but the cursed doesn't know he's cursed right?

Do the cursed even know they are cursed? I thought they only found out upon death?

Right. The cursed does not know he is cursed. In his mind he is a plain villager.

Interesting. The guy I thought was a wolf is still alive. If he turns out ot be a wolf, I'm going to kill Airhog. :p

Is the person you thought is a Wolf on this list?

Jon
Airhog
Swaggs
KWhit
Neuqua
NTNDeacon
Mustang
Eaglesfan
KevinNU
Desnudo
Lathum
NoMyths

???

:D

??? has been quiet, a little too quiet.

BTW, anyone want to lay odds on who's eaten tonight?

Not Airhog.

*L*

I'm hoping Peregrine will post that info soon.

I'm not so sure I want to know

Why? Hungry? ;)

Want to see if you ate the seer or not?



(Disclaimer: the above was a joke and was not meant imply Eaglesfan27 is anymore a werewolf than you or I. Nor was it done to deflect attention from myself.)

So... It really sucks getting through the lynching only to have to wait and see if I get eaten day after day.

Ok, I knew I was opening myself up to jokes and or suspicion with that comment, but I'm honestly afraid I'm going to get eaten tonight. Even moreso, I'm afraid a more important villager is going to get eaten.

The night passes quickly, without dreams for most of you. You wake up and troop down to the main room, trying to forget the innocent corpses stacked outside the door. There is one less of you this morning, and you find NoMyths half-eaten in his room. He seems strangely peaceful, perhaps because, from the scrying equipment you were able to find, he was the Sorceror. The rest of you (the humans, anyway) take some comfort in that.

Day Turn 5

Jon
Swaggs
TazFTW - Lynched on Day 2 (villager)
Airhog - Duke
NoMyths - killed on Night 5 (Sorceror)
Qwikshot - Lynched on Day 3 (Cultist)
Neuqua
ntndeacon
McSweeny - killed on Night 3 (Witness)
Shorty - Lynched on Day 1 (villager)
Kwhit
Mustang
BrianD - lynched on Day 4 (Doctor)
Condors - killed by the Hunter on Night 4 (Villager)
Eaglesfan
GWB - killed on Night 4 (Hunter)
KevinNU7
Desnudo
Lathum

Get your votes in by 8 pm.

Wow. The best possible scenario for us. At least the Seer is safe now.

It would appear the wolves made a bit of a mistake with their last snack selection.

Oops.

Hehe. :)

And here I thought I was being too obvious. Stupid wolves. :p

Well another small victory for us. Now we need to get a wolf tomorrow and we may stand a chance.

With friends like that...

Woo hoo! Finally, we aren't the ones making a mistake.

Just some idle thoughts (since I'm not playing)

10 are left. Speculation is there is 3-5 wolves.

IF there are 3 wolves, you have at least 1 more "Wrong" chance to lynch a villager (considering that the wolves will munch one not of their own every day). Miss the lynching opportunity and it'll be 7 v 3 down to 5 v 3 (assuming that they don't hit a Cursed... Probably unless the bodyguard at that point steps up and announces that he protected that target, everyone will assume its a cursed)

If there are 4 wolves, well.. you are in deep doo doo. Miss the lynching once, and when the wolves gnaw on one of you, it's 4 v 4.

if there ARE 5 wolves with the cursed counting. You're on your last strike and pretty much doomed. There are 5 of you, and 5 of them. Miss once, and they have you outnumbered, and they win. I THINK Peregrine stated that they were going to win if they equaled.. but not sure.

Very interesting, I think the Wolvies are going to win this one.

The clues did add up though, him wanting to help the seer and all. The wolves exactly opposite of the direction I thought they would. I figured they wouldnt eat anyone from the group that picked brianD to die since there is a good chance at least 1 of them picked him. I also have an idea as to who the seer is. Of course Ive been dead wrong about 90% of the time, but there are some sublte clues left behind.

I still believe there are 6 major suspects.
Desnudo, Jon, Swaggs, Khwit, mustang, and lathum.

Here are my reasons why I dont think the others are suspects

Eaglesfan - I dont think that qwikshot would intentionaly pick a wolf, especially since he picked eaglesfan before he knew he was going to get lynched. I might see this if he knew he was going to be lynched though.

KevinNu7 - While it isn't impossible, I just dont see him being a wolf two games in a row. I think peregrine would want to give someone else the chance to be a wolf. The was partially proven correct in the fact that GWB was not a wolf again either, however, the possiblity remains that KevinNu7 has a special role.

Neuqua - I only called him out because only one person voted for him in the previous round. Which was BrianD. I figured it would be too easy for the wolves to setup BrianD as the wolf, and frame me for it. I believe moreso that he was'nt attacked and that the bodyguard protected him. I am assuming here that if he was cursed and turned into a wolf, that the cultist would know, and since Qwikshot voted for him the next round that might help prove that he is a villager.

ntndeacon - I am most unsure about this one. If he is a wolf, then clearly desnudo cannot be a wolf. However, It might be suspicious that Jon swung the votes away from him. I was all to eager to jump on that bandwagon.

I wish I could comment, because it is pretty obvious (at least to me) who one of the wolves are. Good luck villagers.

SirFozzie, actually 11 people are left, which gives the villagers a little more breathing room.

Yeah, tried to leave enough clues that the furries would catch on. Guess they didn't. Fun game, though...had to work at it. And since I can still scratch a win out of this one, I'll wait for the victory party to properly "thank" the folks who ate me. :)

Well NoMyths, that fully explains your diminishes my potential somewhat statement that you made. Unfortunately, I didn't force the issue otherwise you would have been uncovered earlier...

As for your comments AirHog, doesn't surprise me I'm in your suspect group. Everyone left has what.. a 50/50 chance of being a wolf right now. But, a note on your list. You also have to put Neuqah in the same group as Eaglesfan if you are using the logic that Quik wouldn't have voted for a Wolf although, I would put Eaglesfan before Neuqah on the suspect list just because of the more varied options that day...

Personally, I'm surprised I'm still around for as much as I talk but, I figure I'm being used as a disinformation source.. not as much as you are mind you since you've been off a whole lot. I picked up on NoMyths little information but, unfortunately didn't press it and didn't ask again and I sure wouldn't ax him off or vote to lynch him if I had the slightest inkling he was one of my 'helpers' if I was a wolf...

Sorry.. Neuqua... not Neuqah.. :)

Jeeez. I suck at this game.

I did not get to vote in the last go around and i take full responsibility for it. My bad guys. I won't try to let that happen again.

Small victory, but a wolf would have been much better for our diminishing numbers.

I had a feeling that NoMyths was one of the remaining role players (sorcerer, bodyguard, or seer). With the seer still out there, we should be beginning to see the shape of the wolfpack, so I think we should all trying to see who is being subtle in suggesting people without trying to draw attention to themselves.

Wouldn't have mattered actually..

All it probably would have done is drawn attention to you..

ah whoops. Missed Airhog is the Duke and #11.

This will be a very busy day for me, again, but I won't be able to check in too much, I don't think, so I'm going to make one comment on my perception of everything. II think we've been making a mistake by focusing on people who haven't been posting a lot. Looking at that, as well as the content of the postings (good evidence of diversion) and trying to get us to focus attention on other people. But, what really sticks out is this particular post. Now, it will be argued that it's a typo or that I'm taking it out of context, but I look at it as a clue: . It doesn't say eaten. It says eating. Who else does the eatin, but a wolf.

Vote Lathum

Im really torn here. I see two people that could either be a wolf, or the seer. This is the first vote that lathum has gotten in this game.

However Jon, I dont see this as a clue. I also don't think we have been focusing on the people that are quiet, since nearly everyone we have axed was very vocal.

Yeah, stop focusing on the quiet ones and start lynching the poor typists ;).

In any case I have one guess on a seer, one guess on a wolf I've suspected since the very start, and maybe another guess on a wolf (do to the actions of my suspected seer).

I hoped I didn't contribute at all with this post.

Didn't get to vote yesterday. Very disappointed in the way things turned out. I also think Lathum is a wolf because he was the first to do last game.

This may be the first vote that Lathum has gotten in the game, but that's not really significant, IMO. The reason he hasn't gotten a vote is b/c he's done a good job of flying under the radar. This is most important lynching, IMO, and we need to make sure we get it right. I know you suspect me, but, trust me Duke, I ain't no wolf.

Damn you (and good job) for turning my suspicion of you into mass hysteria against me. My only consolation is that you really can't still scratch a win out of the game because you are dead.

Villagers, you really need to be less happy about seeing a cultist or sorcerer die. While it takes someone away from the wolf team, it still brings you closer to losing. Having the wolves eat a sorcerer is better than having them eat the seer, but it is still one more villager down.

Is the Brutal Wolf a known role or does it just happen? Right now, there are 11 people left. Broken down by role -

1 Seer?, Unknown
1 Cursed?, Unknown
1 Bodyguard?, Unknown
1 Duke, Airhog
3 Wolves?
4 Villagers

There is a good chance that whomever is lynched is going to have a role (7 out of 10.. Airhog doesn't count). If it is an innocent person, that means that tomorrow, there would be 9 left. I feel that the wolves were lucky in hitting the cursed one on the first or second night which would make it 4 werewolves right now. Under the above scenario, if an innocent is lynched tonight and the brutal wolf is a known role then we have to be very careful that the wolves don't steer us towards the brutal wolf as that would end the game.

I'll agree with Jon.. this IS the most important vote. Not ruling Lathum out at all but, we need something more than eatin' vs eaten. Qwik was called out on the us/you thing (or whatever grammer error there was). I definitely buy that..

Yeah, and there could even be 5 wolves now. We just don't know.

Actually...I asked for clarification about this issue from Peregrine when the game began. He stated that a win for the wolves is still a win for the Sorcerer, even if he has been lynched. I'm assuming that this is in part because the Sorcerer still counts as a villager in the ratio count to determine if the wolves have evened things out or not. After all, otherwise there's no benefit to the Sorcerer role.

Which then we have to worry about that possibility now...

Whoa there. Go back and read any of my 1500 posts and there will probably be misspellings in most of them. I am a world champion misspeller. If you wanna vote for me go ahead and make that mistake, but at least find a better reason then that.

Again, I need to argue this logic, it would be pretty obvious for me to be a wolf or to have a different role this game, I'm actually surprised I haven't been called out on this sooner.

I am suspicious of the 2 people who didn't vote. At this late stage in the game it is very dangerous to call someone out. It would be alot safer to miss a vote and not piss anyone off, especially if you see the vote is heading in a certain direction.




P.S. I realize people have lives, I am soley making this comment with the strategy of the game in mind.

I can respect the suspision you have for me. The truth is I was shopping for an overn with my future mother-in-law and lost track of time. Trust me, I'd rather have been on here posting :)

What's an overn?

You know, the thing under the storve.

Boo

Hi Jeebs

Well, I have to go to lunch with my soon to be new boss. I also have to do some orientation things. I might not be back online until this evening as a result. However, I'm positive that I should be back on at least an hour before the lynching to consider all of the new evidence in this thread.

Ok, after JON casted his vote based on my spelling I felt compelled to take a close look at his reasons. The werewolves have been making seemingly random kills throughout and have been very lucky. All of the roleplayers are dead except the bodyguard and maybe the cursed, the bodyguard is a very valuable asset to us villagers. Killing the sorcerer was a setback for the wolves, and now they are probably scheming to try and get the bodyguard lynched.

Now the point was made about me getting killed first last game so I MUST have some kind of role as a reward, I don’t agree with this logic but I can understand the thought process behind it. If the wolves subscribe to this theory then they must be sure I am the bodyguard and they are trying to cast suspicion on me. Up until now I think they left me alone because they suspected me as the sorcerer, now that the sorcerer is dead they think I am the bodyguard. If they feel I have a role it has to be the cursed or the bodyguard. Only the wolves know if the cursed was already attacked, I find this very unsettling because if the cursed was attacked the wolves numbers are even greater and they are the only ones who would be able to make a better guess as to who the bodyguard is.

My philosophy is that the wolves think I am the bodyguard and want the villagers to lynch me, then they get another kill tonight and they will be dominating us.

I think they are trying to put this plan into motion with Jon’s vote early. Then in a few hours one of the other wolves speaks up and tries to get the mob mentality going. Then a few hours later another wolf speaks up, they want to space it out so it doesn’t look suspicious, and by Jon voting so early that allows them to do that.

.Jon was the first one to act and vote extremely early for me, this sticks out like a sore thumb if you ask me. Jon’s pattern has been to sit back and take in information then vote, he has changed twice, usually after the vote has pretty much been decided and has always voted for the majority. For him to single me out and vote so early is very strange.

I think I owe eaglesfan an apology, I’m not sure if he is innocent but it seems to me Jon is up to something. He only posted once in the first 165 posts, didn’t want to draw attention to himself? Then he started posting once the talk shifted to lynching shorty, then he became very active when comments started to fly about being cautois of quite people. He also has changed his vote twice, both times changing to the majority, is that so he doesn’t piss anyone off?

If you want to vote for me based on suspiscouns you have then it is your choice to make that mistake, but at this critical point I think it is silly to base your vote on someone’s poor spelling. We need to be very carefull here. Based on everything I see

I VOTE FOR JON

I didn’t want to have to vote this early, but this vote is so crucial I felt the need to bring these points to light then back them up with my vote. The history of this game is not very good for people who speak out early, but this is the most important vote we have had so we need to get it right.

I have 2 people that I am looking at closely right now.

I'm suspicious of anyone who jumps on a post and twists it to throw suspicion on them. The latest was by Jon who tried to twist an obvious typo or misspelling (eatin vs. eaten) into a clue that Lathum is a wolf. The context of the statement made it obvious what he was trying to say. Anybody could see that. But Jon chose to make it into a big clue. Strange.


The other example of this I pointed out last night by ntndeacon. I'll post it again here. Maybe I just didn't follow his reasoning, but it seems like a stretch to me:


He admitted later that he did it just to get out of hot water and get the heat off of himself.


So did we change our minds about ntndeacon too rashly?

I personally think that both of these guys could be werewolves, but I'd bet that at least one of them is.

Hehe. Didn't see Lathum's post before I posted mine.

*L*

Ping:KWhit your box is full? Been getting alot of private messages there lately have we KWhit??? :D

I did notice that the poster has 1 post. Now, either a wolf was trying to send a message to KWhit and his box was really full and couldn't put their own ping out there so, had to create a new userid OR one of the wolves is trying to be really creative in trying to point to KWhit.. I didn't send a PM to KWhit to test if his box is really full as I believe that would really be cheating since players can not PM each other. If KWhit was a Wolf, another Wolf would not have to be the smartest to do something like this and really point out KWhit...

I have to believe it is the former and not the later.. Plus, I'm stuck between thinking that tactic was ingenious :D or kinda cheesy.. :rolleyes:

No Kwhit. I did not admit to JUST to get myself out of hot water. Was that a reason for me posting more, yes, but it wasn't the only reason. Even in the second post you quote I mention two reasons there. I had not said much of any consequence was the second, and more important reason. Also, I knew for a fact the folks voting for me were wrong. Plus it wasn't like I hadn't voted for Desnudo before.

And no, my PM box is not full. And it hasn't been full recently. Looks like the wolves have me targeted for a set up. Pretty good tactic, actually.

They probably see me as vulnerable since I'm on Airhog's new list and I'm being vocal again. Being vocal seems to be the kiss of death in this game.

No denying that. The funny thing is a recurring theme in this game is to be cautious of the quiet people, then the ones who speak out get lynched. Does that strike anyone else as odd?

You guys shouldn't be peeking at inboxes...I don't think that is kosher.

Just my .02 cents.

I thought I remembered addressing this issue in the first game:


Talk about using my own words against me! I gave somebody a great idea.

Ahh... but half the fun of the game is having people use your words against you. Now you know how Tom Cruise feels.. :D

Does anyone feel like the seer has tried to send us a message yet?

Lathum didn't mention the seer in his big rant which made me think he was the seer

You mean Katie Holmes. Oh wait! You said HOW he feels. That would be the electric moonbeams that go through the talky box that shows his movies.

I see a couple of possible factions right now. One might contain KWhit and Lathum, the other is led by Jon. Now which one is good and which one is evil? I have to admit that so far the points seem to be stacking up against Jon. His voting record is especially odd. However, I'd like to hear some more discussion.

And you all realize that we almost got the sorcerer on day 1? I swear if Get Shorty wasn't such a cool phrase, this game would have turned out differently.

5 days later you finally go down!!!

Bitter corpses.

Told you that we should have burned them.

Well everyone I am heading out of the office and most likely won't psot again tonight. For the sake of us villagers I hope that does not make me a suspect, but there isn't much I can do about it. At this time I can not place a vote on anyone and actually feel comfortable about it so it looks like I may go two nights in a row without voting. Man that looks bad. Oh well better then randomly voting for someone for no reason.

If you would like, I'll vote for you. :)

Now that he is gone...

:D

A few things:
(1) I posted early b/c I had an extremely brutual case on, again, today, so I wanted to post very quickly based upon my observations.
(2) For the most part, I've been going with the flow. My explanations may not be entirely clear, but if I have a strong belief that someone is not the wolf, then I tend to go with the flow.
(3) As for suspicions of me, Lathum voted for me b/c he's a wolf. His misspelling is a Freudian slip, if you will.

The way I see things, I'm either going to be lynched or lunch.

Honest mistake, either way, bodyguard or seer the wolves would want me dead.

Without giving specifics, I think there is a good bit of evidence that suggests that Jon is a wolf. I'm voting for one of two people today that I feel have strong signs and since it seems like today some other people are keying in on the same clues that I am, I vote for Jon.

You have several choices: you can either vote for the wolf Lathum (and subsequently pay attention to those who didn't vote for him, as they are likely wolves as well) which would eliminate one wolf and start to turn the tide in favor of the villagers or you can follow the wolf bandwagon and vote me out, which would ultimately result in losing two villagers tonite. Or you can pick someone entirely different and run the risk of picking yet another villager.

I may not be home in enough time to see how the bandwagon goes. But, I will say this: I didn't vote for NoMyths (and argued enough to swing the vote) or GWB because they weren't wolves. I would never vote for EaglesFan or Nequa, because they are not wolves. I'm voting Lathum, b/c he's a wolf. Granted, I had some votes wrong (like everyone else), and I didn't know NoMyths was a sorcerer. . . but you can't see everything.

Hindsight is 20/20

Last I checked we haven't had much success voting for wolves. This is our chance to get it right.

And we'll get it right by voting Lathum....

Unvote Jon for now, while I read back through.

Hmmm... some very interesting developments lately. I'm going to re-read through the thread, but I'm fairly sure who I am voting for.

Is he trying to tell us something?

gotta run to eat dinner, but when I get back, I will do a full review of the latest developments :D

At this point, that is what I am measuring.

You're not the only one.

Definitely not the only one. I tend to believe him. I wasn't going to call attention to his post, but this has already been done. I know some of what he said is true, and I suspect it is all true. Everything I've read in this thread, has me more convinced that I'm making the correct choice than any of my other votes.

I vote Lathum

This is quite a interesting time in this game.

give me a break, how obvious could he be. I stand by my vote, and I base it on more then a spelling error.

I have doubts about Jon, Lathum & NTN (still at this point). The going back and forth between Jon and Lathum today seems a little odd as it was 2 people that have not even mentioned each other now, all of a sudden.. Jon started with the Eatin' statement which was weak but, jumped straight to the 'see' statement right away but, was it too strong? Seems like if he is the seer (Let's all admit it, that's what we are thinking) he might want to protect himself a little more and build an argument. Although, if he is the seer, I could see the importance of wanting to get it out in the open. We were already having doubts on Lathum. I think today is the most I've seen Lathum talk.. except for the first game/first day where he was lynched. :D

Like I stated before, if tonight is wrong.. :p

Still alot of people button lipped around unfortunately. :(

Seems the absolutely ONLY logic I can come up with is -

1.) Jon could be a brutal wolf, wants us to kill an innocent and then kill him.. he effectively takes out 2 of us.

OR

2.) Jon is the seer and Lathum is indeed a Werewolf.

We really need to get one tonight. If Lathum is an innocent, I would strongly recommend against not lynching Jon until the end. If he is the brutal werewolf and the last one taken out, it won't matter.

Having said that, we are helped either way I believe as we eliminate 2 voting options because we will know what Jon is either way.


Vote Lathum

Darn board error made me lose a long well thought out post. I'll attempt to recreate it:

You are right, there is no need to beat around the bush. I think Jon is the seer. His message clearly indicates info about several people that he viewed. All of those viewings make sense because they were all people under scrutiny at some point. He says I'm not a wolf and I know I'm not a wolf. I think all of the viewing information is accurate.

Why would he reveal that he is the seer now? Well, because there might be 4 or 5 wolves out there. If there are, we can not afford another error as it could end the game. Now is the time of the game, where I think the seer HAS to be more obvious if we haven't picked up on any subtle clues before.

Also, in reviewing Lathum's posts, it is clear that he has carefully raised suspicions against several innocents before slipping back under the radar. He has played the part of the werewolf very well (as have all of the wolves since they are all alive.) I feel more confident of this vote, than any other vote in this particular game. Hopefully, we all get this correct tonight.

The only thing I am worried about now is Jon making himself look "too much" like the seer. That is a good defensive/sacrifice move to get us to lynch another villager tonight and allow the werewolves to kill another one of us tonight. That would be a 2-1 trade after we kill him tomorrow, with it being the werewolves turn again. Throw in the option of him potentially being the brutal wolf (which would be wise of the wolves to do if they were going to sacrifce one of their own), and it could be a 3-1 or 4-1 tradeoff. That could potentially end the game for us tomorrow.

Probably too much for me to say outloud, but we are real close to losing this game. We need to make the right move for sure tonight.

I agree with everything you just said. There is definitely that risk that Jon is faking us out. However, I think the Seer HAS to be obvious at this point. From viewing all of the posts in this thread, my gut tells me he is the seer. I hope I'm not wrong.

The voting history is making me think that Jon is not the seer.

I find it odd that Jon went from a spelling error to a strong argument in such a short time. Although that could be chalked up to a badly botched attempt at avoiding revealing himself as the seer. However his argument came about, it does make some good points.

If it was earlier in the game then the decision wouldn't matter nearly as much, but if we get this one wrong, it's pretty much curtains for the villagers. I still need to think things over.

Brutal wolf or not, a wolf needs to go tonight.

I missed EF's and Mustang's posts before, since mine appeared as the last one.

Glad I'm not the only one thinking the way I am.

The seer being obvious would be suicide. It is much more likely he is a wolf trying to look like the seer,. Jon knows at this point we are analyzing every detail, such as spelling errors. He knows someone would pick up on this and he made some comments. If he were the seer he would be commiting suicide because the wolves would target him at some point and they are close to winning. If I am lynched Jon knows the wolves have another kill tonight and the lynching tomorrow, that could be a 3-1 swing and goodnight for us villegars.

Us getting one wrong, would end the seer's life most likely as the wolves would overwhelm us very soon. Yes, the seer is putting himself in danger by revealing himself, but he would be doing so for the greater good of possibly helping the humans to win. Furthermore, IF there is a bodyguard left, I'm sure he would protect Jon if you end up being a werewolf Lathum.

but at this point in the game, it would almost make sense to give it away, especially if one more villager gets lynched and the game is over...Just food for thought.

Don't be so sure Jon will be protected

I just can't see the seer trying to out themselves like Jon did and I think the voting patterns support that. If I'm wrong, we're screwed big time. But if he is a wolf and we kill someone else this time, it could end the game. I'm going to take a chance. I vote Jon.

If you end up being a wolf, it would be crazy for the bodyguard to not protect Jon (if there is even a bodyguard in this game.)

I'm thinking the same way. The choice for the seer is really the lesser of two evils. Although saying you're the seer doesn't make it so.