref, the Mavs were 0-8. When he wasn't the ref they were 41-37
- from 2001 until now, the Mavs are 1-15 in games Crawford is the ref. When he wasn't, they were 52-35

These stats come from the blog below. They also had someone run the likelihood of that kind of discrepency between games officiated by one official. The chances of that kind discrepency happening and it being legitimate is 0.001119 percent. That means for every 100,000 times the Mavs played 87 games, the chances of them going 1-15 with one ref and 52-35 with anyone else is 1 in 100,000.


Jas_lov 05-17-2009 02:26 PM

The Lakers will not need Joey Crawford and his other 2 company men to win this game by 20 points. I expect another slaughter like game 5.

whomario 05-17-2009 02:38 PM

terrible start by the rockets. 2 1/2 minutes without a single controlled pass let alone play towards the goal :banghead:

WTF Artest ? i hate him ...

sterlingice 05-17-2009 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeToxRox (Post 2024922)
Saw this about Crawford on another forum. Just interesting stuff:

Last two seasons of playoffs:
Lakers are 21-11 in 32 games:
14-10 without Crawford as ref.
7-1 with Crawford(only loss was elimination game vs Celtics 131-92 game which is very hard to fix).
Also it was Joey Crawford who tossed Artest in Game 2 with the Rockets down 10 with 8 minutes to go. I guess he wanted to make sure this score stuck to tie the series.

Want more:
Rockets this post season:
7-3 record in games without Crawford.
0-2 record in games with Crawford.

Want more:
This year Houston takes game 1 in LA, Crawford works Game 2.
Last year in the Utah series, he is sent to Utah for Game 6 with Lakers up 3-2 and sure enough no game 7 needed.
Next series vs. SA, Lakers lead 2-1 with Game 4 in SA and enter Joey Crawford. LA goes up 3-1 with 93-91 win(NBA apologizes for Crawford no call on Derek Fischer foul on Brent Barry to end game).
Next series is Boston and Lakers down 0-2 enter Crawford to right the ship and Lakers win game 3.


Not so much for this game, but for the integrity of the league as a whole, how does he have a job?!? Wasn't he implicated by the whole Donaghy thing?

SI

miami_fan 05-17-2009 03:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeToxRox (Post 2024926)
Dola, someone responded to what I posted above with this:


I have no idea on the numbers but the same thing has been posted about DANNY Crawford

Danny Crawford Hates the*Mavs? - Mavs Moneyball

whomario 05-17-2009 03:08 PM

Artest is such a moron, itīs unbelievable at times ...

Jas_lov 05-17-2009 03:34 PM

Well look at this. The Lakers are winning by 20. It must be because of Joey Crawford. Someone posts all of those records with and without Crawford but you have no idea without going back and looking at each game whether the Lakers were at home, who they were playing, etc. I'm sure the NBA is still fixing games after that whole Donaghy fiasco.

Danny 05-17-2009 03:34 PM

Your PG has 0 assists in the first half

Danny 05-17-2009 03:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jas_lov (Post 2024962)
Well look at this. The Lakers are winning by 20. It must be because of Joey Crawford. Someone posts all of those records with and without Crawford but you have no idea without going back and looking at each game whether the Lakers were at home, who they were playing, etc. I'm sure the NBA is still fixing games after that whole Donaghy fiasco.


I always thought views about the NBA fixing games or influencing games was incredibly silly. Sure, stars tend to get more calls, but that's just the way it is. I think that in the NBA, year after year, more than any other sport, the best team ends up winning the championship.

Last 13 NBA titles.

Celtics
Spurs
Heat
Spurs
Pistons
Lakers
Lakers
Lakers
Spurs
Bulls
Bulls
Bulls

I'd find it very hard to argue that each of these teams wasn't the best team that season. That includes three spurs teams who frankly were bad for ratings.

Tasan 05-17-2009 04:05 PM

So, did the Rockette's send their D league team out there again today? This town is going to be full of tears tomorrow....boy good thing I'm a Mavs fan.


Oh wait.

Eaglesfan27 05-17-2009 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27 (Post 2023163)
I can't wait to see what losing game 7 will be. Kobe lacks the leadership skills to get his team a title and I wouldn't be surprised to see them choke against the Rockets.



Or maybe not. I still don't think this Laker team has any chance at winning a title this year with their lack of leadership and consistency.


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