Awesome.

:popcorn:

I'll count the unvote:


9 - DaddyTorgo - Lathum (339), LoneStarGirl (538), PackerFanatic (556), mccollins (605), claphamsa (946), SnDvls (659), Mrs. Schmidty (676), Alan T (686), saldana (691)
6 - Lathum - DaddyTorgo (250), KWhit (278), Barkeep (283), RendeR (294), Danny (431), Telle (650)
1 - Mrs. Schmidty - EagleFan (362)
1 - EagleFan - Schmidty (394)
1 - OlieGirl - Passacaglia (270)
1 - saldana - Chief Rum (594)


no vote: GoldenEagle, oliegirl

I'm assuming you meant to vote for DaddyTorgo here.. and my calling you out last game wasn't really a mistake.. but that's a conversation for another time :)

olie - i got you confused with LSG....my bad. same XX chromosomes

It's ok.. she doesn't have much room to talk since she got you confused with Hoopsguy


:popcorn:

Well, we are even then b/c I got you confused with Hoops, which I do all the freaking time! :mad: I have the same problem with Critch/Cringer/Crim

VOTE DADDYTORGO

Looks like this is pretty well set as it is. Going to be very interesting if DT turns out to be a good guy. Going to be looking very closely at those who started the move to DT as they then apear to have saved Lathum.


I'm not going to bother moving my vote at this point. doesn't seem to look like it will matter...

Looks like something along the lines of 5 votes in a row on DT.. quite a run that I don't like the feel of.. Right now I'm feeling about the same regarding DT and Lathum, both of whom have either revealed or threatened to reveal in a way that just seems to help the wolves more than us..

Unvote DaddyTorgo
Vote Lathum

it's okay oliegirl - i'll still always love you

it's not set yet render. there's still hope for me.

alan, do you really think that all the wolves would make the same move within one page of one another...i think it more likely you are seeing voting based on a days worth of posts as opposed to votes based on a couple hours and only a few peoples thoughts.

This is a very interesting switch. How many times have you changed your vote now? In #326, you voted for saldana, in #686 you switched to Daddy Torgo and now you are voting for Lathum because there has been a run on him. Curious voting pattern.

Aren't you suppose to be doing some sort of reveal as well?

Then it wouldn't really hurt much to keep it close either way would it?

I could change it again and vote for you instead, but I don't think it would have much traction! :) I like where my vote is currently (at least for the next 5 minutes).

can you elaborate on exactly how my reveal helps the wolves?

I already covered it previously.I would go back and dig up the posts from the last time I was asked, but I'm being lazy today. :cool:

Summary notes though is once again there was no reason for someone who was going to be around this morning to reveal a little less than a day before the deadline if you're a role that often is concerned that once the wolves know who you are your life is short lived.

A reveal that early feels more a part of a plan than anything else to try to see what subtle reactions you might get from others that might clue you off on hints.. but primarily in a game like this it feels more like a calculated wolf play since with 2 seers, no other real seer is going to come out to oppose you, they just as likely might just assume you are the other one opposite of them.

I already said a few times that I didn't like how or when you revealed, and I also don't like the way DT has played his reveal.. and right now both feel somewhat fake to me.

Has DT fully revealed or just threatened to do so?

Did DT reveal, or are you just talking about how he has been talking ABOUT revealing?

Creepy, BK - really creepy.

I haven't seen a reveal yet.

and I said I revealed early because

1. It thought there would be more votes on me by morning and it would be harder to turn hings around

2. I had a dentist apointment today and didn't know how much I would be around

Just about how he had been hinting about it to start the game, was called out on that by a few people .. he cooled it off and then once he got heat later he threatened to reveal, and then came out with some lame response... then when pressed on that he asked if he should reveal...



Yeah something about that just felt forced... at this point if he isn't a wolf, the wolves already had their eyes on him for at some point to target if he hasn't gotten himself lynched... but feels more likely a wolf who initially was setting up for a later fake reveal that got called out on it too early.

The first of which several people disagreed with you upon, as we all have seen there are quite a few people around between noon and 3pm for these mid-afternoon games who can move their vote if need be.

DaddyTorgo has been all over the place in this game. He has been talking about everything from Carson Palmer to his job in real life. He has also been accusing just about everyone in the game of being a wolf:

#198: Questions if Barkeep was picked
#230: Brings up Lathum based on Kwhit's theory
#293:He mentions SnDevils as a wolf candidate
#341: In this post, he mentions me as a "nasty wolf" and also mentions saldana
#379: Suggests Render and Lathum could be creating friction as wolves

The funny thing is, he is stopped this practice once his name has been brought up. In fact, he could have maybe swung some of his votes to Mrs.
Schmidty who at the time was a viable candidate to be lynched. But he went out of his way to defend her (post 654).

I am not convinced DT is a wolf. I think Mrs. Schmidty is the best choice at this time. But I am tacking my vote on to DT.

VOTE DADDYTORGO

but I wasn't going to be around between 12:00-3:00!

of course i've been all over the place. that's my MO early in games to try to stir up some activity. and why move to Mrs. S when i feel it's more likely lathum is a wolf, and i'm 100% convinced he's the right lynch candidate anyways?

I know you're lazy, but can you point me to where he hinted about it to start the game? Lathum said the same thing about DT, but when I asked him to explain what he meant, I wasn't satisfied with his answer. Or are you just thinking he hinted about it based on Lathum's say-so?

GE - not convinced i'm a wolf or even the best candidate and yet you're voting for me anyways?

Well DT, it's getting down to the wire. You have a three vote lead. Do you actually have a reveal to make?

You were around this morning. Even if you hadn't gotten back by 3 a reveal this morning would have been plenty of time prior to the deadline with plenty of people around who could have moved their votes today.

Primarily was talking about DaddyTorgo's posts that initially were in response to me that he very clearly singled out his desire to work out things that could benefit the seer/fake seer to do their role better.

By itself not really a big deal and I would have probably ignored it moreso.. but considering he 1) Did something similar as a wolf before to fake reveal.. and 2) later on did his reveal threats then dropped them then asked again later about revealing .. it just brought back up his original comments in a different light.

If DT is not a wolf and I was a wolf, I definitely would have taken notice of his comments the entire day and gone for him as a night target if he hadn't drawn much heat today.. His comments today seemed more interested in making sure everyone knew he had a role without committing to it.

Alan, I think it based on the dynamics of the game that it's important for me to be around to discuss my reveal.

Fair enough I guess, but your discussing of your reveal hasn't been that convincing to me so far.

omg...i never hinted that i was the damn seer!!!

just because i was talking about optimal seer strategy now that makes me the seer? that's pretty nebulous.

I guess you missed when Lathum thought you were hinting about being the seer because you said "seer/fake seer" then "seer" later in the same post.

If this vote were close I'd probably switch to DT. As it seems like he's going to get it anyway...

i'd really rather not reveal

*sigh*

DT, I think it is funny that you say it is a good thing to get rid of someone that has the ability to confuse us, yet your MO is to stir up activity day one, which also creates confusion.

yeah but that's a pretty weak "hint"

i dropped a nice juicy hint to my role earlier. guess i have nothing to lose now though. Just means I'm going to be dancing with the wolves all game for as long as I survive trying to out-think when they target me versus when I can protect myself.

I'm the bodyguard okay?

blah

Yes. It is the dynamics of this game. In my opinion, villagers should at most vote for only two people a day. That would be ideal.

Not necessarily.

UNVOTE OLIEGIRL
VOTE LATHUM

day 1 startements like this make me laugh and piss me off a little.

How exactly can I be more convincing with no voting records, etc...?

I think this becomes more true after we get the cunning wolf. As it is they have complete kill freedom with the cunning wolf.

You could have started out the game with a post that had the word "see" in it 10 times.







that is a joke btw

I'm thinking we're villager/villager here, with a lot of emotion catching us off-guard. I think a tie and no lynch is the best option.

I'm happy with the top two candidates and either one is a solid pick today. I'm leaving my vote on Lathum as iI think it's the best choice considering optimal draft strategy, but I don't trust DT as far as I can throw him.

"And with your bad knee, Ed, you shouldn't be throwing anybody."

You reveal this 15 minutes before the deadline? So we have one person claiming he is the seer and the other claiming to be the body guard.

In post 680 you said, "I am just a villager".

That would have been a good time to reveal.

Why do you think Poli choose you?

1. where is this hint?

2. I don't buy a bodyguard reveal this late.


3. I don't think Poli would pick you as the BG, I think he would go with someone much more low profile

We can't count on the tie at all because of the masons. The masons would have to agree with you and be already one on each, or else switch to make that happen. I don't think we can force a tie this game.

You could have been more convincing to me by not throwing so many baseless accusations around. As it is, like I said earlier, if I had to guess, I'd say you're probably telling the truth, but also, I'd say you're the more likely one to be lying of you and DT.

I don't think tie = no lynch.. it goes to the masons

Let's not forget that Poli hasn't played much so it's not outragous to think he'd pick people who he knows. Though I'm also quite skeptical of DT being anointed the BG.

I'm not saying we can count on it -- I just think it's our best option.

I tend to agree, but we are assuming the mason's would not break the tie.

I still haven't caught on to how people hint at their role. When PurdueBrad tried to pull up his old posts where he said "see" a lot it seemed like such crap and it indeed ended up being crap.

I thik you are taking the concept of draft strategy way 2 far.

And you could throw me much furter then DT, I have to be a good 30 lbs less then him :D

Not really -- in that case PB really *was* setting up a fake reveal.

please show me where I threw baseless accusations around?

Lathum your problem is that even if you're telling the truth it still might be good to have you out of the way.

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Yeah I don't think Lathum has been wildly flinging stuff around at all. He just got stuck being him.

I'll show you the post numbers after deadline, but where you accused DT of setting himself up for a seer reveal, and where you accused KWhit of slight backtracking, when all he was doing was clarifying.

the hint was when i told olie i'd always love her --- aka kevin costner aka bodyguard!

i really didn't want to reveal, because now the wolves have at worst a 50/50 shot of picking me off any given night based on if i guard myself or someone else

umm.

unless I'm the seer

I hope not, because that would be a big opportunity missed by the person drafting. It doesn't seem like a big stretch to me.

I'm not sure that Whitney Houston references go over the best on a sports message board :p

Right but there's only 50/50 of that. That's what sucks for you.

Add clap to that list.

Yeah talk about a weak hint.

and I am a the seer and those 2 are on me hot and heavy so I hardly think my accusations are baseless.


come to think of it, the only way YOU would know they were baseless is if you had insight into who is/isn't a wolf.

These kind of obscure 'hints' don't really hit home when the posts are coming once every ten seconds or so.

I saw the hint, didnt connect it to the reveal, but man that awful song got stuck in my head :(

So if it were a stronger hint, you guys would be more inclined to believe him? I don't get the concept of hinting that you have a role at all. Maybe that's why I wasn't chosen for one.

nice...pick on the fatty of the group. imma sit on you next time i see you!!:rant:

What kind of *?#$ is that?

u outing yoursefl as a wolf?

Oh yeah, there was also the time you came after Passacaglia, when all he did was point out the holes in your arguments.

not buying that reveal at all from DT....what are the odds out of 21 players that the 2 we pick to be our lynch candidates both have roles.

gee, I'm sure I have some reason for it!

I agree that hints are over rated except if you're the seer and are trying to hint at who you've scanned in case you die.

I assume Alan is worried about a non-cunning wolf.

...you're allowed to vote for yourself?

I'm sure you must too. It's still crap.

WTF?

See! Now look at what you've done Alan. Sheesh I'm playing in another game and the person self voted there too. It's like the WW gods are trying to rub my least favorite player action in my face.

Eh. He doesn't even have to vote at all. But now we know if Alan dies, it's likely that the killer was....Alan! :eek:

It's past deadline. i won't spoil St.Cronin's writeup for him.. but I play a part in the end result.. and thus you will find out my role.

I'll comment more after night actions are over. Either I'll be night killed by wolves (thus my role fully listed), or I'll explain my thoughts about today and go into full detail on my role at that point.

also, if DT is the bodyguard, no way he should have been out and point fingers...he should have gone quiet and let other people stand out....to be any help, the BG has to stay just as hidden as the seer.

Deadline

Word.

Damn you guys post too fast.

I agree fully.. I hate self votes. In this situation it felt like the best strategy though for myself. I obviously didn't do it in the normal self-vote fashion.