Yes, I was robbed. I had to use some of the money I had replace what was stolen.

anybody with a vote count?

Funny you should ask because I was just looking over the quotes that made me suspect you:



Kinda seems like you were retracting your statement after I mentioned that I was told you were passing by there.

What we keep coming back to is, I admitted to being in Bishopsgate, have refused to discuss my business there, attempted to clarify to Alan that it wasn't a case of passing through on the way to somewhere else, AND NONE OF THE THREE CRIMES WAS COMMITTED THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE!

This is insane.

Mr. Wednesday (6)- Bulletsponge, DaddyTorgo, Dodgerchick, Lathum, LoneStarGirl, SnDvls
DaddyTorgo (5)- AlanT, Barkeep49, Dubb93, Izulde, Ntndeacon
Lathum (2) - blade, hoopsguy
barkeep (1) - st.cronin

dammit, that stupid quote keep appearing

I mean, I'd understand if this involved me being spotted in Commercial or Whitechapel Rd, but to accuse me because of a misunderstanding over being spotted in Bishopsgate, even though nothing at all happened there last night?

I know nothing happened in Bishopsgate, I just felt you were trying to backtrack your statement of not being there when you were seen passing by.

Well, Lathum's already voting for me, so it won't hurt me any to put a vote on him.

VOTE Lathum

Show me the post where I said I wasn't there.

Hint, you can't, because I didn't.

I clarified that I was in Bishopsgate on private business, rather than in transit to someplace else.

I have a start to a circle of trust. Thus far it would include:

Hoops--I think I know what role he is playing

Blade--From the information he has presented, IE bribing the urchin, and the overal vibe I have gotten from him

Barkeep--I think I know his role as well

AlanT--I'm very confident he is playing with the same cards I was delt.

I may still be a little rusty, and there may be something that I missed that I usually wouldn't, but for right now this is what I'm working with in my COT.

Of the three suspects, I suspect Mr. Wednesday the least. There is just nothing there. The whole reason for voting him revolved around Blade, and Blade has since moved his vote. This means either Blade re-read his PM and realized he was wrong, or he was just never really convinced.

I have nothing on DT at all. This is a bad thing for him. I have a little bit of a read on almost everyone in the game, DT is not one of them.

Lathum is interesting. Hoops is nearly convinced he is bad, and Lathum was the only one in the district who did not answer Wednesday's call. With actual evidence against Lathum, I think I may change my vote.

Of these four, they have voted for:

Blade and Hoops both on Lathum

Alan and Barkeep are on DaddyTorgo

Again, Alan is playing with the same cards I am, so I'm pretty sure he has no inside information, as for Barkeep, he would only know about the johns that have contacted him and possibly the other ladys of the night. So I think there is more hard evidence against Lathum than DT so I will...

UNVOTE DADDYTORGO

VOTE LATHUM

I hope that long ramble made sense to someone out there.

Jesus Christ, give me a minute will ya?

This was Alan's inquiry:


And your response:

I think DC is dropping the "to get to Whitechapel" part and only reading "I wasn't going through Bishopsgate"

The correct way to read this is, I wasn't going through Bishopsgate to get to Whitechapel.

I was in Bishopsgate on personal business, rather than in transit to Whitechapel.

I want to know what this private business was.

Dola, particularly, pay attention to the post to which I was replying. Alan expressed confusion about why I would be in Bishopsgate if I were traveling from Cavell to Whitechapel.

I don't think it's appropriate to discuss at this time.

Well, OK, but you are on your deathbed. Right now I believe you have a two vote lead in the lynching race.

ok, i was rereading things from yesterday looking for things alan said i missed, and noticed this post from Blade.

if blade spent all his money on an urchin for last night, what was he doing out at the same time?

hookers and opium cost 5 shillings a piece, and Alan and I have both stated that we tried to buy the urchin....i bid 6 and didnt get it, so if blade started with the same 10 shillings I had, why was he out at all last night, since he spent didnt have the cash to do anything. (We know he was out since he went to the alarm raised by mr W.)

hopefully he will be back to answer this for me.

I think we both have enough experience to appreciate the reasons why I'm trying to avoid going into more detail.

(I should say the possible reasons... not all of them are good... but under the circumstances, putting me up as a suspect is incredibly bad judgement.)

It's 6-4-4, which isn't enough to lynch. Still plenty of time to swing things without going into unnecessary detail.

Sometimes I wonder why I even bother, I thought this game would be different because of the tiny nugget of knowledge I might get; but it proves that I'm completely clueless once again and I guess I'm grasping for whatever. Every single freaking game, someone comes out with the same thing, "I know something but can't disclose it" and time and time again, I fall for it... why? Why? That's WW for ya, yes, I know.

Unvote Mr. Wednesday
Vote Bulletsponge

I'll be out for a while.

After reading through what was posted this afternoon, I don't think Mr. Wednesday or Daddy Torgo is the person we should go for. Hoops has good instincts so I'll go with

VOTE LATHUM

another point on blades post that i quoted above....first he says he can pay an urchin to spy on a sector once per game....then he says he can do it again in 5 days, after earning 2 shillings per day

for those of you that are saying that i am just latching onto the normal londoner information other people are providing, i have a question..........is you ability to hire an urchin only a one time action...i know mine isnt...i can try to hire one each day if i have the money for it (how would i know that if it wasnt really my role)....i also earn 3 shillings a day, as i think everyone else has said they do (i dont expect any one to give me any slack for this statement, since numerous other people have already made it)

I respect that and I think I'm starting to place your role. However I think you are mistaken on the lynch number. We have 20 players left. We need 1/3 of that, 20 divided by 3 is 6.67 repeating of course.


So unless I am mistaken that rounds the lynch number down to 6. Someone double check that please.

we started at 24, sent JE to an orphanage, then we lost 3 last night, which makes 20....your math works out to me.

Er, right. Anyway, I still think it's tight enough right now.

unvote Mr. W
vote Lathum

in light of the more detailed info from Hoops

FWIW Weds. I don't believe that you are bad, and there are several roles that would lead to him being out and about at night in this game people. So I don't see him being "out and about" as something sinister.

I still have a couple hours to change my vote and I can feel my caffeine denial headache coming on. But I think that this point by dubb is interesting:

Lathum was the only one in the district who did not answer Wednesday's call.

Seems like there might be something there. Back in a bit (hour tops)

I would add that that information came directly from Hoops.

My father has had a heart attack. I am not officially dropping out of the game, yet, but my participation will be limited for a bit.

wow cronin, that's a lot more important that WW, I hope everything turns out ok

can i ask all the people that are currently in the thread why none of you have commented on the discrpancies i pointed out regarding blade


the only reason i havent voted for him is because i would like to hear from him first.

Grr why me?

Unvote me of the fluffy bunny gets it!

aww thats bad news. god i hope hes going to be ok

Thats horrible news, I hope he is ok and everything turns out well.

take care St. C

i was hoping for some additonal input on my blade observations, but since no one seems to care, i will go with the other story that has holes in it

vote lathum

Back and catching up....

god Cronin. I think the prayers of London good and (i would assume) bad are with you! hope everything is alright

oh yeah and i'm just leaving for coffee now. damm my madden Texans for that 27-24 squeaker over LJ and the Chiefs keeping me home.

In my dream, I saw them exchange money and Barkeep lead him away, into a room.

I'm sorry st. cronin. I hope that he's okay.

Sorry to hear that, cronin. :(

The Lathum argument makes sense to me.

UNVOTE DADDYTORGO

VOTE LATHUM

Lathum, I know you were in Cavell and that you left Cavell. I don't have any other information on the matter, but I do find it curious that the other people I saw in Cavell who left were all seen by Mr. Wednesday. That is an awfully big part of my motivation in voting for you.


Hmmm, I'm not sure what to make of this. I know that I do not have the ability to declare that I'm going to find a specific person - instead I can declare what district to visit. Do other people have the ability to specify a person instead of a zone with their actions? Or is this just an attempt to get me to admit to a role that I may or may not have?

saldana, I noted your observation.

As I recall, Blade isn't going to be back until later.

Im here for the next hour, but i have to write a paper in that time span and really need to focus on it...anyone have a question that cant wait until late tonight?

Saldana, I agree there are some inconsistencies to be found in Blade's versions of how his mechanic works. But he was the first person to come out with the urchin ability that has been widely commented upon since that time. That carried a decent amount of weight for me. Enough that I, for now, will treat incongruent statements from Blade as in keeping with his sometimes wild/erratic play as a good guy.

I think it is a point worth scrutinizing further if there is sufficient push-back from people claiming the same role. Dubb, Alan, Path, others ... your thoughts?

Sorry to hear that. :(

I hope he will be alright.

I can only decide which area of the district to visit.

He claims he never left clavell, so if you saw him leave...

Very sorry to hear this. My thoughts are with you both.

Cronin, best of wishes buddy...i hope he is alright!

What if he runs the opium den? I don't know one way or another, but it might be an excuse for being out. That would also tie in with the idea of special roles having the same abilities regarding prostitutes/opium/urchins.

What I find more interesting is Lathum saying that he was going to look for hoops specifically. I can't specify a prostitute, just the areas I'd like to look for one.

UNVOTE MR. WEDNESDAY

VOTE LATHUM

I don't see myself as in-danger tonight anymore, and as I've said, I believe Mr. Weds to be innocent, perhaps engaged in some type of "constable" or "sherlock holmes" type action, so I am taking my vote off of him and putting it into Lathum for the reasons I said in my earlier post.

And then Barkeep said he got info attesting to his being good, if I recall. Thanks for the clarification.

Oops, I guess hoops already brought it up. That's what I get for posting before reading everything.

I think it might be worth coming back to, but all and all Blade seems to be on the same page as I so far. I think we've got better targets for right now.

in answer to the question about people and places, i can request to check 2 different areas for hookers, but may not find any

dola, i cannot look for a specific person

blade, i would like you to read post 720 and 725 and explain the discrepancies i noted.

Well, time to vote.

VOTE LATHUM

Reasons: Post #670: "I was searching for a prostitute when I realized I had been pick pocketed, I went off to look for the person who stole my money since obtaining a ladies services were out of the question."

Post #681: "If I was guilty the obvious move would be try and blend in with the pack, instead I went to find my money so I could get some tail..."

Post #693: "I knew hoops could vouch I was in that district since it was him (her?) I was going to see."

These do not match up with the way I understand the mechanics to be. Perhaps he has a role that allows him to do things somewhat differently, but there are holes in this story that I can't make sense of.

Couple that with the curious incident of four people being in an area and only three responding to a call for help and that explains my vote.

You will notice, while at face value quite similar, our two roles(if you have what you claim) are different. The evidence you left out, which could be damning so i should mention it, includes the fact i only gain 2 gold a night in comparison with most peoples 3(DT claims to make 4, so take that for what you will). As well, i can ONLY bid for an urchin with the full 10 gold. This is more restricting then what you claim, where you bid whatever price you felt like.

Im in the fun situation of having a role that is not listed in the initial rules. It was the reason, if you go back and look, i believed JE when he revealed his role before the lynch. Becuase i knew their were roles not listed. You can hunt me if you would like, but it will yield you only another day of dissapointment and attempts at positve remarks after the death of a good guy just like my fellow un-listed brother, JE.

Wow guys. I am impressed by some of y'alls detective work. Lathum you definitly screwed up with what you said. People are stupid not to vote for you.

[b]unvote Mr. Wednesday[\b]

[b] vote lathum [b]

Well, it looks like things are pretty settled. I have an intramural Ultimate game at 10 pm, so I need to leave now to get ready; if anything comes up, for better or for worse, I won't be able to address it until after I get back.

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i didn't screw up at all, i am going to refrain from further comment

I saw four people in Cavell, but they left. It does not specifically mention Lathum, but three of the people certainly did show up in Commercial, responding to a cry for help. The other is Lathum.

If he did not in fact leave Cavell then I guess I'm doing a horrible job of reading comprehension. I'll post the PM in its entirety in the post-game for people to analyze if this proves to be the case.

I was trying to peg roles on him to explain away the parts of the story that weren't making sense. I'd assume that any lawmen/detectives/watchmen in the area would respond to a call for help. I was thinking bordello mum until he mentioned looking for some tail. The only wildcard for me right now is freemason.

unvote mr wednesday

vote lathum

Lathum you definitly screwed up pal. Sorry to see you go. If you turn up good I will appologize a million times. but if you are bad then uhm... well i dont know. You can think of something

dola, I'm also assuming that urchins are not looking for prostitutes.

Damnit, missed the dola again.

Well, I have caught up. I like that I am seeing a few people drop some specific details into the conversation, as I feel like certain items are far too similar to my own to be ignored.

Unfortunately for him, I think Lathum claiming the ability to seek out a particular person, rather than an area, is too inconsistent to my own information, and what I have leared of others, so I'm going to go with him.

Vote Lathum

For it only being day 2, I feel pretty decent about the evidence available in making this vote.

DC, I just noticed this. What do you mean?

you know what LSG, you're really pissing me off saying I screwed up when I didn't screw up at all so wait until you get the whole story before you become critical about my play.

I hate when nobody comes to the vote leaders defense at all. Always makes me nervous.

Lathum, direct your anger to me...just relax a little, think about how much more you hate me then her, and let it slide. I get knocks like that quite regularly, to the point where my name and play style have become acceptable replacements for the words crazy and outlandish. Just brush it off and laugh as you bring about their deaths in the next 5 games...just wait, another egypt opportunity will come your way :p

Lathum, calm down. In 25 minutes we will see

In this game it likely means he either has a special role(those dont have allies really) for good or evil, or he is just really unlucky in that whoever his night 0 visit was hates him and wants him dead

Vote Lathum

I'm not sure how long I'll be in the game (because of internet issues), but I feel obligated to vote. This seems to be the best bet.

Based on the story so far, how many good roles can you slot him in?

relax there big guy...if you go back to yesterday, i had you listed as a solidly trusted player, and thought we both had the same role...apparently we have similar roles if yours is one that isnt listed...mine is just a normal londoner, which explains the differences...if you note, i never voted for you, or even pushed hard...i asked other people what they thought of the things i noticed, but i hardly think waiting for 2 or 3 hours for you to show up and explain yourself qualifies as hunting you

ok. i'm around but this seems pretty settled-in

No, it does not...but i know what the reaction was when JE revealed...much of an eh, he sound evil anyways. My role title, though on the side of good, is dark in nature. I was hoping to blend in as long as i could(though i was quite honest with all of my facts), seeing people begin to realize i am different i would like to nip any problems in the bud before its too late. With my schedule the next few days i wont have much time to defend myself until its too late to stop a bandwagon, and would rather prefer i prevented such actions from occuring now.

If you would like my role title im willing to be forthcoming, if you work under the basis despite its WW-potential to be evil, i work for good.

And it would explain more why i was out and about last night(which was you major concern), and even to a greater extent then you even think

Blade, I appreciate the words, I really sincerly do but that's not the point. When people use words like "screwed up" it is very negative and since I didn't that annoys me and I consider it a personal attack.

Actually it's pretty nice that Sherlock and Watson would come to one another's aid just like the Chief and Lestrade would do the same. From what I can tell from the descriptions, none of the bad guys would work together except for possibly Moriarty and Fagin.

So it may be a good sign. :)

your title wont be needed...i trusted you before, got a little suspicious, and now trust you again....you have already shown more knowledge of abilities similar to mine than a wolf could have, so i am very sure we are on the same team.

Lathum I hope you know me well enough to know that I would never personally attack anybody, especially you.

i do but i am very frustrated and you will understand soon, it just struck a nerve...:(

fwiw, I would have voted for me today also

Ahh, trying the reverse psychology of the self vote after the deadline to sway voters...its a bold move, lets see if it pays off ;)

Always a pleasure Lathum, i hope we get to play together again soon so i can continue to go out of my way and keep paying you back for how badly you owned me in Egypt with that mid-day kill.

Dola, i voted for you for strictly in game reasons, i just joke a lot as im sure your aware. No hard feelings, other then my still bruised ego :)

Cheif you are slow :-)

no worries Blade

Heh heh sorry, you guys change your votes too much. ;)

Write up coming now.

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I want cool smilies like bullet

Just got in.. is deadline an hour later than last night or did I just have too much to drink tonight?

My comment about Blade's story.. I originally assumed he had the same role as me and said he spent all of his money so as to not attract pickpockets, when in fact he only spent 8 shilling, leaving him 2 + a 3 shilling daily allowence for a night action.

Either that or waiting to trap folks claiming similar roles not knowing the full story, or not realizing how many people have a similar role. I left it as that and didn't really call him on the descrepencies because I know -someone- trumped my orphan bid and I had bid a fair amount. Without anyone else coming out and saying they got the urchins instead of blade, I assume his story is true.

If his role is indeed different, then he goes in the same category as DaddyTorgo for me to consider perhaps. My instincts still tell me he is ok though, but I guess I am starting to wonder if he had some other ability such as the role of Fagin.

Thanks for the kind words, everybody. I haven't really read any of the thread since this morning, but I'm not planning on doing any traveling, and should have time to catch up tomorrow.

My father is in stable condition, at Duke University Hospital, scheduled for something called a "stent" which sounds fairly routine.

We have had not a traditional father-son relationship, and at times it has been quite difficult. Despite this, I am extremely fond of him, and can't imagine a world without him in it. This experience has been quite disorienting. He is young, and has essentially zero risk factors, so it's been a shock to everybody. I am going to press on with my life as best I can.

Again, thanks to everybody for ... well, for being here.