Wolves have more interest in worrying about their votes than villagers do If it has an effect on a known (to them) wolf otherwise, not so much.

But before we really know that that is lupine or villagerine, we need to know what the allegiances of day one targets are.

I meant they are worried about how their votes look.

Sorry about not being clear.

I completely agree with this. And with the mechanics of this game, going after a dangerous village has potential conversion value - there's lots of potential value to be had.

Well that is true regardless of when they vote.

I know when I was on hoops I really, really didn't want to be, I just didn't want to D1 Zinto for meta reasons. This is why I switched as soon as it made sense.

Has anyone thought about the fact that we may have had suspicious villagers voting (and possibly unvoting quickly) for Two Face during the day?

There might be a pattern there worth trying to tease out...

Narcizo's thinking at 678 is pretty much completely in line with what I'm thinking about where we are right now. We're still really firing blind right now.

My number one concern for the village is that we're going to wind up going down rabbit trails for several days. We're really just trying to play counter-espionage to the attempts of the deranged citizens to alert Two-Face to their identity. There are any number of things we all do or say in WW without thinking about it that could be used as a hint by a deranged citizen, or construed as a hint by Two-Face or by one of us.

This isn't going to be a case where there's a single glaring signal we're looking for - we have to be very open minded as to what the nature of a signal might be, and the people we think may or may not be giving those signals. With CR's idea from yesterday, for instance - I think it's a good thought, but I also don't think we can give any idea too much credence at this point.

Right now I think the village mostly needs to be biding its time while we accumulate seer scans. Personally, I don't think we have good enough data to press too hard for any individual at this point. Frankly, I don't like Danny pushing for Commo here - I haven't played with him before, but he seems like a player with some pretty good ideas, and I think running him off with another vocal player on D2 is using up a potentially value resource for very marginal benefit.

If it comes down to the two candidates we have, I will vote for CF. My preference would be to vote for a UTR who voted for a known good yesterday, though - this would have to be dzilla or mauboy.

This in general makes a lot of sense to me. I don't think voting for a villager yesterday necessarily damns someone, but it's all the information that we have thus far. In all fairness, you could also look at someone like me who had essentially a throw-away vote since I never made it back to move it.

*FLASHING LIGHTS*

HEY TWO FACE....PICK ME!!!!!

;)

Abe gets an A.

ffscd

whoops...phone post

Vote mauboy

Not thrilled with the people who have votes now, and not sure that I'll be around later tonight, so I want to make sure I get a vote in.

Oh crap...sorry guys, was working from home all day and totally forgot about this. I will get a vote in at some point tonight after I attempt to catch up

Been away from Internet all day and going to my brothers hockey game so I'll check back in after that

Have to catch a bus. Probably out past deadline.
My final thoughts.

I think this was already covered previously by...Chief? It's not necessarily a bad way to go about things, but it seems risky for the disturbed citizens to all unknowingly do it the first day?

Just catching up now -not really thrilled with the candidates right now, but don't have much to offer either. Will get a vote in later tonight.

Ok so it looks like its 4/3/1/1 (CF/Como/Zinto/Mau).

I'll throw a another vote on Mau.

Vote Mauboy

Oops gotta bold it.

Vote Mauboy

Did I miss the Mau reasons? Or just his post and run style?

I'll stand behind my pet theory. Got nothing better.

VOTE CRIMSON FOX

This is more about keeping the vote tight than anything else

Argh, I do not know what to make about the candidates. I am not going to vote for Crimson since I do not feel like he is a baddie. Commo is being himself as far as I can tell and I do not have a read on Mau at all.

As for commo I thunk ny instinct is to go counter to what he thinks

considering I was all for Hoops being a villager not sure that is the best choice without other reasoning.

As of 728
Day 2
CrimsonFox votes CrimsonFox (1) 591
CommoSoldier votes CrimsonFox (2) 615
NTN votes CrimsonFox (3) 644
Lathum votes CrimsonFox (4) 661
Danny votes CommoSoldier (1) 664
Narcizo votes CommoSoldier (2) 669
SnDvls votes Zinto (1) 674
McKerney votes CommoSoldier (3) 689
J23 votes Mauboy (1) 713
Dzilla votes Mauboy (2) 721
CheifRum votes CrimsonFox (5) 723
NTN unvotes CrimsonFox (4) 724
NTN votes Mauboy (3) 724


4 – CrimsonFox – CrimsonFox, CommoSoldier, Lathum, ChiefRum
3 – CommoSoldier – Danny, Narcizo, McKerney
3 – Mauboy – J23, Dzilla, NTN
1 – Zinto – SnDvls

No Vote: PackerFanatic, Zinto, Mauboy, MrBug, Jackal, Saldana, Tyrith, DaddyTorgo

I am going to vote Mau just because I like him as a candidate more than Commo and Crimson at this point.

Vote Mau

I must say I like at least one other am skeptical of people not voting yet, making this something that gets decided late which hurt us big yesterday.

Vote - CF

He's been weird, almost too weird

Does this mean I can be in the Commo circle of trust finally?

I have this bad feeling I'm getting lynched tomorrow due to math.

VOTE MAUBOY1

Does it keep counting every time I vote it?

Why commo, Danny?

I'm leaning mau over both the others I think

I should be home to check on things before deadline, phone posting sucks

Welp I am not a fan of this run on Mau so....


Unvote Mau
Vote Commo

I would like to hear from Mau though since I do not think he has posted since he got voted for.

Gl getting an answer. Best I could tell after asking is I didn't vote abe or zinto yesterday, when I voted and stayed on zinto. I think today might be better if it were danny in the running.

I'm off to NBDA, will keep checking but limited access

There are either going to be a lot of posters not voting or a lot of fluctuations in this last hour and twenty

NBDA? National Black Deafs Association?

crimson has been a little bit too off for me...if you want to call it acting deranged, perhaps... i was happy with my vote for him yesterday, and see no reason to change it today

vote Crimsonfox

national beer drinkers association

I am not really a fan of how these two days have played out. It is not really in the villages best interest to not vote the entire day especially in this number.

Ah, gotcha. Is it a club?

There is a dive bar over here called "Drinkers Hall of Shame"

crimsonfox - crimsonfox, commo_soldier, lathum, chief rum, mrbug708, saldana
commo_soldier - danny, Narcizo, mckerney, zinto
zinto - sndvls
Mauboy - J23, dzilla77, ntndeacon, tyrith, the jackal

Even without taking into consideration what we lost day and night one I agree with you. Two Face probably wasn't up on the block so it's tough to take too much from the day one vote right now. We seem to be trying to do that with CF when he hasn't played out the early days much different from what I've seem from him before. Him taking an early lead is probably giving the Disturbed a chance to go anywhere and make sure to not give us anything to go on. That would make the first couple days difficult to gain anything from, and could let them set up false trails for us to chase if we do catch one.

I guess I understand going after CF if you think he's a Disturbed (though I don't believe he is), but I think we're better off hoping we could hit on Two Face early which probably means not looking at those involved in yesterday's tie.

I am not going to vote for Mau unless he come back even though I like him more then Crimson as a candidate. We can not afford him being a rolled villager and with what happened yesterday I do not want to risk it.

Yeah, this is a valid point. Although a wolf at this point could just say nothing and see if we move off.

just want to point out to people looking at the vote totals and not necessarily the vote posts, Crimson still has his vote on himself, which i really dont understand.

Forgot to mention I had a 6 hr drive to a meeting today and then a 2 hr meeting. Here now momentarily.

Very true and also weird. He also said he was not coming back today I am fairly certain.

He is here now

Such a quiet day we have had.

I know I was waiting for him to post anything relevant to the game or place a vote but neither happened.

Well I am not sure what to do here. Commo is a throw away vote and I got nothing out of Mau.

Has Mau been on at all today? It seems we have two lynch candidates both of whom are not interested in the lynch.

Nope other then his last post I do not think he has said anything else today.

Well, can we lynch both of them today then?

I am not sure if backwards unvoting works Crimson

Maybe if the coin lands on its side.

if i vote backwards, it will work

xof nosmirc etov

Well looks like I am moving back onto Mau.

Unvote Crimson
Vote Mau

And by unvote Crimson I mean

Unvote Commo
Vote Mau

I am keeping it close and I really don't understand his over the top behavior continuing. It's not particularly helpful today.

FWIW, technically the vote was 7-6 Mau when I switched, but really it was 8-5 Mau as I would expect Crimson to switch.

Count?

Self defense momentarily.

vote cf

I believe that makes it 8 Crimson, 7 Mau, though Crimson is currently voting himself, so its probably 8 mau, 7 crimson.

i dont get it either. also wondering why the change by zinto?

So it is now 8 for mauboy, 7 for crimson.

Would you prefer my vote to stay on Commo?

Well it's my fault for being gone all day. I am Dawes. The first two scans were done are random for me. N0 scan was lathum and he came back as non supervillian and n1 was zinto who also came back as not a supervillian.

Sorry guys I wasn't able to be more active to avoid having to reveal.

I think it is because you accidentally posted unvote crimson

Ugg, you weren't the leading vote getter.

Yeah that was a tough reveal, but who knows who would've come in here in the last 6 minutes and voted for mau that was on an outlier, I guess.

FWIW though, there is no risk in a corrupted citizen fake revealing, in all cases they might as well.

We have a cop still, and two-face will have to decide if he wants to risk that attack or wants to scramble for disturbed.

Not sure I buy the reveal actually.

Also true. I'm buying it for now, but at worst it gives us a disturbed/wolf down the line.

If he is a corrupted citizen, fake revealing gets him targeted for a night kill. I almost say we lynch him as we only get one more scan at best anyway and the likelihood of finding two face is very poor.

Interesting. Don't know if it's a risk we want to take right now, is it?

Actually wait, two face can't kill dawes, so that changes my thinking.

Yeah, definitely the best role for a corrupt to reveal, we don't want to take care of Dawes ourselves. And there's no other supervillains yet, so let's just keep the reveal in mind.

Anyone else with thoughts?

yes danny I do

Well, I'm hoping CF was playing his usual out there self hoping that he actually could pull-off straight telling two-face who he was, and thinking we'd all just think he was being CF. Which isn't a terrible play in his situation, I think.

We will likely get no benefit from Mau if he is really the seer cause as soon as someone is converted, he is dead. His only possible contribution seems like a small chance to scan two face. I am surprised you scanned Zinto yesterday though.