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regardless, he served his punishment and anything more than that wouldve needed to have been given out appropriately. If she did intervene to pressure him to be fired than she overstepped her bounds, if she didnt than she didnt and that would be a good thing for her and probably the country. either way, the truth needs to be found out so I hope all parties agree to cooperate with the investigation.
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For you, maybe. But I can almost guarantee that, as an aggregate (so anecdotal evidence need not apply), the people who graduated in 1992 will be a lot better off over their career than those of us who graduated around 2000. The tech boom in the 90s artificially inflated salaries as well as employment numbers. Just considering the unemployment numbers: they're 4.0 in 2000 and 6.1 now so that's likely 2.1% of the population who is worse off. Unemployment numbers are those who are looking for work so this can't be discounted with "maybe they just chose to not work" or something. Or how about that per capita income versus inflation has been pretty much flat (a slight increase) but income disparity has gotten much greater. So, while the per capita doesn't move much, more money has gone to the highest 1% so the other 99% have actually lost money. So, just talking financially, a lot of people are in the same place (or worse) they were 8 years ago which is a step backwards when you account for your argument of "EIGHT years is a long time to get your shit together. If you can't, you're not good at life. Sorry." SI |
Ok, this campaign is getting really weird. I was just riding through the town where I work, and there was a big digital billboard with a campaign message.
Sarah Palin America's Hockey Mom For Vice President There was no mention of McCain on the billboard. Does anyone else ever remember a VP campaign billboard? Poster? Road sign? |
With all of the bad news for Obama poll wise, I think it's only right to point out a couple of state polls that came out today where Obama is leading:
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+3 in New Jersey? Wow. That seems as wonky as the NC polling. Wonder if it's because the poll's registered as opposed to likely voters.
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Just wondering ... was that board just off I-75 somewhere around the 120 Loop? IIRC, there's a building owner with a private billboard/message board there who sometimes puts up political messages/endorsements seemingly of his own accord (as I understand it). |
Bay Buchanan (GOP strategist) just said on AC360 that the media is helping the GOP keep the spotlight on Palin and personality and thus helping them 'win'. Write this date down for when the GOP cry 'liberal media bias'. Again, if it's ratings (which Palin is garnering) then it'll lead.
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Newsweek national poll shows a 46-46 tie.
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It is really interesting to see how others perceive the economy. In the building trades industry things are running wide open. Engineering firms have a fair amount of work, and contractors are picking and choosing jobs. Some are even having difficulty finding bodies.
I think that a big problem that we are having is that we are becoming unbalanced in our economy. Sure, high tech jobs are great, but we need more workers doing more low tech, skilled labor sort of jobs. We have a glut of high tech workers which has resulted in lower pay rates because there are so many of them. We need more balance. |
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How can you be so certain of the outcome when those who started in 1992 still have half their career to complete and those in 2000 have more than half their career to complete. People who started in 1955 can argue the ecomony was much better than it was for those who started in 1975, but statistics may very well show the people who started in 1975 after completing a 30 year career were better off after 30 years than those who started in 1955 were after 30 years. The tech boom and bust of the 90's is just one of many booms and busts in a dynamic and vibrant economy. Quote:
This is silly and does not even make sense. Comparing the highest 1% which is a very small number of people to 99% a much larger group is confusing at best. How about we take an extreme example of your method. More money has gone to the single richest household in America, therefore EVERYONE else actually lost money. Quote:
There is credence to improving over time. Very few people stay in the bottom quintile of the U.S. ecomony based on census data. In fact if you grauate high school, get married (and stay married) & keep a job (work more hours per week) you are likely to increase your annual income year over year. That generally gets you to a place where you are better off than you were before. |
Intrade has McCain at 50.8, Obama at 48.7. This is the first time McCain's been pricier since before either had emerged as a frontrunner.
Looking at RCP's electoral map, the following states are tossups: Nevada (5) New Mexico (5) Colorado (9) Michigan (17) Indiana (11) Ohio (20) Pennsylvania (21) Virginia (13) New Hampshire (4) Obama is likely to win 217 electoral votes, McCain 216. The magic number is, of course, 270. So Obama needs to collect 53 evs from the tossups, McCain 54. Edit: my guess is Obama swings Nevada and New Hampshire, McCain gets Colorado and New Mexico, making the score Obama 226, McCain 230, and leaving these 5 states to decide the election: Michigan (17) Indiana (11) Ohio (20) Pennsylvania (21) Virginia (13) |
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So... uh... are you embarrassed that Obama has no idea what it is either? Or perhaps, ready to admit that there really isn't ONE "Bush Doctrine"? |
Fixed a really dumb mistake in my last post. I'm still pretty comfortable saying that the most important states are Ohio and Pennsylvania; if they manage to split these two, then it looks like it will come down to Indiana, Michigan, and Virginia, whoever wins 2 of those 3 will be the next President; but if either Obama or McCain wins both OH and PA they will probably be our next president.
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This seemed to be a "gotcha" question from Gibson but I don't think her failure to understand exactly what he meant will go down badly with an audience who were similarly confused. The "go to war over Georgia" criticism is over the top as well. But he did have a "gotcha" point and failed to recognise it when he asked her what she meant by referring to the Iraq war as "God's war". She even painted herself even further into a corner by saying that no one could possibly know what God's will was. Realising that she then had difficulty explaining why she thought it God's war she struggled and switched onto a totally different track about her son in Iraq. Gibson should have insisted on an answer and moved on to why she believed drilling in ANWR was "God's plan". But he fluffed it. |
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I'll respectfully disagree. In the western battleground, I think Obama carries New Mexico, but loses Colorado and Nevada. |
Well, I'll be surprised if Obama wins New Mexico. That's the one tossup state I feel sure about.
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It's a very close race there, and he'll get a lot of support from Bill Richardson, whom I would have voted for if he had gotten the Democratic nomination. |
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No I think he will carry our fair state of Colorado and New Mexico but lose Nevada. He really needs to win Pennsylvania and maybe Virginia or Ohio to have a shot with this goofy electoral college shit. |
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Well, we'll find out. There are a large number of stylistic differences between Obama and Richardson, some of which I think explains Richardson's popularity in the slightly Republican-leaning state. Obama just doesn't feel like the kind of pol that appeals to most people in this state. my $.02 |
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Apologies if you've explained this before Vic, but I'm curious: Why yes on Richardson but no on Obama? |
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That's all well and good, but you're not running for VP. l might expect you to have that reaction. As someone who is John McCain's running mate, l'd be disappointed in you. |
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Obama's running for president, and he has no clue what it is. I wonder if Bush knows what it is. |
Forget the Bush Doctrine. Who cares. I'm worried about her not being able to name three things that she would change about the Bush administration.
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y'know, every now and then it's ok to admit when something doesnt go right. |
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This argument would have more validity if she had enunciated anything that could be considered the Bush doctrine. Instead she described a policy that was replaced by Bush. At least some conservatives get this and don't rush to defend her irregardless of facts. From National Review's Rich Lowry: Quote:
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Based on this, my prediction would be that McCain wins Indiana, Ohio and Virginia. Obama wins Pennsylvania and Michigan. |
She's kind of like Hulk Hogan.
She's got good mic skills, and can play to the crowd, but after the taking of the 4th punch where she waves her fingers and blows her cheeks up while stomping around in a circle to get "hulked" up, and after she drops the final leg drop, and the music hits the crowd is in a roar. Then when you start to analyze his true in ring abilities you find out that she's lacking in the execution dept. |
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hahahahahahaha - coming from you, that's just - hahahahahahahah By the way, according to wiki, scholars idenitfy 7 different "Bush Doctrines" Bush Doctrine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia But seriously, I asked this before. Why do you give a shit? Can you stop scraping the bottom of the barrel for dirt for one friggen day? Do you think you change one person's mind with this constant, irrelevant garbage or is this some version of message board masturbation? The message to me, like with Kerry, is that an Obama candidacy can't stand on it's own. It needs constant bullshit to support itself. ace1914 is absolutely right - he's worried McCain will be McSame. Fair point. We can disagree, but it's a legitimate political discussion. This bullshit about bush doctrines and 90% of what you bring to the table just makes me turn my stomach more and more about democrats, even though I agree with them on policies far more than Republicans. You can't even see your own smugness and obnoxiousness. I've thought this before, but maybe I need to say it to follow through, I gotta get the hell out of this thread. I encourage any other non-robots to do the same, so the Obamaniacs and sit around and have a circle jerk. |
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You may have gotten one thing right. Politics is like Wrestling..........:lol: |
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You should read some of my posts from the last 3 pages where I was fawning about her abilities and defending her and saying she got it right, etc. You missed those? Just like another person at FOFC you choose not to like me due to our disagreements about politics and thats ok. I get along fine with Jon and we're probably about as opposite as they come. Eh, the sand is not a good place for your head to be buried. And the reason I care to expose lying is becuase it should be exposed. Hypocrisy and lies are not a thing to just let go by. |
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Um, Obama isn't the one that ran an ad accusing his opponent of wanting to teach sex ed to Kindergarteners. Obama didn't run an ad accusing his opponent of sexism for using the same exact phrase that he's used in the past. Obama didn't try to use factcheck.org in their ads only to have factcheck.org turn around and say such usage was a lie. Quote:
Again, you really puzzle me with your ability to only see stuff coming from the leftists in this discussion. How do you do it? |
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Not bad but you left out the most important detail: she puts butts in seats. I'd rather watch paint dry than see Hogan in the ring, but if I've got to sell tickets then I'm a fool not to consider booking him if he's available. |
you, my friend, are exactly right and that is kind of what I meant on the whole but thanks for clarifying.
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I'm kindof liking this Hulk Hogan analogy. Can bad Photoshop be far behind ;)
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I figured as much but I felt like that point needed to be made specifically. Heck, I'll carry the analogy another step further and illustrate the dilemma I think McCain faced/faces. I'm a promoter, I want to run a workrate based promotion but I'm running in the red. I've got a roster that I like (whether enough fans do or not) and I want to give them a chance to shine on a bigger stage. But in order to do that I have to first find a way to stay in business. Hogan is available and will work cheap. Isn't it hard not to figure "He's only one match on the card each night" and look at the good I can do for the business & for my workers if I just hold my nose & put up with him for a while? |
When it comes crashing down, and it hurts inside,
ya' gotta take a stand, it don't help to hide, Well, you hurt my friends, and you hurt my pride, I gotta be a woman; I can't let it slide, I am a real American, Fight for the rights of republicans, I am a real American, fight for what's right, fight for pro-life! I feel strong about right and wrong, And I don't take trouble for very long, I got something deep inside of me, and fighting is the thing that keeps us free, I am a real American, Fight for the rights of republicans, I am a real American, fight for what's right, fight for pro-life! Well you hurt my friends, and you hurt my pride, I gotta be Alaskan; I can't let it slide, I am a real American, Fight for the rights of republicans, I am a real American, fight for what's right, fight for pro-life! I am a real American, Fight for the rights of republicans, I am a real American, fight for what's right, fight for pro-life! |
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If I was your accountant (no Jew jokes) I'd tell you to sign him up. |
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Yep. That really brings up something that I don't think has gotten much play (or any for that matter), something that's a potentially interesting sidebar to all this if we could manage to detach from it. How unhappy about the choice is McCain deep down inside? Could make for an interesting read if someday someone writes a behind-the-scenes tell all about a McCain/Palin adminstration. |
Well he certainly couldnt have gotten the fever with the alternative picks bantered about, than he did with Palin. I questioned the choice originally as lunacy but I was shortsighted, at least more shortsighted than McCain and those in his camp who were pushing for Palin. If anything I respect his ability to see the field more since picking her. It may not turn out to be the best choice IQ wise for the country (and I mean no slright there) as Leiberman, Romney, etc. may have had more 'experience' in the things that would help the country in the long run but it certainly flipped the dining room table on its end.
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Well crap, while we're going through doctrines we better quiz everyone on the Truman Doctrine and the Monroe Doctrine at the same time.
Look, I can certainly understand the pertinence of the question, but I have not heard any of the other candidates asked the same question. Does Obama know what it is? Does Biden or McCain? Still, if we want to move away from such policies does it really matter? |
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Of course, and that was part of the goal after the very well done Democratic Convention. If McCain picked a Pawlenty/Romney type, he'd be behind by 5 points right now. The safe pick would have been disastrous. Palin is very charismatic and it wasn't simply exaggeration when the right was saying she's the Republican Obama. |
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I think he thought he'd get some fever by picking a Democrat. However, his thinking was faulty for a couple of reasons. Lieberman isn't really viewed as a Democrat anymore, and I think he forgot how terrible a campaigner Lieberman has been in the past. |
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I'll bet if you asked them all now, they'd know ;) |
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OTOH, looking back on it, it was probably a great idea that Liebermann was floated out there. I realize to Dems Liebermann isn't considered a Democrat, but to Independents and Republicans (moderate Republicans would take note) he sure is (there is more than just a national security record). |
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Richardson is a centrist Democrat from the now extinct DLC. Once it got down to Obama and Hillary Clinton, I made up my mind that I was voting for McCain. If McCain hadn't gotten the Republican nomination, I probably would have voted for Obama, but I wouldn't have been very enthusiastic about it. He and Hillary Clinton are just too far to the left of my political views. I'm still a registered Democrat, and this is the first time I've voted for a Republican for president, although I've voted for several Republicans in state and local races. |
Gallup tracking continues to narrow. McCain up 47-45 now.
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As you know, my election choice boils down to what legislation is passed/vetoed/compromised to nothing (as well as vice-versa - limiting executive powers). Here's a good example of two future legislations that must not be passed and the only way that can happen is to have a split-party Legislature/Executive (assumiung Executive have guts):
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George Will is off his rocker. Seriously, the fairness doctrine?? Of all the issues that you could attack the Democrats for, he brings up the fairness doctrine. I am strongly against bringing back the fairness doctrine (probably more than an average voter), yet it never occurred to me as an issue of importance in this election. Even worse, I did a quick check to determine Obama's stance on the issue and he is against bringing the fairness doctrine back. And secret balloting in union voting is really a pivotal issue? Really? I'm baffled. |
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C'mon, Bucc. I haven't seen anything about those as "legislative priorities" for anyone. SI |
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