Georgia beats Florida for their first SEC win of the season, dropping the Gators to fourth in the SEC East behind the tied trio of Kentucky, Tennessee, and South Carolina. Anybody have that outcome in their pre-season pool?
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Thanks to Arizona knocking off UCLA, Washington now has a 1.5 game lead in the Pac-10. I'm not sure if they'll be able to hang on, what with games remaining against the SoCal and Arizona schools and WSU, but they've got some cushion now. Would've been even better if Stanford hadn't collapsed in the 2nd half today and lost to Cal, but it was more important for the Bruins to lose. |
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LSU beat a pesky Ole Miss team to improve to 9-1 in the SEC, 21-4 overall. Hopefully a few more NCAA writers/coaches pay attention to non-top 25 box scores and standings this week so the Tigers can get ranked.
Tasmin Mitchell is finally shining like the future all-star he was billed to be out of HS. |
With apologies to Digamma and JIMGA, it's nice to know that we're not the worst team in the ACC this year. However, the degree of difficulty gets exponentially harder in the next game as State pays Carolina a visit on Wednesday.
With that being said: Go to Hell, Carolina! Go State! :D |
Blake Griffin was a beast yesterday against Texas Tech. He scored 40 points and pulled down 23 rebounds (third time that has happened in school history) as the Sooners cruised to 95-74 win. That win keeps them at 2 games up in the Big XII with just 5 games to go!
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God love Ben Howland and what he's done for UCLA. But man needs to change things up once in a great half decade.
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How do you figure? If we both win our games this week and then we beat you next Monday (and I don't think we have a great shot as we don't really have a way to stop or even contain Griffin)- we would effectively be in 1st place at 12-1 with you guys at 12-1 but we'd have the tiebreaker. SI |
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Sorry, they have 1.5 game lead according to the standings. Kansas (as well as Mizzou and Texas) has as a good of a shot of beating OU as any elite team in the nation. OU is far from invincible. |
Virginia, winless in their last 8 games, beats Clemson 85-81 in OT.
Yesterday, Maryland beat Virginia Tech, muddying up the middle of the ACC, as there are now 6 teams that are either 6-4, 6-5, or 5-5 in conference play. Maryland and Va Tech are both on the bubble, but IMO all this game did was make it more likely that neither get in. Bad loss for Va Tech,and Maryland's next 3 games are vs Clemson, UNC,and Duke. |
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Dola - I'm just happy UW's rise and UCLA's "dip" is happening now with top C prospect Josh Smith figuring out where he wants to go. The timing of both couldn't be any better for the UW...
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Don't forget that they also lost two players who were picked in the top 5 of the draft. My expectations for my team are as high as anyone else's on this board. Any season that doesn't include either an ACC Tournament Championship or a Final Four bid are failed seasons. But the UCLA perspective is a truly unique one :) Its fun to watch for sure :D |
Huge win for Boston College over Duke. This moves them to 7-5 in the ACC and 19-8 overall. Their RPI isn't great and they have some bad losses(Harvard...) but now have wins over UNC and Duke to help them out. 9-7 in conference play would probably give them a pretty good shot at getting into the tournament.
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They've lost 4 of their last 6,yeah. Those losses are at Wake Forest, at Clemson,vs UNC, and at Boston College, so it may not be as terrible as it looks. Their final 5 ACC games are going to be challenging though, so there is the potential for a little freefall before the tournament. vs Wake at Maryland at Virginia Tech vs Florida State at UNC |
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UNC survives in Miami. Miami held UNC to a season low 29 points in the first half. UNC ran out to a 54-40 lead midway through the 2nd half but Jack McClinton decided to take over the game and all of a sudden its 58-57 with 4:30 to go. UNC did a good job hanging on for the win.
This is an especially big win with Duke and Clemson both losing today UNC is 9-2 in ACC play, Duke is 7-4 and 3 others are 6-4. UNC has a much easier schedule down the stretch than Duke as well, setting things up very favorably to win the ACC regular season and get a #1 seed. |
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It's definitely turning into a regular rugby scrum in the standings right now. There was a brief opening for other teams to jump on Carolina when they stumbled out of the league gate, but that ship's long since sailed now with Carolina generally managing their schedule while everyone else beats each other down. Given how things are shaking out, I think the ACC will be looking at 6 or 7 bids. Duke, Carolina, Wake, and Clemson are pretty much all locks at this point. I think FSU's done enough to get in and so has BC (Duke and Carolina, the latter on the road, should be enough to overcome the Harvard loss). However, VT and Miami are both playing their way out at the moment. I think one of the two might make it, but not both. |
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That sounds about right to me. Miami is in huge trouble now, having lost 5 of 6, those losses at the beginning of the run to Va Tech, NC State, and Maryland are really hurting them. If they can finish 4-1 to end up 8-8, not unreasonable given their schedule, and win a game in the ACC Tournament then they have a chance. Virginia Tech has the advantage of being 6-4 in conference play but they have a nightmare of a schedule. at UVA, vs FSU, at Clemson, vs Duke, vs UNC, at FSU... ouch. if they can manage to finish 3-3 in that stretch they deserve to be in. Actually, given Va Tech and Maryland's schedules the rest of the way, and the hole Miami has dug, I would put my money on 6 bids right now,but would be happy to see one of those teams somehow play their way in. NC State is playing a lot better lately, even in their losses. I can't imagine them having a shot at getting in the tournament, but they're not an easy win for anyone anymore. If the game this Saturday was in Raleigh I'd be quite concerned. |
USC vs. Arizona State right now on CSN. The game features two stars. The raw Demar DeRozan, and the NBA-ready James Harden.
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Very excited to see Mizzou crack the top 10 this week. The poll also shows just how embarrassingly bias the coaches rankings are. Duke at #9 after losing four of their last 6? Anyone outside of the top 5-6 marquee schools would have plummeted in the rankings after that brutal run of basketball, which included a 27 point drubbing on the road.
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yeah the coaches rankings are embarassingly biased. no doubt!
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UCLA deservedly fall to #18 in the coaches poll, and we'll fall further than that in the AP poll, when it comes out.
It's retribution time. Was UCLA jobbed in the ASU game? Yes, a bit. Would that have won them the game? No, it just would have improved their chances. So either way, that game's at best a toss up. And then Collison and Howland both mentioned in post game interviews that the calls in the ASU game, they think, did affect the team going into Saturday's game to U of A, which led to the flat first half that got them down by 20. Sorry, you can't go into McHale with that attitude and facing a team with at least 2 likely lotto picks and expect to win. UCLA needed this gut check, and hopefully they will come out better for it. But I have my doubts right now that this team has the makeup to get past this. Collison is a very good player, but he doesn't seem to inspire the team like Farmar and Afflalo and Luc Richard did in the past. And the team continues to struggle with some of the ways Howland does things, like (again) the awful way he runs an offense at times, and his lack of trust in freshmen. Also, the team just isn't consistent with the effort. So Thursday against UW is a huge game for UCLA. Howland will set it up to be a "Game of the Season". If--and it's a huge if, because this team of all teams has shown an inability to rise to this occasion and take that next step--this team listens to Howland and really shows up Thursday, first place or no, the Dawgs are going to get a hurting Thursday night. Especially since UCLA will be in it for revenge, on top of just flat needing the win. Pauley is likely to be hopping mad, too. I am looking forward to a good game. |
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They're still #5 in the RPI, so the coaches poll is actually harsher than their "real" ranking (for purposes of tournament seeding). I saw this phenomenon with Syracuse over the last few weeks - they lost 6 out of 8, and actually rose in the RPI over that time, because they faced 5 of the top 15 teams. |
Not that I agree with MBBF that much, but these coaches rankings are pretty useless.
Marquette ahead of Villanova after Nova' destroyed them by 19 points last week? Weak. |
Then the AP poll must be equally embarrassing because Duke is No. 9 there too. Taken in context -- at No. 8, at No. 13, vs. No. 3 -- it's not that big of a deal. The case could be easily made they deserve to be in the mid teens so they may be a little overranked, but this isn't football -- the voters are putting them where they think they belong, not just based solely on who won and lost last week.
I knew Missouri would jump up a couple of spots but didn't expect 10 in coaches and 11 in AP. Little nervous about that because I'm not sure how this team will react. The Tigers get their bye this week then its at Colorado, vs. K-State at KU and vs. OU. I will gladly take 2-2 at that stretch and I'm popping champagne at 3-1. 4-0 and we'll be writhing on the floor in ecstacy. |
Uconn down 12-6 when Thabeet comes back from injury..see how long it takes them to come back (probably not very long)
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Pitt and UConn both look really good. They are both very impressive in half-court defensives sets.
I hate Duke as much as the next guy, but looking over other teams' resumes, Duke is pretty well in the range that they belong in as far as I can tell. |
If DeJuan Blair was about 2 inches taller he'd be a lottery pick.
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Jesus, UConn and Pitt are having a hockey game right now.
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What the hell was Levance Fields doing there after that offensive board?
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I wonder if Arizona will make a play for Jaime Dixon after this season.
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While I can appreciate your argument about the name and how it used to be, but they havent done anything in how many years? They dont exactly have the kids on the team now, so its a rebuild job, and on top of that take a look at the adminisration. They run out the guy they had picked to replace Lute, because Lute comes back and feels threatened. On that alone that makes it a tough job to land a big name as it can look unstable. If Dixon leaves a top program for that situation in my opinion he would be an idiot. |
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Uh, they extended his contract a few years ago when Arizona State made a play for him so idk how they have a history of not doing it. I think (hope) Jamie stays at Pitt for awhile...he's got the most consistent Big East team the last 8 years and he's bringing in his best recruiting class by far since he's been coach. I think he stays. |
I think Pitt is one of those situations that it would make sense for him to stick around at least for a few more years yet. Stepping in to another big name school is not neccessarily always the wisest move for a coach, because often it takes a year or so to get the players you need for your system, and success is expected straight away. Don't win, and you may be out of the job and off to a mid-major to work your way back up to the top again.
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Pitt's already a major player in the conference. 8 straight years of 20+ wins and 10+ conference wins. Now he has to make Pitt a player in the NCAA's...never been past the sweet 16, although that's got to change this year I hope. |
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They also have allowed their past two ADs to leave over money (to Arkansas and Nebraska--although Pederson came back after being fired), allowed Howland to leave, let football coach Walt Harris leave for Stanford, let Johnny Majors leave for Tennessee, and let Jackie Sherrill leave for Texas A&M. You can argue that all of those guys had their reasons for leaving, but over the past 30-years, Pitt has certainly let alot of talent leave for other teams. Dixon is from California and previously lived in Arizona. He just signed an extension for somewhere between $1.5M-1.6M per year (through '16) and will become the all-time winningest head coach through the first 6-years of a career. He may feel loyalty towards Pitt for giving him a chance, but if you look at some of the coin going around these days, it wouldn't surprise me to see him get an offer for over $2M this offseason. That would be pretty hard to turn down if it gets him closer to home and to a, historically, more prestigious school. |
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Is it any worse than the situation that Tom Crean left Marquette for when he came to Indiana? I think there are a handful of schools (UNC, Kansas, Kentucky, UCLA, Indiana) that, when they call, you listen whether you are happy at your job or not. I think schools like Arizona, UConn, Syracuse, and Duke are either on that list or on the cusp of being on that list due to the amount of success, over a great number of years, that Olson, Calhoun, Boeheim, and Coach K. have recently had. Just my opinion, but if one of those schools are sniffing around my team's coach, I'm pretty nervous. |
If I'm Arizona, I make a big play for Mark Few at the end of the year. It appears as though Ernie Kent will survive this season at Oregon despite what a disaster it's been, so now is probably going to be the best time to tempt Few. If Oregon cans Kent, then they would be considered front-runners to lure Few away from Gonzaga.
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Major and Sherril are good ones that left that werent shown the door. Pederson had a problem with the way his football coach in Harris was being treated saw the writing on the door and bolted to Nebraska and a bigger budget, and Harris was then let go. Howland left to go back home to UCLA, and no matter what Pitt did they werent gonna stop that one. (Ucla and Arizona are apples and oranges) Going from 1.5 mil to 2.5 mil isnt nearly enough coin to jump ship to Arizona to clean up the mess * i know you said over 2 mil, im just having fun with this conversation*. That only starts the convo if you think Arizona has a better reputation going for them now than Pitt, which I dont. Dixon has the number 15 rated class in the country coming in for next year which has already been pointed out is his best ever and he sits atop the big east. On top of this, you have to talk about Maggie Dixon and all the funds both the Big East, Pitt, and stuff they do at MSG for the Maggie Dixon Classic for cancer research. Moving West goes the opposite way of NY and Army which is where she coached and as close as they both were to each other that would also play in him moving somewhere. |
Few would be another great choice.
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No its not even close to the Indiana situation, which was way worse, but Indiana and Arizona arent on the same level which is where we disagree. Even with who has been at Indiana they were able to land top classes because Indiana can recruit itself. Without Lute at the helm and lets be honest, even with him there in his later years they werent landing top classes. As you pointed out with your list of schools, you have Arizona on the cusp, and I dont. Arizona doesnt recruit itself like the others do, and the past how many years is proof of that. |
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It is amazing where Few could have landed but choose to stay. You think this might be the year he bolts since its not his usual kick ass year? |
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Your right I forgot about that. Thanks for the correction :) |
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No one's said the real reason this won't happen. Howland. Dixon and Howland are best of friends. They can't stand playing each other. When they met in the NCAAs two years ago, it was grating for both of them to have to play each other. No way they decide to play in the same conference, forcing them to play each other at least twice and maybe three times per season. |
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I'd think it quite likely. Both in terms of how they've played this year, and the fact that St. Mary's (pre-Mills injury, anyhow) are beginning to nip at their heels now. The losses of Pargo and Heytvelt will be big, too, and I think next year they'll need to bank on Daye really taking that next big step and, from watching him this year, I'm not so sure he has it in him. Few does have a top-100 swingman coming in, but I still have a strong feeling that he'll be elsewhere after this year. |
I don't disagree that some or all of Pitt's defections have had reasons, personal or not, for leaving. But the fact remains that essentially all of their successful coaches have left for other college jobs over the past 30-years. I think it is because athletics are not a top priority (or have not always been a priority) and they do not have a competitive AD budget, which is fine, as its priority is maintaining itself as a top notch academic school.
Maybe Dixon wants to be Pitt's Lute Olson or Jim Calhoun, but I wouldn't be surprised if he receives the full-court press from Arizona this off season. And, I don't think his current recruiting class or the current state of Arizona's basketball program will deter him. Either way, whether he stays or goes, he is due to receive a big payday this offseason when you consider his age and how ridiculous his record has been in his first six-years on the job (in the Big East, no less). |
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I have heard this before and think it is ridiculous, whether it is true or not. I cannot imagine anyone denying themselves the opportunity to pursue success in their field AND limit their (and their family's) income opportunities because it is THAT difficult to face a friend. And, I cannot imagine it would be any more stressful than playing for a conference championship or in the Final Four. Again, I have heard it said, so I know you aren't pulling it out of your ass. But, I see those types of statements made purely out of respect for one another rather than them being legitimate factors in career choices. |
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Well, I think if an opportunity came up that truly was a step up for Dixon, that that this consideration would not stop it. The thing is, I think there is only one program in the West that is a clear step up from what Dixon is doing right now at Pitt, and that is UCLA. Obviously, then, there can be no conflict, for for Dixon to go to UCLA (and I am pretty sure he is on their shortlist if Howland were to leave), Howland would have to leave. Arizona is tricky. I don't know that they will pay enough to lure him. Lute was AZ's draw. They were nothing before he came around. So that would be rolling a lot of dice to give AZ a run when he already has a very good job in one of the country's top conferences. If there was a major non-Pac 10 conference out West with a superpower of some sort, I could see it drawing him, regardless of what it would mean between him and Howland. But no Pac 10 program that doesn't already have Howland as a coach is enough to draw him over against his objections to having to play his friend 2-3 times per year. |
It's never a good thing to follow a legend. That being said, you should see the wishlist over at the Arizona sites. And they are dead serious about this interest (according to posters over there)
Izzo, Cal, Pitino, Donovan - Top List Back up - Few, Dixon Longshots - Sean Miller, Tubby Smith And Chief, I think the playing Howland 2-3 times a year has been overplayed. Sure it might be a concern, but if he wants to come out West, it won't be an issue. No other job is worth coming out here if you are Dixon. That also being said, Arizona is going to be epically bad next year. I doubt the new coach can convince both Chase and Hill to come back for another season |
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Just giving the sentiment from on campus ;) Now, if this team doesn't make it past the sweet 16 then there will be even more disappointment about it. The other Pitt team's during this 8 year run were solid, but never really were favored in the sweet 16 matchups. This year will be much different as a 1 or, worst case a 2 seed. |
I never thought I'd see the day when Swaggs was defending Pitt. You sir are a traitor and are no longer welcome in my house.
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I can certainly see that opinion coming from a college student point-of-view. As you get older, you quickly realize that the years that you thought were 'failures' were actually great years. It just takes a downturn of a few years for you to quickly realize as a fan that you'd give anything to have the program back that you used to criticize as not being good enough. Take it from a Mizzou fan who took the regular tourney appearances under Norm Stewart for granted. I'm glad that Mizzou is back in the hunt now, but the previous 4 years have been very tough as a fan. |
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I got my Masters Degree from there only because it was free. I won't even display that diploma because it says University of Pittsburgh. |
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Delusional is what comes to mind when reading that. I dont see any of those top 6 that were listed as being interested. Sean Miller and Tubby Smith are interesting though. Tubby has turned the Minnesota team around and has a very very nice class coming in next year. Minnesota isnt exactly known for stuff though, and Miller is a fantastic coach. While Xavier is ranked and can bring in kids would Zona be a step up? Im not sure but those 2 for me at least are interesting. Anyone else got any opinions on those last 2? |
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Cant hate a PSU diehard for that can I? |
I dunno Muns, I think Few would listen hard to an offer from Arizona.
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I think you are right here. Due to his team not having a typical season, and the fact that he has turned down more than his fair share of opportunities. Might be the perfect time to bolt. He made a winner of of the Zags, he certianly is capable of doing the same in Arizona. |
Few has been a sought-after guy for a number of years now. I know he was considered for the Kansas job after Roy Williams went to UNC. Pretty sure Bill Self was the first one to receive the offer, but I know they looked at Few.
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Damn... you outted yourself before I had the chance? I cannot believe you would admit to having a degree from Pitt. |
Yeah, kind of hard to take any hate seriously when you..uh..went to school there.
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It was not by choice...it was free. I wasn't going to tell my work, "No I don't want you to pay for my $25,000 a year masters because I hate Pitt." |
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Your a dick!!! PS before people start into me Sak and I went to HS together and he is a great guy that I cant speak enough for, (i just like trying to ruffle his feathers a bit) |
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I'm pretty happy with how that one turned out (tho I think Few would do a very good job at a large school, too) :) SI |
Sean Miller took his name out of the ring of some high-profile jobs at the end of last season... would be surprised to see him go anywhere for a while.
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Yeah, you can thank Mike Alden for that coaching hire. As you likely know, he had Quin Snyder and Bill Self at a hotel in KC for interviews. Both wanted the Mizzou job and Alden chose to offer the job to Quin. The rest of the story speaks for itself. |
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Xavier would be okay. They seem to have an endless supply of guys that can take them to the Sweet Sixteen. |
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Yes. And for a Dayton fan, that's frustrating as hell. |
FYI to Mizzou fans on the board. Sports Illustrated is in Columbia today and will have an article this week on the reemergence of the program.
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I've heard rumors Alabama is talking about going after Mike Anderson.. any truth you've heard? |
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VERY doubtful. Wife is reportedly very happy in Columbia. They moved here so they could be closer to family and friends who live in Oklahoma and Arkansas. When asked on Tiger Talk the other night about the Alabama job, he responded, "If Momma's happy, then I'm happy. Right now, Momma's very happy in Columbia." Knowing how strong of a personality his wife is, that statement speaks volumes. I have heard that Alabama is trying to coax in Calipari, but Memphis is ready to buck up for another extension and pay raise if they have to do so to keep him there. |
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Well.. that's great news. I'm still shocked at the year we are having.. I attribute most to coaching. |
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Understood. I would have made the same decision. I'm just surprised that didn't melt away any of the "hate". |
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I grew up in a Penn State household in the late 70s and 80s where the rivalry was strong. |
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...also, you have a giant crush on Wannstache. |
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Penn State beats Illinois 38-33...what an ugly game.
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Did they agree to not use the shot clock? |
Illinois didn't go to the line the entire game.
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How many TD's for Juice Williams?
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Funny thing is Penn State scored 38 points in the football game against illinois this season...38-24
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As a Mizzou fan, you see a result like that Illinois game and curse your luck that the one night you played them, one of their guards was suddenly unconscious from deep. Just baffling.
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Well, I think it goes a little deeper than that. The Illini have the look of a team that peaked too early. They are not all that talented this season, and it sure seems like the rest of the Big Ten has caught up to them in terms of figuring out how to defend this group of players.
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UCLA got a key and needed win tonight. It did not happen easily. Most of the game, I thought UCLA was the better team on the floor tonight, but UDub showed their chops and stuck with it, and made some good runs, including tying it twice late.
Very relieved to get the win in a game that could have gone either way for most of the night. One thing is for sure (not that I doubted this, since I knew going into this season that the Huskies had a chance to be good this year), but UDub is good. Brockman's just a beast underneath (can't wait for him to graduate, why the hell didn't he go pro two years ago?!? Better than Hansbrough and Harangody, IMO), Dentmon never seems to be able to be stopped and is a great shooter with range, and the team just has a lot of nice players that contribute in various ways. |
Closer game than I expected, but once again the UW fails to come through in Pauley Pavilion. UW is now just .5 games ahead of UCLA, ASU & Cal.
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So, I've been watching Butler/Davidson on ESPN. They keep talking about how if Butler doesn't win their conference tourney, they're not an at large team. What? A team in the top 25 with a top 25 RPI wouldn't be in? Realistically, a loss drops them to ~30ish with a 30~35 RPI, so please tell me these announcers are just idiots.
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I can't stand this UCLA team. It's just a maddening team to root for. I can't count on anything from these guys. I mean, should have/could have beaten ASU last week (but for the refs), and then they mail it in the first half versus Arizona. They come back and get a huge win against UDub, and right now, they're going to have to go thru contortions in the final minute or so to come back on Wazzu...at home!
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And the Bruins do indeed fall, and to a team that outplayed them, if not out-talented them. Taylor Rochestie basically had the game of his life.
I'll give UCLA kudos for really hitting its shots and making it close in the end (final score 82-81 with UCLA's desperation half court shot blocked)--they really just ran out of time. But that's why it's so critically important to start making these plays earlier in the game, to show up from the start, so you don't have to go through this stuff. And not to harp on it, but the refs again played a role. There was a WSU turnover (shouldabeena) along the left side of the court, and somehow the refs gave it back to Wazzu. No one from UCLA even touched the ball in that whole play, Wazzu lost the ball out of bounds, and somehow, the ball went back to Wazzu. But, really, this comes down to UCLA not wanting it again, not wanting it enough. Like I said before, very frustrating team to follow. |
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