hendrix kill sthat.

My thoughts as well.

I think the best Love Song is still on the board, at least if it was put to a popular vote. Might not quite fit the board, but it is also a Classic so you can't go wrong with it.

Only 3 players are eligible for it, will they pick it?

Great thread ML.

OK. Wade just alerted me that it was my turn last night. Luckily it appears everyone went to bed after Bucc's pick anyway. I'll get to work on my 7.3 pick right away.

It's time for me to roll out a classic. This song could have easily gone as an anti-establishment song, much as many of Dylan's songs could have. However, just as with Dylan, this is undeniably a classic. If you use American Idol as a barometer (and you probably shouldn't), it is easily the most used male audition song. I am going to round out the last of my Big Gun categories with "A Change is Gonna Come" by Sam Cooke.

Classic - 8.3 - "A Change is Gonna Come", Sam Cooke
Epic - 6.3 - "Space Oddity", David Bowie
Arena - 5.8 - "You Shook Me All Night Long", AC/DC
Trendsetter - 2.3 - "Rapper's Delight", The Sugarhill Gang
Love Song - 7.8 - "Unforgettable" - Natalie Cole with Nat King Cole
One-Hit Wonder -
Party - 4.3 - "(You Gotta) Fight for Your Right (to Party)", Beastie Boys
Crossover - 1.8 - "Walk This Way", Run-D.M.C. feat. Aerosmith
Cover -
Anti-Establishment - 3.8 - "Killing in the Name", Rage Against the Machine

Great song, LS. You won't get any bother from me about taking it. :)

So far, I think the biggest misstep of the draft was the usage of Jimi. Plenty of great choices for him but his version of the Star Spangled Banner at Woodstock might be my #1 cover song ever.

Whitney certainly sung it better than anybody else which would have made it a great choice as well, but Jimi's was the best original take on the song. And that is what makes it my #1, taking an already famous song and making a better version in your own style. Really, is there any more famous song in America?

Guess everybody has a Love Song now, can't believe this song didn't get taken. Won't mention it since it could still be taken in another category.

I think very little imagination was put into the Love Song category. I'm pretty disappointed by that group of picks.

Love Song is one of the categories that's so deep there are a lot of great songs that have been left off.

I chickened out on one or two picks, most notably Arena Rocker and Love Song.

And I was three bourbons in for my Love Song selection. :)

Pffft. Barry White? More babies were conceived to my choice than probably any other song that'll be chosen. :D

I still have you #1, but it will come down to the cover song.

I agree, this is a baby making category and Barry White = babies. It's science.

I already mentioned my Arena Rocker plan since it's been chosen elsewhere. I can PM you my Love Song chicken out or wait until it's all over. Cover Song is going to be tough. It's like Love Song -- there are so many good choices. You could have taken your whole list as cover songs and just filled each category with one and still done very well.

haha...word.

Nope, the #1 in THAT category is the one that I'm talking about, but Barry White was a strong pick.

Went through the lists with the wife and she has Subby in the lead, especially since he has an Arena spot open and there is a very strong option available there.

She also wants to echo that Imagine is the worst pick in the draft :)

Please pick a cover where the original and the newer version are both recognizable and you will OK.

I also had a great love song that I didn't have the balls to take before the artist went off the board. It's a song that I think is a hands down winner if people know the song, but I was afraid not enough people know it.

"All By Myself", Green Day

Never heard of it.

Party- Louie, Louie- The Kingsman 8.4

Not surprising. It's a hidden track on Dookie.

I am heading out for the afternoon, Mapleleafs inbox was full so Hoopsguy is gonna make my picks for me if I am not around.

I do have a question, if a band has a female lead singer does that count as a female artist?

I have been working on that assumption.

I asked that same question Lathum. The answer Igot back is yes it counts.

The song needs to have a female as the (or one of the) primary singer. Backups singers don't count, but a duet would (like my Tom Jones/Cardigans pick).

If in doubt, PM me and I'll make a ruling.

I'll go clear our my PM box.

Classic -
Epic - 2.5 - Another Brick in the Wall — Pink Floyd
Arena - 6.5-Do You Feel Like We Do--Peter Frampton
Trendsetter - 1.6 - Good Vibrations - Beach Boys
Love Song -7.6 - Baby Love--The Supremes
One-Hit Wonder -
Party - 8.5-Shout--The Isley Brothers
Crossover - 4.5-I Can't Stop Loving You--Ray Charles
Cover - 5.6 - Proud Mary--Ike and Tina Turner
Anti-Establishment -3.6-London Calling--The Clash

I was originally going to take this as a Love song but was worried about an Imagine-style backlash. I think it qualifies as a Classic in every sense, but will the voters punish me for being the only one without a rock song in that spot?

Classic - 8.6 - What a Wonderful World - Louis Armstrong
Epic - 5.5 - Thriller - Michael Jackson
Arena - 1.7 - Welcome to the Jungle - Guns N' Roses
Trendsetter - 2.4 - Heartbreak Hotel - Elvis Presley
Love Song - 6.6 Unchained Melody - The Righteous Brothers
One-Hit Wonder -
Party - 4.6 - 1999 - Prince
Crossover - 3.5 - Ring of Fire - Johnny Cash
Cover - 7.5 - Burning Down the House - Tom Jones & The Cardigans
Anti-Establishment -

Butter_of_69's choice (Butter, the first song on your list was already gone).

Classic -
Epic - Bohemian Rhapsody - Queen, 1.4
Arena - Rock and Roll (Part Two) - Gary Glitter, 3.4
Trendsetter - Heart of Glass - Blondie - 8.7
Love Song - My Girl - The Temptations, 6.7
One-Hit Wonder -
Party - Celebration - Kool and the Gang, 5.4
Crossover - Superstition - Stevie Wonder, 4.7
Killing Me Softly - The Fugees - Cover, 7.4
Anti-Establishment - Anarchy in the UK - Sex Pistols, 2.7

I was waiting on Blondie, suprised nobody used them for Rapture as Crossover.

and Rapture coulda worked for trendsetter too.

When did Sam Cooke become a rock artist? ;)

I never knew Sam Cooke was a rock artist. :)



Blondie was my wuss out Love Song. I wanted to take "One Way Or Another".

dola: Louis Armstrong is a great pick.

Last week. Didn't you get the memo? :D

Pick coming up.

I think the conclusion I'm forced to draw is that fofc just doesn't understand love.

There are some great love songs still out there. Shoot! that was one reason I waited so long on that category.

The first dance for my wedding will be one that only Wade and I have heard most likely. "Swept Away", The Avett Brothers.

Except I hate that song, so you couldn't have forced me to pick it. :)

Sooooo many good choices for the One-Hit Wonder category. I went from wanting favorite songs to wanting mass-appeal songs to finally settling on a unique, yet undeniable, one-hit wonder. This artist has never been known for any other hit, yet still performs it to sold out arenas and audiences who sing every word from heart -- and don't feel embarassed to do so. If he were to come to an FOFC convention I have little doubt that he would be as warmly received as he is all over the country. Let's all wave flags:

Classic - 1.3 - Like a Rolling Stone - Bob Dylan
Epic - 3.3 - The End - The Doors
Arena - 4.8 - Where the Streets Have No Name - U2
Trendsetter - 2.8 - Respect - Aretha Franklin
Love Song - 7.3 - Can't Get Enough of Your Love Babe - Barry White
One-Hit Wonder - 8.8 - God Bless the U.S.A. (I'm Proud To Be An American) - Lee Greenwood
Party -
Crossover - 6.8 - Lose Yourself - Eminem
Cover -
Anti-Establishment - 5.3 - Fortunate Son - Creedence Clearwater Revival

I wouldn't have argued with it there... I love it as a crossover because of the distance of the cross...

Um. Is our definition pop charts? Lee Greenwood has 25+ top 10 country hits and 7 #1 country hits (none of which are God Bless the U.S.A.)

So you're saying he's got 8 hit wonder locked up?

Nothing personal, of course, NoMyths. I am genuinely curious about the critera we're using for one-hit wonder.

The same criteria I used for Imagine? :)

I think that he means if you mention Lee Greenwood to Country fans, most will name this song as his one big hit.

Lathum's pick (thanks to hoopsguy for sending it along):

Classic -Foxy Lady- Jimi Hendrix- 3.2
Epic - BaBa O'reilly ( also known as teenage wasteland)- The Who - 2.9
Arena - Iron Man- Black Sabbath- 6.9
Trendsetter - Smells Like Teen Spirit- Nirvana- 1.2
Love Song - At Last- Eda James - 4.9 ( heard at every wedding)
One-Hit Wonder -
Party - One Bourbon, One Scotch, One Beer - George Thorogood - 7.2
Crossover -
Cover - A little help from my friends - Joe Cocker - 8.9
Anti-Establishment -American Idiot-Green Day 5.2

That is certainly not the definition of a one hit wonder.


Well, that makes my cover decision a little easier. :)

I think it's up to the voters to punish the categorizations rather than the rule. Nobody would have stopped somebody from drafting Nate Robinson as a center.

Esp. if we are permitted to "sell" our list before voting begins. You can make a case for one-hit wonders (when they are technically not) because that would be the only hit most can think of. With Imagine, I wanted that song (it's #1 on many lists) so I stretched love songs to mean ballads as well.

True... though I guess it will be pointed out by the voters that some choices are just horrible and don't fit. And anyway, "God Bless the U.S.A." is probably poorer than a number of one hit wonders left :D.

Right now, I think lordscarlet is slamming this draft up its ass. All he needs is the money shot.

It's like a fuckin;' coronation is coming up.

Except his Classic and Epic picks pale in comparison to some others and his Trendsetter definitely belongs in One-Hit. Just sayin'.

lordscarlet had a hall of fame first half, but his last few picks have been just meh. I still have him in the top group, though.

Re: one-hit wonders.

It's actually a very tough category to define. Most songs that we think of as one-hit wonders weren't there artist's only hit, especially if you look at artists from other countries or genres.

Wiki has a cool article on this topic:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_hit..._of_definition

I think Subby is the only one that hasn't made a questional pick. The rest of us has to go on our strengths.

Lola as a love song is definitely questionable. But I think voters will think of it as the "oh, that's kind of cool" questionable instead of "he's just trying to cheat the system" questionable. It's a fine line but he should be OK.

I'd argue a bit with Madonna being a trendsetter only because I have a tough time thinking of much good music that followed her trend, other than her own. I guess female pop singers being skanks was a trend, and if so then may god bless her.

I'm not a fan of Subby's list, at all, including his first round pick.

Now that is some campaigning! :)


:D


:mad:


I knew Epic and Classic would run up a lot of good choices early. I decided to take things that were as strong as I could in shallow categories early. I hope the strategy works, and I think it has so far. I think my Epic and Classic picks are solid, but may not play as well to the voters as some other picks. I'm willing to accept that because I think they are quality picks. There are definitely some good lineups out there and hopefully I can round out my team with a good finish.

But there was a better one before that.

Even if voters generally give me low scores on Imagine, I am hoping some of my other picks will make up for it. A team can still win by hitting nothing but 3-run HRs among strikeouts.

Speaking of Subby, where is he? It's his pick. Doesn't he know he should be online at 2 O'Clock on a Saturday afternoon?

I think the Madonna pick was the biggest stretch yet.

I think Maple Leafs is damn solid (Thriller in round 5 helped), but the cover could have been better. He's definately one of the top lists so far, IMO.

I agree.

Even with his lousy cover? Just sayin'. :) :) :)

It's becoming clear to me in hindsight that taking Johnny Cash as crossover instead of using Hurt as a cover was an enormous strategical error.

Says the guy with "Imagine" as his love song :p.

I do have some picks from Subby but they're a few days old so I'm going to hold off and give him a chance to drop in. No point rushing, especially since I don't have another pick for Lathum at this point.

Uh, this is like the Houston Texans saying that drafting David Carr was a mistake, they should have taken Joey Harrington.

Proof positive that I have done a great job :)

My loins are girded.

Get out your lighters folks. It's Ozzfest time!
Arena Song: Ozzy Osbourne - Mama I'm Coming Home

Sing along with Ozzy now!

Classic - Stairway to Heaven, Led Zeppelin (1-1)
Epic - Freebird, Lynyrd Skynyrd (3-1)
Arena - Ozzy Osbourne, Mama I'm Coming Home (8-10)
Trendsetter - Like a Virgin, Madonna (6-10)
Love Song - Lola, The Kinks (5-1)
One-Hit Wonder -
Party - O.P.P., Naughty By Nature (7-1)
Crossover -
Cover - You Really Got Me, Van Halen (4-10)
Anti-Establishment - Tha Police, N.W.A. (2-10)

No it isn't... especially considering how the lists are going to be judged (by voting). I guess it depends on the relative worths of the crossover and cover songs you have to pick from (and the one you actually do).

Is this going to be a straight up-down vote or will there be scores involved?

You like country. You like it with a rock edge. You like when country guys go a little rock. And you like it when satan gets his ass served in a fiddlin' competition. Here's the best crossover from my youth:

The Charlie Daniels Band - The Devil Went Down to Georgia

Classic - Stairway to Heaven, Led Zeppelin (1-1)
Epic - Freebird, Lynyrd Skynyrd (3-1)
Arena - Ozzy Osbourne, Mama I'm Coming Home (8-10)
Trendsetter - Like a Virgin, Madonna (6-10)
Love Song - Lola, The Kinks (5-1)
One-Hit Wonder -
Party - O.P.P., Naughty By Nature (7-1)
Crossover - The Charlie Daniels Band, The Devil Went Down to Georgia (9-1)
Cover - You Really Got Me, Van Halen (4-10)
Anti-Establishment - Fuck Tha Police, N.W.A. (2-10)

Now that's good.

Lathum's pick:

Classic -Foxy Lady- Jimi Hendrix- 3.2
Epic - BaBa O'reilly ( also known as teenage wasteland)- The Who - 2.9
Arena - Iron Man- Black Sabbath- 6.9
Trendsetter - Smells Like Teen Spirit- Nirvana- 1.2
Love Song - At Last- Eda James - 4.9 ( heard at every wedding)
One-Hit Wonder - Four Non Blondes - Whats Going On? - 9.2
Party - One Bourbon, One Scotch, One Beer - George Thorogood - 7.2
Crossover -
Cover - A little help from my friends - Joe Cocker - 8.9
Anti-Establishment -American Idiot-Green Day 5.2

I was just looking around at covers and came across the "Hurt" video. Good stuff. hxxp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AO9dbmJ_2zU&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eretrocrush%2Ecom%2Fcovers%2F1%2D25%2Ehtml


I don't see that at all. You don't think "Hurt" would be a quality cover song?

I like what Oilers has done so far. I don't see a mistep for him so far.

Classic - 1.3 - Like a Rolling Stone - Bob Dylan
Epic - 3.3 - The End - The Doors
Arena - 4.8 - Where the Streets Have No Name - U2
Trendsetter - 2.8 - Respect - Aretha Franklin
Love Song - 7.3 - Can't Get Enough of Your Love Babe - Barry White
One-Hit Wonder - 8.8 - God Bless the U.S.A. (I'm Proud To Be An American) - Lee Greenwood
Party -
Crossover - 6.8 - Lose Yourself - Eminem
Cover - 9.3 - Nothing Compares 2 U - Sinead O'Connor
Anti-Establishment - 5.3 - Fortunate Son - Creedence Clearwater Revival

I think "cover song" is far and away the deepest position in the draft.

Butter_of_69's choice

Classic - Goodbye Yellow Brick Road - Elton John - 9.4
Epic - Bohemian Rhapsody - Queen, 1.4
Arena - Rock and Roll (Part Two) - Gary Glitter, 3.4
Trendsetter - Heart of Glass - Blondie - 8.7
Love Song - My Girl - The Temptations, 6.7
One-Hit Wonder -
Party - Celebration - Kool and the Gang, 5.4
Crossover - Superstition - Stevie Wonder, 4.7
Killing Me Softly - The Fugees - Cover, 7.4
Anti-Establishment - Anarchy in the UK - Sex Pistols, 2.7

True.

Perhaps so, but there are plenty of this board who'd make the argument that Cash's "Hurt" is the greatest cover song of all time.

Classic - 8.6 - What a Wonderful World - Louis Armstrong
Epic - 5.5 - Thriller - Michael Jackson
Arena - 1.7 - Welcome to the Jungle - Guns N' Roses
Trendsetter - 2.4 - Heartbreak Hotel - Elvis Presley
Love Song - 6.6 Unchained Melody - The Righteous Brothers
One-Hit Wonder - 9.5 - 99 Luftballons - Nena
Party - 4.6 - 1999 - Prince
Crossover - 3.5 - Ring of Fire - Johnny Cash
Cover - 7.5 - Burning Down the House - Tom Jones & The Cardigans
Anti-Establishment -

I've been listening to my Epic pick on youtube. ;)

Nice pick! Didn't stumble on the one-hit, so I think the list just improves in ranking.

well darn it! now igotta find another one hit wonder.

I had it on my short list as well.

Some times I feel like I've got to
Run away I've got to
Get Away!

Classic -
Epic - 2.5 - Another Brick in the Wall — Pink Floyd
Arena - 6.5-Do You Feel Like We Do--Peter Frampton
Trendsetter - 1.6 - Good Vibrations - Beach Boys
Love Song -7.6 - Baby Love--The Supremes
One-Hit Wonder - 9.6--Tainted Love--Soft Cell
Party - 8.5-Shout--The Isley Brothers
Crossover - 4.5-I Can't Stop Loving You--Ray Charles
Cover - 5.6 - Proud Mary--Ike and Tina Turner
Anti-Establishment -3.6-London Calling--The Clash

plus that gives me a chance to have supremes songs on my list twice since it is a medley with Where did my Love go?

A grand slam home run by the deacon. Brilliant pick.

Yeah, plenty of GREAT one hit wonder songs. No reason not to wait until the final few rounds to pick one.

I strongly disagree. It's deep in the sense that there are a ton of songs out there that are covers. But I think a really good pick in this category needs to be:

- a song that everyone likes
- a song that everyone knows is a cover (i.e. they know the original too)
- a song that feels different enough from the original that it's not just a copy

The list of songs like that is pretty short. Proud Mary for sure. Hurt, definitely. Knockin on Heaven's Door, I think so. All Along the Watchtower, yes. A handful of others.

I don't think "I Love Rock and Roll", for example, is a great cover, I think of it as a great song that had orignally been recorded by someone else. There's a difference.

Of course, the voters may have their own ideas...

Strangely, my top picks in 3 categories have not been called.
I get the feeling I would not have scored well if I was playing.

One Hit Wonder- Walking on Sunshine- Katrina and the Waves- 9.7

I am amazed this song is still on the board. I almost didn't pick it because maybe there's something I'm missing that makes it a bad choice. For the 8th pick of the ninth round I select the One-Hit Wonder "Mickey" by Toni Basil.

Classic - 8.3 - "A Change is Gonna Come", Sam Cooke
Epic - 6.3 - "Space Oddity", David Bowie
Arena - 5.8 - "You Shook Me All Night Long", AC/DC
Trendsetter - 2.3 - "Rapper's Delight", The Sugarhill Gang
Love Song - 7.8 - "Unforgettable" - Natalie Cole with Nat King Cole
One-Hit Wonder - 9.8 - "Mickey", Toni Basil
Party - 4.3 - "(You Gotta) Fight for Your Right (to Party)", Beastie Boys
Crossover - 1.8 - "Walk This Way", Run-D.M.C. feat. Aerosmith
Cover -
Anti-Establishment - 3.8 - "Killing in the Name", Rage Against the Machine