Pennsylvania does not have early voting. McCain is targeting it b/c that makes it the most likely to move from the current poll numbers.

And it isn't like he really has anywhere else to target.

what would Huckabee think of Pentacostalists? I wonder...

Biden is a disaster. I'm not sure that arguing that he's better than Palin is a good tactic to use. If his speeches and goof-ups were implanted into a female candidate, he'd be laughed off the public stage as being inept and ill-informed. FWIW.....the Democrats knew he'd make a lot of stupid mistakes during the campaign, so at least they knew what they were getting into in this case.

Interesting question a friend of mine asked me while we were drinking a couple of nights ago:

If Obama wins the presidency, what do you think the chances are of him being assasinated by an American during his term as president?

Regardless of his shortcomings on the campaign trail (which have been well documented) - you can't seriously be arguing that Sarah Palin is as intelligent as Joe Biden. You really can't be...can you?

I can sit on my front porch and watch. My voting place is across the street from me at the local community college.

I'm not sure that we can fully know. I do know he has a lot more experience in government affairs and that she gets the nod in regards to executive experience. I think she's been severely restrained during this election, which has lead to that perception. If you watch the Alaska debates, she's much more forceful and comes across as being very intelligent. The campaign handlers have done a wonderful job of turning her into a robot, which obviously was a poor choice.

She was the CEO of one of the 50 states. That's not a qualification?

I'm not going to make her out to be the be-all, end-all of candidates, but she's more than just a pretty and religious person.

Executive experience?

Would that be as mayor of a town that has fewer people than fit in your average baseball stadium (or hockey rink for that matter)? Or her brief experience running the largest welfare state in the country (during which time it appears she couldn't even keep her own hands clean: Troopergate, travel expenses, "first husband", etc). Frankly if that's the kind of executive experience you are touting, I'd rather do without it.

I also think executive experience is very overblown. The president is so surrounded by "executives" and other functionaries that he really doesn't need to have any executive experience himself - that's what his Chief of Staff is for, for example.

Low. Anything can happen, but we've gotten a lot better at protecting the President since the 60s. I mean, anyone can run up with a gun (Hinkley-Regan), but it isn't what you would call a common event.

I guess if I had to pick a number, I'd say that there's a .5% chance of it happening.

So in other words, you're ready to downplay the size or importance while playing up the experience of a man in one of the smallest states in the union who hasn't lead a single company and has a job where he never has to be the person solely responsible for the ramifications of his decisions?

I think a much fairer point to be made is that Joe Biden is just as likeable as Palin from a personal standpoint and it's blatently obvious that both of them are where they are at this juncture politically because they are legitimately good people.

I think this is a bad topic on so many levels, especially from a karma standpoint. Probably best to stick to the issues.

Just ask Mustang. :D

I would, though I could see your argument that others would not. I've seen big impacts in my own life from the actions of a couple of governors in Missouri. They are in a position to do a lot of good for thousands or millions of people.

Wow. I am honestly shocked here. Not that someone's going this low, with a week to go till the election, but who it is.

CNN Political Ticker: All politics, all the time Blog Archive - Dole’s ‘Godless’ ad causes stir « - Blogs from CNN.com

(CNN) — The already-contentious North Carolina Senate race took a brutal turn Wednesday after incumbent Sen. Elizabeth Dole released a television ad suggesting challenger Kay Hagan is "Godless."

“A leader of the Godless Americans PAC recently held a secret fundraiser for Kay Hagan,” the 30-second ad says before showing clips from members of the group declaring God and Jesus do not exist.

“Godless Americans and Kay Hagan. She hid from cameras. Took godless money,” the ad's narrator also says. “What did Kay Hagan promise in return?”

The ad ends with an unidentified female voice declaring, "There is no God."

The Dole campaign says it's basing its charge on Hagan's attendance at a fundraiser that was in the home of an advisor to the Godless Americans’ political action committee, a group that promotes rights for atheists.

In a conference call with reporters Wednesday, Hagan said she has never heard of the Godless PAC and said the fundraiser in question had more than 40 hosts, including Sen. John Kerry. She also said she has contacted her lawyers to issue a cease-and-desist order on the commercial.

"I am absolutely appalled at Elizabeth Dole's vile tactics," Hagan said. “This is politics of the worst kind, and I know it has been rejected by North Carolinians at every level. It is so unbecoming of a woman like Elizabeth Dole. This is a fabricated, pathetic ad."

The problem with Palin's experience is that Alaska is SO different from all the other states, it's ridiculous. Alaska has no income tax, and actually gives its residents rebates every year due to the state's oil wealth. It also is one of the least diverse states in the union, and one of the least populated.

Her main problem right now is that up until a couple of months ago, she had no interest in anything going on outside her state. You could see in the VP debate that she had plenty to say on energy and oil... because that is what her state is involved in. If she can get motivated to learn about the rest of the world and the economy over the next 4 years, I honestly think she could be a force in 4 years.

But there are a lot of people that will never get over their first impressions of her, and I think that is what will ultimately keep her out of the spotlight, and as a historical footnote once this race is all over.

I thought it was neatly summed up when some pundit said (paraphrasing here): "The hardest decision Sarah Palin has had to make as governor of Alaska was how big a check to give Alaskan citizens from the oil windfall profits tax."

She had no problem cutting the whole state a check but in her stump speeches she says Obama's three percent increase on income taxes for the highest earners will reduce all motivation for anyone to work and put us on the road to a Marxist dictatorship. Outstanding logic.

And LOL @ the Elizabeth Dole ad, especially the ending.

Dole's ad is so over the top that Hagan's people have sent her a cease and desist letter about it.

Basically, Dole is a bad senator who figured that her name recognition and NC's ruby red status in national politics would let her coast to victory until she decided to give up the seat. That's why, I expect, she was so much more involved in national GOP politics than in keeping the people happy back home.*

Now that Hagan's giving her a run for her money, she is running around like a chicken with her head cut off. She had NO IDEA that she might have to actually work to keep her seat.

*She should have paid more attention. Y'all know Jesse Helms as a national conservative figure. But in NC, he was known for his constituent services. Stories abound down here of people trying to get things done through some federal agency or other and spending weeks and months on letters and phone calls, until someone says "why don't you call Jesse?" and the problem is solved, like, that afternoon. People got used to that. And they don't like Senator Dole spending her time rubbing elbows with the national GOP and ignoring us little folk. She should have learned from the master.

2 things;

1) I hate it that we live in time and a country in which the term "Godless" is basically a slur. If she really was godless, it would make her a more attractive candidate in my book (though of course she'd never be elected).

2) This sounds even more fabricated than the "Obama pals around with terrorists" claim. Can't republicans win a race without making shit up?

Be honest here...how many of you democrats masturbate while reading this thread. I've never seen so many people get off over stupid shit in my life. This is like a dems circle jerk.

:popcorn:

Be honest here, you're trolling. Apparently Arlie, Cam, MBBF, Jon and others are part of a Dems Circle Jerk? Talk about missing the target here.

Nothing better than going home and rubbing one out to some MBBF poll analysis.

Mmmmmmmmm.

Sorry, had a moment there. I'll be back in about 4 minutes.

You are so blinded by your views that you cannot even begin to understand what I am saying.

When I see that you were the last one posted in the thread...I can predict what your post is about without even reading it. It's hilarious.

I'm back. Couldn't even wait to get to the bathroom here at work. I just hid under my coat.

I feel better. A LOT better.

A masturbation post by a guy named Dr Sak.

Imagine that.

You ain't Manfred Mann and I'm not "Blinded by the Light". I think the problem is you're speaking the Trollish language here.

So, apparently it's a circle jerk when people make fun of a Democrat having multiple mistresses and basically pimping her out at political gatherings?

We're not Anti-Republican. We're anti STUPID. Is it our fault that most of the stupid things this election have had a big R next to them? If the D's stand for Dumb instead of Democrat, then we make fun of them too,.

Admit it, you're just upset that your "side" is about to take its second straight shellacking at the polls and lashing out.

:confused: :confused: :confused:

From a post I made on the 24th in this very thread:

ABC News: New Allegations in Mahoney Sex Scandal

This Mahoney thing is getting uglier and uglier. Mahoney still hasn't dropped out of the re-election campaign, but pulled out of tonight's debate.. saying that he didn't want to be a nationally televised circus. Why, you may ask?


"a) Calling Allen (his Mistress) late in the evenings and demanding "phone sex;"
b) Demanding that Allen answer his calls or face termination;

c) Demanding that Allen attend fundraisers and "tease c-ck" to bring in more donations from the male members of the public;

d) Demanding that Allen engage in sexual conduct with another woman for his enjoyment."

Current and former staffers told ABC News the allegations contained in the "demand letter" sent to Mahoney were backed up by tape recordings of phone calls between the Congressman and Allen.

These poll weightings are off! Excuse me for a minute, folks...

Yawn. I'm getting tired of this complaint. Sorry that Republicans are outnumbered here, but that's the way it is. Not sure what you want us to do about it. It's certainly reversed in other places. You can always go there.

I even offered to have a separate thread opened where I was the only liberal that would post, so all the conservatives could gang up on me. Put up or shut up.

I'm back!

This gets me every time :lol:

He should have found a hotter mistress IMO.

aaaah, must have missed that. Dude sounds like an idiot.

You got a little on your sleeve there, Kodos.

If Hitler created a good Football sim, I'd buy it. Why the hell would anybody care the political persuasion of a game designer?

Bingo! Plus Arlie, like Jon.. is a good guy to talk to.. just you need to know what hot buttons to avoid in conversation. I think the saying goes "I don't hold his affiliation against him, he doesn't hold my affiliation against me.. what's the big deal?" :)

As for the actual circle-jerkiness of it all... I think what happens is when a conservative poster says something, there are going to be six or seven responses from non-conservatives. That can certainly make someone feel like they're being ganged up on, though I don't think that's the intent.

Of course the tone of some the comments leaves much to be desired... but that's hardly the fault of one side. It's just with one sided over-represented, they're going to have more assholes posting. :)

Nah. I think it's about equal.

:)

I know that posting in these threads may upset some. But, my thinking is as long as I am somewhat respectful, it won't be that many. I don't rely on revenue from my games to live and make them for the same reason I post here - I enjoy it. So, if some people decide not to play a game I make because of postings on FOFC, they will just be missing out on a fun game :D

But, I have to actually finish the game before I can start worrying about losing sales ;)

Mizz,

Seriously? She is a moron. I believe she it took her 6 years and four colleges for her finally graduate?

And if it's not, the poll weighting is definitely to blame.

Well I agree up to a point. I think someone's views could go far enough to make me avoid their products no matter what. Hitler would certainly fall in that category. Arlie would not.

My favorite BBQ place is Williamson Brothers. They are big time Republican supporters, but as long as they keep cooking some good pig, I don't care. I would avoid Goebbels BBQ.

Yeah, well, with the max exodus in recruits because of Lute stepping down, those days may be gone for a while :(

I'll admit I am a troll when you admit you are so blinded by your views that you couldn't see you feet if they were right in front of your face. This doesn't just apply to politics, it applies to everything about your views...from sports on. You only see one side Foz. If you can't see that, there are probably 100 threads (I am underestimating) that any one of us could point to as proof.

I am not upset that "my side is taking a shellacking". I want what is best for the country. I don't think Obama is it, but if he wins he can prove me wrong. I'm not going to throw a fit like a lot of democrats did when Bush won in 04. I am not going to threaten to move to Canada. I'm hear for the long haul and will make the best of my life no matter who is President.

There are issues I side with Obama but for the majority I side with McCain. You see I can admit things like this...you can't. I bet you are one of those people that walks up to the voting booth and pulls the lever next to Democrats, and walks away.


You aren't the one I am talking about.

Yes, I was right and in fact even worse than I thought she went to 5 "colleges" in 6 years. Now that is impressive :D . Now on second thought, you are right she is qualified to be Vice President of the United States of America if not president. :eek:

I don't think it's the political affiliaton as much as the manner in which he posts his opinions. He can be very condescending. I dunno. If I were a game designer posting on a forum with prospective customers, I would make sure not to get involved in threads where stating my opinions might offend customers.

I'm not saying that this has happened. On the other hand, I wouldn't be surprised if it has in some cases. I know if I find someone distasteful, I will do my best not to do anything that would benefit them. Just sayin'.

That said, I'd still be playing BBCF if the gamelogs were more like Solevision. But that's a topic for a different thread. :)

One thing I have noticed that sure can't be any poll bias stuff is that fact that no matter which poll you trust they are all showing McCain up by only single digits in Arizona and CNN has it at 4 points. I am not sure whsat that is all about but it sure is telling of the direction McCain's campaign is going.

Having BTDT, I think I can comment.

It's about not being comfortable directly putting money into the pocket of the enemy ... or alternately just a general asshat. This is just one of the personal things that can color your feelings about a transaction - same as with getting unwarranted attitude from a sales clerk or annoying telemarketing calls from a company,etc.

Unfortunate reality is that it's easier to tolerate pyschologically when there's more degrees of separation between your dollar & the end recipient so it's tougher for the small developer's, but that runs both ways since a lot of us can probably identify cases where we've spent more with someone we liked than we might have otherwise.

edit to add: I think I must have largely skipped over some drama here, as I'm only vaguely following what this has to do with this thread (I think I got it now, I didn't until the last page or so), so consider my answer to be entirely general in nature.

I hope that Brady injury works out okay!
















No, really!


















No, I'm not being sarcastic!



















Cross my heart, I hope he comes back from it as good as new!
























Really!

I avoid eating Mongolian BBQ cause of their ties to Ghengis Khan.

Actually, let's see.

Last election I voted for Duval Patrick, true. Before that, I voted for the following people (all of whom were elected as Governor)

94: Weld
98: Cellucci
02: Romney (although I much regretted it later, when Romney went hard right to get ready for his Presidential run).

Scott Brown is my State Senator, and I've voted for him ever since he did an interview for the radio station I worked at the time

Want to know something interesting, Sak? All of them have big ol fashioned R's next to their name on the ballot.

So your insinuation that I am some kind of Democrat sheep is ridiculous. As I have stated before. I'm a registered indepedent. I may lean Democrat in general, but I'm no sheep.

As I said, and you've completely ignored.. I'll mock stupidity on all sides. Is it really my fault that most of the stupidity, the hypocricy, and the idiocy has been coming from the right hand side of the political ledger the last few years?

If I was truly the democrat-sheep you try to paint me at, I would have pointed out that Mahoney was a Republican, and turned Democrat to run for Foley's seat, and said something pithy like "Guess you can't reform a Republican".

I hate the Kos Kiddies as much as I hate the Freepers.

You voted for Scott Baio?

*hits you with a nine iron*

So you support Bush's policy of torture?

"Scott Baio is 48, Married, a Dad, and Running for Office"

No, if I supported Bush's policies on torture, I wouldn't hit you with the nine iron, I'd just stick it in an uncomfortable place before having you waterboarded. ;)

Hm, I wonder who it was... :confused:

Interesting article:

Social conservatives fight for control of Republican Party - Los Angeles Times

I try not to be condescending, but there's always that risk in a political thread. I think your point is correct and there is also a risk of losing customers the more people find out about you politically (as Jon said as well). I would also state that I think there is some advantage to being active in a community like FOFC outside of just comments on your game. In the end, I think it's a net gain to be involved, but there is a chance for some people to not want to support you.

After the election, I will probably dial back the political thread involvement as I just won't be as interested. So, that's probably a good thing in some respects. Still, I was a poster on FOFC before I started making games and enjoy the discussions here.

I saw somewhere, a speculation that there's likely going to be a fight between the Social Conservatives who will flock to Palin, and the financial conservatives who want Romney to be the 2012 candidate. Not to mention the neo-cons..

I see they have a big conference/post-mortem scheduled for 2 days after the election. Hopefully for the Republican Party, they get all their horses pulling in the same direction

I just don't see social conservatism winning elections and congressional seats outside the bible belt.

Batman

Make a note: Any flocking in her direction will be temporary. More effective candidates will emerge (and/or reappear) to take the bulk of that wing.

I certainly hope so, Jon.. buit where you have people declaring the litmus test of "Who's really a republican?" coming out of the 08 election is how you reacted to Palin throughout the election, it makes me worried, that they're going to spend the next four years, making Palin out to be Reagan reborn.. put the cult of personality around Obama to shame.

Pish tosh. She was the only available port in a very bad storm. She'd have to be lucky to finish third in a three horse race with Huck & Mitt. After next week, with the exception of the occasional scandal notable only because was briefly relevant, she'll be less notable than the remainder of Ferraro's career. Basically she'll be to politics what Danny Bonaduce is to celebrity.

I still fear Huckabee more than anyone else on the Republican side. From what I've seen he's far and away the best politician. A McCain/Huckabee ticket would have been a much tougher match IMO.

Huckabee, Romney, Leiberman, Giuliani, Pawlenty and Jindal would all likely have been better, electorally, for McCain. Perhaps the only major name who would have been worse is Fred Thompson.

I think it depends on what the landscape is when election season starts. If Obama has turned things around and has high approval ratings, Mitt, Jindal, and co. will be sitting it out. In that scenario, I could see Palin getting in as a sacrifice candidate.

If Obama is tanking, then it will be a free for all and Palin won't stand a chance.

Yup.

(Although we see how well waiting an election did for Hillary. Letting Kerry be the sacrificial lamb in 2004 worked out fine. The second part of the plan, however. . . .)

Agree completely. As much as I like Palin, I think she's a better fit for RNC chair than Pres/VP. She motivates the base and can raise money, but I'm not sure I want her running the country. I would be very interested in Romney, Jindal, maybe Huckabee and maybe even Rudy. Outside of Romney (who's Mormon faith will always hurt him in elections), I could see any of the rest beating Obama in 2012 if there's an opening.

I'm gonna laugh my ass off if this is how the 30 minute Obama ad starts:



HI AMERICA, BILLY MAYS HERE WITH A MESSAGE ABOUT BARACK OBAMA!

This is really interesting to me - because I'm looking at Red State and Free Republic (two of which I consider the bigger hard-core "conservative" sites, the latter more nut jobby than the former), and I seem to see a lot of Palin is great, Palin in 2012 bit - and a fair amounts of attacks on Romney. I'm happy to be proven wrong, but I'd be curious for your thoughts on this phenomenon - is it just because she's the only "red meat" for them in this race (as expected, McCain has liimted support there - solid support at RedState, "Not Obama" support at best at Free Republic).

Did you just call Sak a troll???

Did you just quote the word "side" as if it were beneath you???


Bwahahahahahaha!!!!

prolly smart. you wouldn't exactly know what they were BBQ-ing!

*rimshot*

Well.. let's take them in order.

A) Well, what would you call someone who interrupts a discussion by popping in and says "you guys enjoying your little Demmy Circle Jerk?" Sounds pretty Trollish to me!

B ) Well, more like I was looking for a word to assign there, and side was the best one I came up with on short notice. Realized it didn't totally fit, so put quotes around it.

C)(Retracted with huge apologies to Schmidty. It seems like I am an inadvertent asshole. No Personal Attack was meant)

$600m in campaign funds and Obama doesn't have his special on in HD? Fuck this guy, I'm voting for Nader.

Fozz, you have to admit that most of the Dems here are just closing their ears and saying la-la-la-la hoping that their candidate makes it through to Tuesday without having anything sticking. It really doesn't matter if the associations, hypotheticals, what-ifs, one-partyness cause some discomfort or questions, it is about a change in political culture and getting the opposition party out. We saw the exact same thing in 1980 and in 1992.

I agree. He's been remarkably adept at avoiding anything sticking against him, almost a rubber/glue... and yes, 1980/1992 sounds about right, a political realignment.

Further thoughts: (don't mind thedola).. It seems to me that the Right got "Fat, Dumb and Happy", figuring that they had changed where the center rested. Starting with Dean, and now with Obama, the Democrats have played to the theoretical center (50 state strategy, for example).. and are reaping the rewards. That's what worries me about the upcoming circular firing squad that will happen if McCain loses big.. the Democrats came out of their funk and made the right call by moving to the center (Blue Dog Democrats, etcetera), the vibe I'm getting out of reading all these stories is that the Republican party is thinking they're losing because they haven't gone HARD AND FAST ENOUGH to the right. And if that happens. I see things getting worse for them in the short and long term.

That's not good for the nation politically. We need the two parties to act as checks on each other. You take some red, you take some blue, and the scales are balanced. Tip it too hard to one side, and the whole thing falls down like a Jenga puzzle hit with a sldgehamemr.

So I was out and missed the Barack Halloween special, anyone watch it and can give any kind of synopsis?

I think I saw the commercial of the pol season:

You'll recall I think the worst commercial was the doctors picking on McCain over his skin cancer. It was absolute drivel and an awful commercial.

Obama ran a commercial with McCain and some of his quotes about not knowing enough about the economy and that 'he'll need to rely on his VP on issues regarding that.'

The commercial syntax: "Who was his choice?"

And it cuts to Palin's debate where she winked at the camera and then it ends with the syntax:

"Now it's time to make your choice."


A very effective commercial.

This post deserves more love

SI

mccain on larry king live now - whining about how obama didn't take public financing - sounds like a whiny bitch

oh nice - and now larry is hitting him "why hasn't this been a clean campaign like you said you wanted?"

mccain: "well obama didn't respond to my requests for town hall meetings"

Sounds like the kind of response from someone who watches The Hills.

Here's the video


haha, he never gets tired of trotting that excuse out there.

lol - we have a "maverick" sighting from McCain.

"sarah's a maverick. i'm a maverick."

Larry: "You're flying over the Pacific - between nowhere and nowhere. There's an attack on the U.S. How much confidence do you have in your V.P.?"

McCain: "Total."

yikes

100,000 Views. Grats all.

McCain: "...Joe the Plumber"

LOL

"...Joe the Plumber" (again)

McCain: "40% of Americans pay no taxes...so he's just going to take money from other people and give it to them!"

1) that can't be an accurate #
2) If they're not paying taxes they're not getting a tax cut you doddering old fool

DT: on #2 I think he's referring to post loopholes, post exemptions, etcetera

I thought that 40% was the amount of people that didn't pay federal income tax but there were still payroll taxes, state taxes, etc.

hmm? what do you mean?

that may be closer to accurate - but i still think that seems like an awfully high %.

I don't this inexperienced thing with Sarah and if McCain happens to unable to lead. How is Obama better when it comes to experience? Is it because Obama is "well-known"? How does that make him better to lead? I'm not taking sides, just asking a general question.

I have read that there are more registered voters than people who pay income tax in the US, so that sounds about right to me.

Man, what is it with Florida and elections?


How do you not know who you voted for? Hopefully that was just those people's way of saying "mind your own business."

The Tax Foundation - Number of Americans Paying Zero Federal Income Tax Grows to 43.4 Million

If your cutting tax rates for those who get it all back and more, they could get even more back (depending on the credits/deductions).

I believe the correct answer is "Pat Buchanan"

SI

that's absurd. there shouldn't be anyone not paying federal income tax (who makes above minimum wage)