I wish you and your father the best Cronin.

Hmm.. well good we got Lathum. Ashame to lose ntndeacon there, I'm not sure what role ntndeacon had as the inspector, but guess I hope its not a super power role.

Either way I'll take killing one of the big three.

aaaargh. that's a mixed bag. we took out Jack which has to make us feel good, but losing Lestrade hurts!

i can't decide how i should be feeling

So that is why Lathum was so damned pissy. We are lucky as hell. Good find path and Blade (i think it was you two) Sucks about ntndeacon.

Who do you think lathum killed last night? I dont think he killed anybody luckily

I had two stents put in about 9 years ago. It's basically an angioplasty, I was back at work in less than a week and haven't had a single issue since, so with no risk factors he should have an excellent chance to be good as new. Best of luck to you both.

YES!!!! Nice play today Hoops. You pretty well single handily nailed Jack the Ripper.

Well Goldeneagle has been whining for the computer since 9 so I need to head off. Ill be on during my off period tomorrow to see what i can contribute...

Sorry, add Hoops to the list of people who pushed towards lathum's killing

Yep, wasn't looking for a tradeoff here but glad to take Jack out of the game.

Cronin, there are few things in life that make me more emotional than hearing about someone losing their father, or facing a situation where this seems like a very real possibility. I'll be hoping for the best for both of you in the coming days and I'm very glad to hear that the prognosis, for now, seems relatively optimistic.

Nice writeup!

I guess the prostitutes of London can now rest easy. :)

Truth be told, it was kind of lucky. Lathum wasn't the one killing Tyrith, as we speculated earlier. He was off killing someone else. But I'll take it.

Woot! Good job all! My thought is that Lestrade was a seer looking for Moriarty, so even though it's a loss it might not be gigantic.

My thoughts and prayers are with you and your father, cronin.

Damn. That sucks we lost ntndeacon. RIP buddy.

Ummmm...I think it's fairly obvious right now that Lathum killed Fouts in Whitechapel, Moriarty (or maybe Fagin) killed Brian D in Whitechapel, and the werewolf killed Tyrith in Commercial.

I have a pretty good trust list going right now, but I'll share in the morning (if I'm still alive).

RA, we've pretty much concluded that Mr. Hyde killed Fouts.

With Jack dead, do we lose anything by outing the working women?

Then, do you think that Lathum killed Brian D then? Must've missed the Mr. Hyde posts.

That's a great job on the lynch, although also a great job by Lathum on the retaliatory strike.

MrW, I would consider it less of a risk but still an individual decision. I know who three of them are and have suspicions on another one but would prefer to let them announce for themselves if they are so inclined.

Right now, we have the werewolf killing Tyrith, persons unknown (probably Moriarty/crew or Fagin and I'd lean to the former) killing BrianD, and Mr. Hyde killing Fouts.

I think Jack was on the prowl for working women last night. Dunno if his reason for not killing them was as stated, or something else.

hoops, fair enough. I saw two while I was out in the district last night, but I will only confirm if one of them posts it first.

I'm not upset I got lynched but the reason why but I will save it for after the game so I don't influence any gameplay.

Thanks for running the game CR and good luck to Cronin's pop.

Ah, things are making sense now. More to follow tomorrow morning. Night.

I mean good night.

I am a prosittute. I know there were 4 to start and I know of 2 others. I think now that Jack is dead it makes sense for us to reveal.

I'm sad that both path and bullet had to reveal to save me. The whole idea behind saying mum was not to make them both targets (besides me). I can verify that as of Night 1 bullet was 100% innocent. All I know about path is where he lives, though I'm glad to hear that he could vouch for my innocence as well.

I'm glad now that I never revealed where I live.

Why?

cuz are you going to be one busy busy prostitute I think. Lines around the block anyone? :D

Didn't Blade say he could get an urchin to follow someone in a few days. Do you think he is the only one who will be able to follow someone? Someone probably has or will have the opportunity to follow someone.

Um, NTN?

Wait for it ...


Wait for it ...


You are dead :(

well Iguess Ishould read everything before ipost. sorry for that bit of info. It has been a fun game. Stupid Jack killing me like that!. Good luck to the forces of Good!

yea theyre pretty sweet.

and good catch on the Ripper. who was it that sniffed out his slip up again?

Dola

heres Lathum

Because I'm thinking that there might need to be location specificity to rob someone who is staying home for instance. Or if being home has any bearing at all on an attack.

Tyrith was killed at home, right? Did he say where he lived?

I just lost my best ally...im glad we got lathum, but losing NTN was a blow to both our side and my personal game agenda.

I should explain by saying i expected to be scanned soon after revealing most of my role. His death puts a major dent in me getting scanned and allowing him to clear me if need be..hence why i lost my best ally. I am not the chief inspector, so please don think i was hinting there as i know where that leads

It was hoops who did most of the work, i just gave him some confidence.. when we were the only 2 on lathum for a little while, and i had to leave, hoops kept the heat on

As for lathum, i dont think he killed anyone. I do think he would have tonight though.

Grrr :mad: @ Lathum

ok I'm about to head off to bed and I'm going to try to make the ultimate WW-sacrifice and wake up early before work tomorrow to see if anything has gone on before noon EST. And if not then I'll hopefully be checking in from work on my break in the late afternoon and asking whoever is on for a quick summary of the day's events as scrolling on the little tiny screen of my phone is a pain. I guess I am tentatively planning on voting then, although please note Chief Rum that I have been unable to get my phone's browser to let me bold my vote. Barring that of course, I should be home ~9:45 or so EST so I could change my vote last-minute if necessary.

Friday I'm afraid will be more of the same, as will Saturday (although Saturday I get out an hour earlier).

i dont think lathum killed anyone....i would guess that he could only kill hookers, so unless he knew who one was and specifically targeted them, he would come up empty for the night...i.e, if he put in an order to kill me, he would have gotten nothing done, since i am not a hooker.

dola, awesome that we nailed lathu...i was pretty sure he was evil as soon as he did his little indignant anger routine...he always does that when he gets lynched as a bad guy

great work hoops and blade.

bummer that we lost lestrade, especially before we found out exactly what he could do and if he had any information that could help us.

NO LYNCH IZULDE

Easiest decision I've made thus far.

RIP SnDvls. You were in my circle of trust.

I have a theory why Lathum didn't get a kill on Night 1. He didn't kill because he was targeting hoops. hoops was in the Cavell district that night and Lathum was following him. At that point, Sherlock Holmes and Watson (I believe I know who you are) came up on him and chased him away. They interrogated ntndeacon instead.

The questions I'm wondering right now are:

Is Izulde evil? Remember when they're in jail they have no night or day actions, so is it a coincindence that there was only one kill last night? There is also the possibility that Hyde/WW/etc. can't make a kill every night.

Who killed SnDvls? I would guess Hyde or the WW from the description.

How is that an easy decision?

Yeah, I'm staying away from Whitechapel since it seems as if that's where Hyde is hunting.

Fouts trusted Izulde on Day 1 and Fouts is cleared as a Londoner upon his death. So I have leaned towards trusting Izulde since that time, although I have not had any night information revealed on him yet.

Because she's a prostitute. She was the lady of the night that pleasured me on Night 1, so unless there was some sort of conversion from then until now, I'm going under the assumption that she's good.

Well that clears it pretty much for me.

No Lynch Izilude

Ah. This makes sense then.

NO LYNCH IZULDE

With a shrinking list of suspects and having to go for the day until about 7 EST, I'll throw my vote out there:

VOTE LONESTARGIRL

I'll be on for a few more minutes before I have to get ready for work.

DodgerChick, did you learn anything else about Izulde as part of the prostitute/john relationship? That seems to be pretty standard in those transactions ...

NO LYNCH IZULDE

I was one busy ho last night.

I went looking for a prostitute last night, since I figured i was the only one who hadn't by now. I haven't gotten my PM yet from last night though, so if I visited you, i don't know it yet :) (guess you wern't good enough for me to remember!)

I'm leaning to No lynch izulde, was an interesting jailing considering i had the same take as hoops in somewhat trusting him since fouts backing him early on. (I had pushed for a lynch earlier on him because of how he was behaving, but fouts caused me to reconsider).

As for thoughts on others, i'll just wait till I find out what i find out.

I saw more people out and about last night, a couple of who I already felt like I had good beads on. I'm going to be very interested to see what one player in particular learned last night, based on interaction I witnessed.

hoops as I saw you (in addition to several others), are you referring to me in terms of what was learned or somebody else?

I can confirm DC's observation of Izulde, and recall that someone (Tyrith, I think) said much the same thing on day 1.

NO LYNCH Izulde

Dola, I saw Izulde working both nights (was watching as "she" was arrested), but was not a customer.

BK, you are not the one I was interested in hearing from - unless you have something especially juicy to share. Instead you were one of the people I felt like I knew about already, since I saw you on Night 0 as well.

If you weren't pretty darn sure who I was referring to it sounds like we got different info about other people in our district.

Sounds very possible as we seemed to have floated in and out of the district at different times.

Well, I'm out for the day. Good luck everyone. Right now my circle of trust includes:

hoops
Blade
Barkeep
st. cronin
DC
Izulde
Mr. Wednesday

I think I'm beginning to get a good feel for some of the others in the game as well, but I think the above are pretty solid.

Raiders if you trust me than you should also trust bulletsponge.

DT was Izulde's John at the time "she" was arrested. I saw DC, bulletsponge, and dubb were also in Cavell at that time, as they were amongst the onlookers. I later saw dubb and bulletsponge in Bishopsgate.

In addition to confirmation of the business of one person I suspected, I also have reason to have absolute trust in two other persons and a great deal of trust in a third, but I think it's best if I don't say who they are.

ARGHHHHH, i didn't slip up....

This is going to become a recurring theme in future games, I think.

On a related note, congratulations to Saldana for making it to Day 3!

well I didn't last past night 2 for the 3rd straight game

good luck villagers and my fellow women of the night ;)

I got my PM finally. I learned that I had pretty good reads on two people prior to today. I am glad I spent the money for recreation last night. I'm still worried about conversions, but I have a nice long list of people who I feel good about.

NO Lynch Izulde

I was going to vote again for DaddyTorgo, but saw Mr.W's comment about him. I'll hang out on deciding who to go for today, but right now I am leaning to voting for someone in a list of:

3. Schmidty
7. saldana
13. st. cronin
22. Swaggs

Just to note, anyone not on this list isn't necessarily trusted by me just yet, but I'm still trying to work out some pieces of their stories and not ready to lynch them just yet.

I guess I am wondering if anyone at all can vouch for these 4. I don't need what jobs they might be or how you can vouch for them.. just need to know that people who I trust or somewhat trust can vouch for them.

(I also notice I must have a thing against people with S names.)

Today will be just like yesterday for me.. mostly busy and popping in when I can.

Alan, after last night I feel significantly better about one of the guys on that list but I would prefer that one of two other people come out with information to help solidify this for me.

Two of them were in my district, and they interacted last night.

If information is slow coming out I'll reveal what I know, but I expect the involved parties can shed more details on it than I could by observing from a distance.

Thats fine with me, I just know the least about these 4 and as far as I know they have had very little backing by anyone. St.Cronin is the best on this list for me as he did show up to help Mr.W when Lathum didn't, but thats not a proof of innocence by itself.

I haven't seen anything from anyone really for Schmidty or Saldana. I havent seen anyone vouch for Swaggs either, however he did know about Bullet and Barkeep from the previous night.

I mainly want to try to narrow down where a wolf might be without accidentally outing an important good guy role. So I'm not pushing for total reveals, just want to know if I can remove any of these people from my list for today.

If I had to choose right now, I'd likely vote for Schmidty who didn't respond to my question of him yesterday and is being his normally tough to read self.

True or false: We don't know who the chief inspector is?

Alan T, I realize you don't trust me, but Schmidty and Saldana are both near the top of my trust list. Also, ntn has been shown to be good, as I am, and Lathum shown to be bad, so I am going to assume that Blade is good (since he responded the same way ntn and I did, plus he was helpful in finding Lathum).

double dola

That makes my trust list

hoopsguy
Barkeep
Blade
Schmidty
saldana

Although I'm not 100% on any of those.

Not sure about Izulde and dodgerchick. It would be useful to have a case made against Izulde, but if the inspector wants to stay hidden, that's certainly understandable.

Cronin's vouch for Schmidty means that I'll look elsewhere for my suspects today.

If you trust both Alan and Cronin, then Swaggs is the remaining name from Alan's list. That might be a good starting point for today. Has anyone seen anything from him over the last three nights, or in his posts, that inspires confidence?

Just to clarify, there are alot of people on my list of not-named people who I don't necessarily trust, but they dropped hints close enough for me to wait and see if they get anyone backing them. I could probably come up with a list of highly trusted, medium trust and low trust if needed.. but for now was mainly focusing on those I knew the least of.

I collected all the posts from Swaggs that I could find for review. He is claiming the same role as me, so lets have fun trying to pick it apart.




This is his day 1 activity. Nothing helpful, random vote.


This was after the interplay between myself and Cronin where I hinted about the opium dealer, then Dubb came out and talked about it. Swaggs quickly jumps on the opium dealer bandwagon without giving any further info or anything to clear him.


I'm actually thinking it could be Swaggs who killed Tyrith, I wonder if he was being helpful here with a kill he already knew about. I'll give my reasoning for that in his next quote.


Here is more of Swaggs with the opium theme. He says he saw them in his opium-induced dream. I dont know about anyone else, but I haven't learned sqwat from the opium dealer, much less seen someone else's actions. Has anyone else gotten lucky with the opium dealer, or only swaggs so far? I am wondering if perhaps Swaggs actually was nearby in person and witnessed this, using the opium dream as an excuse for having that knowledge and gaining trust.



More info on Swaggs's dream about barkeep and bullet. Once again I havent had anything nearly this clear from a dream..


I originally didn't catch this since I wasn't around for this, and read 100-150 posts catching up when I got home. Swaggs's story is more correct than Lathum's was as far as you don't follow a prosititute or look for a prostitute, but Swaggs wasn't exactly correct either.. You don't necessarily pick A district to visit. Its really close and I'm playing semantics here, but if he is legit, he will know the real answer here.



I don't really have great proof against Swaggs, but I'm willing to play this along a little further to see exactly how honest Swaggs has been with us.

Vote Swaggs

Things that can make me change my opinion perhaps:

1) Can any prostitute verify that Swaggs has come to visit them?
2) Swaggs can you give the full method of locating a prostitute for a night. (obviously without quoting your PM, but you should be able to get closer than saying you choose which part of the district).

I'm also willing to switch to others if people have a better candidate. I just want to get some discussion going as its been pretty slow this morning so far. Swaggs I guess seems like the best choice to run with right now, and has been super under the radar.

RAiders Army, what is your reasoning for voting for me?

no lynch izulde

My question is, how did izulde get arrested? Who arrested him and why?

just got up and saw LSG's post. havn't read the rest of the actions of the night, but i can tell you why izulde got arrested. i was there. Mr. Weds. and dubb and dodgerchick saw me (although I dunno how much of what went down they can confirm). Without quoting my PM...I was going to visit izulde because he's just such an attractive lady and I was hoping he could de-virginize me. unfortunately the cops got there first and they're not a fan of the free market economy.

izulde for murder? bah. They're clearly just anti-capitalism.

NO LYNCH IZULDE

I still want my ride you sexy thang!

I'm working my way back through my notes and think I might be wrong on Swaggs. He might be ok too. I have been reading backwards from page 18, and am on page 12.. I'll put together some more thoughts in a bit. There are a few people who have no one vouching for them so far though. I'll put together my list for everyone in the next hour or two as work allows.

i want to point out, i just re-read my PM for the night action with clearer eyes and it doesn't say WHY izulde was arrested, just that he was and we were all shooed away. so without reading the writeup i had no idea it was murder.

Gone until later today. Will be around during lynch though.

I have questions for the prostitutes. I have heard some times they find out someone is "good" but I have heard other times they didn't find that info out. Is it a -normal- thing to find out your visitor is good? Should it be suspect if someone comes to you and you don't find that info out?

what about RA? has he been cleared? i know that suspect list of yours is shrinking alan so i thought i'd toss another name out there that maybe had slid UTR...

ok...i guess i gotta leave for work in like 30 minutes, so i'm out. will be back prolly ~5:30 or 6 looking for a down-n-dirty recap so i can put in a vote that will stand until ~10 mins to lynch.

talk about your crappy work schedule for playing WW!

He is someone jumping out at me right now for sure. I'm still working on my list. back to page 9. Probably will be another hour or 2 before I post my full thoughts depending on work.

wow. makes me wish i had a job where i could do that sort of stuff, instead of this junk i'm doing now. i really do need to get my ass into grad school so i can get a "real job."

well i'll be off to the store now. adios!

I have a little bit of catching up to do, but that Izulde gets around different areas :)

Night 1 we had a good time in Bishopsgate, Night 2, I went looking for him at Cavell, but he chooses DaddyTorgo instead... curse you Daddy! ;)

I witness Izulde getting jailed along with dubb, bulletsponge and Mr. W.

I go elsewhere to hire another but come back empty handed. Oh well... at least I still have my money.

Izulde was the one that told me about seeing Mr. W going through Bishopsgate, but that's all (this was Night 1 btw). No interaction with her on Night 2, she was taken to jail without a fight.

first,

vote no lynch Izulde

second,

Alan, i cant say i am surprised i am on your list, as i havent been vouched for, but i would have hoped for a little slack from you seeing as how you asked me to recheck day ones posts after i said i was suspicious of you, and then totally laid off after seeing what i was supposed to see, but admittedly missed at the time.


third

apparently my prediction of diminishing body counts was pretty accurate...looks like whatever bad guy roles there are blew their wad on night 1, which should give us some time to root them out

Just so you know, In my own going back and catching up, I did find a few things you said that makes me feel better about you. I'm almost done with my list I am putting together, but I did catch a few things you said before anyone else that helped your cause with me.

i was trying to be subtle-like :D

Is NOBODY prepared to make a case against Izulde?

there doesnt appear to be any case to make....Dodgerchick bought Izulde's services on night one, so unless they are both bad guys and one is covering for the other, its pretty much a pretty solid choice to let him out

although as i was typing that, the possibility that both of them are bad did actually raise a bit of a bell....can anyone BESIDES dodgerchick vouch for Izulde, or can any of the other ho's vouch for DC being a john?

dola, i answered my own question....mr wednesday said he saw izulde out selling her wares on both nights, so i dont know what case there is to be made, cronin.

What puzzles me is why would the inspector lock him up, if there was no case to be made. There were other guys who seemed more suspicious to me.

Remember, Izulde was on the block on day 1, I believe, and then somebody (forget who) vouched for him, and the heat faded. So why did the inspector pick him?

It's just a puzzling sequence of events.

It was Fouts (bartender) who cleared Izulde. I think there may be more here than meets the eye. I suspect the inspector knows something that we do not know, that this was not a random grab. I am leaning heavily towards lynching Izulde, on the theory that the inspector knows something which we do not.

Work is busy today so I'll be in and out. Only person I saw last night was hoops.