Unvote PB
Vote Telle
if this gets folks off me iam all for it

Deadline is in two minutes

Not what post that is as of..606. We're at 696. I think PB has one more than ntn, but PB can vote ntn.

oh, man -- so how many votes are on telle now?

ntn, I'm staying if you're staying.

Leave it in a tie, lets see what the mechanic is :)

Or see if anyone tries to save anyone

I think I haven't been around enough in the past couple hours to warrant a late vote switch here, unless someone has an amazing reason why one of the others is a better candidate.

So yeah, I'm sticking with it.

Nevermind, ntn moved his vote.

unvote telle
vote ntn

sorry I thought that was an accurate vote

[v]unvoter PB

vote ntn[/b]

5-5 tie between EF and ntn now with that vote by ntn

I don't have a read on EF and that pushed it.

God damint I hate it when I don't have my vote spreadsheet here.

EF, this is your chance to f*** me over if you're bad.

Well with PB's vote, ntn gets lynched. No vote from DT though or did I just miss it?

I think all the wolves are on me

Didn't like ntn's last minute attempted surprise there.

starting with PB

+1 which is what won me out. I NOW believe in my vote.

I will begin processing the results.

I was trying to survive

doesn't everyone?

Good Luck therapy goers

Which is why I caught myself short of the same accusation.

Oh missed PB's switch, will update

NO, PB on ntn at the end and EF on there as well.

No.

Wow, lots of movement. I've got to get my son to bed then will catch up.

Danny Unfortunately PB voted for me at the end

Yeah I caught that and posted that I fixed it.

Did EF's non-bolded (seems due to bad tags?) at 8:00PM on the nose count? If not, for which reason (non-bold, time, both, neither) ... would like to know for future reference.

I think it should count. If I was GM I would count it atleast.

NM, looks like it was counted. So we won't learn tie mechanic here, but that more or less eliminates the "oops, I goofed up my vote switch!" excuse for later.

4-0 and a lolodore sighting :)

Huh? Seemed self defense to me. I'm not sure what you are getting at here.

Whatever way breaks right for the villagers is the way I want it to go :) But seriously, the earlier vote count didn't show it so I wanted to make sure I understood the moderator ruling on that vote.

On ESPN 1000 today I heard them saying that there were tickets going for as much as $12k second-hand market today. I would be really pissed right now if I were a Caps fan and paid that.

I was a little late to the party, but I thought the switch was by EF to break tie between PB and NTN. Which would not be self-defense.

I'll go back and double-check this now.

It was a frantically typed vote after I saw ntn's late switch. I didn't repost it when I saw the time of that post and that I had screwed up the formatting. I'm fine with whatever the decision is.

Oops, Dubb you had it right.

Definitely self defense when you see someone switch to you late and you have no idea what the vote count is at that point.

Well, no role reveal from any of the players down the stretch other than PB saying "not a big role here". I'm hoping that is a good sign.

I had a feeling that Moyer should have retired on a high note after the Series...

****, sorry ntn and village, that's a better role than me.

Good grief. I guess the no role reveal was not a good sign.

On the bright side it was not a major role and actually one that had more of a chance to hurt us than help us.

i dont get it... thatsa not such a powerful role....

+1

Ah my mistake, I was thinking that was the version of the bodyguard, but I see it's not. Well, that voting record might still prove useful.

It basically serves as a back-up to the bodyguard though.

Well, hopefully there was a wolf near the top of the votes today rather than just a bunch of churning.

body guard wont block a seer scan....

Even if there was, what would that tell us?

i was gonna say the same thing... but I got lazy :D

My only thoughts at this point is that I hope either myself or one of the other ntn voters is the recipient of a scan.

1.) A wolf near the top of the votes is more likely to be selected for a scan tonight
2.) If there was a wolf in the top three players at the end then the wolves likely would have had to exert some energy to save him

I'm still very keen on the idea of seeing EF as the scan for tonight. But since I don't get to call that shot it probably doesn't matter all that much.

Right. I guess I was looking for something more specific about #2, and what that means for us. I'm not sure if anything's there right now, but maybe I'll be able to take a better look tomorrow.

ugh - i forgot that deadline was 8 and didn't realize what time it was

at least it was just d1

Good thing the deadline hadn't stayed at 6 ;-)

Hmmph.

Hi.

I'm lonesome.

Creepy quiet.

d1 - not sure how much analysis there can be at this point

I just posted more than I did in the last game.

What would you like to discuss?

In games where there's a split between the lynch deadline and night deadline I feel like not a lot of talking gets done, both because of wolves plotting and because it's usually late at night and most people are on their way to bed.

I think I'm on my way to bed on that note.

I was noticing that in the Office Space game and the last couple games it has jumped out at me.

I like running a split deadline but I think the next game I run will only have an hour in between. That way by the time the write up is done those with night actions still have time to submit and the initial wave of reaction to the day results has died down just in time for the night result.

I'm not sure how much there is to discuss at this point. Can't talk about a role if it is not one of the public ones. Don't want to give away any kind of meaningful information about a private role.

I put down who I would like to see the seer scan (EF). I'm guessing the BG would stay home tonight, although I'm not sure that is an option from the description. I'm guessing that the Duke is a daytime role. And I think that covers the public roles.

I'm not sure how to put today's vote into context at the moment. I'm hopeful that we'll have an opportunity later in the game to do so.

Agreed

I just keep waiting to hear that a train is getting close, or see someone dragged away in handcuffs every time I see Abe has posted in the thread... )

You get used to it ;)

I would have given Abe the role of "Bull Moose Special."

12 minutes until night deadline

I am beginning to process night results.

In time for the night results.

Sucks about ntn. I am hoping we get a good scan tonight, not that I recommend the seer come out this soon, though. I am not sure even a wolf scan at this point has as much value so early. I am greedy, and would like to see the seer attempt to scan for another wolf or two, or get some information on the wolf with the wolf not knowing he's outed.

Incidentally, with respect to my theory before, ntn turning out to be a villager validates a portion of one of the theory's basic tenets (both ntn and EF would have to be villagers).

At least one person is here for the results.

Interesting. I hope that's a good thing.

well that was quick

OK, so no kill.

Does that mean maybe the criticize every other night and kill every other night or was there something else in play?

I don't see anything about conversions in the rules, and I doubt a BG is going to reveal unless they caught something, so I donno.

Since I am not Abe, the criticize is a listed wolf ability of a specific wolf. It does not have anything to do with the night kill.

So someone criticized EF, odd choice. Worried about where he'd put his vote? Could be a move to gain trust for a wolf, so it doesn't really elevate him into any trust category for me.

ok, so maybe we were lucky enough to get a block. nice.

Danny, can the wolves criticize their own?

Those wolf roles are independent of one another, right? So the Emphathizer (or whatever, the wolf Sympathizer seeker) can do his thing, while another wolf kills?

Just trying to determine if a no kill is a BG block, or an indication the wolves didn't try to use a kill tonight. Also, if they find the Sympathizer, does that result in a conversion? I don't recall if the first page said.

The wolves choose to send someone in for the kill. The roles listed are specific wolf roles and does not have any bearing on a night kill or not. There may or may not be other mechanics in play though since there are many unlisted roles.