No real reason. I knew I wanted to check a river location ala the California gold rush.

Good job. I was hoping somebody would have the gold to do it. And I think you waited late enough to post it that hopefully no pirates watched you (and killed you). I think I would have hidden for my first AP though.

Good luck to you!

KWhit, for what it is worth I changed the order on my last three actions because I did leave a little time for someone to update their PMs. And I didn't want to get killed on the back end.

On the front end, I wanted to have the best opportunity to get to the jail before someone else did in front of me that I didn't trust. Ardent says that he has the money and I didn't want to arrive on AP3 only to find that he had already bribed the official in front of me. I'm not sure how a tie-breaker would work on this, but I'm quite sure how this would work if I'm one AP behind.

Well, that's certainly a surprise. I didn't catch this post earlier.

But didn't barkeep say that 2 people could view the evidence?

Looking for the post now.

Here's the post I was talking about.

Ok I'm waiting for a couple people to get back to me with the specifics of how they move, so no actions until closer to the "true" start of Monring at 9 Eastern; might not be til 9:30 depending. You may start voting, however.

If they haven't gotten back to me by morning I will roll a dice to decide how they move as people have now realized that there can be some importance in that.

If that is the case then the more the merrier. But if this is interpreted the way you expect then I probably should have taken the opportunity to hide on AP1.

KWhit has the rule correct. It was previously unclear but has now been clarified in the rules.

Shoot, was really hoping that this was going up tonight.

I'm out for a big portion of tomorrow. I have to travel into Indiana to meet with an adoption agency and I won't be back until early evening.

I sent two messages to Barkeep this evening. He should post one of them, based on the findings from the bribe, with results tomorrow on my behalf.

I sent KWhit 2 GP before I read any of this. Anyway, if your spidey sense went off when you read that AE had 4 GP, shouldn't ours being going off that you do too? Or did someone send you gold?

The issue was with AE's action point usage. He shouldn't have had the APs remaining to get 4 gps.

Either Barkeep made a mistake, or AE is lying and he's fleet of foot (or he's lying about how much gold he has or what his true actions were).

Desnudo, I posted my actions on Day 1 in Post #690. I have people who can confirm my first two moves and a 3rd party who seems to support the idea that I would have accumulated sufficient gold in the spot where I stated that I dug three times.

When we got wind that there was something fishy with the Day 1 movements posted by AE I decided that I wanted to push ahead with this action, even when I knew that I wasn't going to be around much tomorrow.

After last game I was trying to be a little less controversial on Day 1, but it felt like things were headed in a bad direction. So I acted.

You will have plenty of time to second-guess me come tomorrow after the results are up. I accept that. And if you want to start now before results are up I can't stop you ....

You are being adopted? :D in all OOG seriousness, best of luck.

back in game, i dont think this needs alot of thought on my part, or explanation, except from Ardent

vote Ardent Enthusiast

In all OOG non-seriousness, I'm surprised that no one on this board has adopted me yet.

Actually have two agencies to see tomorrow, first in Chicago at 8:30 AM and the second in Indianapolis at 3PM. Then the drive home ... hope that I'm around for the deadline. But my vote was included in the message I sent Barkeep.

Also, if people don't mind doing it during the evening cycle I would appreciate whatever help feel they can provide on the 4 GP cost to bribe the official. Heck, just go to the square I specified earlier to get the gold back :)

I would rather people do this during the afternoon/evening so it doesn't cost anyone movement points during the day cycle if they are moved by my sudden poverty. In all seriousness, spending 4 GP today and not having many actions to get funds back will put me a little behind in the race.

depending on how my dig went today, i will be able to give you at least 1 provided we are both still alive.

Just doing a little follow-up. If you call someone out for something that seems out of the ordinary, I think you should be willing to subject yourself to the scrutiny.

Meaning that you called him having 4 gp suspicious and then come out with the same amount yourself. Although having read the whole lead up, I think AE got caught with his pants down.

Vote Ardent Enthusiast

Not that I'm aware of yet.

I just put in my moves, sorry for the delay. I forgot about the 11 Eastern and thought I had until later, then got caught up with some family stuff.

Hoops, I can verify that you should be able to make the ID based on your morning move. I will also be glad to give you a GP assuming that I am alive after the morning.

LMAO. I agree too.

Vote Ardent Enthusiast

I'd think Barkeep would let everyone know if there was a mistake on his end, so I'm finding AE's moves odd.

i have a little bit of a problem buying into the idea that barkeep wrote up a rule set that you have to be a member of mensa to understand, and then screwed it up himself the first day. and des, the issue isnt with the 4gp that AE says he has, it has to do with the fact that he would have needed 6 AP to get it, and his best explanation is "barkeep must have made a mistake"

I know, that's why I voted for him. The 4 gp question I put to Hoops because he said that the fact that AE had 4 gp made him suspicious, but then had that same amount available himself.

Ugh, I didn't realize that our afternoon actions were due at 11 EST, or I would have already put them in -- sorry if I caused a delay guys. Work was hell tonight.

Not sure what to make of AE...I'll be curious to see what happens this afternoon.

Since I brought up the AP flaw, I thought I would bring up a way that AE could be correct. If Barkeep did take 2 APs for crossing the river, AE would still have an AP to get his first dig order in. He could have gotten the 4 gold with that one dig and Ardent thinking that his orders were correct would assume that he dug twice.

Which makes me throw out this question, did anyone else dig twice in the same square during morning 1? If so, when you received you results were you given a total amount of gold or were you told how much gold each dig action brought up?

I only dug once so I have no idea what message you would get if you dig in the same spot twice.

I work today from 11:30 AM until probably around 4:00 PM (Pacific Time), and I'll probably be asleep until about 11:00 AM. Continuing the 'probably' theme, I'll probably catch up, post some nonsensical bogusness while I'm tired, and make myself late to work in the process. I'll then see if I can get off work early to check out what's going on in the game. But in case I really am at work for that long, and I DON'T make myself late for work to continue playing this game, that's why I'm gone :)

I dug three times in the same square on Day 1. The message I got indicated the total amount of gold, not that I received the same amount on each and every one of my digs.

However, the rules indicate that you will receive a uniform amount of gold each time you dig in a square.

Desnudo, here is where I was a little nervous on AE although I didn't fully express this at the time:

1.) We are looking for an agreed upon safe person to report the info on Blade after the bribe
2.) We are setting up a plan where we are giving money to this person
3.) I bring AE up as an option in my list of three people
4.) AE then says "I have all the money, I can make this easy for us"

While I appreciate the fact that someone wants to make it easy for us, I was a little nervous at the time because that made it more convenient to select him. The thought was "If Blade is a pirate, then the pirates need their guy to be the one viewing him". So I was just a little nervous that the guy that I had put in the list was now making it easy.

It was a little bit of trying to cover my own ass, I guess. If we found out later that AE was a pirate I didn't want that linkage back to me. And then when he looked suspicious I felt that pressure even more intensely. Which is why I decided to make my move - brive the official myself, publish my information on Day 1 movements, and see if I could reassert control of my destiny a little bit.

I generally play the game as a consensus-builder. This was a time where I felt that there wasn't sufficient time to build a new plan without giving an advantage to the pirates.

Anyways, that is the best explanation that I can offer on why the "spidey sense" was going off. Mainly self-preservation instincts more than not thinking that anyone could have 4 GP from Day 1. Obviously I knew that was entirely possible.

While it is costly, I find it a shame we can't send two to view...then two to use Mike's Messenging service to state to everyone the findings (I'm assuming you can only PM /1/ person).

nice taz, i get busy with team India at work and you claim credit for noticing what i knew instantly, but didnt have a chance to post :rolleyes:

any way, the BS aspect of this is that i dug the same square, and only got 2 GP, plus he says her dug 2x for 2gp each dig. if all digs in the same square yield the same amount of gold, then he should have had 2 not 4.

Interesting.

The only other possibility is that the square gives 2gp per turn yield allowing AE to get 4gp in two digs, but ran out of gold after your first turn of digging.

I would imagine your PM would give some indication of that though.

Just wanted to follow up on this. I hid on the first action and therefore you couldn't find me. You should still have your 2gp.

I just wanted to make sure that:
1) You actually do still have your gp and there wasn't a mistake somewhere.
2) I'm not a prime target of the pirates because they think I'm rich, rich, rich!


;)

Authorities were shocked to learn today that there was another murder on Blahoop. This time the victim was Desnudo who was found in square E5. The authorities say that the crime scene was quite bloody, but are refusing to comment further officially.

Unofficially one officer said "We don't really know what we're doing. I mean there's never been a murder here unless you count the time Cootie Caryn shot her husband for taking her dominios."

Officials say that they are not concerned that Blade was released from jail yesterday either.

"The man just didn't belong there," one police officer said.

Shady enters your Hut.

"Hmm we're missing quite a few people aren't we. I wonder where Grammaticus and Alan T are. A shame that they are going to miss out on this!"

Shady holds up an envelope.

"This here boys is your TICKET! If you think things are going poorly this has just the ticket you need."

Shady puts the envelope back in his pocket.

"Bidding is now open."

Shame about Deadnudo...seem'd to 'ave more sense than most. Me I wents SW, didn't bump into anyone, but damned if I wasn't follow'd. Lost whoever it was, but they'd better come clean. Next time, I'll be whackin' them with my pioneer hat.

On behalf of Hoops:


Hoops revelation reminded me that I should have mentioned in the news that Blade was released from jail.

Crap. Lost Desnudo. That sucks.

Alan and Gramm are camping out.

And I wonder what the ticket is. Get out of jail free card?

WOOT...got one...how do we kill him?

Blade was released!!?!?!?

Shit!

But I knew he was a pirate! At least we IDed one of them.

Vote Blade.

Why would law abiding treasure hunters kill someone? No no. You just will just have the police arrest them and let them deal with it.

I don't think we can unless we buy the gun.

We have to vote Blade back into the jail.

So you have to go to jail twice before you are lynched?

It sounds like there is no "lynch." It's just sending them to jail.

Well one of the pirates can bail one out, which is what I'm assuming happened. So it may be worthless putting Blade back in until we figure out who else is a pirate.

No way. If we trust hoops (and I do), then the only course of action in my mind is to put Blade back in the hoosegow.

Then we can get somebody to watch him if we want to ensure that he isn't broken out again.

Or.....

Thinking out of the box:
But it may be a decent strategy to just let the pirates keep breaking hi out if they want. It uses up AP and gold for them and would allow us to increase our amount of gold while they spin their wheels breaking him out every night.

They break him out - we put him back in.

Rinse, repeat, until they stop breaking him out or until we get 100 gp.

The issue here is that we won't find any more pirates, and I strongly suspect that AE is one now. But if we just want to try to race to 100gp, it might not matter.

Well I'm a placin' a trust in y'u and that there Hoops. Yer both clear in m'mind, though I don't fancy yer diggin up me gold.

Still not liking RA, but I'll let him simmer enough to ignore me, til he proves himself useful.

As for ArdvarkEnthusiast, fair deal in mah book that he's bad news and sh'ld be put in tha clink.

Vote Blade

I 'new sporkyhead was bad news, enjoy the bars again butterknife!

It's too quiet in here.

I've explained myself the best I can. I've shown you the PMs I sent. I didn't mention any fleet of foot thing in my PMs because I didn't need to.I am not the athlete. I am not a pirate.

Something happened. Barkeep flubbed, maybe. He's done it once with the PM he sent to pennywisesb.

That said, I'm done. I won't mess with this game anymore. I'm not going to get frustrated in this game by trying to convince you otherwise.

Good luck, and I hope one of you is happy with the gold I sent you.

:confused:

I think they may only be able to bail him out for free once:

Swashbuckler role: Friend with the Foes -- This Pirate through his debonair attitude will once per game be able to bail any person out of jail, including himself, for free.

So -- if they want to keep bailing him out, it's going to get a lot tougher for them to hire mercenaries.

Woot! I knew he was bad.

VOTE BLADE

Well, I don't know how to respond to that. Dude, it's a game. And really, you've been playing this long enough to know that the suspicion of you is perfectly legit from our viewpoint.

So, what about Desnudo? He was found to the SE in E5. Anyone see him?

Only person I saw this turn was Grammaticus as I moved to D3.

I went west this time and did not see anyone. Great job on tagging Blade as a pirate Hoops. Looks as though we could possibly be on to two different pirates by the end of day 2! Keep it up.

Vote Blade

I like KWit's plan. If they have to keep wasting AP to bail Blade out, plus us GPs, I think it will become alot safer around here, especially in the far out regions.....

*us=use

Hoops is lying to you guys, im good...ive gone through this like 20 times...if you dont believe barkeep you will never believe me...he obviously is a pirate who never viewed me and just said i was a pirate to cover himself up. I know hes lying, barkeep basically said he was, and you should all listen to me.

VOTE HOOPSGUY

And i would like to thank the person that freed me. I knew my trust in you wasnt unfounded yesterday...hopefully i can help a bit today before they wrongfully jail me again

Blade, you're off your usual game here. There's so much wrong with that:

1) It costs 7 GP to bail someone out -- I don't believe anyone had that much money after day 1.
2) The only other person who could have bailed you out was the swashbuckler pirate -- who is either you or would only do it if you were a fellow pirate.
3) You STILL haven't explained what you really did morning 1.

Do I really need to go on? :rolleyes:

B




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vote blade

Bullpuke, the only one that could free ya would'a been the pirate, or someone with 7 gold, and even 1 piece o' lint be too good to set you go. You go right back in tha brig.

heres my take on blade....he is doing exactly what he did last game....asking us to believe a bunch of crap that we have absolutley no way of confirming (what square sun was actually in) while spouting about his tremendous importance to us, and how much of a mistake we are all making....how much does the gun cost?

Not at all, you are set in your ways and thats all fine and dandy. College has dramatically interefered with my game this time, and i wont be in the next one at the least...i didnt study the rules the way i should have and made a mistake. Im just telling you what you should really be doing...You should lynch hoops(i know he is after last night) and kwhit(i just know he is too)....you should stay away from kingfc and schmidty...just telling you so when you realize whats going on you guys have a direct path to follow instead of running around all confused.

So it looks like either Blade is the swashbuckler and set himself free, or the swashbuckler set him free and a third pirate followed Desnudo in the opposite direction from the jail and killed him. I'm not sure if they would have been able to double back after freeing Blade and get Des.

How about anyone who moved west toward the police station? Did you see anyone? It may be the swashbuckler.....

It would be a really really bad strategy for a TH to unilaterally release Blade even if he knew Blade was a good guy. The fact that he's running free tells me even more certainly that he is a pirate.

Why? Because now we're just going to vote him back in. If a TH knows that Blade is good and that's why he freed him, come forward with everything you know NOW or we're gonna waste a vote.

Otherwise, Blade goes back in the clink.

What do you mean by this?

Exactly what mistake did you make?

I didnt want the wolves to know what i actually did, so i said i dug 3 times and used my actual gold total of 1. I had never read that each dig got the same amount of gold or i would have said i got 3. Rookie mistake, i made it, and im paying the price.

But you still haven't explained what you did.

ooc: Blade reminds me of Blair in The Thing...

There are a few probabilities to Blade's release:

1. Blade afforded bail
2. A fellow Treasure Hunter afforded bail
3. Swashbuckler freed him
4. Blade freed himself

I doubt #1, I strongly doubt #2...wouldn't he know who set bail for him? #4 present the case that Blade is the Swashbuckler; #3 implicates Blade as a pirate /unless/ the Pirates freed him to cause suspicion and make us waste another day voting him back in the brig.

The fly in the ointment is that we have Hoops stating what he is.

So now, we have to decide whether Hoops is forthright, or that Blade is.

There really wasn't much any of us could do on day 1 that needed to be such a big secret from the pirates. We didn't have any money or equipment. So you watched someone, or hid or dug if you were a treasure hunter.

That's why your secrecy is what damned you, especially when you said you were just an athlete.

And again, you still haven't said what exactly you did. So in my mind the only big secret you could have had is that you killed Sun.

AP1:HIDE
AP2:MOVE to C5
AP:HIDE
AP4:Watch anyone in C5(conditional order)
AP5:DIG

I got 1 gold, on my AP4 watch i saw Sndvls moving to C6, with someone behind him aways...that how i know he died in C6, as he moved there on AP4. While watching sndvls i saw the person following(not his identity) and someone else in C5...that person has STILL not spoken up, which i find utterly hilarious now. I got 1 dig from my 1 gold.

And barkeep told me by PM i couldnt HIDE twice again after i took these actions. He posted it in thread as well. I figured the Scourge role wouldnt be able to kill me if i kept hiding, and apparently barkeep agreed

Yep.

This is a no-brainer.

I never thought of this. If, and its a big if, Hoops is in fact bad, this play would make a ton of sense for the pirates. No one has officially cleared hoops yet as far as I can remember, so maybe we should be very careful trusting him. I think Blade is obviously trying to pull something again, but I just wanted to point out the other side of the coin. I don't want to get trapped trusting Hoops to the point that he takes us all for a ride if the above scenario is true. Any thoughts?

The problem is...that you can only free once as the swashbuckler, and as for pooling the cash for 7 gp, it seems somewhat strange to do so...

Bullshit.

Why is this such a big secret that you lied repeatedly to cover up your actions? There is nothing in that list of actions taht is any use to anyone.

And it still makes no sense for a TH to free you. None. A pirate had to free you or you freed yourself.

And someone finally starts to understand what ive been saying all along

Give credit where credit is due...I posted it...but let's face it...you are Blair...now I gotta find Palmer and Norris.

I DIDNT WANT THE SCOURGE TO KNOW I WAS DOUBLE HIDING...it made me invicible to night kill, which barkeep has since made a rule against...Is that so hard to understand? Not wanting the wolves to know you figured out a way to beat them

Whos blair?

It's certainly possible that hoops is bad, but it would be a huge gamble for him to put himself on the line like this just to cause some suspicion for 1 night. I don't think a pirate would feel that it was worth the risk.

except that hoops was a last minute replacement, that we wouldnt have used if not for the fact that ardent tripped up too.

I agree, and I want to make it noted that I don't necessarily believe thats what happened, I just wanted to elaborate on Quik's thoughts and to make sure that everyone knows there is another possibility.

dola, would you have us believe that hoops and ardent coordinated that? just so hoops could then step in at the last minute and free you.that would mean hoops and ardent are both pirates, and while i am pretty sure ardent is, i dont think hoops would make that kind of a blatant play this early.

Ya, what would a wolf have to gain from stepping in at the last second and being the savior of the night action, AND nailing what he says is a wolf...why would that appeal to a wolf? It just doesnt make any sense ;) :rolleyes:

Why wouldn't you want to share that with all of the TH if it was such a great strategy?

Think about it, the wolves can pick any of the 5 AP to kill...on day one they killed sndvls with AP5...telling you all to hide would make them be creative with their killings...i didnt want them to know i was on to something, and would slowly reveal it to people i trusted by getting walkie talkies

I've been thinking about this. If hoops is bad he's playing it very well. All I know about hoops is that he saw where I was at on morning 1 and apparently was in the same spot (F6), since he zeroed in on how much gold the square produced per dig without anyone giving the rate. That leads me to believe he wasn't involved in Sun's death (B6).

Obviously that doesn't clear him as a pirate, just for that morning.

Too bad we can't verify roles on people who haven't been arrested.

i never said it didnt make sense, i said that there is no way hoops could have known it would have been necessary....he had no reason to cancel the original plan and put himself in the evidence room until i gave it to him. so now you are gonna call me a pirate to, right.

I would mostly...i know hoops is bad becuase i know im good...if he claims he scanned evidence then i know hes lying because the evidence would show me as good. So since it looks like the ardent move set hoops up to do it then i would assume the connection. And kwhit i have been listing since everyone agreed that he would do it, then despite ardents slip which i see as having no bearing on kwhits actions, he didnt go through with it. Did kwhit ever say why? Not that i saw, he just kinda stepped aside and let hoops do it

How would you know that, pirate?

Not at all...i think Hoops is one, and if you asked me AE and kwhit are the other 2 right now...if their are 4(i dont think so with the total players) i dont know the 4th yet.

HOW IN THE BLUE HELL COULD YOU POSSIBLY KNOW THAT!!!!!

dola, mine looks cooler path.

I saw him alive on AP4...unless he was fleet of foot, he died on 5 in C6...

But mine was first. :D

Caught.

Ive explained exactly how i know that...you can ignore it...i keep giving you guys information to link myself to the crime(being one square away, knowing his actual death location, and knowing what AP he died on)...a wolf would distance himself from the murder, i keep drawing closer...come on boys, think

Can the other person who was in C5 at least confirm it was 1 gold per dig?

again, i call BS.

unless blade gets special PM's for his days activities, they dont give a point by point breakdown of the day...they just give a synopsis like "you found x gold" not buying it.....and why cant i find in the rules where i can go to buy that damn gun!

DID YOU WATCH ANYONE?? DO it tonight, and you will be notified of your results..i watched on AP4, so i was told...come on saldana, why would barkeep have me watch and then not tell me the results?