blah. I don't feel like voting for either of them. neither of them has really...roused my suspiscion.

14 members... nice! So do any of you 13 people out there have an updated post count? The last one I saw was Alan's and a few people voted for Lathum after that.

Thanks.

It just said that Scoobz wasn't allied with Sauron and that he was dealing with sorcery. That means Saruman.

The way Lathum took my arguments makes me think he's bad, or he's playing sloppy like he accused me of. He's still very high on my watch list...that said, the way Swaggs is playing now is making me even more suspicious, and since Lathum isn't gonna get lynched tonight I'm switching.

UNVOTE LATHUM
VOTE SWAGGS

I voted for him because he suggested that there was an unsuccesful conversion. This could mean

- the forces of darkness tried to convert him and for some reason failed
- he is in league with the forces of darkness, and is trying to confuse us with rumors
- he is a witness and has some knowledge of night activities
- he has no idea what happened last night and is just taking a WAG

Cases 1 and 3 he would be better served to just tell us "this happened last night." Case 2 he is a good lynch, case 4, well, who knows. I voted for him, but I'm not sold on the lynch.

Statistical fallacy -- this game is an independent event, the fact that he was "bad" in previous games makes it no more or less likely for him to be bad in this game. :)

I should probably join the race since my guy isn't in it.

Unvote Spleen
Vote Lathum

Agreed that Lathum isn't going to get lynched. Dunno if we should be letting him off the hook this early, nor if he had enough presence during the day to be any value for voting analysis down the road, but...

UNVOTE Lathum
VOTE Chief Rum

I disagree with stating this so factually. I still stand by my feeling that he was part of saruman's team if not the head of it. For arguement case you have to at least assume he could have been part of one of the teams until we see a listing for another bad guy list their side.

That doesn't make sense to me. You say that you think Lathum's bad. But you move your vote to somebody that you KNOW isn't going to get lynched.

Lathum is still in the race. If you're going to move your vote, it doesn't make sense to move it to Swaggs. Or am I missing something?

Huh?

I am on the side of light, are you?

thanks Cronin. that's at least more than we have on CR.

VOTE LATHUM

Then what do you make of the rules saying that a dead guy's faction is revealed?

Or, since he was not revealed to be in Saruman's faction, that he was some sort of susceptible player who was a sorceror type (in the lingo of standard WW games) or a "conversion target" type. I feel pretty strongly that it was one of the latter two.

Tyrith is moving up my radar quickly.

Hrm...well now if Mr.W and I were back on Lathum it'd be 9-9. We still need three more votes on a candidate, though, if we want to lynch.

Yes. I agree. It isn't much, but .... heck, we don't have much on anybody at this point.

both groups are darkness, yes?

if they overwhelm us then "darkness" wins

then the GM determines who of the two darkness factions wins the whole thing.

That is off point. One of the reasons he has gotten votes today, at the beginning of the day is because of his UTR play and how that is somewhat out of character for him. This is probably the biggest reason I vote for him over Lathum.

Yeah he is now on the radar as anyone else on your list would be once votes start accumulating.

Well, this is an utter disaster.

What the heck for? If I was a bad guy don't you think I'd be slightly more intelligent than to spend two days randomly not reading posts and acting like a chicken with my head cut off? Do you really have so little respect for my intelligence? And has there ever been a situation where a guy like me is acting dumb and _not_ controlling the conversation where they actually turned up bad?

Updated vote count for Dodgerchick:

Saldana - 1 (by Chief Rum)
Chief Rum - 10 (by saldana, Alan T, Schmidty, Lathum, Jonathan, Thomkal, Grammaticus, spleen, LoneStarGirl, Mr. Wednesday)
Blade - 1 (by Izulde)
st.cronin - 1 (by SnDvls)
Lathum - 7 (by st.cronin, Swaggs, ntndeacon, KWhit, Sublime, BrianD, DaddyTorgo)
Alan T - 1 (Blade)
Swaggs - 1 (Tyrith)

Like I said, we all have a different understanding of utr.

you just seem really quick to accuse. *shrug*

man Tyrith, you are really gunning for me. How are you so sure when you have claimed you need to pay better attention?

You are gonna look pretty bad once I come up smelling like roses.

To be honest, right now I'm pretty angry at this game in general. I'm frustrated because of the way the last three games went totally awful, I botched yesterday, I'm generally not focused, and we're all running all over the place in a manner that gives anyone who wants a specific person to die ample ammunition to make it happen if they've got the political power. This is _insanely_ frustrating, and my trigger finger just wants to make someone that's been talking today die, but it won't happen.

Because I was paying attention during that argument, and you know it. If you are a good guy you are doing your best to twist around my arguments, which I will take as a personal attack and respond to accordingly.

you really shouldn't be so worried unless you have something to hide.

It does say that faction, role and affiliation are revealed upon death.

I think he was revealed as on the side of dark. I think we'll know for sure one way or another when another bad guy is lynched.

Right now I wouldn't likely press for people who didn't vote for him, and likewise I wouldn't create a cot of people who did vote for him as I already said. But I likewise think dismissing that he was on a team is a fallicy too.

touche. if lathum comes up smelling like roses...hmmm

As I see it you have spent the last couple of hours taking every argument I have and knowingly misinterpreting it. How else am I supposed to take it? You're putting information and ideas out there that, if they listen to you about what I was thinking could be very easily used against me. And you know it's not about having stuff to hide in this game, it's about trying to stay alive so that we make good lynches. If you know you're a good guy it's absolutely in your best interest to keep yourself alive because you KNOW you're good, unless it's in a situation where you are almost absolutely sure who another guy is and he's more valuable than you. So I'm going to be a bit worried when you throw out stuff that you could later use to call me a wolf.

have to disagree with you here.

I believe he was an outsider who could have been a part of either team
going off fouts info it says side of light and townfolk

Am I missing something in this exchange between Lathum and Tyrith?

Tyrith accuses Lathum of being bad, removes his vote from Lathum, and puts it on me--all in the same thread.

And they are now arguing?

Throughout the rules process Anxiety talked about the four sides as being actual allegiances. Furthermore, Fouts full allegiance was revealed upon death. There is no distinction in the rules for roles being revealed differently for good or bad, so I'm inclined to think we know what we're gonna know for now.

My vote count is a little different :

(11) Chief Rum - Saldana (482), Alan (504), Schmidty (552), Lathum (555), Jonathan Ezarik (577), Thomkal (585), Grammaticus (593), Spleen (625), Lonestargirl (700), Tyrith (704)
(7) Lathum - St.Cronin (557), Swaggs (594), Ntndeacon (595), Kwhit (607), Sublime (616), BrianD (707), Daddytorgo (712)
(1) Saldana - Chief Rum (446)
(1) Blade - Izulde (484)
(1) St.cronin - Sndvls (532)
(1) Alan - Blade (611)

No, not missing anything. Pretty much spot on.

Since I'm of the viewpoint that lynches only help those of the Light and we're getting close to deadline with no clear lynch, I'm throwing my vote to the majority.

UNVOTE BLADE

VOTE CHIEF RUM

I'm still wary of Blade, though.

That seems reasonable. I don't know quite where else to start, though. This Lathum-Tyrith bickering doesn't impress me any more than the AlanT-Blade-saldana war from day 1.

I put forward a concrete reason to vote for Lathum, and he goes after Tyrith, which is interesting. I'm certainly ready to be wrong about Lathum, but his act is pretty strange.

This was my argument against Alan the other day...all we need now is lathum saying he wasnt calling you a wolf and saying you are lying about what he said to make it complete :D

I'm not making sense right now when it comes to the whole Lathum situation. I'm well and truly on tilt when it comes to him.

Well I could be wrong on this then. Either way I don't think it should affect how we play today or any other day until we know for sure. (ie: we shouldn't form a CoT from that day or such)

True. I suspect in the next day or two we'll know for sure.

I have 11 for CR and 6 for Lathum.

Alan, your list has only ten names voting for Chief.

With Izulde's vote, Chief now has 11.

Post #451 cronin, which people asked you to explain at the time and you never did. Now that you seem to be talking more, care to explain this post from yesterday? Is it in regards to alan, as that was what i felt CR/Saldana debate was over

Alan, I am very much not voting for Chief, which would be the error with your record.

Why did you vote for me, then?

I am one of the few people that have come out and said I am on the side of light and I put out my position that, agree with me or not, I feel like we need to vote/lynch someone because it is one of the only tools available to us, yet you vote for me because I am being suspicious.

Let me figure out who I missed. I think its 12 now:


(446) Chief rum votes Saldana (1)
(482) Saldana votes Chief Rum (1)
(484) Izulde votes Blade (1)
(501) Jonathan Ezarik votes Daddy Torgo (1)
(504) Alan votes Chief Rum (2)
(532) Sndvls votes St.Cronin (1)
(552) Schmidty votes Chief Rum (3)
(554) BrianD votes Spleen (1)
(555) Lathum votes Chief Rum (4)
(557) St.Cronin votes Lathum (1)
(565) Tyrith votes Lathum (2)
(574) Blade votes Chief Rum (5)
(577) Jonathan Ezarik UNVOTES Daddy Torgo (0) ***
(577) Jonathan Ezarik votes Chief Rum (6)
(583) Mr.Wednesday votes Lathum (3)
(585) Thomkal votes Chief Rum (7)
(593) Grammaticus votes Chief Rum (8)
(594) Swaggs votes Lathum (4)
(595) Ntndeacon votes Lathum (5)
(607) Kwhit votes Lathum (6)
(611) Blade UNVOTES Chief RUm (7) ***
(611) Blade votes Alan (1)
(616) Sublime votes Lathum (7)
(625) Spleen votes Chief Rum (8)
(700) Lonestargirl votes Chief Rum (9)
(704) Tyrith UNVOTES Lathum (6) ***
(704) Tyrith votes Chief Rum (10)
(707) BrianD UNVOTES Spleen (0) ***
(707) BrianD votes Lathum (7)
(708) Mr.Wednesday UNVOTES Lathum (6) ***
(708) Mr.Wednesday votes Chief Rum (11)
(712) DaddyTorgo votes Lathum (7)
(738) Izulde UNVOTES Blade (0) ***
(738) Izulde votes Chief Rum (12)

I missed Mr.wednesday (708). it is 12 votes on Chief now

All I meant was that as I read things I found myself agreeing with saldana's pov. Then some people were saying he was suspicious. Since I know I'm good, I am willing to say that his day 1 play was NOT suspicious.

Well, I'm on pg. 15, but not all the way down. Seems like we need 2 votes to vote for Chief (if I added correctly):

VOTE CHIEF RUM

I absolutely do not like early no-lynches. I voted for him more because we need a majority, not really because I feel he is on the dark side. I feel bad he's not here to defend himself though.

Oh you voted for swaggs. ok my bad. I'll fix that. I didnt read clearly. sorry am trying to get the place cleaned up too

Because you kept insisting the day 1 vote record means something. It doesn't. This is pretty much a vote against that idea.

Kk, here is updated list. my apologies:

(11) Chief Rum - Saldana (482), Alan (504), Schmidty (552), Lathum (555), Jonathan Ezarik (577), Thomkal (585), Grammaticus (593), Spleen (625), Lonestargirl (700), Mr. Wednesday (708) Izulde (738)
(7) Lathum - St.Cronin (557), Swaggs (594), Ntndeacon (595), Kwhit (607), Sublime (616), BrianD (707), Daddytorgo (712)
(1) Saldana - Chief Rum (446)
(1) St.cronin - Sndvls (532)
(1) Alan - Blade (611)
(1) Swaggs - Tyrith (704)

That's 12 votes for CR.

It will mean something in conjunction with the other votes.

Unvote Lathum

Vote Chief Rum

FYI: My vote change was to try to help make sure we get a majority.

Not really, because they could be fairly certain he was going to die early on and they could use it as a chance to get some "good" votes in. Or, more likely, they didn't know who he was. But this is a situation where there could easily be bad guys that have good records.

I really don't understand this logic, at all. If you think it's a bad lynch, DON'T VOTE FOR HIM!

Lynching a villager is worse for the village than not lynching anybody.

As of post 759:

(13) Chief Rum - Saldana (482), Alan (504), Schmidty (552), Lathum (555), Jonathan Ezarik (577), Thomkal (585), Grammaticus (593), Spleen (625), Lonestargirl (700), Mr. Wednesday (708) Izulde (738), Dodgerchick (752), Kwhit (758)
(6) Lathum - St.Cronin (557), Swaggs (594), Ntndeacon (595), Sublime (616), BrianD (707), Daddytorgo (712)
(1) Saldana - Chief Rum (446)
(1) St.cronin - Sndvls (532)
(1) Alan - Blade (611)
(1) Swaggs - Tyrith (704)

I strongly disagree with thos

You're right. You just helped me make my decision. I don't really think CR is bad, so I'm switching back.

Sorry if this is a f*** up.

Unvote Chief Rum
Vote Lathum

How can you strongly disagree with something you are doing?

Tyriths votes are very suspiscous to me. He unvotes me because he says he is sure I am not gonna be lynched, then moves to a Swaggs who has no heat on him at all. It seems to me he is trying to cover his tracks...

Heh. Good point.

Lynching a villager is only good for us when finding out his affiliation will really tell us something about the other players. With Chief being gone we pretty much have the first three or four voters with any sort of argument at all, and a bunch of followers. Alan's argument was not liking chief defending someone so easily. Lathum and saldana are just saying that they've seen him play like this before and be bad. These arguments wouldn't tell me much about them if he was lynched, because they had to make some weak argument today to put a vote in. In this case I think if we lynch a villager we're mostly just down a villager -- the information won't be worth a dead body.

Of course, there's the chance he's bad you also have to weigh in, meaning I can't completely object to this.

I feel that there is atleast a small case to vote Lathum at this point, st. cronin pointed this out around post 705 or so, but I'm missing why we should be voting CR.

Well its deadline.. guess good or bad, we find out something maybe.

(12) Chief Rum - Saldana (482), Alan (504), Schmidty (552), Lathum (555), Jonathan Ezarik (577), Thomkal (585), Grammaticus (593), Spleen (625), Lonestargirl (700), Mr. Wednesday (708) Izulde (738), Dodgerchick (752)
(7) Lathum - St.Cronin (557), Swaggs (594), Ntndeacon (595), Sublime (616), BrianD (707), Daddytorgo (712), Kwhit (765)
(1) Saldana - Chief Rum (446)
(1) St.cronin - Sndvls (532)
(1) Alan - Blade (611)
(1) Swaggs - Tyrith (704)

That is time. For today's vote, we need 12 out of 23 players. Let me go check.

because we have a chance of hitting a bad guy instead of sitting on our hands and letting the forces of darkness pick us off one at a time at night. look how lucky we got yesterday...nothing to say we couldnt get that lucky again.

Ok, I think i missed these points before, atleast Lathum and saldana's.

Im voting you for the sole reason of getting you and cronin to shut up. My original action was to vote chief and be make sure the lynch happened. You both threw a big fit over it becuase i feel he is good, so to stop you two from whining incessantly i swapped to you. I am voting you becuase your my top suspect and you nagged me enough about how my original choice was such a terrible decision. :rolleyes:

Then you better be damn well suspicious of Blade, too. I won't let you get away with just pointing it at me.

Stop putting words in my mouth. The only fit I had was you saying that I made you vote a certain way. I don't care honestly how you vote.

blades actions early in the game lead me to believe he is of no harm to us.

Should we never vote to lynch anyone again unless we are absolutely sure that he's not a villager? Instead we should just wait until we get picked off one by one?

I have 12 for Chief Rum. Is that confirmed?

Ive got my own problems to deal with tyrith...when you get on my level of heat, EVERY GAME, then come talk to me. The amount of heat you have on you is like childs play compared to what ive had to put up with so far.

Furthermore, I was right about you not going to be getting lynched; even with everyone that had voted for you it would have been, what, 10 votes? With the remaining outstanding votes being highly unlikely to move towards you instead of the candidate with the higher count.

I wasn't trying to point him at you as to point out that his logic had holes in it. I've told you repeatedly today that I'm on your side in this war against people killing you for bad reasons, remember? :)

That's what I've got too, Abe.

I think that's what alan has too

I also have 12 for chief.

The evening brings an end to the sunshine that penetrated the fog and another day of deliberations. Fresh from success the previous day and a reminder of why you are embarking on this task last night, resolve hardens your veins and tendons.

Tonight you vote another of your own for lynching. Righteousness boils through the assembly. You have voted for Chief Rum. When the final vote is tallied, he cries out in fright and scurries underneath the tale, but you pull his three foot two inch frame out from under the table easily enough.

One of you carries him to the central gallows you had set up but with which you do not administer justice the previous evening, since Scoobz forced you to cut him down. This will be the first lynch of the freshly cut and assembled gallows.

Right away you notice a problem. Your gallows are man height, and not designed for a hobbit. You discuss the situation and decide to have someone hold him up while the rope is tied around his neck, then release him.

You begin to prepare the rope, and Chief Rum looks at you with wide eyed horror. He knows that death has marked him, and fate will off him this evening. His tears of sorrow glisten in the twilight, but your resolve is set. Although a few of you begin to have doubts, the assembly has spoken.

The sight of the hobbit, openly weeping in torment, is ultimately too much for you, and you have to cover his head. You cast lots to see who will have to hold him up, and once that is decided, the task begins. His hobbit frame squirms under the weight of the hanging, and it takes him a lot longer to die than a human would have taken, because he weighs less. After a half hour of horror, he still twitches occasionally. You decide to leave him alone for now and investigate his place.

Nob was a hobbit servant at the Prancing Pony Inn, and he kept a small room there, underneath the Inn. You enter it as best as you can, but find nothing to verify your suspicions. As far as you can tell, he was just a normal hobbit who served you all just as he did Mr. Underhill’s party.

Realizing your mistake, you hurry back to the gallows, but it is too late, and the hobbit lies dead. The sheer terror on his face as he realized that his friends and associates were about to kill him are everywhere you turn, and shutting your eyes does not blank the shame.


Day Two has ended. Night Two has begun. It ends at 3:30 am EST Wednesday morning.


-Anxiety

See, what's different about this game is that we need a majority (50% +1), so that means we either kill someone and learn something based on voting records or trails people leave, or we keep our finger up our butt and let the dark side kill us off one by one, or multiple times a night.

Who knows, Chief just MIGHT be evil, we'll have to see, but I just don't want an early no-lynch.

No, of course not. But voting INSERT RANDOM PLAYER simply because you think you HAVE to lynch somebody is really pathetic. Show some stones, find a reason to vote for somebody.

I'm not saying I didn't enjoy the bit yesterday, but don't you think you kind of brought some of the heat on you in the beginning of this? Like i said i didn't mind like some did, but it certainly raises an eyebrow or two.

so if you were so sure I wasn't gonna be lynched why switch?

ah well

I am right again.

dammit!!!

Watch the language.

Wow... that was a powerful write up. :(

Ugh. That sucks.

Beautiful writeup though, Anxiety.

Because I could use the vote to rally against a point of contention in the game. Although, to be fair, I should have explained the vote better at the time, but I was not happy.

errr sorry

"Dagnabbit!" or "darnit!"

do you want me to edit it?

My arguement was you were my top suspect. I said becuase you werent going to get lynched, id take your supporter as my second best suspect. I never said you compelled me to vote a certain way, so stop putting words into my mouth...

By the way, i love these two posts
You actually recognize my acutal argument in the first half, then digress...I love how that one ends and this one follows shortly...nice contrast :p

sucks big time

wish CR could have been here to defend himself

I thought we needed 13 for the 50%+1?