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Tekneek 07-01-2009 01:18 PM

Sign a 30 year old to a 12 year guaranteed contract? Hmmm...

bronconick 07-01-2009 01:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue (Post 2062655)
That's a very reasonable cap hit for a guy like Hossa. Very reasonable. Probably just a little bit outside of what Detroit could offer.

It will be really interesting to see what all these teams with players with 10+ year contracts look in the next 6-8 years.


I'm not 100% sure on how the buyout system works, but I wouldn't be surprised to see some push from owners/GMs who have these decade long deals to make it so that a buyout's cap space is equal to the actual amount of money being paid out then, thus allowing these guys to get out with only a $1 million hit or something.

Hell, they've got 1, probably 2 CBA's to work on to get it.

Dr. Sak 07-01-2009 01:24 PM

Roloson signed with NYI

Honolulu_Blue 07-01-2009 01:26 PM

The Hawks also signed Marian Hossa's Slovakian BFF Tomas Kopecky. I bet that was part of the arrangement.

DataKing 07-01-2009 01:31 PM

Sports radio in Chicago should be entertaining the next couple of days.

bbor 07-01-2009 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Sak (Post 2062664)
Roloson signed with NYI


Toskala to the Oilers?:D

RomaGoth 07-01-2009 01:49 PM

HaHa...

Can't say I will miss Hossa all that much. He notoriously did what he does best; disappears in the playoffs. I do believe that his playoff performance with the Pens was an aberration, not the norm.

I also do not believe this makes Chicago all that much better. During the regular season? Possibly. During the playoffs? Not so much. They are an up and coming team and will be a serious contender. However, I don't see them challenging the Wings yet.

Dr. Sak 07-01-2009 01:49 PM

Knuble to Washington for 2.8 per year for 2 yrs.

Maple Leafs 07-01-2009 01:58 PM


bbor 07-01-2009 02:10 PM

Nieds signs with the ducks...1/6M

RomaGoth 07-01-2009 03:14 PM

Good article about Holland and the Wings

Around the Rink – NHL Free Agency Edition « Official Blog for the Detroit Red Wings

Honolulu_Blue 07-01-2009 03:19 PM

Buhlin-Wall to the Oilers. 4 years/$15 million in total. You do the math.

RomaGoth 07-01-2009 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue (Post 2062728)
Buhlin-Wall to the Oilers. 4 years/$15 million in total. You do the math.


who?

Honolulu_Blue 07-01-2009 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by RomaGoth (Post 2062742)
who?


Nikolai Khabibulin

RomaGoth 07-01-2009 03:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue (Post 2062744)
Nikolai Khabibulin


Oh, never heard that nickname before. Wow, bad move for Edmonton IMHO. Did they give up on Toskala? :p

Honolulu_Blue 07-01-2009 04:02 PM

Hal Gill is a Canadien: 2 years at $2.5 m per

Mike Rupp is a Penguin: 2 years at $825K per

Ian Laperriere is a Flyer: 3 yerars at $1.17 m (I'm surprised by this. Isn't this pretty close to what Colorado offered him?)

DataKing 07-01-2009 04:03 PM

Burnside is underestimating the effect on the Caps of losing Federov.

RainMaker 07-01-2009 04:12 PM

Pretty pumped about the Hawks getting Hossa. I liked Havlat but he just got injured way too much. Not sure how you guys can think that's not an improvement considering they make the same amount. It also takes away a 40 goal scorer from their biggest conference rival.

Honolulu_Blue 07-01-2009 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 2062763)
Not sure how you guys can think that's not an improvement considering they make the same amount. It also takes away a 40 goal scorer from their biggest conference rival.


I think it's a huge improvement. I'd much rather have Hossa than Havlat and he's cheaper (cap-wise) to boot. I think the Blackhawks will be good enough to challenge for the Central Division title for sure (for whatever that's worth). They certain closed the (already narrow) gap with the Wings.

RomaGoth 07-01-2009 04:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 2062763)
Pretty pumped about the Hawks getting Hossa. I liked Havlat but he just got injured way too much. Not sure how you guys can think that's not an improvement considering they make the same amount. It also takes away a 40 goal scorer from their biggest conference rival.


I don't disagree with the Havlat/Hossa comparison, but who is going to play goalie? I also think the Hawks defense core is sub-par. Just my opinion though.

DataKing 07-01-2009 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by RomaGoth (Post 2062768)
I don't disagree with the Havlat/Hossa comparison, but who is going to play goalie? I also think the Hawks defense core is sub-par. Just my opinion though.


I really felt like Seabrook stepped up come playoff time, and helped to compensate for Campbell's disappearance (relative to his 7m cap number at least). But I agree that goaltender needs to be addressed. The book is wide open on Huet, and the Wings picked him apart.

MikeVic 07-01-2009 04:32 PM

I love Khabibulin to the Oilers. Jets goalie to my current fav NHL team.

Honolulu_Blue 07-01-2009 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by DataKing (Post 2062771)
I really felt like Seabrook stepped up come playoff time, and helped to compensate for Campbell's disappearance (relative to his 7m cap number at least). But I agree that goaltender needs to be addressed. The book is wide open on Huet, and the Wings picked him apart.


Despite struggling in Game 4, Huet was great in Game 5.

I think the Hawks are set up quite nicely for many years to come (assumign the cap remains relatively static).

Honolulu_Blue 07-01-2009 04:34 PM

Pavel Kubina to the Thrashers for Garnet Exelby.

There's more to the deal apparently, but those are the main parts.

RomaGoth 07-01-2009 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue (Post 2062774)
Despite struggling in Game 4, Huet was great in Game 5.

I think the Hawks are set up quite nicely for many years to come (assumign the cap remains relatively static).


I see Huet as another along the lines of Jose Theodore. Did pretty well in Montreal but when he left, the flaws in his game seemed to become apparent in a hurry. I am not sold on him.

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Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue (Post 2062775)
Pavel Kubina to the Thrashers for Garnet Exelby.

There's more to the deal apparently, but those are the main parts.


Kubina really has fallen hasn't he?

Honolulu_Blue 07-01-2009 05:21 PM

Komisarek to the Leafs: 4 years at $4.5 million per.

With Orr, Exelby and Komisarek, I think Brian Burke is finally getting the type of team he wants.

TurnerONU22 07-01-2009 05:36 PM

Jackets join the fray, by signing Sami Pahlsson to a 3 yr deal at 2.7 per.

Expensive, but I think the Jackets still have to overpay to get anyone to play for them.

CR or Hawks fans, how's he looked the past season? He seems like the perfect 3rd line center in a Hitchcock system.

JonInMiddleGA 07-01-2009 06:06 PM

:( on the Kubina - XLB (and Colin Stuart) trade.

There's little reason to think the Thrashers won't suck again next year as we prepare to watch Kovy depart, but at least Exelby was popular. At worst he was probably the second most popular guy on the team with the fans, despite frequently being out of position, he was at least entertaining to watch at times.

This trade could revolutionize the way people struggle to find any reason to go to Phillips Arena as long as DW is the GM.

Draft Dodger 07-01-2009 07:30 PM

Gaborik to the Rangers, 5 years, $5.75 million.

Think he regrets turning down 10 / 78 million from the Wild last fall?

EDIT: neverming, TSN had it wrong. it's $7.5 per.

bbor 07-01-2009 07:38 PM

Cammy to the Habs...5 years/6mil a year.

bbor 07-01-2009 07:38 PM

wow...Cammy got more than Gaborik???

Suburban Rhythm 07-01-2009 07:38 PM

More I didn't see yet (i scrolled thu quickly)

Cammalieri to MTL $30M over 5 years = $6M per

Komisarek to Toronto $22.5M over 5 = $4.5M per (is that not what they gave Finger!? Komisarek worth as much as Finger? WTF)

Gaborik to Rangers $37.5M over 5 = $7.5M per

Spacek to MTL $11.5 over 3 = $3.83M per

Cole stays in Carolina $5.8M over 2 = $2.9M per

Greg Zanon to Minnesota $5.2M over 3 = $1.73 per

David Booth (RFA) stays in Florida $25.5 over 6 = $4.25M per

Bunch of other minor junk: Garon to CBUS, Strudwick to EDM etc

bbor 07-01-2009 07:40 PM

SR i think Finger was 3.5...i may be wrong though.

bbor 07-01-2009 07:40 PM

Spacek to the Habs hurts the Sabres IMHO.

Suburban Rhythm 07-01-2009 07:40 PM

Dola

Just reading now Gionta to Montreal

So, when the Habs win the Cup, Gionta will sit on Gomez's shoulders, and Gomez on Cammalieri's shoulders...so that someone can hand the Cup to Hal Gill.

bbor 07-01-2009 07:43 PM

Jon....what's a Colin Stuart?

Suburban Rhythm 07-01-2009 07:43 PM

Is the Kovalev staying in Montreal thing false? I saw it earlier at work as $8.8 over 2, but was that simply rumor?

Dr. Sak 07-01-2009 07:43 PM

His agent came out saying that it wasnt true.

Suburban Rhythm 07-01-2009 07:56 PM

I don't understand the Rupp move at all for Pittsburgh-

Right now we have about 80 bottom 6 forwards, still need (at least) 1 top 6 wing and another D.

Adams, Dupuis, Staal, Kennedy, Cooke, Godard, Rupp, Talbot, Dustin Jeffrey ready in the AHL, plus about 5 other guys in the AHL who got 3rd and 4th line minutes last year.

My hope is Pascal Dupuis is being moved. He's a team guy, but he's on the 4th line and making $1.4M for the next two seasons. We can't afford that.

I really wanted Zanon, as I think Scuderi's gone, and the $1.7M price tag makes it even harder to take. Scuderi is getting probably $1M+ more than that a year.

EDIT - Zanon's deal is $5.8/3, not $5.2. So cap is $1.93 a year. Still could have fit under the Pens cap.

Suburban Rhythm 07-01-2009 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Suburban Rhythm (Post 2062866)
Dola

Just reading now Gionta to Montreal

So, when the Habs win the Cup, Gionta will sit on Gomez's shoulders, and Gomez on Cammalieri's shoulders...so that someone can hand the Cup to Hal Gill.


Gionta $25 over 5.

Habs add over $17M per year against the cap today.

Suburban Rhythm 07-01-2009 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by bbor (Post 2062865)
Spacek to the Habs hurts the Sabres IMHO.


Sabres got Steve Montador $3.1 over 2 years. Not going to replace Spacek's minutes, but I like Montador. Another guy I was holding out hope for in Pittsburgh if Scuderi can't be kept.

Suburban Rhythm 07-01-2009 08:10 PM

John Madden to Chicago 1 year $2.75M

Steve Sullivan stay in Nashville (how did Montreal miss this short dude?) 2 years $3.75M per

Chris Neil stays in Ottawa $8M over 4 years

General Mike 07-01-2009 08:52 PM

Have the Rangers had a good free agent signing in the last 15 years?

JonInMiddleGA 07-01-2009 08:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bbor (Post 2062870)
Jon....what's a Colin Stuart?


It's a journeyman (at best I guess) forward that finally made it to the NHL for 33 games last year after being drafted in 2001 (and finishing 4 years at Colorado College before turning pro in 2004). A speedy 6'2", 205 lefty, hasn't broken the 30 point barrier since 1999 in the USHL. Has a knack for scoring short-handed, all three of his five goals last year came that way. One of three pro hockey playing brothers (and a sister playing at BC) including Mark Stuart of the Bruins.

edit to amend: I guess I should say "roleplaying forward" instead of "journeyman forward"

Honolulu_Blue 07-01-2009 08:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Draft Dodger (Post 2062858)
Gaborik to the Rangers, 5 years, $5.75 million.

Think he regrets turning down 10 / 78 million from the Wild last fall?

EDIT: neverming, TSN had it wrong. it's $7.5 per.


Ah, the Rangers... They just never, ever learn, do they?

If Hossa can be had for $5.2 million, how can they justify Gaborik at $7.5?

Dr. Sak 07-01-2009 08:59 PM

Rangers...one step forward...two back.

Fidatelo 07-01-2009 09:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue (Post 2062902)
Ah, the Rangers... They just never, ever learn, do they?

If Hossa can be had for $5.2 million, how can they justify Gaborik at $7.5?


I can't say Gaborik is worth the money, but keep in mind that Hossa's deal is for 12 years rather than the more reasonable 5 that they gave Gaborik.

That said, what a crap signing. Damn you Sather.

Pumpy Tudors 07-01-2009 09:46 PM

So the Devils lose three forwards today... do they plan to bring any in at all? Or do you get past the top line and then it's just the Dainius Zubrus show? Can somebody just punch me in the mouth now and get it over with?

Dr. Sak 07-01-2009 09:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pumpy Tudors (Post 2062923)
So the Devils lose three forwards today... do they plan to bring any in at all? Or do you get past the top line and then it's just the Dainius Zubrus show? Can somebody just punch me in the mouth now and get it over with?


Stop over I'll do it for you. I'm not going to work tomorrow so anytime tonight is fine with me. Wear your Crosby mask and jersey.

Travis 07-01-2009 09:52 PM

TSN is reporting that Havlat has a verbal agreement with Minny.

So who complete's the sniper shuffle?

Hossa went to Chicago. Havlat is going to Minny. Gaborik went to the Rangers. Gomez went to Montreal, so maybe Kovalev signs on the cheap with Detroit to close the loop?


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