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Terps 08-18-2009 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by samifan24 (Post 2098075)
I don't think the Orioles will be bad enough to wind up with the #1 pick next year.


We'll see. I think they might end up with around 65 wins. 48-71 after tonight.

BishopMVP 08-18-2009 09:41 PM

Papelbon, please throw an occasional breaking ball. You're much better when you do.

Interesting BABIP chart - http://img68.imageshack.us/img68/7654/babipyw4.png

After 50 years of BABIP between .270 and .290 it jumped up to .300 in 1995, so it not just home runs that were affected in this new offensive era of baseball. Do we blame this on steroids and tighter wound balls? Clearly park sizes can't be blamed (no Coors in the AL) like for home runs.

JPhillips 08-18-2009 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Terps (Post 2098181)
We'll see. I think they might end up with around 65 wins. 48-71 after tonight.


If the Reds stay at the pace they've been at since the All-Star break(.242) they'll only get 10 or 11 wins to add to their current 50. I don't think they can slide all the way to the bottom, but they might surprise.

Chief Rum 08-18-2009 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by dawgfan (Post 2097437)
This could get interesting. Locker has repeatedly stated that he's committed to seeing his football career through, and the intimation has been that he'll devote himself to football through the end of his UW career and then give the NFL a shot, with baseball his backup plan if that doesn't work out.

Tony Reagins on the other hand sounds like he's under the impression that Locker will at least play some baseball for the Angels next Spring/Summer.

The Lockers are a good family and Jake sure seems to be an honest kid, but I wonder if the stage isn't already being set for some acrimony down the road about the Angels expectations for if/when Locker will play some baseball for them.

I know there is a segment of Husky fans that won't be happy if Jake is off playing baseball in the minors next off-season instead of working out with the football team in preparation for his Senior season.


FWIW, I don't get the sense the Angels are putting any expectations on Locker. They know football's his #1 thing. The impression I have gotten from reports on the Angels and Locker is that the Angels see enough in his baseball talent to want to lock his rights down for six seasons, just in case. If they can get him to play a little ball in the offseason, fantastic, but I don't think that was a requirement for them and their interest in signing him.

MrBug708 08-18-2009 11:51 PM

Washington should be happy, they just freed up another scholarship

stevew 08-19-2009 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 2098227)
If the Reds stay at the pace they've been at since the All-Star break(.242) they'll only get 10 or 11 wins to add to their current 50. I don't think they can slide all the way to the bottom, but they might surprise.


The world may collapse when the pirates play the reds this weekend. Both teams are in a shitty funk.

Chief Rum 08-19-2009 12:59 AM

Not sure I have ever seen this before, so thought I would point it out:

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/boxscore...?gid=290818105

Check out the Angels' box score. The entire lineup is .300 hitters--in August!

dawgfan 08-19-2009 02:04 AM

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Originally Posted by MrBug708 (Post 2098256)
Washington should be happy, they just freed up another scholarship

Yeah, that's a good thing - gets Sark closer to being able to offer a full 25 scholarships for the 2010 class.

I don't personally have a problem with Jake if he decides to play some minor league ball next Summer, but there are a number of Husky fans that feel he needs to spend as much time working on football as possible to maximize his development as a passer, and since he's been the leader of off-season workouts, there's a worry about how organized and well-attended they'd be if Locker wasn't around.

panerd 08-19-2009 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Chief Rum (Post 2098276)
Not sure I have ever seen this before, so thought I would point it out:

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/boxscore...?gid=290818105

Check out the Angels' box score. The entire lineup is .300 hitters--in August!



Honestly being a Cardinal fan I pay attention to almost exclusively NL central and some NL East and NL West and I know it's going to sound cliché but I thought it was Boston and New York and nobody else in the AL. This isn't just an ESPN thing but every media outlet. That Angel statisitic is very impressive.

sterlingice 08-19-2009 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Chief Rum (Post 2098276)
Not sure I have ever seen this before, so thought I would point it out:

MLB - Los Angeles Angels/Cleveland Indians Box Score Tuesday August 18, 2009 - Yahoo! Sports

Check out the Angels' box score. The entire lineup is .300 hitters--in August!


Hey, look. The Royals lineup! Not a .300 hitter to be found (not entirely true now but it was at gametime- Billy Butler edged above .300 and looks like he's going to be a damn fine hitter, what with 40 doubles and only being 23)

MLB - Kansas City Royals/Chicago White Sox Box Score Tuesday August 18, 2009 - Yahoo! Sports

Any wonder why they can't hit at all? ;)

That said- wow, that's a crazy stat, CR

SI

Big Fo 08-19-2009 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by BishopMVP (Post 2098188)
Interesting BABIP chart - http://img68.imageshack.us/img68/7654/babipyw4.png

After 50 years of BABIP between .270 and .290 it jumped up to .300 in 1995, so it not just home runs that were affected in this new offensive era of baseball. Do we blame this on steroids and tighter wound balls? Clearly park sizes can't be blamed (no Coors in the AL) like for home runs.


I guess that extra power which increased homeruns also meant more balls got through the infield. But it hasn't gone down in the few years after steroid testing. But then again I assumed homeruns had gone down and after checking it out there isn't much difference.

MLB year by year batting

sterlingice 08-19-2009 11:51 AM

Crappy hitting, all glove players are getting squeezed out?

SI

Danny 08-19-2009 12:13 PM

Don't forget the fact that more and more teams have been added. I realize the Rockies, Marlins and then Rays and Diamondbacks are only four teams, but that still dilutes pitching a fair amount. The quality of hitters being added with 4 teams is far superior than the quality of pitchers.

sterlingice 08-19-2009 12:37 PM

Yeah, but this is BABIP. Pitcher quality is fairly independent of this, as per Voros McCracken*

*I know- there are a few exceptions to DIPS, but it holds up for the most part

SI

dawgfan 08-19-2009 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Danny (Post 2098589)
Don't forget the fact that more and more teams have been added. I realize the Rockies, Marlins and then Rays and Diamondbacks are only four teams, but that still dilutes pitching a fair amount. The quality of hitters being added with 4 teams is far superior than the quality of pitchers.

Do you have any evidence to support this theory, or is it all wild speculation?

Danny 08-19-2009 01:22 PM

Wild speculation, I don't care enough to try and support it.

lordscarlet 08-19-2009 02:53 PM

FWIW, it looks like I was wrong about Mike Rizzo. The reports coming out after the deadline are saying that he was instrumental in the Strasburg negotiations.

BishopMVP 08-19-2009 03:13 PM

Well, he did lose the job to DiPoto.

samifan24 08-19-2009 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by BishopMVP (Post 2098694)
Well, he did lose the job to DiPoto.


Hey, stability!

lordscarlet 08-19-2009 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by BishopMVP (Post 2098694)
Well, he did lose the job to DiPoto.


That, to my knowledge, is far from confirmed. Yahoo! says yes, ESPN says no.

stevew 08-19-2009 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by sterlingice (Post 2098574)
Crappy hitting, all glove players are getting squeezed out?

SI


I'd have to think this is a major factor. It'd be interesting to see the league average OPS for positions like RF, SS/2b. As the need to increase hitting became the most important thing, I'm sure quality defenders got jettisoned for better bats. Guys like Dunn play LF now, whereas in the past no manager would have been likely to throw a guy like that out there.

Also, what is the strikeout rate for batters? As it became less of an insulting thing to strike out, if it dramatically increased the strikeout rate, I'd have to think in a roundabout way that helped BIABP increase. Cause if the batting average across the league stayed relatively static, and there were more strikeouts, that would account for the increase.

dawgfan 08-19-2009 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by stevew (Post 2098775)
I'd have to think this is a major factor. It'd be interesting to see the league average OPS for positions like RF, SS/2b. As the need to increase hitting became the most important thing, I'm sure quality defenders got jettisoned for better bats. Guys like Dunn play LF now, whereas in the past no manager would have been likely to throw a guy like that out there.

Also, what is the strikeout rate for batters? As it became less of an insulting thing to strike out, if it dramatically increased the strikeout rate, I'd have to think in a roundabout way that helped BIABP increase. Cause if the batting average across the league stayed relatively static, and there were more strikeouts, that would account for the increase.

BABIP isn't affected by strikeouts - it's measuring how many hits occur on balls put in play.

The larger point may be valid though. As it's become less of a stigma to strike out, it stands to reason that there are fewer defensive swings happening where the batter is prioritizing making contact over hitting the ball hard.

When the ball is hit harder, it generally correlates with more hits, as I believe there is some correlation between line drive pct. and BABIP according to those that study this stuff.

dawgfan 08-19-2009 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Rum (Post 2098254)
FWIW, I don't get the sense the Angels are putting any expectations on Locker. They know football's his #1 thing. The impression I have gotten from reports on the Angels and Locker is that the Angels see enough in his baseball talent to want to lock his rights down for six seasons, just in case. If they can get him to play a little ball in the offseason, fantastic, but I don't think that was a requirement for them and their interest in signing him.

That's good to hear. The reporting from Seattle seemed to indicate a possible disconnect between what Locker has been saying and what the Angels expect, so that's where my suggestion of difference in expectations was coming from.

Hopefully they're both on the same page.

stevew 08-19-2009 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by dawgfan (Post 2098787)
BABIP isn't affected by strikeouts - it's measuring how many hits occur on balls put in play.

The larger point may be valid though. As it's become less of a stigma to strike out, it stands to reason that there are fewer defensive swings happening where the batter is prioritizing making contact over hitting the ball hard.

When the ball is hit harder, it generally correlates with more hits, as I believe there is some correlation between line drive pct. and BABIP according to those that study this stuff.


That's what I meant. Obviously mark Reynolds is extreme for an example. But he is around .400 when he puts it in play.

molson 08-19-2009 06:50 PM

I guess since Lugo worked out for the Cardinals, they feel confident about Red Sox cast-offs and have signed John Smoltz. He's going to start this weekend, apparently.

dawgfan 08-19-2009 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by molson (Post 2098845)
I guess since Lugo worked out for the Cardinals, they feel confident about Red Sox cast-offs and have signed John Smoltz. He's going to start this weekend, apparently.

Smoltz is a reasonable signing. He's better than the guys he'll likely replace.

DaddyTorgo 08-19-2009 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by dawgfan (Post 2098878)
Smoltz is a reasonable signing. He's better than the guys he'll likely replace.


Smoltz isn't better than anybody right now. Maybe in the NL he'll be able to put up respectable numbers, but he was embarrassingly bad for the Sox. Shit, I felt bad for the guy.

Dr. Sak 08-19-2009 08:36 PM

Thanks again Cleveland for Cliff Lee...another complete game...2 hitter.

JonInMiddleGA 08-19-2009 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo (Post 2098883)
Smoltz isn't better than anybody right now. Maybe in the NL he'll be able to put up respectable numbers, but he was embarrassingly bad for the Sox. Shit, I felt bad for the guy.


Wrong role is at least the competing wisdom, based on his better first and even up to second innings versus going any deeper. I figured the Cards were looking at him as a righty setup guy but now I'm reading that they may be thinking about trying him as a fifth starter which I think will probably be a disaster.

Alan T 08-19-2009 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA (Post 2098911)
Wrong role is at least the competing wisdom, based on his better first and even up to second innings versus going any deeper. I figured the Cards were looking at him as a righty setup guy but now I'm reading that they may be thinking about trying him as a fifth starter which I think will probably be a disaster.



From what I read, Smoltz did not want to be in a relief role with the Red Sox either which is one of the reasons they were limited in what they could do with him.

EagleFan 08-19-2009 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Sak (Post 2098909)
Thanks again Cleveland for Cliff Lee...another complete game...2 hitter.


+1

EagleFan 08-19-2009 08:51 PM

dola: oh, and he's hitting .385 so far too.... :)

JonInMiddleGA 08-19-2009 08:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alan T (Post 2098922)
From what I read, Smoltz did not want to be in a relief role with the Red Sox either which is one of the reasons they were limited in what they could do with him.


I thought that was that he didn't want to go back down to AAA to work himself into a bullpen role arm/routine wise more than not wanting to go to the bullpen itself.

Alan T 08-19-2009 08:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA (Post 2098930)
I thought that was that he didn't want to go back down to AAA to work himself into a bullpen role arm/routine wise more than not wanting to go to the bullpen itself.


This was earlier before that, back when the Red Sox thought they had too many pitchers and trying to figure out where to fit him in, the common stories that I read was that Smoltz starting out in the bullpen was not an option, he did not want to pitch there and supposedly Smoltz coming there was under some kind of agreement that it would be starting or nothing.

Then suddenly Matsusaka got 'injured', Smoltz slid into the rotation and the rest was history.

samifan24 08-19-2009 09:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr. Sak (Post 2098909)
Thanks again Cleveland for Cliff Lee...another complete game...2 hitter.


You're welcome.

dawgfan 08-19-2009 09:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo (Post 2098883)
Smoltz isn't better than anybody right now. Maybe in the NL he'll be able to put up respectable numbers, but he was embarrassingly bad for the Sox. Shit, I felt bad for the guy.

Not true. Smoltz was done in by unsustainably high BABIP (.383) and HR/FB rates (16.5%). He's still striking out a respectable number of guys and limiting his walks, and his groundball rate is only down a bit over his career averages.

Simply put, Smoltz had a run of bad luck with the Red Sox, and the factors that are most under his control as a pitcher would point towards his ERA regressing towards the mean in a positive way.

He's not a great pitcher any more, but he should be better than Todd Wellemeyer and Mitchell Boggs.

INDalltheway 08-19-2009 09:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dawgfan (Post 2098957)
He's not a great pitcher any more, but he should be better than Todd Wellemeyer and Mitchell Boggs.


This and coming to NL will be a welcome change for him too. This is coming from a Cubs fan that knows he will beat our ass.

DaddyTorgo 08-19-2009 09:36 PM

Hahaha - the entire Nippon Ham Fighters team is quarantined in the hospital with Swine flu. No joke.

larrymcg421 08-19-2009 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo (Post 2098996)
Hahaha - the entire Nippon Ham Fighters team is quarantined in the hospital with Swine flu. No joke.


If only that could happen to the Phillies.

Dr. Sak 08-20-2009 07:54 AM

I'd rather it happen to that stupid chop Braves fans do.

lungs 08-20-2009 08:21 AM

ping: stevew

Looks like the Pirates are going on their own run against the Brewers. My goodness.

tucker rocky 08-20-2009 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by EagleFan (Post 2098929)
dola: oh, and he's hitting .385 so far too.... :)


At least he's not Paul Bako, $1.80
Chris Coste not much better since going to Houston, $2.11

stevew 08-20-2009 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by lungs (Post 2099256)
ping: stevew

Looks like the Pirates are going on their own run against the Brewers. My goodness.


Where is Hart? Once we got through the Braun/Fielder toughness, the lineup was pretty weak sauce. Cameron is still good, but not great. The rest of these guys, save Lopez, kinda meh.

Just happy to sweep a series for once. :)

JonInMiddleGA 08-20-2009 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by stevew (Post 2099421)
Where is Hart?


Out for at least a month following an August 2nd appendectomy (he's on one of my fantasy teams so I knew that one)

lungs 08-20-2009 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by stevew (Post 2099421)
Where is Hart? Once we got through the Braun/Fielder toughness, the lineup was pretty weak sauce. Cameron is still good, but not great. The rest of these guys, save Lopez, kinda meh.

Just happy to sweep a series for once. :)


Like Jon said, Hart is out after an appendectomy. But, you're right. The rest of the lineup save Lopez, Braun and Fielder is very meh at this point. Jason Kendall is like having another pitcher in the lineup and is probably a worse hitter than Gallardo even.

But the biggest problem is still the pitching staff outside of Gallardo.

Either way, I've got nothing good to say about the Brewers right now.

stevew 08-20-2009 03:17 PM

Mike Cameron's glove is still amazing from time to time, almost worth the price of admission. Even if he's not as good as he was before.

lungs 08-20-2009 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by stevew (Post 2099591)
Mike Cameron's glove is still amazing from time to time, almost worth the price of admission. Even if he's not as good as he was before.


Definitely. He's been the least of the Brewers problems. Maybe not worth the $10 million he's getting this year but he's not the problem. Also a standout person and teammate.

dawgfan 08-20-2009 05:08 PM

Have to say, after the way Washburn had thrown Kenji Johjima under the bus a couple years ago over his pitch calling, it was sweet justice to see Johjima take him deep today.

RedKingGold 08-20-2009 09:18 PM

Howard hit a home run tonight that I'm not sure has landed yet.

It's a good time to be a Phillies fan right now (which means, of course, we'll get swept by the Mets).

MrDNA 08-20-2009 09:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedKingGold (Post 2099735)
Howard hit a home run tonight that I'm not sure has landed yet.

It's a good time to be a Phillies fan right now (which means, of course, we'll get swept by the Mets).


Shuddupayouface!


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