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Logan 08-04-2009 08:12 PM

Luis Castillo, one of two regular Mets that hasn't gotten hurt all year, and who is finally putting together a good season since joining the team...falls down the steps of the dugout after an at bat and leaves the game. Unreal.

stevew 08-04-2009 08:15 PM

Petit has to be shocked he is pitching a NO HITTER

Swaggs 08-04-2009 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by stevew (Post 2088586)
Was the Upton outfield error close? Suprised the scorer at home wouldn't have given Cedano a double


It was a liner/floater to the warning track that he got under fairly easily, got himself well positioned, and then closed his glove too early. It could have been a hit without much beef, since he ran a fair distance to get under it, but he was definitely in position to make it. I would have called it an error, too.

Swaggs 08-04-2009 08:22 PM

Doh!

Chief Rum 08-05-2009 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by k0ruptr (Post 2088577)
Jose Contreras lost all hell of control in the 3rd inning and got yanked.


Wish they had kept him in.

k0ruptr 08-05-2009 12:35 AM

Scotty Pods loves you.

Chief Rum 08-05-2009 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by k0ruptr (Post 2088869)
Scotty Pods loves you.


Not as much as Nix. That guy doesn't seem to do crap except when he plays us. At least Posednik does stuff when other teams are in town.

LastWhiteSoxFanStanding 08-05-2009 01:42 AM

The White Sox put up the phrase "The Catch" on the wall where Wise caught the ball to preserve the perfect game. Funny how baseball works, career journeyman will now always be remembered (at least until they tear the stadium down)

LastWhiteSoxFanStanding 08-05-2009 01:44 AM

I apologize if this has been mentioned but as of now Pedro Martinez is the only pitcher in major league history to win over 200 games and lose less than 100. He is at 214-99 I think. He should stay retired just for that reason, competitive streak be damned! :-)

bhlloy 08-05-2009 01:47 AM

Yeah that was a frustrating way to lose a game. As well as the Angels are playing, I don't see them going anywhere in the Playoffs. 2 starters and 2 relievers away from being a team that really threatens, which is a shame because the offense is probably never going to click as well as they are right now.

When fricking Kevin Jepsen is your go to guy with a tie ballgame in the 8th, you know your bullpen is really horrific. I'm amazed they couldn't pick up somebody to fill the 7th and 8th. At least we have some starters who might turn it around (Saunders, Santana). The bullpen is just running on fumes though and there were some cheap deals out there for veteran MR. Bit of a strange decision from Reagins to stand pat with such a great offense and such a glaring need.

JetsIn06 08-05-2009 03:26 AM

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Originally Posted by LastWhiteSoxFanStanding (Post 2088875)
I apologize if this has been mentioned but as of now Pedro Martinez is the only pitcher in major league history to win over 200 games and lose less than 100. He is at 214-99 I think. He should stay retired just for that reason, competitive streak be damned! :-)


Wow, that's pretty cool.

sterlingice 08-05-2009 08:05 AM

ls- great game for the Nats last night :)

Was watching MLBN for most of last night and there were a lot of good games. There was Petit's 7 inning no-hitter try, the seesaw Cards-Mets game, Rays-Red Sox extra innings, the White Sox walkoff, and, yeah, the Nats-Fish 6 runs in the 8th capped by Adam Dunn's homer for the win.

SI

MrDNA 08-05-2009 08:38 PM

J.A. Happ pitches a real beaut for the mini-slumping Phils: 9.0ip 4h 0r 2bb 10k

Please, no bullpen for this young man!

larrymcg421 08-05-2009 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by LastWhiteSoxFanStanding (Post 2088875)
I apologize if this has been mentioned but as of now Pedro Martinez is the only pitcher in major league history to win over 200 games and lose less than 100. He is at 214-99 I think. He should stay retired just for that reason, competitive streak be damned! :-)


He should clearly stay retired because pitching extra seasons punishes you in some people's eyes, and everything he's done up to this point will be lessened as his ERA+ continues to drop.

Philliesfan980 08-05-2009 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by MrDNA (Post 2089546)
J.A. Happ pitches a real beaut for the mini-slumping Phils: 9.0ip 4h 0r 2bb 10k

Please, no bullpen for this young man!


I'll tell you what, if Moyer was such the "wiley veteran" that everyone always says he is, he would be the bigger man, and make this decision easier on the Phillies, and step down.

There's absolutely no way in hell, that when you have a chance to win another WS, you let things such as letting the guy pitch just because he has 250+ wins under his belt. The only thing that I care about at this time is how many wins can a guy get me from here on out.

Look Jamie, you've had a great career, you've accomplished a ton, battled back from the abyss of baseball several times, but it's time to go. Can't you see a little of yourself in the young lefthander that really deserves your spot?

tucker rocky 08-05-2009 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Philliesfan980 (Post 2089552)
I'll tell you what, if Moyer was such the "wiley veteran" that everyone always says he is, he would be the bigger man, and make this decision easier on the Phillies, and step down.

There's absolutely no way in hell, that when you have a chance to win another WS, you let things such as letting the guy pitch just because he has 250+ wins under his belt. The only thing that I care about at this time is how many wins can a guy get me from here on out.

Look Jamie, you've had a great career, you've accomplished a ton, battled back from the abyss of baseball several times, but it's time to go. Can't you see a little of yourself in the young lefthander that really deserves your spot?


This is the rotation I'd like to see for the rest of the season.

Hamels
Lee
Blanton
Happ
Martinez

Moyer has done an ok job this year.
Hot and cold, time to step aside.
It's either bullpen, waivers, or the least likely, traded.
Announcing his retirement would be the best option.

tucker rocky 08-05-2009 09:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrDNA (Post 2089546)
J.A. Happ pitches a real beaut for the mini-slumping Phils: 9.0ip 4h 0r 2bb 10k

Please, no bullpen for this young man!


I'm glad the Phillies didn't give Happ up to BlueJays for Doc.

stevew 08-05-2009 09:06 PM

Prince Fielder needs his ass kicked. The Brewers are a bunch of babies.

Alan T 08-05-2009 09:07 PM

I think the Phillies should continue to pitch Moyer the rest of the season. Would be ashame to disgrace such a great pitcher in his final years! :)

tucker rocky 08-05-2009 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by stevew (Post 2089559)
Prince Fielder needs his ass kicked. The Brewers are a bunch of babies.


I read about it, saw video of him getting hit, but no video of after the final out.

Big Fo 08-05-2009 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by larrymcg421 (Post 2089549)
He should clearly stay retired because pitching extra seasons punishes you in some people's eyes, and everything he's done up to this point will be lessened as his ERA+ continues to drop.


haha

Logan 08-05-2009 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by stevew (Post 2089559)
Prince Fielder needs his ass kicked. The Brewers are a bunch of babies.


Can I add to that list whoever that prick was on the Cards who threw at David Wright's head today?

JetsIn06 08-05-2009 09:30 PM

Excellent two-game sweep by the Rays over the Red Sox.

Dr. Sak 08-05-2009 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Philliesfan980 (Post 2089552)
I'll tell you what, if Moyer was such the "wiley veteran" that everyone always says he is, he would be the bigger man, and make this decision easier on the Phillies, and step down.


I agree. When he's on he's good but when he isn't he gets pounded. There is no middle ground. He seems to do well against Florida so he can start only against them.

JonInMiddleGA 08-05-2009 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Sak (Post 2089573)
I agree. When he's on he's good but when he isn't he gets pounded. There is no middle ground. He seems to do well against Florida so he can start only against them.


Looking at his numbers, it seems like he just can't pitch at home.

2009 Home - 60 IP, ERA 7.16
2009 Away - 58 IP, ERA 3.88
2008 Home - 91 IP, ERA 4.62
2008 Away - 104 IP, ERA 2.92

ISiddiqui 08-05-2009 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by JetsIn06 (Post 2089571)
Excellent two-game sweep by the Rays over the Red Sox.


Indeed! It's almost criminal that the Yanks, Red Sox, and Rays are the same division. Though it should make for a fun August and September.

SackAttack 08-05-2009 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by stevew (Post 2089559)
Prince Fielder needs his ass kicked. The Brewers are a bunch of babies.


He would've had it kicked if he had succeeded in going 1-on-25 last night. Heh.

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Originally Posted by tucker rocky (Post 2089562)
I read about it, saw video of him getting hit, but no video of after the final out.


I dunno what happened after the final out, but there wouldn't have been cameras in the corridor between the clubhouses.

If getting hit on the thigh triggered that kind of a tantrum (I was gonna call it an overreaction, but an overreaction happens on the field, not fifteen minutes later in the clubhouses), I wonder how he would've reacted if Mota had hit him where Manny got plunked. Probably would've whipped out an Uzi and started gunning people down.

MizzouRah 08-05-2009 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Logan (Post 2089568)
Can I add to that list whoever that prick was on the Cards who threw at David Wright's head today?


I heard Pujols and Ludwig were hit by pitches, but I didn't know someone from the Cardinals threw at David Wright's head. That wouldn't even sit well with LaRussa.

JetsIn06 08-05-2009 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by ISiddiqui (Post 2089612)
Indeed! It's almost criminal that the Yanks, Red Sox, and Rays are the same division. Though it should make for a fun August and September.


Definitely. Big Yanks/Sox series coming up over the weekend. It will really impact the race.

Logan 08-06-2009 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by MizzouRah (Post 2089618)
I heard Pujols and Ludwig were hit by pitches, but I didn't know someone from the Cardinals threw at David Wright's head. That wouldn't even sit well with LaRussa.


Ludwick was hit in the 4th on a 2-2 pitch, and Pujols in the 5th on a pitch that only hit him because of his enormous forearms dropping down as he tried to swing. Thompson, meanwhile, threw one directly at Wright's ear, nothing that rose or rode in, that he got out of the way of by some miracle.

It's bad enough when guys throw at other players' heads, but nothing pisses me off more than when the ones doing it are relievers/AL pitchers/guys who will never have to step into the box and face the consequences. It's such a chicken shit move.

BishopMVP 08-06-2009 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by JetsIn06 (Post 2089571)
Excellent two-game sweep by the Rays over the Red Sox.

Nobody saw that coming :rolleyes: At least Varitek finally threw out a Ray, although I'm not sure Carlos Pena attempting to steal isn't more embarrassing. Hopefully we can continue some of our success against the Yankees now, although the pitching matchup game 1 doesn't look too good.
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Originally Posted by SackAttack (Post 2089613)
If getting hit on the thigh triggered that kind of a tantrum (I was gonna call it an overreaction, but an overreaction happens on the field, not fifteen minutes later in the clubhouses),

Was there something in the past between Fielder and Mota? ESPN specifically mentioned them being teammates last year.

Ronnie Dobbs2 08-06-2009 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by JetsIn06 (Post 2089622)
Definitely. Big Yanks/Sox series coming up over the weekend. It will really impact the race.


Why does it feel like August 2006 all of a sudden? :(

molson 08-06-2009 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Ronnie Dobbs2 (Post 2089745)
Why does it feel like August 2006 all of a sudden? :(


I think Javy Lopez is still available.

lungs 08-06-2009 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by stevew (Post 2089559)
Prince Fielder needs his ass kicked. The Brewers are a bunch of babies.


So anytime a pitcher nicks your best player coming inside retaliation is necessary?

Then they complained about Pierre getting hitting by a fucking RJ Swindle slider. RJ Swindle's breaking balls range from 55-65 MPH.

Prince definitely went overboard but this culture of retaliation of just fucking ridiculous. Maybe they should shrink the strike zone so inside pitches are just balls from now on.

stevew 08-06-2009 11:17 AM

Hey-I'm still peeved after they retaliated 2 months later and hit Karstens. That was just the Brewers being a bunch of bitchy little girls. I'm going to be hella pissed if Kendall(fuck that wanna be tough guy fuck) or Braun don't go down the next time the Brewers visit Pittsburgh.

lungs 08-06-2009 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by stevew (Post 2089881)
Hey-I'm still peeved after they retaliated 2 months later and hit Karstens. That was just the Brewers being a bunch of bitchy little girls. I'm going to be hella pissed if Kendall(fuck that wanna be tough guy fuck) or Braun don't go down the next time the Brewers visit Pittsburgh.


So when does the cycle end? Karstens started it by beaning Braun. Chris Smith retaliated by hitting Karstens (which I probably agreed with at the time but upon further reflection feel it was stupid). So now the Pirates have to retaliate because of the retaliation?

See how stupid this looks? Play the god damned game and leave the macho bullshit out of it. This isn't the NFL.

lungs 08-06-2009 04:43 PM

Dola

Go ahead and hit Kendall, you'll be doing the Brewers a favor by getting the second pitcher hitting in their lineup on base.

BishopMVP 08-06-2009 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Ronnie Dobbs2 (Post 2089745)
Why does it feel like August 2006 all of a sudden? :(

Stolen from a different board
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You're "reminded of 2006?"

Really? Would that be because tonight Jason Johnson will be followed out of the pen by Kyle Snyder and Rudy Seanez? Or maybe it's because Jon Lester will last only 3.2 and give up seven earned? No, wait, has to be because the catching duties will split between the warmed-over corpse of Doug Mirabelli and the already rigormortis-striked Javy Lopez (who'll be batting 5th).

You people do realize that in 2006, a spot in the bullpen was occupied by Jermaine Van Buren, right? And he actually pitched?
We do have Billy Traber in the bullpen though.... At least they re-called Josh Reddick, although it appears they're starting Youk in LF and Lowell at 3B because he won't get to the park on time.

JonInMiddleGA 08-06-2009 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by lungs (Post 2090119)
Play the god damned game and leave the macho bullshit out of it.


In one form or another, retaliation has been around baseball longer than most of our posters have been alive. It's a far more standing part of the game than whining about it, which seems to be a relatively new phenomenon.

ON BASEBALL; Retaliation Was Once the Rule - New York Times

Ronnie Dobbs2 08-06-2009 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by BishopMVP (Post 2090142)
Stolen from a different board


It's great that someone on another messageboard feels that way. It's obviously not the same, I don't remember saying it was. It certainly has the same feel, though.

dawgfan 08-06-2009 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA (Post 2090143)
In one form or another, retaliation has been around baseball longer than most of our posters have been alive. It's a far more standing part of the game than whining about it, which seems to be a relatively new phenomenon.

ON BASEBALL; Retaliation Was Once the Rule - New York Times

I'm no fan of purposely hitting players because of the chances of causing serious injury. Just because it's a "tradition" doesn't make it right.

That said, in this particular case Fielder is being a real pussy. Mota clearly was throwing at Fielder, but he was also pretty clearly aiming low (at his amply-sized ass), where the chances of serious injury are much smaller.

I totally get if batters are pissed when they think an opposing pitcher is purposely throwing at them, but what Fielder did would only be understandable if Mota had gone for his head.

miked 08-06-2009 08:38 PM

Man, Smoltz and Penny are really bad.

molson 08-06-2009 09:01 PM

It's amazing to think that it was pretty recently that the Red Sox starting pitching was considered a strength.

It's kind of sad to see Smoltz go out like this. 8.32 ERA in 8 starts. How much longer can they keep sending him out there? Not that there's much to replace him with.

EagleFan 08-06-2009 09:24 PM

This explains everything!!!!!

Blue Jays GM Confirms There Never Really Was A 'Roy Halladay' | The Onion - America's Finest News Source

Easy Mac 08-06-2009 09:36 PM

Yeah Pedroia, you're down 13-4 and the pitcher meant to hit you. I hate the Yanks, but the Sox and their fans are such douches

molson 08-06-2009 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Easy Mac (Post 2090225)
Yeah Pedroia, you're down 13-4 and the pitcher meant to hit you. I hate the Yanks, but the Sox and their fans are such douches


There needs to be a word that's the opposite of "frontrunner".

henry296 08-06-2009 09:41 PM

When will Wakefield be back for the Red Sox, that could be the end of Smoltz.

Big Fo 08-06-2009 09:42 PM

Frank Wren with a rare good move lowballing Smoltz this winter.

But before giving the guy too much praise it's worth noting that Wren wanted Smoltz, Mike Hampton, and Griffey Jr., thankfully they all turned the Braves down :D

Big Fo 08-06-2009 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by molson (Post 2090227)
There needs to be a word that's the opposite of "frontrunner".


Not a word, but the phrase "Detroit Lions fan" comes to mind.

SackAttack 08-07-2009 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by lungs (Post 2089829)
So anytime a pitcher nicks your best player coming inside retaliation is necessary?


Nope, but Ramirez has been hit 3 times in the last 2 weeks or so, and there was an issue late last year with Ramirez getting hit and his pitchers not "protecting" him.

I don't think the message was aimed at the Brewers directly as much as at the league at-large, and in smaller part, from the Dodger pitchers to Manny.


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