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PilotMan 01-25-2018 06:38 AM

That generation needs to be shown the door in the most expedient way possible.

Thomkal 01-25-2018 10:53 AM

Oprah says she does "not have the DNA" to be President.

cuervo72 01-25-2018 10:57 AM

Elected president anyway.

Ben E Lou 01-25-2018 06:32 PM

So....path to citizenship in return for Mexico not paying for the wall. Trumpists still liking him?

NobodyHere 01-25-2018 07:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ben E Lou (Post 3193000)
So....path to citizenship in return for Mexico not paying for the wall. Trumpists still liking him?


Look, a non Trumpist like you will never be able to understand the stable genius that is Trump.

NobodyHere 01-25-2018 07:36 PM

Trump Ordered Mueller Fired, but Backed Off When White House Counsel Threatened to Quit

Thomkal 01-25-2018 07:41 PM

well that should make the session between Trump and Mueller just a bit awkward

Jas_lov 01-25-2018 07:49 PM

Trying to stop an obstruction of justice investigation by obstructing justice. Yeah, he has nothing to hide. No collusion.

bronconick 01-25-2018 08:35 PM



Almost went full Nixon.

Thomkal 01-25-2018 09:04 PM

I bet the Republicans will release that report tomorrow on the FBI to try to get everyone's attention away from this story.

albionmoonlight 01-25-2018 09:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thomkal (Post 3193025)
I bet the Republicans will release that report tomorrow on the FBI to try to get everyone's attention away from this story.


I think that Hannity has already successfully changed the story:



Thomkal 01-25-2018 09:30 PM

wait, did someone say something about Trump? It's working already :)

Edward64 01-25-2018 09:56 PM

Trump doesn't get all the credit (the shale boom started under Obama) but its good to know our dependence on ME oil is declining. The trade-off is the environment but if it buys us time to get off ME oil and into electric cars, I'm all for it.

The Dark Side of America’s Rise to Oil Superpower - Bloomberg
Quote:

The results are historic. In October, American net imports of crude and refined products dropped below 2.5 million barrels a day, the lowest since official data were first collected in 1973. A decade ago, U.S. net oil imports stood at more than 12 million barrels a day. “For the last 40 years, since the Arab oil embargo, we’ve had a mindset of energy scarcity,” says Jason Bordoff, founding director of the Center on Global Energy Policy at Columbia University and a former Obama administration official. “As a result of the shale revolution, the U.S. has emerged as an energy superpower.”

cuervo72 01-25-2018 10:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight (Post 3193026)
I think that Hannity has already successfully changed the story:



Dave Itzkoff on Twitter:
"CNN: Trump tried to fire Mueller
MSNBC: Trump tried to fire Mueller
Fox News: Here's a photo of Obama and Farrakhan from 2005"¦ https://t.co/EL6G6eKNXr"

bronconick 01-25-2018 10:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight (Post 3193026)
I think that Hannity has already successfully changed the story:

Hannity’s lead story tonight. pic.twitter.com/ZaqE1vDO9V
— Yashar Ali 🐘 (@yashar) January 26, 2018




HANNITY at 9:15pm: "How many times has The New York times & others gotten it wrong?"

HANNITY at 9:55pm: "Yeah maybe Donald Trump wanted to fire the special counsel for conflict. Does he not have the right to raise those questions? You know, we'll deal with this tomorrow night."


nol 01-25-2018 10:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bronconick (Post 3193039)
HANNITY at 9:15pm: "At this time the New York Times is trying to distract you. They have a story that Trump wanted Muller fired sometime last June. [...] How many times has The New York times & others gotten it wrong?"

HANNITY at 9:55pm: "Yeah maybe Donald Trump wanted to fire the special counsel for conflict. Does he not have the right to raise those questions? You know, we'll deal with this tomorrow night. We have a shocking video of the day to bring you, by the way. This footage comes to us from Arizona where, you see that red SUV? High speed police chase..."



You omitted the best parts, which made me think it was some kind of parody since I didn't entirely remember what Sean Hannity really looked like.

MIJB#19 01-26-2018 10:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thomkal (Post 3192922)
Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump 3h3 hours ago




Will soon be heading to Davos, Switzerland, to tell the world how great America is and is doing. Our economy is now booming and with all I am doing, will only get better...Our country is finally WINNING again!


Yes yes I'm sure all those countries will love being told how much better America is. Honestly I hope they laugh him out of the building.

Is the economy in the USA really booming (in which case the follow up would be: has Obama done something right in the years prior to Trump, has Trump that much in so little time, or is this pure random luck?), or is this propaganda speak?


To compare, I think the economy in the Netherlands is on the rise again, but it's basically impossible the current government can take any credit for it, and as always some of the weaker demographic groups aren't feeling or seeing any progress at all. Granted, much smaller country, but economic progress rarely comes alone for countries. And at the same time, it seems the economy in the UK is taking a big hit after the Pound has fallen hard as a result of the Brexit.

Edward64 01-26-2018 02:33 PM

I caught bits and pieces of his speech. The parts I did hear showed preparation and restraint relatively speaking, overall I thought the delivery was good.

Whether or not he really means to be the "polite" or if he'll remember what he said is a different story.

QuikSand 01-26-2018 02:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MIJB#19 (Post 3193057)
Is the economy in the USA really booming ... or is this propaganda speak?


The US economy is fine, a continuation of the pattern we've been on for some time -- decent but unspectacular growth, and some continued recovery in the job markets. The stock markets are up, that's a measure of something pretty different than the overall economy, but they are genuinely up.

The Trump administration is committed to a form of self-worship and constant repetition of boastful claims, that the substance doesn't matter to them or their followers. It's not exactly the same thing as conventional propaganda, but it's not far off, I guess.


If, in a year or two, the US economy begins a spiral into recession -- most say we're basically "due" -- that won't really be the fault of the President, either (unless there's something specific that triggers it). There is an element of the momentary economic performance that is, indeed, a function of people's general optimism (warranted or not)... and it's arguable that political leaders play a role there. But in general, the forces behind inflation, labor movement, availability of capital, and market demands are pretty much unaffected by the on-the-margin stuff our political leaders actually do.

Thomkal 01-28-2018 02:07 PM

Trump faces an interesting deadline tomorrow-he has to sign the sanctions against Russia that the Senate approved 98-2 to implement:

Deadline looms for Trump and Russia sanctions - POLITICO

Warhammer 01-28-2018 03:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Edward64 (Post 3193033)
Trump doesn't get all the credit (the shale boom started under Obama) but its good to know our dependence on ME oil is declining. The trade-off is the environment but if it buys us time to get off ME oil and into electric cars, I'm all for it.

The Dark Side of America’s Rise to Oil Superpower - Bloomberg


We've been frackling here since the 90s. It started to get big under Bush, but it got massive under Obama.

JPhillips 01-28-2018 05:35 PM

Strava released heat maps for people using GPS fitness tracking and apparently it gives away a lot of formerly secret military and intelligence locations for the U.S., China, Russia, EU countries, even North Korea.

Thomkal 01-28-2018 09:28 PM

And a Trump tweet in 3.2.1...

Hillary Clinton reads from 'Fire and Fury' in surprise Grammy appearance | TheHill

Thomkal 01-28-2018 09:45 PM

Trump-still an idiot about climate change and global warming:

Trump: Polar ice caps are ‘at a record level’ | TheHill

Groundhog 01-28-2018 09:52 PM

To be fair, they are at record levels, just not the record level Trump was presumably alluding to...

albionmoonlight 01-29-2018 07:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thomkal (Post 3193224)




Vince, Pt. II 01-29-2018 10:29 AM

That's a pretty fantastic Twitter handle.

Thomkal 01-29-2018 10:58 AM

yeah I saw he hadn't tweeted-maybe they convinced him it wouldn't be a good idea right before his State of the Union.

Marc Vaughan 01-29-2018 11:17 AM

So these Russian sanctions - what are the odds they go into force today on the deadline? ..

Thomkal 01-29-2018 11:25 AM

I think I read in that article I posted that he can delay it, not sure if that's accurate or what the parameters are, but if he can do that, he'll likely do that.

Thomkal 01-29-2018 03:16 PM

So the much embattled #2 man at the FBI Andrew McCabe, takes terminal leave from the FBI, ahead of his planned retirement in March, and also before this memo the Republicans have been dying to release on the FBI. Fox news says he was "forcibly removed" which no one else is reporting.

McCabe out as FBI's No. 2 - POLITICO

RainMaker 01-29-2018 03:19 PM



JPhillips 01-29-2018 06:14 PM

Trump has decided the Russia sanctions aren't needed.

I'm sure the GOP will get right on enforcing them.

RainMaker 01-29-2018 06:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3193293)
Trump has decided the Russia sanctions aren't needed.

I'm sure the GOP will get right on enforcing them.


I am shocked I tell you.



Atocep 01-29-2018 06:37 PM

For an administration trying to convince everyone there was no collusion with Russia they sure as hell act like there was collusion with Russia.

JPhillips 01-29-2018 07:02 PM

And on the same day the CIA Chief says he expects the Russians to interfere in the midterms and has seen no evidence that the Russians are slowing their activity in the U.S. or Europe.

JPhillips 01-29-2018 09:28 PM

dola

Classy.

Quote:

President Trump is seeking to parlay his first State of the Union address on Tuesday into cash for his reelection campaign by offering supporters a chance to see their name flashed on the screen during a broadcast of the speech.

In a fundraising solicitation on Monday, Trump offered those willing to pay at least $35 the opportunity to see their name displayed during a live streaming of the address on his campaign website.

digamma 01-29-2018 10:08 PM

If you're lucky, Pence or Paul Ryan will answer your pledge call live right behind Trump while he is speaking!

Yes, folks, it's a State of the Union Telethon!

Logan 01-30-2018 03:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 3193294)
I am shocked I tell you.




Having a time machine to read this to a bunch of Republicans 20 years ago and watch their reactions would almost be entertaining enough to make up for all that we are experiencing today.

bronconick 01-30-2018 08:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Logan (Post 3193353)
Having a time machine to read this to a bunch of Republicans 20 years ago and watch their reactions would almost be entertaining enough to make up for all that we are experiencing today.


I figure that 5% of wind power produced in California is Ronald Reagan's grave spinning.

BBT 01-30-2018 09:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3193304)
And on the same day the CIA Chief says he expects the Russians to interfere in the midterms and has seen no evidence that the Russians are slowing their activity in the U.S. or Europe.


http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-42864372

Quote:

Even though there has been co-operation in counter-terrorism (the CIA helped stop a plot in St Petersburg last year), Mr Pompeo says he still sees Russia primarily as an adversary, sharing the concerns in many European countries about its subversion. "I haven't seen a significant decrease in their activity," he said.

Asked if his concerns extended to the upcoming US mid-term elections in November, he replied: "Of course. I have every expectation that they will continue to try and do that, but I'm confident that America will be able to have a free and fair election [and] that we will push back in a way that is sufficiently robust that the impact they have on our election won't be great."

Pompeo is a Trump appointee so take that into consideration on the last part of the quote.

He also says in the article that North Korea will have the ability to reach the US with nuclear weapons in a few months...and then goes onto say that Trump's rhetoric on Twitter towards North Korea is a good thing.

BBT 01-30-2018 09:07 AM

DOLA...found this one funny as the NFL is now considered a liberal brand:



JPhillips 01-30-2018 10:12 AM

The WH refuses to acknowledge that Trump has any speechwriters.

Quote:

“Unfortunately we will not be able to facilitate an interview with the speechwriting team,” Lindsay Walters, a deputy press secretary, told me in an email. “On record,” she added, “when President Trump communicates with the American people, his words are his own and come directly from his heart. His unparalleled ability to speak to and connect with people from across the country, including those who have felt forgotten by Washington for many years, will never waver.”

Flasch186 01-30-2018 10:14 AM

Kim Jong Un has no butthole.

HomerSimpson98 01-30-2018 10:34 AM

I'm offended that they think we are that fucking stupid.

NobodyHere 01-30-2018 10:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HomerSimpson98 (Post 3193385)
I'm offended that they think we are that fucking stupid.


We did elect Trump after all.

jeff061 01-30-2018 10:37 AM

People that voted for him are.

Edward64 01-30-2018 12:26 PM

I'm all for some new thinking on private sector healthcare. I like the quote "free from profit-making incentives and constraints". Should be interesting.

Jeff Bezos, Warren Buffett and Jamie Dimon want to fix health care - Jan. 30, 2018
Quote:

Amazon is partnering with Buffett's Berkshire Hathaway and JPMorgan Chase, the nation's largest bank, to get into the health insurance business.

The three companies unveiled an as yet unnamed company to give their U.S. workers and families with a better option on health care. The statement said the new company will be "free from profit-making incentives and constraints."

As of a year ago, the three companies had 840,000 global employees between them, though they did not break down how many of them are in the U.S. As of now, the companies are concentrating on a product for their own employees and family members, not a product to offer to other companies.

"The ballooning costs of health care act as a hungry tapeworm on the American economy," said Buffett. "We share the belief that putting our collective resources behind the country's best talent can, in time, check the rise in health costs while concurrently enhancing patient satisfaction and outcomes."

The three leaders of the companies -- Buffett, Amazon (AMZN) founder Bezos, and JPMorgan Chase (JPM) CEO Dimon, are all friends who have talked for years about the problems involved with providing health care for their employees, especially those based in the U.S., according to an executive familiar with their discussions.

"It wasn't they saw each other one place and a light bulb went off," said the executive. "These guys talk all the time. It's the result of a lot of talk they've had both formally and informally over the years. 'No one has to deal with buying a product like this other than health care.'"

JPhillips 01-30-2018 12:52 PM

The speed and ease with which Trumpkins willingly throw away their dignity is astonishing. This, from Sec. Pruitt:

Quote:

“After meeting him, and now having the honor of working for him, it is abundantly clear that President Trump is the most consequential leader of our time. No one has done more to advance the rule of law than President Trump"

RainMaker 01-30-2018 03:12 PM

GOP still talking about "rule of law". Think you guys lost your moral high ground on that one.

Thomkal 01-30-2018 04:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3193420)
The speed and ease with which Trumpkins willingly throw away their dignity is astonishing. This, from Sec. Pruitt:


And no one has done more to destroy this country's landscape/nature/safety than Sec. Pruitt. and Sec Zinke. I'm sure the Democrats were very happy to get their chance to let Pruitt know that.

Thomkal 01-30-2018 04:34 PM

Seems Pruitt had a different view of Trump back when he was advising Jeb Bush:

EPA’s Pruitt in 2016: Trump would be 'abusive to the Constitution' - POLITICO

stevew 01-30-2018 04:53 PM

Joe Kennedy 3 to deliver the rebuttal to the SOTU

NobodyHere 01-30-2018 05:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stevew (Post 3193484)
Joe Kennedy 3 to deliver the rebuttal to the SOTU


And Bernie Sanders will deliver the response the left cares about :p

nol 01-30-2018 07:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 3193454)
GOP still talking about "rule of law". Think you guys lost your moral high ground on that one.


Or we can just put that and "law and order" to bed as generic, meaningless phrases exposed as the dog whistles they've always been.

From Wallace to Trump: The Evolution of "Law and Order"

larrymcg421 01-30-2018 07:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NobodyHere (Post 3193488)
And Bernie Sanders will deliver the response the left cares about :p


Not this leftist.

Edward64 01-30-2018 08:48 PM

Watched it for 30 min and now surfing.

Typical State of the Union speech (so far at least) which is a good thing.

I do think Trump is "acting more Presidential". Its relative of course, but certainly better than before ... possibly the John Kelly connection?

jeff061 01-30-2018 09:26 PM

Every time he gives a speech like this he comes across more presidential and carries a message of healing and coming together.

Then 6 hours and a dozen tweets later he contradicts every single thing he said.

EagleFan 01-30-2018 09:30 PM

It's because it is scripted and he sticks to the script. It's once he has to try to be himself when things go horribly wrong.

PilotMan 01-30-2018 10:43 PM

I am not sure whey the SotU is a super big deal. I mean, after having watched so many of these it's so scripted, so canned, so meaty for whichever side is in control of the exec. You know he didn't write a lick of that speech, so what difference does it really make?

bbgunn 01-30-2018 11:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bronconick (Post 3193371)
I figure that 5% of wind power produced in California is Ronald Reagan's grave spinning.

I finally agree with Reagan now: Government is the problem.

NobodyHere 01-30-2018 11:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PilotMan (Post 3193533)
I am not sure whey the SotU is a super big deal. I mean, after having watched so many of these it's so scripted, so canned, so meaty for whichever side is in control of the exec. You know he didn't write a lick of that speech, so what difference does it really make?


Pretty much sums it up for me as well. It's just a politician blowing hot air. I didn't watch Bush. I didn't watch Obama. And I sure as hell won't watch Trump.

Ben E Lou 01-31-2018 07:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by digamma (Post 3188972)
While I certainly agree with this, Democratic messaging on this bill has been nothing short of awful. If I read another thing about how the tax bill will affect what I do in 2027 I'm gonna puke. No one cares about 2027.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Ben E Lou (Post 3188985)
Yup.

On that note, am I correct in assuming that some percentage of the country will see an increase in take-home pay at some point in 2018? Assuming also that Republicans have calibrated the bill to make that percentage to be high enough, wouldn't it then play a significant role in the midterms? ("My Party voted to give you that extra money in your paycheck every month; the other guy's Party voted to keep your money.") Isn't that all that really matters politically here? Yes, I get that long-term ramifications matter in many other ways, but to the average dolt voting...

Got my first elevated paycheck. The amount isn't insignificant.

BYU 14 01-31-2018 07:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ben E Lou (Post 3193559)
Got my first elevated paycheck. The amount isn't insignificant.


Was 53 bucks for me.

bob 01-31-2018 08:22 AM

I also had a fairly large change in my check, but since we haven't adjusted W4s I don't view this money as mine. With the other changes to state tax deductions and exemptions, I believe my taxes will actually go up this year, so I will be sitting this money aside and ensuring that they actually deduct more going forward to be sure I don't pay any penalties.

ISiddiqui 01-31-2018 09:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ben E Lou (Post 3193559)
Got my first elevated paycheck. The amount isn't insignificant.


Same here. About a $62 more.

Marc Vaughan 01-31-2018 09:50 AM

It'll be interesting to see if these adjustments are accurate as presently as far as I've heard no one quite knows and it might be that they're withholding too much or too little which will affect pay next year ...

Coffee Warlord 01-31-2018 09:51 AM

100 bucks more here.

miked 01-31-2018 10:42 AM

I think I'm doing something wrong here. My Federal withholding went down, but my SS taxes were way up, like more than double what my October withholding was. Guess I need to contact HR folks...

Thomkal 01-31-2018 10:56 AM

He only hires the best people:

CDC director bought tobacco stock while in office | TheHill

article doesn't say it, but she has now resigned.

http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare...tobacco-stocks

BYU 14 01-31-2018 10:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BYU 14 (Post 3193563)
Was 53 bucks for me.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Marc Vaughan (Post 3193580)
It'll be interesting to see if these adjustments are accurate as presently as far as I've heard no one quite knows and it might be that they're withholding too much or too little which will affect pay next year ...


There was definitely something off in regards to this on my check. In Arizona you set your state withholding to be a percentage of your federal withholding, and despite my federal going down, the state amount stayed the same. Actually not bad for me, since I always get a nice sum back from state and breakeven on federal, but I am still going to check into it as I don't want issues next tax year.

Thomkal 01-31-2018 11:07 AM

Train carrying GOP lawmakers hits truck in Virginia | TheHill

does not appear to be injuries to anyone on the train at the moment.

JPhillips 01-31-2018 11:54 AM

Prayers to the people in the truck, and I'm glad the people on the train are fine.

The GOP is in a trainwreck with a garbage truck is a bit too on the nose.

Bee 01-31-2018 11:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by miked (Post 3193586)
I think I'm doing something wrong here. My Federal withholding went down, but my SS taxes were way up, like more than double what my October withholding was. Guess I need to contact HR folks...


Maybe you maxed out your SS taxes in October so it wasn't a full withholding? I usually max out in May so I get a big jump in take home pay starting in June.

Logan 01-31-2018 12:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bee (Post 3193597)
Maybe you maxed out your SS taxes in October so it wasn't a full withholding? I usually max out in May so I get a big jump in take home pay starting in June.


Yowza. Can I borrow a couple hundred grand?

Thomkal 01-31-2018 12:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thomkal (Post 3193592)
Train carrying GOP lawmakers hits truck in Virginia | TheHill

does not appear to be injuries to anyone on the train at the moment.


It looks like now one person from the trash truck was dead at the scene, another critically injured. One Rep from Minnesota I think that I have never heard of went to be checked for concussion/neck injury. A staffer too.

Thomkal 01-31-2018 12:38 PM

Rep Gowdy of SC, who has been a thorn in the side of liberals/Democrats announces he will not run for reelection. He says he prefers the justice system more than the political system now. Nominated to the Supreme Court in 3.2.1...

Gowdy won't seek reelection - POLITICO

Thomkal 01-31-2018 12:48 PM

Rep Menendez of NJ who got a deadlock jury in his corruption trial, was going to be retried by the Justice Dept, but now they have reversed that decision:

Justice Department seeks dismissal of Menendez case - POLITICO

Thomkal 01-31-2018 01:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thomkal (Post 3193602)
Rep Gowdy of SC, who has been a thorn in the side of liberals/Democrats announces he will not run for reelection. He says he prefers the justice system more than the political system now. Nominated to the Supreme Court in 3.2.1...

Gowdy won't seek reelection - POLITICO


EDIT: Looks like am opening in the 4th Circuit Court of Appeals, which covers South Carolina just opened up yesterday, and many think he's angling for that.

mckerney 01-31-2018 01:37 PM

FBI chief has 'grave concerns,' clashes with Trump over GOP memo

Obvious sign of the "Deep State" afraid of being exposed. /s

ISiddiqui 01-31-2018 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thomkal (Post 3193602)


Quote:

53-year-old former House Benghazi Committee Chairman, the retirement is hardly a surprise. Gowdy rarely participated in House GOP events, rarely attending the weekly GOP conference, for example. He often talked privately about resenting the increasingly partisan atmosphere.

The irony is just dripping in buckets here.

Thomkal 01-31-2018 01:58 PM

None of which he caused of course.

ISiddiqui 01-31-2018 02:09 PM

A great deal of which he caused, of course. He's the poster child for increasing partisan atmosphere regarding that nothingburger of Bengazi.

NobodyHere 01-31-2018 04:15 PM

Oh what a shame

Hamas co-founder dies after accidentally shooting himself in face, militant group says

PilotMan 01-31-2018 05:45 PM

Trump golf course in Florida sues over property tax bill

Quote:


President Donald Trump says the Trump National Golf Club in Florida is worth more than $50 million.

Palm Beach County Property Tax Appraiser Dorothy Jacks disagrees, saying the Jupiter course, where Trump plays when he visits nearby Mar-a-Lago, is actually worth much less — $19 million.

But in a twist, Trump's lawyers are now suing Jacks, saying her estimate and the nearly $400,000 property tax bill it generates are too high, even if her appraisal is only 40 percent of what the president listed in his 2017 financial disclosure form.


PilotMan 01-31-2018 06:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord (Post 3193581)
100 bucks more here.


On first glance mine either remained the same or was slightly higher. I used the tax estimator that Farrah recommended to look at withholding for next year.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/th...owe-2017-10-26

It estimated a yearly drop after deductions of about $1200 dollars.

That's a savings of 8/10ths of a percent of my estimated 2017 income.

Or the functional equivalent of a $.70/hr raise on our income for a family of 5.

NobodyHere 01-31-2018 06:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PilotMan (Post 3193630)



Another twist!

Exclusive: Controversial FBI agent co-wrote initial draft of explosive Comey letter reopening Clinton email probe

RainMaker 01-31-2018 07:00 PM

I don't think the issue with the tax cut was that people wouldn't get something back. I think the issue is that it's really going to fuck over your kids.

This is the first casualty.

United States Will Hit Debt Limit Sooner Than Expected Because of Tax Cuts - The New York Times

It just continues a trend of boomers raiding the coffers of government at the expense of younger generations.

PilotMan 01-31-2018 07:09 PM


RainMaker 01-31-2018 07:11 PM

I mean I live in a state that boomers destroyed. Gave themselves all sorts of goodies. Didn't bother paying into the pensions either. Now they're living the good life or moved down to Florida and the rest of us are stuck footing the bill.

My favorite is when they lecture those millennials about how lazy they are. The generation that has accomplished nothing besides giving themselves free shit at the expense of their children talking about laziness.

Coffee Warlord 01-31-2018 07:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 3193643)
I mean I live in a state that boomers destroyed. Gave themselves all sorts of goodies. Didn't bother paying into the pensions either. Now they're living the good life or moved down to Florida and the rest of us are stuck footing the bill.

My favorite is when they lecture those millennials about how lazy they are. The generation that has accomplished nothing besides giving themselves free shit at the expense of their children talking about laziness.


There's room in Colorado for the both of us. :)

But yes. We're getting out of this fucked state at just the right time. There's just zero future for this state but more and more debt and unpaid bills.

cuervo72 01-31-2018 09:43 PM

Donald Trump Just Asked Congress to End the Rule of Law

Not sure that's "typical."

RainMaker 01-31-2018 10:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord (Post 3193646)
There's room in Colorado for the both of us. :)

But yes. We're getting out of this fucked state at just the right time. There's just zero future for this state but more and more debt and unpaid bills.


My brother moved a few years back to Colorado and loves it (Boulder).

I've been looking in Minnesota. My job gives me flexibility and I loved it when I was younger. Blown away by how much more value you can get for homes and how much cheaper property taxes are. I hear they even have a surplus!

digamma 02-01-2018 08:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cuervo72 (Post 3193654)


Or more "presidential."

cuervo72 02-01-2018 08:35 AM

Could start calling him "Chairman."

Thomkal 02-01-2018 09:48 AM

Trump pumping up his crowd numbers again:

Trump falsely claims most-watched State of Union

PilotMan 02-01-2018 10:39 AM

Trump tells friends and associates he believes that the Nunes memo can help discredit Russia Investigation.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/01/polit...ump/index.html

JPhillips 02-01-2018 10:52 AM

I'm beginning to think he may not have fired Comey because he was too mean to Hillary.

Thomkal 02-01-2018 08:47 PM

Seems like the liberal vs conservatives battle is also happening in Canada. Looks like they have changed the national anthem there to be gender-neutral:

http://www.cnn.com/2018/02/01/americ...rnd/index.html

whomario 02-01-2018 10:23 PM

I do get the “Don't really care/how weird that people think this is important“ sentiment with these sort of issues, but for the life of me just don't understand how you can protest this. There is literally no way this could impact anybody in a negative way, so why deny people perceiving it as positive change ?

“some things should never change“ is especially idiotic since a) it was only instated ad the NA in 1980 and b) it is not only a translation but in fact the english lyrics have been changed before !


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