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QuikSand 10-24-2016 07:43 PM

Right now, if you think the election will draft slightly back toward balance, I think the real value is in betting the electoral collage outcomes. You can buy, right now:

Winning EV 280-299 at 8c
Winning EV 300-319 at 8c
Winning EV 320-339 at 18c

I don't think any of those look like bad plays.

RainMaker 10-24-2016 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by BillJasper (Post 3125280)
I honestly don't understand this attitude. People vote Republican because they are anti-abortion. But, it has been a very long time since Republicans have really done anything to prevent abortions at the national level. Even when they had Congress, the Executive and Judicial branches all in their favor for part of W's presidency.

Didn't Jesus say something about the proof is in the pudding? For Republicans, it seems to serve as a wedge issue. Something that they can use to reliably get votes. Without having to actually do anything.


The Pro-Life movement isn't about abortions anymore. It's about being angry with women for one reason or another.

cuervo72 10-24-2016 11:43 PM

Montclair SocioBlog: One Question Where Trump Turned Conservatives More Liberal

stevew 10-25-2016 03:14 AM

I do wonder how many abortions trump has paid for. The answer has to be more than 1.

chinaski 10-25-2016 05:25 AM

About those liberals causing a ruckus at Trump rallies...
Breitbart coordinated with liberal activist and organizer who disrupted GOP primary campaign events - POLITICO

CraigSca 10-25-2016 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by cuervo72 (Post 3125522)


Yes, and this is what I find particularly galling.

I was in my early 20's when the Clinton/Lewinsky thing went down, and I still feel there is no separation between your private and public moral character. What you show privately IS who you are and vice versa, you can't cherry pick actions. And for those who believe it was only a "private" thing, I also felt it was a national security issue (like David Petraeus).

I'm a Christian, social moderate, fiscal conservative. There is no way you can tell me to overlook the bad with Trump and vote for his policies. He is a con man, plain and simple, and it pains me to see others that I consider good people and friends blindly overlooking his moral fiber because it fits their narrative THIS time.

larrymcg421 10-25-2016 11:17 AM

Bad news for Trump today. The three polls that had shown him leading recently (Rasmussen, La Times, IBD/Tipp) all now show Clinton with a 1 pt lead.

Mizzou B-ball fan 10-25-2016 11:33 AM

I did absentee voting yesterday. Voted for Johnson/Weld.

Mizzou B-ball fan 10-25-2016 11:42 AM

WikiLeaks: Email Shows Bernie Sanders Was Paid Off to Support Hillary

BYU 14 10-25-2016 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan (Post 3125566)
I did absentee voting yesterday. Voted for Johnson/Weld.


Just out of curiosity, you were with Trump pretty much through the end of September. What was the final tipping point for you to move away from him? Again, just curious, so share if you like.

ISiddiqui 10-25-2016 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan (Post 3125568)


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I love how innocuous that email is - hey let's run a positive primary campaign and encourage others to do so (like Reagan's 11th Commandment for Republicans) and then after the primary go to Sanders and his people and say, hey we ran a positive campaign, didn't go after you, you should come out in force for Clinton. And the website turns it into a bribe or something. Hilarious!

HerRealName 10-25-2016 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan (Post 3125568)


Did you even read this article? Beyond the misleading headline, what was the point of even sharing this link?

Mizzou B-ball fan 10-25-2016 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by ISiddiqui (Post 3125570)
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I love how innocuous that email is - hey let's run a positive primary campaign and encourage others to do so (like Reagan's 11th Commandment for Republicans) and then after the primary go to Sanders and his people and say, hey we ran a positive campaign, didn't go after you, you should come out in force for Clinton. And the website turns it into a bribe or something. Hilarious!


I know of people being paid off in local elections to support someone. If they do it in local, I can only imagine the level that it happens in the federal government. I agree that it's not absolute proof that it happened, but it frightens me when people write it off so easily. It happens.

digamma 10-25-2016 11:57 AM

What does any of that have to do with the e-mail in the article?

larrymcg421 10-25-2016 12:10 PM

It almost reads like a parody article. I can imagine something from the Onion: "Clinton Caught in Dastardly Scheme to Win Voters by Being Nice to Opponent"

The saddest part is that people took "money in the bank" literally, which is just embarrassing for anyone with a high school education.

cartman 10-25-2016 12:12 PM

Thanks for reaffirming my belief in the "Peter Principle"

Ben E Lou 10-25-2016 12:18 PM

Poll: GOP voters trust Trump more than Ryan to lead party | TheHill

If this is true and the Deplorables keep the inside track on picking nominees, RIP, GOP hopes for the WH.

BillJasper 10-25-2016 12:21 PM

I don't think the WikiLeaks people know what a surprise is. Nothing they've released has surprised anyone in the slightest, and has yet to damage Clinton in any substantial manner.

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Originally Posted by Ben E Lou (Post 3125582)

If this is true and the Deplorables keep the inside track on picking nominees, RIP, GOP hopes for the WH.


Could start affecting the mid-term elections in 2018 as well.

JPhillips 10-25-2016 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Ben E Lou (Post 3125582)
Poll: GOP voters trust Trump more than Ryan to lead party | TheHill

If this is true and the Deplorables keep the inside track on picking nominees, RIP, GOP hopes for the WH.


I saw a recent poll in FL that gave respondents the opportunity to redo the primary and Trump was still the runaway winner.

Butter 10-25-2016 12:49 PM

If you guys keep quoting MBBF's post, it kind of defeats the purpose of me having put him on ignore for exactly the stupid shit he's posting in this thread.

Kthx.

Mizzou B-ball fan 10-25-2016 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Butter (Post 3125587)
If you guys keep quoting MBBF's post, it kind of defeats the purpose of me having put him on ignore for exactly the stupid shit he's posting in this thread.

Kthx.


I'm with Stupid.

Kodos 10-25-2016 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan (Post 3125592)


Yep.

Thomkal 10-25-2016 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by BillJasper (Post 3125584)
I don't think the WikiLeaks people know what a surprise is. Nothing they've released has surprised anyone in the slightest, and has yet to damage Clinton in any substantial manner.



Could start affecting the mid-term elections in 2018 as well.


I think we have seen the "worst" of whatever WikiLinks is going to throw at Clinton. With early voting happening in so many states, and Trump needing all the votes he can get, I think they timed it that way.

Thomkal 10-25-2016 04:52 PM

Colin Powell says he's voting for Hillary Clinton - POLITICO

ISiddiqui 10-25-2016 04:59 PM

Well that took long enough, Colin.

Chief Rum 10-25-2016 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by ISiddiqui (Post 3125648)
Well that took long enough, Colin.


Why does it matter when he chooses who he votes for?

SackAttack 10-25-2016 11:42 PM

So a Ron Johnson attack ad just aired before Jimmy Fallon.

It's "Daisy" 2.0.

Holy shit.

lungs 10-25-2016 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by SackAttack (Post 3125695)
So a Ron Johnson attack ad just aired before Jimmy Fallon.

It's "Daisy" 2.0.

Holy shit.


Getting that jackass out of office is going to be sweet.

larrymcg421 10-25-2016 11:49 PM


SirFozzie 10-25-2016 11:58 PM

Was JUST coming here to post that. Holy shit.

Thomkal 10-26-2016 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by SackAttack (Post 3125695)
So a Ron Johnson attack ad just aired before Jimmy Fallon.

It's "Daisy" 2.0.

Holy shit.

Can we get a link to it for those not in Wisc?

SirFozzie 10-26-2016 12:04 AM

Feingold Supports Iran Nuclear Deal - YouTube

SackAttack 10-26-2016 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Thomkal (Post 3125703)
Can we get a link to it for those not in Wisc?


Feingold Supports Iran Nuclear Deal - YouTube

It wasn't coming up for me in YouTube searches. Finally found a YouTube embed in a HuffPost article. Here ya go.

Thomkal 10-26-2016 12:10 AM

thanks, pretty wild. They have a long history of running against each other don't they?

SackAttack 10-26-2016 12:15 AM

well, if you define "long" as "this is a rematch." Johnson ran against Feingold in 2010 and won, in his first bid for elected office, and Feingold is running for his old seat back this year.

Johnson's spent much of the year running as though he were the outsider challenging the incumbent and basically neglecting to draw attention at all to his time in the Senate. He's trying to run the same campaign he ran six years ago (er, minus the "Daisy" comparisons) except that, y'know, he's the incumbent this time around.

JonInMiddleGA 10-26-2016 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Ben E Lou (Post 3125582)
Poll: GOP voters trust Trump more than Ryan to lead party | TheHill

If this is true and the Deplorables keep the inside track on picking nominees, RIP, GOP hopes for the WH.


Ryan couldn't lead starving dogs to fresh meat.

Mizzou B-ball fan 10-26-2016 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA (Post 3125711)
Ryan couldn't lead starving dogs to fresh meat.


Agreed. The fact that people trust Trump more than Ryan has very little to do with their faith in Trump and everything to do with the fact that they trust him more than the shit show that is 'leading' the government right now. I'm amazed that Democrat supporters see something like this and don't do anything but agree. They'll bitch for four years about how the GOP leadership in Congress is the party of 'NO', but they act shocked that people who identify as conservatives think the same thing and literally think that anything is better than what's there now.

It's laughable really.

Thomkal 10-26-2016 09:37 AM

I wondering if there's some story about Megyn Kelly we don't know about because very clearly they have singled her out above all other journalists for there ire. Look at what Trump's social media head tweeted about her while Newt was on.

Gingrich blasts Kelly for Trump coverage: 'You are fascinated with sex' - POLITICO

Makes me wonder if this is a Roger Ailes/Sean Hannity thing.

JPhillips 10-26-2016 09:56 AM

My home county newspaper(Times-Gazette) is one of six that have endorsed Trump.

http://www.politico.com/magazine/sto...sements-214390

Mizzou B-ball fan 10-26-2016 11:27 AM

Not sure which thread this belongs in as it kind of crosses between two on this board. Respect in police surges while media respect plummets.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/196610/am...ce-surges.aspx

Thomkal 10-26-2016 11:41 AM

Trump's Hollywood Walk of Fame star destroyed - POLITICO

AlexB 10-26-2016 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Thomkal (Post 3125741)
I wondering if there's some story about Megyn Kelly we don't know about because very clearly they have singled her out above all other journalists for there ire. Look at what Trump's social media head tweeted about her while Newt was on.

Gingrich blasts Kelly for Trump coverage: 'You are fascinated with sex' - POLITICO

Makes me wonder if this is a Roger Ailes/Sean Hannity thing.


Thought she handled that very well. Have no idea who she is, or what her political leaning is, but she came across highly professional there, to the point where I give her a pass for the little barb at the end.

Thomkal 10-26-2016 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by AlexB (Post 3125751)
Thought she handled that very well. Have no idea who she is, or what her political leaning is, but she came across highly professional there, to the point where I give her a pass for the little barb at the end.


She works for FoxNews, so you would think of all news hosts out there, that would give her a bit of tolerance with Trump. but he came after her right after the debate she hosted and hasn't really stopped. I'm kinda amazed she has anyone from his campaign on her show anymore.

larrymcg421 10-26-2016 11:59 AM

They're frustrated with Megyn because they can't quite make the same attacks against her as they can the rest of the media. She actually has talked about Clinton's accusers, had one of them on her show, has talked about Wikileaks, etc. So their typical deflection game of "OMG, the media is spending too much time on this and not on other things" doesn't really work with her, although Gingrich ridiculously tried and looked like a fool.

JonInMiddleGA 10-26-2016 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by larrymcg421 (Post 3125753)
although Gingrich ridiculously tried and looked like a fool.


Within moments of that exchange, I saw more pro-Newt stuff hit my social media than I've seen in years.

I called for (and have personally imposed) a FXNC boycott after her RINO performance in one of the early debates. For the first time, after last night, I saw the same phrasing from a number of my friends.

She's probably damaged the brand (overall) with the core audience more than any single character they have.

Trust me, somebody came off poorly from that exchange but it wasn't him.

Dutch 10-26-2016 12:17 PM

This is all a big setup for TNN. :)

larrymcg421 10-26-2016 12:24 PM

Oh I don't disagree that many people thought Gingrich came off better. I just think those people are delusional.

SirFozzie 10-26-2016 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by larrymcg421 (Post 3125759)
Oh I don't disagree that many people thought Gingrich came off better. I just think those people are delusional.


Co-sign

Marmel 10-26-2016 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA (Post 3125755)
Within moments of that exchange, I saw more pro-Newt stuff hit my social media than I've seen in years.

I called for (and have personally imposed) a FXNC boycott after her RINO performance in one of the early debates. For the first time, after last night, I saw the same phrasing from a number of my friends.

She's probably damaged the brand (overall) with the core audience more than any single character they have.

Trust me, somebody came off poorly from that exchange but it wasn't him.


Jon's posts are like a senility check. If you disagree, you are still in your right mind. Thanks for the public service.

SirFozzie 10-26-2016 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Marmel (Post 3125764)
Jon's posts are like a senility check. If you disagree, you are still in your right mind. Thanks for the public service.


well, to be fair enough to Jon, we all live in different worlds, Behaviors that we find despicable/deplorable are the norm for him, and vice versa.

I'm encouraged that we seem to be the majority, but don't shut out other opinions, as long as they are civil.


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