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miami_fan 06-07-2023 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 3403483)
Not sure where to put this. Chris Licht out at cnn. What a disaster.


Anybody have a link to the cliff notes of the CNN drama? I know there was a shift to the right. I assume it was supposed to be a shift to being more centrist. The end result according to its core audience was Fox News Lite. Is that the gist?

Atocep 06-07-2023 08:01 PM

Trump's disapproval rating has been steadily in the mid-50s and currently sits at 57%. DeSantis' disapproval has completely collapsed and is barely better than Trump's now. It currently sits at 55% with only 36& approval.

GrantDawg 06-08-2023 02:26 PM

This is good news and actually pretty surprising.

RainMaker 06-08-2023 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by miami_fan (Post 3403583)
Anybody have a link to the cliff notes of the CNN drama? I know there was a shift to the right. I assume it was supposed to be a shift to being more centrist. The end result according to its core audience was Fox News Lite. Is that the gist?



More or less they wanted to be Fox News Lite. There's just more right-wing people watching news due to the demographic breakdown. He also made a bunch of unpopular moves over the year and their ratings are in the shitter.


Seems like it all came to a head when they did an infomercial with Trump that one night.

Edward64 06-08-2023 09:29 PM

It would be good if we can cut down the gerrymandering. Hopefully a bunch of lawsuits forthcoming to contest other areas.

The conservative Supreme Court might have paved the way for Dems to take the House - POLITICO
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Democrats are poised to net a congressional seat in Alabama next November after Chief Justice John Roberts’ surprising opinion affirming a lower court’s findings that Republican mapmakers had likely illegally diluted the power of Black voters in the state.

But the ruling could very well have implications beyond Alabama. In declining to further weaken the Voting Rights Act, the high court opened the door for Democrats to make other claims of racial gerrymandering in states across the South. That decision could possibly cause a domino effect in Louisiana, South Carolina, Georgia and Texas, which may be forced to add new districts where Black and Latino voters would hold greater sway.

cartman 06-08-2023 09:32 PM

In other Fed news, the FBI arrested the real estate developer at the heart of the Texas AG impeachment.

Nate Paul, at center of Ken Paxton scandal, jailed on federal charges

Edward64 06-09-2023 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Brian Swartz (Post 3402593)
Apparently for the first time in at least 20 years, personal credit card debt did not decline over the first quarter of the year. Usually of course that happens as people pay off their Christmas charges etc. It was basically flat instead.

That is probably not a good economic sign.


More credit card debt news.

There's a graphic that shows the breakdown by age.

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/06/09/how-...ld-by-age.html
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On average, Americans carry around $5,733 in credit card debt, according to TransUnion’s latest report. But when you break it down by age, most carry more than that.

Those between the ages of 40 and 49 hold an average of about $7,600 in credit card debt — the highest of any age bracket, per TransUnion data provided to CNBC Make It.


Another graphic from another article on how it's grown

2023 Credit Card Debt Statistics | LendingTree

Ghost Econ 06-09-2023 11:55 AM

My wife was talking with a coworker who said her family has a couple hundred thousand in credit card ebt and don't fret about it at all. Somehow they're able to seemingly get unlimited credits that they just balance transfer roulette. They have terrible credit but keep getting high credit limits with no balance transfer fees. The open, transfer, spend, close, repeat.

I guess it works for them and let's them send their kids to private school with yearly trips and numerous sports. Meanwhile we're over here paying everything off each month and doing what we've been told is responsible adulting.

Lathum 06-09-2023 12:15 PM

That sounds fucking horrible. I can't imagine living my life that way.

Ksyrup 06-09-2023 12:21 PM

I did that for about the first 3-4 years out of law school with $50K in debt, a $25K job and new wife and kid. It was pretty easy to manage, and the 12-15 month introductory periods were seemingly endless. I rarely paid a cent in interest. By about 2001, I was able to transition to using credit cards for rewards and basically as a substitute for debit cards/cash/checks.

However, it wasn't anywhere near 6 figures. Usually $10-15K at most, and I was paying it down as I transferred from one card to another.

Brian Swartz 06-09-2023 04:29 PM

The thing with that is the risk. If it ever catches up to you, and the law of averages says that it will eventually at some point, you can find yourself paying a huge amount of interest and basically headed towards bankruptcy. To say nothing of the fact that you aren't saving for the future; you're saving for the credit card companies future.

Edward64 06-15-2023 04:57 AM

Even the richest man nor the CEO of the biggest company in the world didn't merit an audience with Xi. I'm thinking officially it's about the Gates Foundation but there's prob some unofficial messaging too?

Regardless, I'd rather have Bill Gates as an unofficial intermediary vs a Dennis Rodman.

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/06/15/bill...this-week.html
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Microsoft’s co-founder Bill Gates is set to meet with China’s President Xi Jinping on Friday, Reuters reported Wednesday citing two sources familiar with the matter.

The report said that it may be a one-on-one meeting, without revealing what they might discuss.
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Gates’ visit comes ahead of a long-awaited trip by U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken to China this weekend, aimed at stabilizing relations between the two largest economies in the world.

Lathum 06-15-2023 11:03 AM

Not really sure where to put this. Brilliant move by Shapiro. He is going to be a player over the next several years.


GrantDawg 06-15-2023 01:17 PM

Maybe we need a SCOTUS thread. Another landmark case today that strongly reaffirmed court precedent. They ruled against a challenge to a law that prevents Natove American children from being adopted outside of their tribes. It was a 7-2 vote, with only Alito and Thomas voting against (of course). The ruling was written by Amy Coney Barrett, and sounds like it rejects some Constitutional arguments that would have gone well beyond this case.
So far this term seems to be SCOTUS returning back to norm after the how bad that term turned precedent on its head.

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Thomkal 06-15-2023 02:28 PM

So Rudy says the women informant who was going to say everything about the Bidens...is now dead. Shocking I know, and I'm pretty sure he'll blame Hunter or Joe for it very soon.

Lathum 06-15-2023 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Thomkal (Post 3404305)
So Rudy says the women informant who was going to say everything about the Bidens...is now dead. Shocking I knew, and I'm pretty sure he'll blame Hunter or Joe for it very soon.


You almost have to admire how efficiently the misinformation machine works.

GrantDawg 06-15-2023 02:57 PM

Supposedly the 17 tapes that prove are held by a Russian oligarch, and his identity is hidden because they fear for his life. No one has actually heard any of these tapes, btw.

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Atocep 06-15-2023 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by GrantDawg (Post 3404312)
Supposedly the 17 tapes that prove are held by a Russian oligarch, and his identity is hidden because they fear for his life. No one has actually heard any of these tapes, btw.

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And the Burisma exec that reportedly made them said they don't exist and that he's never had a conversation with Joe Biden.

GrantDawg 06-15-2023 03:02 PM

For the record, if these tapes exist, if they can be validated, and Biden is actually on them taking a bribe, then impeach him. Convict him in the Senate. Lock him up and throw away the key. I will call my congressman and Senators to encourage them to vote for his removal. What I won't do is say "Well, Trump did...". Trump being a crook does not allow Biden or anyone else to commit a crime.

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JPhillips 06-15-2023 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 3404273)
Not really sure where to put this. Brilliant move by Shapiro. He is going to be a player over the next several years.



It's simply a guarantee that someone shows their junk on this cam, right?

Lathum 06-15-2023 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3404327)
It's simply a guarantee that someone shows their junk on this cam, right?


I’ve always though a good premise of a thriller movie is someone sees a random person get murdered on a random webcam they were watching and it sucks them into a tangled web of deception.

JPhillips 06-15-2023 09:37 PM

I don' have a lot good to say about Gorsuch, but his defense of Native sovereignty is really important.

flere-imsaho 06-15-2023 10:18 PM

One article I read said it wasn't clear why Gorsuch was such a consistent defender of native rights, but he definitely is consistent.

Alito & Thomas, as usual, just being assholes.

stevew 06-16-2023 12:51 AM

Shapiro is super sharp. Huge fan

GrantDawg 06-16-2023 05:59 PM

When do you think the Biden impeachment happens? There has never been a doubt that it was going to happen if the GOP won the House. I'm just curious what the timing is going to be. This fall? Maybe wait till the primary is in full swing? You think maybe they are hoping to time it hoping that RFK Jr. might actually get significant votes in the primary?

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flere-imsaho 06-16-2023 07:55 PM

Even in this day & age, I suspect there are at least 4 GOP Reps who would consider the whole thing a massive waste of time and have told McCarthy not to indulge in it unless maybe it's a way to get the far right reps on board with something else.

RainMaker 06-16-2023 07:58 PM

I don't think it happens. It's something they'll talk about with friendly media but it won't play well with moderates/independents. They have such a narrow margin in the House that it would make those in blue/purple districts highly vulnerable in another year.

Remember that the Dems probably win the House if New York wasn't run by the worst politicians in the country.

Edward64 06-16-2023 10:37 PM

I don't know why Blinken is going to China. Seems like a waste of time and sending a wrong message to the coalition we are trying to build in APAC. Just doesn't seem to be the right time, maybe later after Ukraine. And yeah, we should still be PO'd about the spy balloon(s).

Beijing preps sharp, cold shoulder for Blinken visit - POLITICO
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U.S. officials say Blinken’s agenda will include tensions over Taiwan, unjustly jailed U.S. citizens in China and Beijing’s alignment with Russia’s war on Ukraine. Still “some sort of breakthrough or transformation in the way that we deal with one another” is unlikely

Doesn't seem he'll accomplish much with the Taiwan or Russia-Ukraine. If I was Xi, there's not much the US can say or do to stop me from doing what I want. If it's to China's interest, it'll apply pressure to stop the war or to help Russia. And Xi will only be happy if the US backs away from Taiwan.

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Blinken will also underscore the objectives of U.S. economic policy toward China. “We are very determined to de-risk…. We’re not about decoupling. We’re not about containing China. We’re not about trying to hold it back economically,” the state department official said.

Sure hope Biden isn't really believing above. De-risk vs decoupling, just an euphemism for a lower degree of the same thing. I guess an argument can be made that we are not trying to contain China economically but Xi sure as heck knows we are trying to contain China militarily.

I'd continue to apply pressure and continue to train/arm Taiwan, Japan, Australia and Philippines. Continue to encourage businesses to leave China and work with India & other APAC countries for the required sourcing, manufacturing etc.

Edward64 06-16-2023 11:03 PM

Great, let's get these lawsuits lined up and done.

I really don't know if BMS & Merck have a good case, but prefer to get the lawsuits settled quicker rather than later, and move on.

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/06/16/bris...otiations.html
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Bristol Myers Squibb on Friday sued the Biden administration over Medicare’s new powers to slash drug prices, the third such lawsuit to be filed against the program in a matter of days.

The lawsuit filed in federal district court in New Jersey argues the Medicare negotiations violate the First and Fifth Amendments of the U.S. Constitution.

Bristol Myers Squibb has asked the court to declare the program unconstitutional and prevent the Health and Human Services Department from forcing the company to enter negotiations.

Bristol Myers Squibb’s arguments mirror those lodged last week by Merck, the first company to sue the federal government over the drug negotiations. The U.S. Chamber of Commerce has also sued HHS over the program with similar arguments.

SirFozzie 06-17-2023 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 3404472)
I don't think it happens. It's something they'll talk about with friendly media but it won't play well with moderates/independents. They have such a narrow margin in the House that it would make those in blue/purple districts highly vulnerable in another year.

Remember that the Dems probably win the House if New York wasn't run by the worst politicians in the country.


Especially since the Supreme Court's decision in the VRA case means that the Dems should pick up a few more seats in the next election

Brian Swartz 06-17-2023 06:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Edward64
we should still be PO'd about the spy balloon(s).


Why? Is there anyone who reasonably doubts that they aren't constantly doing whatever they can to spy on us ... and that we're not doing the same thing right back?

Edward64 06-17-2023 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Brian Swartz (Post 3404489)
Why? Is there anyone who reasonably doubts that they aren't constantly doing whatever they can to spy on us ... and that we're not doing the same thing right back?


I assume you don't really mean "same thing" as in US spy balloons floating over China but more "similar things" as in satellites, electronic eavesdropping etc.

So yes, both sides are definitely spying. Doesn't mean one can't be PO'd about it. Both sides have the right to be PO'd about it.

And both sides definitely have the right to be very, very PO'd when/if it's a balloon floating over one's landmass (e.g. just like Russia was in shooting down the U2).

GrantDawg 06-17-2023 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by SirFozzie (Post 3404483)
Especially since the Supreme Court's decision in the VRA case means that the Dems should pick up a few more seats in the next election

Y'all are thinking in common sense strategy. What has anything the MAGA-hats done strike you as common sense? They HAVE to impeach Biden, or at least make a good show of trying. They have to make impeachment a "ho-hum" regular political move because that is exactly what they promised they would do if the Dems impeached Trump. They also never look at the political big picture, they are only concerned about winning the primaries in their heavily gerrymandered districts. If they are not extreme enough, someone more extreme will take them out. They absolutely can't go back to their district and say "we didn't impeach Biden because of political concern in the moderate districts."

GrantDawg 06-17-2023 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Edward64 (Post 3404490)
I assume you don't really mean "same thing" as in US spy balloons floating over China but more "similar things" as in satellites, electronic eavesdropping etc.

So yes, both sides are definitely spying. Doesn't mean one can't be PO'd about it. Both sides have the right to be PO'd about it.

And both sides definitely have the right to be very, very PO'd when/if it's a balloon floating over one's landmass (e.g. just like Russia was in shooting down the U2).

Both sides have to make a show of being pissed, but it really is just business as usual.

PilotMan 06-17-2023 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by GrantDawg (Post 3404511)
Both sides have to make a show of being pissed, but it really is just business as usual.


It happens. We've been flying spy planes over our adversaries for decades.

SirFozzie 06-17-2023 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by GrantDawg (Post 3404510)
Y'all are thinking in common sense strategy. What has anything the MAGA-hats done strike you as common sense? They HAVE to impeach Biden, or at least make a good show of trying. They have to make impeachment a "ho-hum" regular political move because that is exactly what they promised they would do if the Dems impeached Trump. They also never look at the political big picture, they are only concerned about winning the primaries in their heavily gerrymandered districts. If they are not extreme enough, someone more extreme will take them out. They absolutely can't go back to their district and say "we didn't impeach Biden because of political concern in the moderate districts."


The thing is, that the moderates are already on the edge of "I'd rather work with centrist Dems then you lot" with what almost happened in the debt ceiling, and they're pissed off that that the MegaMAGA is trying to peel back their victory on the debt ceiling.

Something like "We had this spending thing solved until 2025, so we can focus on other stuff to get us more seats, and you have to pull us back in that mud????"

The moderate republicans are starting to think about "There's more of us then the true crazies, so why do they have all the power?" which is verrrry dangerous to the MAGA heads. If the Moderates manage to get a toe hold in, that could lead to a vicious cycle where they can't push their agenda, which risks them being replaced by even MORE fervent members of the faction, which makes their goal even harder to reach, rinse and repeat.

So, pushing out messaging stuff about gas stoves etcetera? That doesn't bother the moderates much. If I'm going to be cynical, their view is "It won't change anything and it'll make the rubes happy, so, sure. why not" (same with the Obamacare votes when they were out of power).

Doing something like impeachment will play well with their base, but moderates know that its been Trumpist style candidates are the reason they're not firmly in power (on both sides of Congress), so they're less willing to play along. I wouldn't be surprised if enough of them didn't put a bug in McCarthy's ear that "don't let the true believers start it, they won't like how it turns out"...

Something that will give them a bipartisan sheen but not necessarily totally kill themselves with at least some of the most fervent believers. Something like "Do I disagree with Joe Biden? Yes. Do I think he's a Bad President? Yes. Do I think he should be voted out in the next election? Oh, definitely. But does this report reach the threshold of needing impeachment, no.. I don't. If and When the violations of law from the administration are found, let them be thoroughly investigated and punished within the realm of law. Until then, I will spend my time trying to ameliorate the worst impulses of this administration by opposing them with my votes"

bronconick 06-17-2023 11:37 AM

That might be the warning shot of the Adam Schiff censure being shot down by 20 moderate Republicans last week. If you can't even get that, you're not getting an impeachment through.

SackAttack 06-18-2023 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by SirFozzie (Post 3404483)
Especially since the Supreme Court's decision in the VRA case means that the Dems should pick up a few more seats in the next election


Nah. That isn't how this works.

SCOTUS said "those maps are bad." So they'll go draw other maps that are nearly as bad, get that tied up in litigation, and eventually the courts will go "we can't do anything about this right now because it's too close to an election and will cause voter confusion."

As a result, the existing maps will still be in play in 2024 even though SCOTUS threw them out.

The courts care way more about voter confusion than voter enfranchisement, so the playbook when your gerrymandered maps DO get smacked down is just to just drag it out as long as you can. It's like never having to change at all.

Thomkal 06-20-2023 09:36 AM

Hunter Biden expected to *GASP* plead guilty to two tax charges and pre-trial diversion for a gun ownership charge. I expect Joe Biden to resign any moment now...


https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/joe...rges-rcna90144

stevew 06-20-2023 10:20 AM

Hunter Brandon’s labtop though

Thomkal 06-20-2023 10:25 AM

Yeah Trump says he got off with a "traffic ticket". :)

Lathum 06-20-2023 10:26 AM

and on cue the MAGA bros are freaking because it isn't enough of a punishment and comparing this to Trumps classified docs case, because you know, they are totally the same.

SirFozzie 06-20-2023 11:36 AM

Gun charges? Tax evasion?

Hunter Biden just shot up 15% in GOP primary polling\

HerRealName 06-20-2023 12:36 PM

I'm going full maga. Biden needs to step away from politics and not run in 2024. Newsome or someone under 60 can replace him.

Thomkal 06-20-2023 12:44 PM

Yep Republicans/far righters going full-boar on "sweetheart deal". Almost everyone using it.

GrantDawg 06-20-2023 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by HerRealName (Post 3404723)
I'm going full maga. Biden needs to step away from politics and not run in 2024. Newsome or someone under 60 can replace him.

Yes. Uh. Biden is too "damaged." It would be in the best interest of the country if he stepped aside for Mark Kelly or Gretchen Whitmer.

Edward64 06-20-2023 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by GrantDawg (Post 3404732)
Yes. Uh. Biden is too "damaged." It would be in the best interest of the country if he stepped aside for Mark Kelly or Gretchen Whitmer.


Er, think you forgot Kamala.

GrantDawg 06-20-2023 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Edward64 (Post 3404739)
Er, think you forgot Kamala.

Never heard of her.

RainMaker 06-20-2023 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by SirFozzie (Post 3404719)
Gun charges? Tax evasion?

Hunter Biden just shot up 15% in GOP primary polling\



Haven't heard many 2A folks being upset about the gun charge which is rarely used and likely unconstitutional.

GrantDawg 06-20-2023 07:46 PM

Tomorrow the GOP expects to have enough votes to censure Adam Schiff, and there are also giving a vote to begin impeachment proceedings on President Biden.

Edit: Actually it is a straight vote to impeach. Crazy Colorado lady put in as a privilege vote to force it on the floor.

CrimsonFox 06-20-2023 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Edward64 (Post 3404739)
Er, think you forgot Kamala.


The right calls her "Cameltoe"

SirFozzie 06-20-2023 08:44 PM

I'm surprised with how racist some of them are, they don't refer to her as "Kamala, the Ugandan Giant" you know with the painted body and the spear.

Edward64 06-21-2023 06:02 AM

Joe, you've undone the goodwill/groveling that you sent Blinken to China to do just a couple days ago. I really want to believe you have a real China strategy with your statement, like some sort of carrot & stick, good cop/bad cop. But I'm thinking you just had a momentary lapse in judgement, your team will try to walk it back some, but China won't forget this.

But I love it. Continue de-coupling (de-risk) and spread the wealth of US manufacturing needs to other countries (and definitely greatly reduce our reliance on Taiwan).

China hits back at Biden: ‘Extremely absurd’ to call Xi a dictator – POLITICO
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China on Wednesday hit back at U.S. President Joe Biden’s recent comment that his Chinese counterpart Xi Jinping was a dictator.

“It is a blatant political provocation. China expresses strong dissatisfaction and opposition,” said Mao Ning, spokesperson for the Chinese foreign ministry, at a regular press briefing, AP reported.

“The U.S. remarks are extremely absurd and irresponsible,” Mao added.

China’s response comes a day after Biden, speaking at a campaign event in California, likened Xi to a dictator when referring to the U.S. downing a Chinese spy balloon in February.

[b]“The reason why Xi Jinping got very upset in terms of when I shot that balloon down with two box cars full of spy equipment is he didn’t know it was there,” Biden said. “That was the great embarrassment for dictators, when they didn’t know what happened.”

stevew 06-21-2023 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by CrimsonFox (Post 3404776)
The right calls her "Cameltoe"


I thought it was “The Hoe”

RainMaker 06-21-2023 02:30 PM

Why would they walk it back? Xi is a dictator by almost every definition of the word. Or at the best, it's an authoritarian one-party state.

We don't need to play their silly games and pretend they are something they are not.

Ghost Econ 06-21-2023 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 3404873)
Why would they walk it back? Xi is a dictator by almost every definition of the word. Or at the best, it's an authoritarian one-party state.

We don't need to play their silly games and pretend they are something they are not.


I thought he was a tubby little cubby all stuffed with fluff.

Thomkal 06-22-2023 12:45 PM

So George Santos who said he'd go to jail rather than reveal who paid his bond, of course lied and did not. Apparantly the ones who paid are his dad and his aunt, a house painter and a mail carrier put up the $500,000

Atocep 06-22-2023 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Thomkal (Post 3404970)
So George Santos who said he'd go to jail rather than reveal who paid his bond, of course lied and did not. Apparantly the ones who paid are his dad and his aunt, a house painter and a mail carrier put up the $500,000


I don't think they had to put any money up. They were just responsible for that amount if he no-showed.

Edward64 06-22-2023 02:36 PM

I'd think they had to get a bail bond for 10% of the bail or something.

GrantDawg 06-22-2023 03:31 PM

There was a third person who withdrew before they exposed the names.

GrantDawg 06-22-2023 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Edward64 (Post 3404985)
I'd think they had to get a bail bond for 10% of the bail or something.

It was unsecured or a "signature" bond. They didn't have to put up any money or collateral. They would be responsible for the money if he ran.

JPhillips 06-23-2023 10:16 AM

Grab the popcorn. There's a reported movement in the House Freedom Caucus to expel MTG.

BYU 14 06-23-2023 11:00 AM

Pretty decisive, even Thomas agreed, but of course they are just setting the table for the next GOP President to crack down without interference from blue states

Supreme Court allows Biden administration to limit immigration arrests

Lathum 06-23-2023 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3405061)
Grab the popcorn. There's a reported movement in the House Freedom Caucus to expel MTG.


It is so much fun watching them implode.

HerRealName 06-23-2023 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 3405080)
It is so much fun watching them implode.


Too soon.

:)

RainMaker 06-23-2023 05:24 PM

$9 billion loan to Ford with no strings attached with taxpayer money.

SirFozzie 06-23-2023 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 3405080)
It is so much fun watching them implode.


from the HFC or from the House?

JPhillips 06-23-2023 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by SirFozzie (Post 3405126)
from the HFC or from the House?


HFC

Lathum 06-23-2023 07:07 PM

Mostly the HFC. The more their crazy is on display the better it is for America

Atocep 06-25-2023 09:46 PM

Big week for SCOTUS rulings. I'm guessing all, or most, of these will break towards conservatives since these were held until the last week of the current session.

Independent State Legislature is a potentially massive ruling. Siding with NC wouldn't make any sense at all after the ruling on Alabama's map, but you never know with this court. If they side with NC then state courts will no longer be able to shoot down election maps as NC is arguing that it's a legislative issue not a judiciary.

Affirmative Action could be gutted.

The Student Debt relief decision.

Religious accommodations could be expanded with Groff v DeJoy.

Plus several others.

Edward64 06-26-2023 08:42 AM

It occurred to me that Biden didn't give any speech or make a statement this weekend about what was happening in Russia.

He wouldn't/shouldn't give all the details he knows but a short speech or neutral statement to the effect of "we are aware, monitoring, consulting with allies, not interfering etc." would have been (I thought) standard procedure.

But then, it didn't seem anyone was too concerned about a real coup in progress of a member of the nuclear club (too distracted in cheering on the "thunder run to Moscow"). And seemingly, not in the stock markets either which is currently up a little.

Just seem a little weird to me.

albionmoonlight 06-26-2023 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Edward64 (Post 3405333)
It occurred to me that Biden didn't give any speech or make a statement this weekend about what was happening in Russia.

He wouldn't/shouldn't give all the details he knows but a short speech or neutral statement to the effect of "we are aware, monitoring, consulting with allies, not interfering etc." would have been (I thought) standard procedure.

But then, it didn't seem anyone was too concerned about a real coup in progress of a member of the nuclear club (too distracted in cheering on the "thunder run to Moscow"). And seemingly, not in the stock markets either which is currently up a little.

Just seem a little weird to me.


One of Putin's go-to propaganda moves is to say that any attack on him--even internally--is really the West trying to weaken Russia.

We know that anything we say, however innocuous, will be twisted into "See, this is all The West. You need to support me to support Russia" for the Russian people. I think that's why we are very reluctant to comment on anything inside of Russia's borders.

GrantDawg 06-26-2023 03:49 PM

Biden made a statement today denying any involvement. Not that if we were involved he would have said "Yeah, we did it. And we would have gotten away with it if it weren't for those meddling kids."

Edward64 06-26-2023 04:36 PM

A little late IMO.

But then, I could see them putting the finishing touches on his speech Sat and about to call the WH reporters. Then saw the breaking news and said "WTF, cancel it, we were too slow, its over already"

Edward64 06-26-2023 05:09 PM

I like it. This was part of the Infrastructure Bill back in Nov 2021, should have been implemented earlier but I'm guessing they wanted to spread out the goodies for maximum political impact.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/bide...y?id=100380154
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President Joe Biden on Monday announced how $42.5 billion from the bipartisan infrastructure law he championed will be distributed to expand high-speed internet access across the country.

The funding will go to all 50 states, Washington, D.C., and U.S. territories, and is aimed at bolstering internet access particularly for the 7% of people who live in underserved areas, according to the White House, which said all residents and small business could be connected to "reliable, affordable high-speed internet by 2030."

I was wondering if it would be affordable after the access has been taken care of. More details below.

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$14.2 billion for the Affordable Connectivity Program (ACP), which provides eligible households up to $30/month (up to $75/month on qualifying Tribal Lands) off their internet bill, as well as a one-time $100 toward a desktop, laptop or tablet computer offered by participating internet service providers. Thanks to commitments by over 20 internet service providers, millions of Americans are using the Affordable Connectivity Program to access internet for free. Today, 19 million Americans are enrolled in this program. Households can check their eligibility and sign up at GetInternet.gov.

albionmoonlight 06-26-2023 05:31 PM

The contrast between Dems constantly enacting policies to help rural America and the GOP war on cities is striking.

Edward64 06-26-2023 06:05 PM

I also like how it has specific provisions for Native Americans. I haven't studied the situation but it seems we haven't done enough for that particular group of Americans. Short of giving back all the land, or giving each $1-$10M there should be many ways to assist them more.

You'll be hearing more about Bidenomics in the next year.

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"Bidenomics is rooted in the simple idea that we need to grow the economy from the middle out and the bottom up—not the top down," two of his senior advisers, Anita Dunn and Mike Donilon, wrote in a memorandum released Monday.
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... a new campaign message centered on “Bidenomics” — shorthand for the administration’s economic strategy of boosting the middle class through government investments rather than stimulative tax cuts focused on the wealthy.

Thomkal 06-27-2023 09:56 AM

Supreme Court (just barely 6-3) rejects the independent state legislature theory, which would have allowed state legislatures to toss out election results it didn't like. Yeah for Democracy!

Atocep 06-27-2023 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Thomkal (Post 3405446)
Supreme Court (just barely 6-3) rejects the independent state legislature theory, which would have allowed state legislatures to toss out election results it didn't like. Yeah for Democracy!


Alito, Thomas, and Gorsuch were easy desents on this. I'm curious to read the reasoning.

Pretty scary what would have happened if this hadn't been shot down. It would have given state legislatures the green light to overturn election results for any reason, allowed them to create election maps without oversight, and generally given them full control without the ability of a governor, court, or anyone else to question any decision regarding elections.

GrantDawg 06-27-2023 10:51 AM

I felt pretty good that this was going to be the outcome, but I was worried. I think the map decision last week made me feel much better about a good outcome on this, but the fact they took the arguments instead of punting when they had a chance made me nervous.

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Thomkal 06-27-2023 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Atocep (Post 3405450)
Alito, Thomas, and Gorsuch were easy desents on this. I'm curious to read the reasoning.

Pretty scary what would have happened if this hadn't been shot down. It would have given state legislatures the green light to overturn election results for any reason, allowed them to create election maps without oversight, and generally given them full control without the ability of a governor, court, or anyone else to question any decision regarding elections.



I'm reading (not sure how accurate) that Thomas thought it should have been moot and dismissed

albionmoonlight 06-27-2023 11:03 AM

Thomas, Gorsuch, and Alito all thought it was moot.

Thomas and Gorsuch also wrote to say that they disagreed with the merits. Alito did not join that part (but it is not hard to see where he would come out on that).

I think that the majority wanted to nip ISL in the bud and were not going to let possible mootness stop them.

Brian Swartz 06-27-2023 11:07 AM

Correct.

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Originally Posted by Justice Thomas
the Court “is without power to decide moot questions or to give advisory opinions which cannot affect the rights of the litigants in the case before it.”


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Originally Posted by Justice Thomas
The opinion that the Court releases today breaks that thread. It “affirms” an interlocutory state-court judgment that has since been overruled and supplanted by a final
judgment resolving all claims in petitioners’ favor. The issue on which it opines—a federal defense to claims already dismissed on other grounds—can no longer affect the judgment in this litigation in any way. As such, the question is indisputably moot, and today’s majority opinion is plainly advisory. Because the writ of certiorari should be dismissed, I respectfully dissent.


From the first page of his dissent.

GrantDawg 06-27-2023 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Brian Swartz (Post 3405457)
Correct.





From the first page of his dissent.

The funny thing is he is not wrong. It is very unlike the Court to continue an appeal on a judgement that had already been reversed. Like I said earlier, that was the part that made me nervous. I thought the conservatives might have wanted to ignore normal process to make clear before the next election that the legislatures could go nuts. It seems it was actually likely Roberts wanted to make clear they couldn't. It was foresight the court has often not done in the past even when they had a chance.

Ghost Econ 06-27-2023 01:41 PM

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Bidenomics is rooted in the simple idea that we need to grow the economy from the middle out and the bottom up—not the top down," two of his senior advisers, Anita Dunn and Mike Donilon, wrote in a memorandum released Monday.

Always go middle out

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ex1JuIN0eaA

albionmoonlight 06-27-2023 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by GrantDawg (Post 3405481)
The funny thing is he is not wrong. It is very unlike the Court to continue an appeal on a judgement that had already been reversed. Like I said earlier, that was the part that made me nervous. I thought the conservatives might have wanted to ignore normal process to make clear before the next election that the legislatures could go nuts. It seems it was actually likely Roberts wanted to make clear they couldn't. It was foresight the court has often not done in the past even when they had a chance.


I agree. The Court wanted to try and preempt an ISL-based crisis in the middle of the 2024 election.

albionmoonlight 06-27-2023 03:16 PM



It's all culture war now. But to the extent any voters actually still care about the economy (as opposed to voting based on culture war and just saying "economy" to sound smart), this is good for Biden.

RainMaker 06-27-2023 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by albionmoonlight (Post 3405388)
The contrast between Dems constantly enacting policies to help rural America and the GOP war on cities is striking.



They even go home and brag about something they voted against.



GrantDawg 06-27-2023 04:05 PM

Every indicator is how good our economy is doing, but it is hard to convince people of that when everything is still way more expensive than it was a couple of years ago. Inflation may have "slowed" but it doesn't feel like it.

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albionmoonlight 06-27-2023 04:20 PM

I get it. America is doing better than peer countries. But that's not how people feel.

It is like how if the S&P goes up 10%, and your portfolio goes up 5%, you should be mad at your broker, but you are probably happy b/c it went up. And if S&P goes down 10% and you go down 5%, you should be happy, but you are probably upset.

Ksyrup 06-27-2023 04:36 PM

Peer countries is an irrelevant comparison when the vast majority of Americans don't visit or are not impacted by, much less care about, said peer countries. We compare ourselves to ourselves.

RainMaker 06-27-2023 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Ksyrup (Post 3405521)
Peer countries is an irrelevant comparison when the vast majority of Americans don't visit or are not impacted by, much less care about, said peer countries. We compare ourselves to ourselves.


Yeah, I've always said that if people were forced to travel around the world for a bit, they'd come back and be furious with the United States. People here only know what they know.

Ksyrup 06-27-2023 04:42 PM

Or if geography made us interact with other countries, like in Europe. But we're so big and only bordered by 2 countries, we don't really think about anyone else.

Edward64 06-27-2023 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Ksyrup (Post 3405521)
Peer countries is an irrelevant comparison when the vast majority of Americans don't visit or are not impacted by, much less care about, said peer countries. We compare ourselves to ourselves.


Yeah, I've always said that if people were forced to travel around the world for a bit, they'd come back and be overall grateful for what we have in the United States. People here only know what they know.

JPhillips 06-27-2023 07:25 PM

Roseanne is who we thought she was.


Edward64 06-27-2023 07:35 PM

I'm guessing its a dry joke that people was too quick to be offended by (e.g. she's Jewish).

But we'll see how this plays out.

GrantDawg 06-27-2023 07:40 PM

It was from my understanding, but people hate her so they will pile on. I mean, SHE is Jewish.

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Edward64 06-27-2023 07:59 PM

It'll hurt my Big Tech portfolio but of course, we frakking limit exporting key AI technologies to China.

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Shares of Nvidia Corp. and Advanced Micro Devices Inc. slumped in the extended session Tuesday following a report that the Biden administration is considering a new ban on sales of AI chips to China.

Nvidia shares NVDA,A fell 3% after hours, following a 3.1% gain to close at $418.76, while AMD shares AMD, also fell 3%, after a 2.7% gain in the regular session to close at $110.39.

Late Tuesday, the Wall Street Journal reported the Commerce Department could further block sales of AI chips to China unless U.S. companies first obtain a special license.

The ban would follow upon similar actions last year that threatened $400 million in Nvidia sales, but the company found a workaround in supplying a version of products that avoided the ban.

Edward64 06-28-2023 09:44 PM

Something not yet (enough) in the Dem public consciousness. If Dems want to bring back some balance, Biden better win.

Supreme Court: Retirement talk surrounding Thomas, Alito raises stakes for 2024 electionÂ*
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Lawmakers are looking ahead to the 2024 election as a pivotal opportunity to shape the future of the Supreme Court because of the possibility that conservative Justices Clarence Thomas, 75, and Samuel Alito, 73, could retire.

Democrats are worried that if Biden loses and the GOP wins the Senate majority, it could allow a GOP president to replace both men with younger conservatives who could rule far into the future.

“It’s critical. President Biden, who I feel confident will be reelected, needs to be able to put more judges on the bench, federal judges, including Supreme Court. It is absolutely critical that the Senate remain in Democratic hands,” said Sen. Debbie Stabenow (D-Mich.), who will retire at the end of next year.

Edward64 06-28-2023 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by albionmoonlight (Post 3405335)
One of Putin's go-to propaganda moves is to say that any attack on him--even internally--is really the West trying to weaken Russia.

We know that anything we say, however innocuous, will be twisted into "See, this is all The West. You need to support me to support Russia" for the Russian people. I think that's why we are very reluctant to comment on anything inside of Russia's borders.


Apparently Biden & rest of allies agreed with you re: no press conferences over the weekend

Inside Biden's dramatic backchannel to Russia as a near-coup unfolded - POLITICO
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And Biden, in his conversations with other NATO leaders this weekend, sought agreement that the West would be best served by remaining mostly silent, our colleagues Alex Ward, Lili Bayer, Suzanne Lynch and Christina Gallardo reported this week.


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