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Edward64 04-26-2023 08:37 AM

Biden's report card. See link for rationale & details

Here's where Biden's 2020 campaign promises currently stand - POLITICO
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1. Combatting Covid-19
GRADE: KEPT HIS PROMISE

What Biden pledged: “When I’m elected your president, I’m going to act, and I’m going to act on day one. Folks, we’re going to act to get this Covid under control. … I’m never going to raise the white flag and surrender. We’re going to beat this virus. We’re going to get it under control, I promise you.”
Agree

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2. Rebuilding the economy
GRADE: KEPT HIS PROMISE

What Biden pledged: “We’re going to invest in infrastructure, clean energy and manufacturing, and so much more. We’ll create millions of good paying American jobs and get the job market back in the path to full employment.”
I guess he actually did accomplish all in the quote above. But the economy is obviously still shaky so using the Politico scale, I'd called this In Progress vs Kept His Promise.

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3. Ending gun violence
GRADE: STALLED

What Biden pledged: “No one needs an AR-15. … I promise you, I will get these weapons of war off the street again and out of our communities.”
Okay with this but I could also go with Broke His Promise.

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4. Restoring U.S. leadership abroad
GRADE: KEPT HIS PROMISE

What Biden pledged: “As president, I will ensure that democracy is once again the watchword of U.S. foreign policy, not to launch some moral crusade, but because it’s in our enlightened self-interest. We have to restore our ability to rally the free world so we can once more make a stand upon new fields of action together to face new challenges.”
Agree

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5. Strengthening voting rights
GRADE: STALLED

What Biden pledged: “One thing the Senate and the president can do right away is pass the bill to restore the Voting Rights Act. … If they don’t, I’ve been saying all along, it’s one of the first things I’ll do as president if elected. We can’t let the fundamental right to vote be denied.”
Agree

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6. Protecting access to abortion
GRADE: IN PROGRESS

What Biden pledged: “We’re in a situation where I would codify Roe v. Wade as defined by Casey. It should be the law, and there’s no reason why, if the Supreme Court makes the judgment that everybody’s worried about with these appeals going to the Supreme Court, that in exchange, I would codify Roe v. Wade and Casey.”
Agree but it's on the precipice of Broke His Promise.

Has there been any movement to codify Roe v. Wade?

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7. Expanding health care
GRADE: KEPT HIS PROMISE

What Biden pledged: “I’ll not only restore Obamacare, I’ll build on it. … I’m going to increase subsidies to lower your premiums, deductibles, out-of-pocket expenses, out-of-pocket spending, surprise billing. I’m going to lower prescription drugs by 60 percent, and that’s the truth.”
Agree

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8. Overhauling immigration policies
GRADE: BROKE HIS PROMISE

What Biden pledged: “We’re going to restore our moral standing in the world and our historic role as a safe haven for refugees and asylum seekers, and those fleeing violence and persecution.”
Agree.

Things change when you become POTUS. Start the discussions now and hopefully a 2nd term priority.

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9. Tackling climate change
GRADE: KEPT HIS PROMISE

What Biden pledged: “My time table for results is my first four years as president, the jobs that we’ll create, the investments we’ll make, and the irreversible steps we’ll take to mitigate and adapt to the climate change and put our nation on the road to net zero emissions no later than 2050.”

Agree, think IRA was pretty good but could also go with In Progress.

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10. Expanding child and elder care access
GRADE: STALLED

What Biden pledged: “My childcare plan is straightforward, straightforward. Every 3- and 4-year-old child will get access to free high quality preschool like students have here. And low- and middle-income families won’t spend more than 7 percent of their income on childcare for children under the age of five.”
Agree but not for lack of trying. Early casualty of the IRA compromise.

Edward64 04-26-2023 01:34 PM

Looks like McCarthy will get enough support for this GOP Debt bill with a floor vote today or very soon.

Now the negotiations (and/or playing chicken) starts.

I had read earlier that July'ish was the deadline. But now possibly "early June" because tax receipts were less than expected. Fun times ahead.

Chances that US could default on its debt in early June grow amid weak tax collections | CNN Politics
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It’s growing more likely that the US could default on its debt as soon as early June if Congress doesn’t act, according to a trio of new analyses.

That’s because tax receipts are running much weaker than expected so far this season. The Treasury Department is counting on that infusion of funds, along with several “extraordinary measures,” to continue paying the federal government’s bills in full and on time until lawmakers raise or suspend the debt ceiling.


albionmoonlight 04-26-2023 01:49 PM

I never liked that the Dem house drafted bills in secret and then just had a vote.

The GOP constantly (and correctly) complained about that and promised to do better.

They, unsurprisingly, lied.

RainMaker 04-26-2023 10:58 PM

Will be interesting to see how it plays out in the Senate. With Feinstein MIA, it comes down to Manchin and Sinema again.

RainMaker 04-27-2023 04:54 PM

Well it's not going well.....

Edward64 04-27-2023 06:42 PM

Nice! Not good singing but what a performance (check out the video).

I'm guessing from karaoke in his younger years.

South Korean president woos White House with ‘American Pie’ rendition - POLITICO
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South Korean President Yoon Suk Yeol brought the White House down with his surprise rendition of Don McLean’s “American Pie” Wednesday night.
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“Long, long time ago,” he sang, immediately drawing shouts, applause and fist pumps from President Joe Biden. Despite asking Yoon to perform the song moments before, Biden looked around the room in apparent disbelief, pointing to the South Korean leader in approval.

“I had no damn idea you could sing,” Biden said afterwards.

Lathum 04-27-2023 07:17 PM

Karaoke is hugely popular in parts of Asia

Edward64 04-28-2023 08:58 AM

Hope he wasn't joking, I'm sure the offer will be accepted. It would be fun to see this happen.

Don McLean offers duet with South Korean president who sang 'American Pie' to Biden | CNN
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The legendary singer later told CNN that he had big plans for the South Korean leader.

“I intend to go over to South Korea next year and sing it with the president, so that’s probably going to be another news story,” McLean joked on Thursday. “He wanted me at the White House to sing the song, but I’m in Australia right now on tour.”
I've not heard of it as alchemy before but his description is apt.

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“I get a kick out of the fact that the song is still alive,” he added. “Musicians are dealing with a thing called alchemy, we deal in magic, and some of the things that we do fall on their face, and others if we’re very fortunate are magical and live forever.”

flere-imsaho 04-28-2023 01:11 PM

Since WWII, only 3 sitting VPs have run for POTUS following a 2-term President: Nixon, HW Bush, and Gore.

All three of Nixon, HW Bush, and Gore benefited from their predecessors' administrations polling in the high-50s/low-60s for approval rating at around the start of the primary season, but still, one win, two losses.

So, there's not a lot of precedent for Harris for us to go on. In addition, all three of the above had run national campaigns before and had political careers far more extensive than Harris' when they came to the VPOTUS role.

It's of course different if Biden dies and Harris runs as the incumbent in 2028, but that's effectively what happened in 1976 and although there was a temporary setback for the GOP, they then held the Oval Office for 3 terms.

There's just a ton of variables in play.

GrantDawg 04-28-2023 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by flere-imsaho (Post 3400069)
Since WWII, only 3 sitting VPs have run for POTUS following a 2-term President: Nixon, HW Bush, and Gore.

All three of Nixon, HW Bush, and Gore benefited from their predecessors' administrations polling in the high-50s/low-60s for approval rating at around the start of the primary season, but still, one win, two losses.

So, there's not a lot of precedent for Harris for us to go on. In addition, all three of the above had run national campaigns before and had political careers far more extensive than Harris' when they came to the VPOTUS role.

It's of course different if Biden dies and Harris runs as the incumbent in 2028, but that's effectively what happened in 1976 and although there was a temporary setback for the GOP, they then held the Oval Office for 3 terms.

There's just a ton of variables in play.

All three won the nomination, though. Of course Harris might not, but the party apparatus is definitely going to be hers from the jump. And if she is already President, it is a particle guarantee she has the nomination.

cuervo72 04-28-2023 04:06 PM

Eh, I dunno. Ford barely held onto the nomination in '76. Granted, many argue that Reagan hurt Ford's chances in the general which may serve as a warning, but I don't know that it's a lock, especially if such a term didn't go smoothly.

Edward64 04-29-2023 09:31 AM

On the SCOTUS leaker, will they name a name(s) or say "... came from office of"?

I wouldn't be surprised if it was a justice; or a staffer who did it without knowledge of the justice; or a staffer that did it with a justice's blessing but who has enough plausible deniability.

Justice Alito says he has 'pretty good idea' who was behind leak of draft abortion opinion | CNN Politics
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Justice Samuel Alito said that he has a “pretty good idea” who was responsible for the unprecedented disclosure of a draft opinion of a Supreme Court ruling last year, suggesting it was someone who opposed reversing the Roe v. Wade precedent that protected abortion rights nationwide.

In an interview published Friday by The Wall Street Journal in its opinion section, Alito dismissed the idea that the draft was leaked by one of the five conservative justices who were in the majority of the ruling.

“That’s infuriating to me,” Alito said of the speculation. “Look, this made us targets of assassination. Would I do that to myself? Would the five of us have done that to ourselves? It’s quite implausible.”

He acknowledged in the interview, which took place in mid-April, that he didn’t have the level of proof about who was behind the leak that would make it appropriate to name the person he thinks was responsible. The final opinion overturning Roe in Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization largely tracked with the draft.

Flasch186 04-29-2023 10:48 AM

The Biden Presidency - 2020
 
So he’s worried that someone in the general public might try to assassinate one of them based on their ideological view? Hmmmm where have I heard that before that some extremist might cause violence against someone that is made the target of words?


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HerRealName 04-29-2023 10:51 AM

It obviously came on Alito or Thomas' side. They'll never announce that.

Edward64 05-01-2023 08:59 AM

There's a SS Fairness Act that seems to have bipartisanship support. Doesn't address the broader issue and may well make it more complicated.

But it does address an issue my wife has.

She has a complicated SS situation. She's had SS taken out as a regular employee, she's had SS taken out as a teacher, she's had SS not taken out as a teacher (different county), she is eligible for 50% of my SS via spousal benefit, she's worked enough quarters to get SS on her own, and she has her own teacher TRS pension.

With current laws, there is an offset/proration where she won't get her full SS and full pension. Simple example is 1+1 = 1.5. I think the proposed legislation below will resolve that and make it 1+1 = 2.

I read somewhere its like $80B over 10 years. TBH I am unsure this is a good bill or just pork.

Collins, Brown Introduce Bipartisan Bill... | U.S. Senator Susan Collins
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U.S. Senators Susan Collins (R-ME) and Sherrod Brown (D-OH) led a group of colleagues in introducing legislation that would ensure public sector workers and their families can receive full Social Security benefits after two previous statutes reduced them. The Social Security Fairness Act would repeal the Windfall Elimination Provision (WEP) and the Government Pension Offset (GPO) from the Social Security Act.

JPhillips 05-01-2023 10:04 AM

SCOTUS agrees to take a case on Chevron deference and Justice Jackson recuses herself. That's the end of the regulatory apparatus.

sterlingice 05-01-2023 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3400339)
SCOTUS agrees to take a case on Chevron deference and Justice Jackson recuses herself. That's the end of the regulatory apparatus.



This will be one of those rulings talked about in history books, if we still have them. Actually, they'll be corporate textbooks because the government won't be able to regulate anything unless Congress explicitly says it. Because, you know, if the government created an agency to regulate, say, education, they can't make specific rules about it -only enforce the ones that Congress explicitly states. Sigh. This is somewhat under the radar but is going to be awful.



SI

Flasch186 05-01-2023 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by sterlingice (Post 3400341)
This will be one of those rulings talked about in history books, if we still have them. Actually, they'll be corporate textbooks because the government won't be able to regulate anything unless Congress explicitly says it. Because, you know, if the government created an agency to regulate, say, education, they can't make specific rules about it -only enforce the ones that Congress explicitly states. Sigh. This is somewhat under the radar but is going to be awful.



SI


Why did she recuse herself when no one else is going to ever again... One party plays by the rules, one uses the rules to take advantage of the field. SMH

Edward64 05-01-2023 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Edward64 (Post 3395346)
Looks like Biden is about to get some heat next week.

I'd lean towards agreeing with decision as we move towards more renewables and buying us time.

Biden administration to approve major Alaska oil drilling project Willow | CNN Politics

The 600M barrels of oil didn't seem that big to me initially as we use 15M+ daily. But then read that Alaska has 2.4B of proven reserves which means this is relatively significant.


Interesting Biden move and not sure I agree.

I think Willow is defensible because we need to become energy independent. From what I've read, we are a already net exporter of natural gas, don't have a domestic need.

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/0...biden-00093092
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Alaska LNG, a $40 billion project proposed for the state’s south coast, would be the second major fossil fuel proposal in the state to have stalled under the Trump administration only to be resuscitated under President Joe Biden. The turnabout is delighting the state’s Republicans, who have had harsh words for most of Biden’s energy agenda, while angering climate activists already dismayed by the administration’s approval of Alaska’s Willow oil project last month.

The article refers to allies needing an alternate supply. So probably not national security but having enough to help out allies. Surprised he thought it was worth the political capital.

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Meanwhile, Russia’s invasion of Ukraine sent global energy markets into a tailspin. Japan, South Korea and European countries have scrambled to source alternative supplies of natural gas to replace what they have stopped taking from Russia. And with Alaska LNG being the only new, fully permitted gas export plant on the U.S. West Coast, Asian buyers in particular are giving the project a long look, said Frank Richards, senior vice president for project developer Alaska Gasline Development Corp.

RainMaker 05-01-2023 05:34 PM


Ksyrup 05-01-2023 06:16 PM

SHINGLES DOESN'T CARE!

Kodos 05-01-2023 06:56 PM

She needs to take on for the team and retire.

GrantDawg 05-01-2023 07:18 PM

The only problem is she thinks the team she needs to take one for is the Chicago Black Sox.

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Edward64 05-01-2023 07:24 PM

June 1 is the magic x date.

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/05/01/trea...-mccarthy.html
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Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen on Monday warned that the United States may run out of measures to pay its debt obligations by June 1, earlier than the government and Wall Street had been expecting.
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This date is earlier than Wall Street economists were expecting. Goldman Sachs’ latest estimate this week put the deadline at some point in late July, though the bank’s economists acknowledged that weaker-than-expected tax receipts could advance that timeline.
Time to get serious. It'll be interesting considering all the supposed line the sands already drawn.

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On Monday, President Joe Biden called the “big four” congressional leaders — Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer, Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, McCarthy and House Democratic Leader Hakeem Jeffries — to invite them to a May 9 meeting at the White House to discuss the debt limit, a White House official told NBC.

NobodyHere 05-01-2023 08:18 PM

I'm not a fan of a clean bill to raise the debt limit. Something needs to be added to help return the country to fiscal sanity.

On the other hand I think the Republican bill asks for too much. Also I think it was introduced far too late to have any serious negotiations.

JPhillips 05-01-2023 08:21 PM

The budget is the time for budget negotiations. Their shouldn't be any hostage taking on paying the bills that were agreed to in the budget.

NobodyHere 05-01-2023 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3400402)
The budget is the time for budget negotiations. Their shouldn't be any hostage taking on paying the bills that were agreed to in the budget.


I get that, but I'm just tired of congress kicking the can down the road and racking up even more debt.

JPhillips 05-01-2023 08:26 PM

We'll blow up the economy if you don't repeal all of your legislation isn't something that can be tolerated.

GrantDawg 05-01-2023 08:35 PM

On top of the fact, the road to the fiscal responsibility has to include major cuts to defense spending and a large increase to taxes on the top 1 percent, or it is not even serious.

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JonInMiddleGA 05-01-2023 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by GrantDawg (Post 3400405)
On top of the fact, the road to the fiscal responsibility has to include major cuts to defense spending and a large increase to taxes on the top 1 percent, or it is not even serious.

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It isn't proper reform unless it flattens the abhorrently skewed tax structure.

And one of the few justifiable expenses in the entire budget IS the defense portion (though certainly subject to being considered for efficiency).

And there is why we need to figure out the long overdue divorce. You can have your socialist paradise, I might get to have a nation worthy of continued existence, we're both a metric fuckton happier.

JPhillips 05-01-2023 09:40 PM

When you look at total tax burden, federal, state, and local, taxation is pretty close to flat.

Edward64 05-01-2023 10:23 PM

Planning to prioritize debt payments in anticipation that Jun 1 arrives is a good idea as an emergency & temporary Plan B. I guess in this way the US will default on "some" lower priority debt and not all of it. Regardless, it'll be a total cluster.

Congressional Budget Office.
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H.R. 187, Default Prevention Act

H.R. 187 would require the Treasury to prioritize payment of obligations using a five-tiered payment structure if total debt subject to limit is at the statutory maximum. Under the bill the Treasury could issue debt that would not be subject to the statutory limit in amounts that would be sufficient to meet obligations for the first tier: the principal and interest on the public debt and the obligations of Social Security and Medicare. Payment of obligations would be prioritized as follows:

Tier I would include payments for public debt, Social Security, and Medicare;

Tier II would include payments for obligations of the Departments of Defense and Veterans Affairs;

Tier III would include payments for obligations of any program not in a designated tier;

Tier IV would include payments for certain federal employee union activities, executive branch travel, and compensation of the President, Vice President and some political appointees; and

Tier V would include compensation to Members of Congress.

RainMaker 05-01-2023 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3400408)
When you look at total tax burden, federal, state, and local, taxation is pretty close to flat.


Also the fact that wealthy people are not paying income tax but capital gains if they haven't found a cozy tax haven overseas. Most billionaires barely touch double digit tax rates when we pay that alone in just FICA.

Brian Swartz 05-02-2023 03:58 AM

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Originally Posted by GrantDawg
On top of the fact, the road to the fiscal responsibility has to include major cuts to defense spending and a large increase to taxes on the top 1 percent, or it is not even serious.


There are most definitely other ways to be serious about it.

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Originally Posted by JPhillips
The budget is the time for budget negotiations. Their shouldn't be any hostage taking on paying the bills that were agreed to in the budget.


Agreed. I'm with NobodyHere on the continually escalating debt issue, but when you vote to spend money and don't vote to increase revenue to match, this is what happens.

Lathum 05-02-2023 06:50 AM

I’ve been convinced for a while the gop will purposely default to make Biden look bad. There is no depth to their depravity. They do not care about the American people and the suffering this will cause if they can score political points.

GrantDawg 05-02-2023 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 3400420)
I’ve been convinced for a while the gop will purposely default to make Biden look bad. There is no depth to their depravity. They do not care about the American people and the suffering this will cause if they can score political points.

I am positive that is the plan on the MTG side of the party. They have absolutely no intention of coming to any compromise, and that is also why they made sure McCarthy is to weak to make a move without them. What's destroy the economy to them if they see a white nationalist nation rising out of the ashes?


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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA (Post 3400406)
It isn't proper reform unless it flattens the abhorrently skewed tax structure.

And one of the few justifiable expenses in the entire budget IS the defense portion (though certainly subject to being considered for efficiency).

And there is why we need to figure out the long overdue divorce. You can have your socialist paradise, I might get to have a nation worthy of continued existence, we're both a metric fuckton happier.

I'm very far from desiring a "socialist utopia", but I do believe we as the "richest country in the world" should at least provide the basic human services that every other industrialized nation provides. As for the defense budget, that "consider for efficientcy" is exactly what I'm talking about. Way too much of that budget is going to just sheer corruption. If we had any kind of political will and a desire to improve the federal budget, someone needs to tackle a reform on the military that would cut spending while actually improving our military force. Get rid expensive weapon system that either are no longer needed or never worked in the first place. Improve life of the service men while getting rid of contractors that are paid to provide services that they don't fulfill. Having a real system of accountability for offering and serving contracts.
That is probably a bigger fantasy than an utopian socialist society.

albionmoonlight 05-02-2023 08:37 AM

Biden inviting Congressional leaders to the WH to discuss the debt ceiling.

So, Biden blinked. The GOP line was "you must negotiate." The Biden line was "we won't negotiate."

What's funny is that no one is really going to talk about it in those terms.

The Dems aren't going to trumpet Biden looking weak.

But the GOP won't trumpet it either. They called the WH bluff and won. But their whole deal is constantly feeling shat on. They can't ever admit winning because where do they go from there?

Lathum 05-02-2023 08:42 AM

We all know MTG et al don't care, which really weakens McCarthy. The question is are there 5 GOP congresspeople willing to cross the aisle to literally save the global economy?

albionmoonlight 05-02-2023 08:44 AM

I still think (and I could be really wrong about this) that the GOP does not lift the debt limit.

But everyone agrees to "suspend" the limit until some time close to the budget deadline.

And then the budget/debt limit negotiations can be the same thing. And the Dems can say that they aren't negotiating the debt limit. And the GOP can say that they used the debt limit to get what they wanted from Biden. Both sides get to save face.

Edward64 05-02-2023 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by albionmoonlight (Post 3400431)
I still think (and I could be really wrong about this) that the GOP does not lift the debt limit.

But everyone agrees to "suspend" the limit until some time close to the budget deadline.

And then the budget/debt limit negotiations can be the same thing. And the Dems can say that they aren't negotiating the debt limit. And the GOP can say that they used the debt limit to get what they wanted from Biden. Both sides get to save face.


I like this compromise.

But just as likely as the extremists take us to the very brink. Or just over it for a short period of time.

GrantDawg 05-02-2023 10:42 AM

It only takes one member of the nut job parry to call for a vote of no confidence in the Speaker. They can easily shut down any negotiation, and basically shut down the House.

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Edward64 05-02-2023 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by GrantDawg (Post 3400445)
It only takes one member of the nut job parry to call for a vote of no confidence in the Speaker. They can easily shut down any negotiation, and basically shut down the House.

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Fair likelihood a no confidence will be initiated in the next couple years, but seriously doubt the GOP extremist faction will get the assistance of the Dems, and the necessary simple majority.

Now if McCarthy ends up really pissing off the Dems, then all bets are off.

Edward64 05-02-2023 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by albionmoonlight (Post 3400431)
I still think (and I could be really wrong about this) that the GOP does not lift the debt limit.

But everyone agrees to "suspend" the limit until some time close to the budget deadline.


I'm thinking odds are the suspension will happen, don't see getting a compromise with a month left. Definitely a better Plan B than prioritizing payments and defaulting on some-but-not-all.

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/05/02/debt...rats-deal.html
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Yet moments before Schumer delivered his scathing condemnation of the House GOP bill, he entered that same bill onto the Senate calendar under a special rule that allows it to bypass the Senate committee process and move right to the floor for consideration.
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Schumer also moved a separate piece of legislation to the floor – a Democratic bill to suspend the debt limit through Dec. 31, 2024.
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There are two ways for Congress to avoid a looming debt default: The first is by voting to raise the statutory debt limit, currently set at $31.4 trillion. The second is by voting to suspend the limit for a set amount of time, essentially stopping the clock on default.

RainMaker 05-02-2023 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by NobodyHere (Post 3400403)
I get that, but I'm just tired of congress kicking the can down the road and racking up even more debt.



Defaulting on debts makes the deficit issue even worse. Country now has to borrow at much higher rates.


Also the people who were screaming about inflation the past year are the same people screaming about the deficit. Guess what is good for you if you owe people money??????

Galaril 05-02-2023 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by albionmoonlight (Post 3400429)
Biden inviting Congressional leaders to the WH to discuss the debt ceiling.

So, Biden blinked. The GOP line was "you must negotiate." The Biden line was "we won't negotiate."

What's funny is that no one is really going to talk about it in those terms.

The Dems aren't going to trumpet Biden looking weak.

But the GOP won't trumpet it either. They called the WH bluff and won. But their whole deal is constantly feeling shat on. They can't ever admit winning because where do they go from there?


I read that Biden has called them all there to say “stop fucking around” , that there is really no negotiating this and time to just suspend it for now. This would be with the idea to deal with this as part of the budget. So don’t see this as a win for Rs or Biden being weak. That being said we wil, just have to see where we are come June 1st.

RainMaker 05-02-2023 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3400339)
SCOTUS agrees to take a case on Chevron deference and Justice Jackson recuses herself. That's the end of the regulatory apparatus.


I would be moving far away from nuclear reactors.

Brian Swartz 05-03-2023 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker
the people who were screaming about inflation the past year are the same people screaming about the deficit. Guess what is good for you if you owe people money??????


This is one of the weaker attempts at a gotcha that I've read in a while. Yes it's better to be able to pay back debts in cheaper dollars, but the effect on inflation on the economy is far worse than the benefit of servicing debt cheaper. I think we have enough examples of governments printing money to deal with debt and the utter disaster that causes.

Any sensible way out of excessive deficit spending is always going to be about not exceeding our means by such absurd amounts.

sterlingice 05-03-2023 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 3400496)
I would be moving far away from nuclear reactors.



I'm cool when the entire east side of Houston is oil refineries, right? I'm sure those companies will self-regulate properly. It's not like people don't routinely die there already.

And the Food and Drug Administration doesn't need to check food or drugs, except ones explicitly stated in the initial bill establishing them.

And so on and so forth

SI

cuervo72 05-03-2023 09:14 AM

Hey, it's been at least a week since I've seen a report of an explosion in Texas.

JPhillips 05-03-2023 09:59 AM

Best case is they make it impossible to regulate anything going forward. Worst case is they make every current regulation subject to a judge's whim.

This is the way to gut everything the far right hates, environmental regs, Obamacare, vaccines, anti-discrimination regs, etc.

Edward64 05-03-2023 11:12 AM

Couple efforts to restrict Congress in stock trading. They should do something. All in all, the second option of a blind trust seems more fair to me.

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Finally, the far left and far right have found something they can agree on.

Socialist Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY) and firebrand Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-Fla.) are co-sponsoring a bill to restrict members of Congress from owning or trading stocks.

H.R. 3003, also sponsored by moderate Rep. Brian Fitzpatrick (R-Pa.) and progressive Rep. Raja Krishnamoorthi (D-Ill.), would prohibit congressional spouses and other dependents from owning or trading stock as well.
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Another bipartisan bill introduced by Reps. Abigail Spanberger (D-Va.) and Chip Roy (R-Texas), known as the TRUST in Congress Act, would require members of Congress, their spouses and dependents to place investments into blind trusts until after they leave office.
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“Her TRUST in Congress Act continues to gain steam — with more than 55 Republicans and Democrats now supporting her bill. And in the wake of lawmaker trades related to Silicon Valley Bank and First Republic Bank, Rep. Spanberger’s office is seeing more interest from lawmakers who want to join her push.”

NobodyHere 05-03-2023 11:21 AM

I think all congressmen should only be allowed to invest in a blind trust.

With that said, what exactly is the enforcement mechanism in this bill? What happens when a congressmen is caught trading stocks. Will it just be a simple fine? A censure? Expulsion? And will be apply fairly to Rs Ds and Is fairly no matter who is in power?

It would probably be as big a farce as Clarence Thomas's financial disclosure forms.

albionmoonlight 05-03-2023 11:54 AM

The enforcement is the key.

Rep. X gets duly elected and say "No. I won't do that."

Then what?

Kodos 05-03-2023 12:36 PM

Put them in the Iron Maiden!

JPhillips 05-03-2023 09:09 PM

The "assassination" video released by the Russians is fucking ridiculous. Putin wasn't even in the Kremlin when the "drone attack" happened.

Lathum 05-03-2023 09:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3400634)
The "assassination" video released by the Russians is fucking ridiculous. Putin wasn't even in the Kremlin when the "drone attack" happened.


Crazy they think anyone will fall for that

JPhillips 05-04-2023 07:38 AM

Turns out Harlan Crowe paid the private-school tuition for Clarence Thomas's son(really a grand-nephew, but he called him a son).

edit: OMG. Harlan's statement:

Quote:

“Harlan Crow has long been passionate about the importance of quality education and giving back to those less fortunate, especially at-risk youth."

Mota 05-04-2023 08:11 AM

Shouldn't a judge have rules to ensure they are free of "influence"? Seems like Clarence has a lineup of people that have influence over him. You'd like being a surpreme court judge that he'd be getting paid enough to send his son to school.

Edward64 05-04-2023 08:57 AM

I can be convinced otherwise, but I'm leaning towards this is breaking the spirit of Biden's "no new taxes < $400K" rule.

It does seem that people with better credit will pay more while people with lesser credit will pay less, and the inference is people with better credit is subsidizing for people with lesser credit. I actually don't mind lesser credit paying less (with the necessary approval process rigor e.g. no Ninja loans) but let's not do it at the same time as higher credit paying more ... give it 6-12 months in between.

Housing: How a new rule is prompting criticism borrowers with good credit are being penalized
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New pricing for federally guaranteed mortgages has sparked criticism in recent weeks, prompting claims that borrowers with higher credit scores will subsidize those with lower credit through higher fees

With a new rule, the Federal Housing Finance Agency updated its upfront fees for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac mortgages, which would raise mortgage fees for some while lowering them for others.
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On a conventional 30-year loan of $400,000, the upfront fees could add up to $42 per month for borrowers with a credit score above 780, Freddie Mac data showed.

Some borrowers with higher credit scores and down payments could see fees increase between 5 and 25 basis points, according to an analysis from the Mortgage Bankers Association.

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Financial officers in 27 states recently wrote an open letter to the White House asking President Biden to rescind the new rule, saying the fees will make it significantly more expensive for borrowers with good credit to purchase a home.

“In other words, the policy will take money away from the people who played by the rules and did things right – including millions of hardworking, middle-class Americans who built a good credit score and saved enough to make a strong down payment,” the letter read.
Weird doublespeak here. I may be missing a nuance though. Maybe it's not higher rates but higher closing costs? Same difference

Quote:

“Good credit borrowers are not being offered higher rates than lower credit borrowers. FHFA’s new pricing just means that they are not getting as big of a break on their rate as before,” MBA said.

Ksyrup 05-04-2023 09:15 AM

The next place this shows up is going to be credit card transaction fees. There's a similar line of thought that poor people are subsidizing rich people's use of credit cards for transactions because most retail prices take into account the vast number of credit card transactions and the 2-3% transaction fees retailers pay. So your poor guy paying in cash is subsidizing the rich guy's use of credit cards.

There are some places (mostly services like HVAC, flooring, landscaping, etc.) where I've seen companies add that credit card fee on top of the price if you insist on paying by credit card instead of cash/check, but most retailers don't separate it out. But I think you're going to see some form of transfer of that payment obligation to people more likely to use credit cards. I'm not sure exactly what form that will take though.

sterlingice 05-04-2023 09:31 AM

A lot of restaurants already do this. Gas stations, too.


SI

albionmoonlight 05-04-2023 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Ksyrup (Post 3400679)
The next place this shows up is going to be credit card transaction fees. There's a similar line of thought that poor people are subsidizing rich people's use of credit cards for transactions because most retail prices take into account the vast number of credit card transactions and the 2-3% transaction fees retailers pay. So your poor guy paying in cash is subsidizing the rich guy's use of credit cards.

There are some places (mostly services like HVAC, flooring, landscaping, etc.) where I've seen companies add that credit card fee on top of the price if you insist on paying by credit card instead of cash/check, but most retailers don't separate it out. But I think you're going to see some form of transfer of that payment obligation to people more likely to use credit cards. I'm not sure exactly what form that will take though.


It is fair. But I can see lots of pushback b/c the people who have cards, as you noted, have more resources than those that don't. Considering that, and considering the lobbying power to the big card companies, I'd be surprised if states don't start outlawing different prices for cash/card.

Flasch186 05-04-2023 10:33 AM

I’m in real estate and it’s been the soup du jour and have spent weeks talking to experts including ceos of large mortgage banks and the inferences are inaccurate as to what’s actually in it and why and who it affects

However

I won’t waste energy trying to convince those that “can be convinced”


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JPhillips 05-04-2023 10:33 AM

They should outlaw banks charging the processing fees. Using cards for transactions is much cheaper for the banks than dealing with cash.

Ksyrup 05-04-2023 10:51 AM

This is all (eventually) tied to credit card benefits/rewards. There is a push to limit credit card transaction fees which would effectively end credit card benefits and the primary way credit card companies and banks market cards. There will be no more 10X cards, no miles, no card issuer-branded travel portals to buy through, etc.

I will be very sad if that happens, given that I've had many a trip nearly entire paid for with points and miles and am currently planning an 8-10 day trip to the UK next year that I may not have to spend more than $1000-1500 on a hotel and business class flights.

Ksyrup 05-04-2023 10:52 AM

And incidentally, everything I just posted about credit card rewards is another rich vs poor argument.

albionmoonlight 05-04-2023 01:17 PM

Things can change, but it certainly seems like the Dems misplayed the politics of the debt ceiling.

At this point, the GOP was supposed to be running around like headless chickens, and they would come, exhausted and defeated, to Biden to ask for his conditions.

That's not happening. The GOP is united, and Biden is the one who seems to have no wiggle room.

The Dems have gotten better at politics since 2016, but I would not go as far as to say that they are good at it.

They had the chance to eliminate the debt ceiling when they controlled Congress, and they did not--figuring that a ceiling fight would help them politically. That seemed risky and stupid at the time. And I think that reality is showing that to be the case.

"I could take the bullet out of my opponent's gun. But I won't because people will think badly about him when he shoots me" is kind of stupid, IMO.

Ryche 05-04-2023 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by albionmoonlight (Post 3400705)
Things can change, but it certainly seems like the Dems misplayed the politics of the debt ceiling.

At this point, the GOP was supposed to be running around like headless chickens, and they would come, exhausted and defeated, to Biden to ask for his conditions.

That's not happening. The GOP is united, and Biden is the one who seems to have no wiggle room.

The Dems have gotten better at politics since 2016, but I would not go as far as to say that they are good at it.

They had the chance to eliminate the debt ceiling when they controlled Congress, and they did not--figuring that a ceiling fight would help them politically. That seemed risky and stupid at the time. And I think that reality is showing that to be the case.

"I could take the bullet out of my opponent's gun. But I won't because people will think badly about him when he shoots me" is kind of stupid, IMO.


I'm pretty sure Manchin and Sinema never would have allowed the elimination of the debt ceiling.

albionmoonlight 05-04-2023 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Ryche (Post 3400706)
I'm pretty sure Manchin and Sinema never would have allowed the elimination of the debt ceiling.


Good point that I had forgotten about.

I know that high ranking Dems never really entertained the idea. But if they knew that it would never get past Manchin, then they had an incentive to pretend like it helped them.

RainMaker 05-04-2023 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Ksyrup (Post 3400691)
This is all (eventually) tied to credit card benefits/rewards. There is a push to limit credit card transaction fees which would effectively end credit card benefits and the primary way credit card companies and banks market cards. There will be no more 10X cards, no miles, no card issuer-branded travel portals to buy through, etc.

I will be very sad if that happens, given that I've had many a trip nearly entire paid for with points and miles and am currently planning an 8-10 day trip to the UK next year that I may not have to spend more than $1000-1500 on a hotel and business class flights.



You'd make more just paying 2% less for everything in your daily life.


They're just a middleman taking a cut and offering nothing in return to society. The more middlemen we can cut out, the better it is for both consumers and small businesses.

Ksyrup 05-04-2023 08:20 PM

The idea that we'd see a difference in retail costs is laughable.

Ksyrup 05-04-2023 08:22 PM

And honestly, it's kind of a form of savings. If I kept 2% more, I'd probably find ways to spend it rather than specifically save to buy $6-8K worth of business class seats to Europe. And then there's the psychology of knowing I spent far less than $6-8K in real money to pay for those seats. Right now, I'm probably looking at about $3500-4000 in points value for those seats.

RainMaker 05-04-2023 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Ksyrup (Post 3400744)
The idea that we'd see a difference in retail costs is laughable.


Why would it not? Price matters to consumers and businesses have to compete with each other for those consumers.

Even if it just went into the businesses pocket, it's at least going to a business that is providing the product or service. Much better than a leach in the middle getting a cut for nothing. I'd rather my local restaurant get the extra 2% than some shitbag banker.

RainMaker 05-04-2023 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by albionmoonlight (Post 3400705)
The Dems have gotten better at politics since 2016, but I would not go as far as to say that they are good at it.


They currently can't confirm a judge despite having control over the Senate and Presidency. They misplayed the debt ceiling stuff. And SCOTUS, which has just been revealed to be taking bribes is about to make a ruling that ensures they will probably not hold the Presidency again in our lifetime.

I'd say they've gotten better from 2016 but they are still comically inept.

JonInMiddleGA 05-04-2023 09:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ksyrup (Post 3400679)
There are some places (mostly services like HVAC, flooring, landscaping, etc.) where I've seen companies add that credit card fee on top of the price if you insist on paying by credit card instead of cash/check, but most retailers don't separate it out.


Yeah, that does happen ... and those are places that don't get my business again (or at all, if I spot it in time)

And honestly, it's been the opposite in recent years around here. Over half the service type businesses you mentioned I've dealt with in the past 5-10 years are card / electronic only now. Just under half will take checks at all (at least not without specific approval).

cuervo72 05-05-2023 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by cuervo72 (Post 3400530)
Hey, it's been at least a week since I've seen a report of an explosion in Texas.


WELL so much for that streak.

RainMaker 05-05-2023 10:38 PM

The Democrats


Edward64 05-06-2023 11:16 AM

The article is on Hunter's problems and possible impact on Joe. Nothing too surprising but below statement caught my eye.

Hunter is making child support payments (but maybe not consistently per the current lawsuit). I've read court order DNA has proven he is the father.

It seems out of character for Joe aka Grandpa Joe. Easy enough to acknowledge grandchild by saying something like ... "love Hunter, he and Lunden have to work it out in court of law, love to see my grand daughter if Lunden allows it etc.".

Bracing for impact: Biden world preps for Hunter Biden fallout - POLITICO
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Hunter Biden appeared in an Arkansas courtroom this week as part of a bitter dispute with the mother of his 4-year-old child over reducing his child support payments. The mother of the child, Lunden Roberts, has accused the younger Biden of ignoring court orders to provide information about his finances and has asked a judge to declare him in contempt and have him jailed until he complies.

The president and first lady have yet to publicly acknowledge the existence of the child, who is their seventh grandchild. White House press secretary Karine Jean-Pierre this week declined to discuss the subject during her briefing.


flere-imsaho 05-06-2023 11:56 PM

You'd think a party with so many geriatric people serving in national positions, and who just went through this with RBG & Ted Kennedy, would have figured this out by now.

JPhillips 05-07-2023 01:23 PM

I'll be damned. I just saw a DeSantis PAC 2024 commercial on HGTV. I guess he's choosing the path of eternal humiliation.

Edward64 05-07-2023 01:38 PM

I believe Durbin can have the Senate Judiciary hold hearings & investigation, regardless of what SCOTUS does internally. I don't know if they can do anything about Thomas specifically but let's get it all out there in public.

Senate Judiciary chair says 'everything is on the table' in response to Clarence Thomas revelations | CNN Politics
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Senate Judiciary Chair Dick Durbin said Sunday that “everything is on the table” as the panel scrutinizes new ethics concerns around Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas.

“The bottom line is this: Everything is on the table. Day after day, week after week, more and more disclosures about Justice Thomas – we cannot ignore them,” the Illinois Democrat told CNN’s Jake Tapper on “State of the Union.”

“The thing we’re going to do first, obviously, is to gather the evidence, the information that we need to draw our conclusions. I’m not ruling out anything,” he added.

ProPublica reported recently that, for years, Thomas has accepted lavish trips and gifts from GOP megadonor Harlan Crow, which have gone mostly unreported on the justice’s financial disclosures. Crow also purchased several real estate properties, including the home where Thomas’ mother lives, from the Thomas family and paid boarding school tuition for Thomas’ grandnephew, according to ProPublica.

Atocep 05-07-2023 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3400888)
I'll be damned. I just saw a DeSantis PAC 2024 commercial on HGTV. I guess he's choosing the path of eternal humiliation.


He's too stubborn not to run at this point. Always the smartest man in the room and no one is going to tell him otherwise.

Once he started sinking the smart play for him would have been to let Trump know he isn't running, hope one of these indictments knocks Trump out, and then jump into the race late with MAGA support.

Or just sit out and let Trump pick you as his replacement for 2028.

Unless he starts fighting back he may end up too damaged to be a serious candidate in 2028.

Atocep 05-07-2023 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Edward64 (Post 3400889)
I believe Durbin can have the Senate Judiciary hold hearings & investigation, regardless of what SCOTUS does internally. I don't know if they can do anything about Thomas specifically but let's get it all out there in public.

Senate Judiciary chair says 'everything is on the table' in response to Clarence Thomas revelations | CNN Politics


With the GOP controlling the House there's absolutely no chance of anything happening to Thomas. What dems need to do is get as much out to the public as possible to put pressure on Roberts to agree to some sort of code of ethics.

Their hands are tied because the GOP doesn't care if their justices are corrupt as long as they keep ruling in their favor.

EDIT: I actually doubt the GOP cares if any of the justices are corrupt as long as they hold a 6-3 advantage on the court.

Edward64 05-07-2023 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Atocep (Post 3400894)
With the GOP controlling the House there's absolutely no chance of anything happening to Thomas. What dems need to do is get as much out to the public as possible to put pressure on Roberts to agree to some sort of code of ethics.

Their hands are tied because the GOP doesn't care if their justices are corrupt as long as they keep ruling in their favor.


I get Congress won't do much. But Senate Judiciary is under Durbin so he should be able to get hearings & investigations going. This seems like a no brainer to me and wonder why it's not been announced already.

Atocep 05-07-2023 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Edward64 (Post 3400895)
I get Congress won't do much. But Senate Judiciary is under Durbin so he should be able to get hearings & investigations going. This seems like a no brainer to me and wonder why it's not been announced already.


The judiciary committee held a hearing on it last week.

GrantDawg 05-07-2023 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Atocep (Post 3400892)
He's too stubborn not to run at this point. Always the smartest man in the room and no one is going to tell him otherwise.

Once he started sinking the smart play for him would have been to let Trump know he isn't running, hope one of these indictments knocks Trump out, and then jump into the race late with MAGA support.

Or just sit out and let Trump pick you as his replacement for 2028.

Unless he starts fighting back he may end up too damaged to be a serious candidate in 2028.

He reminds me so much of Mike Pompeo. Overly smug, ultra-entiled, and has a personality that the more people get to know them, the more they dislike them.

Flasch186 05-08-2023 06:27 AM

Re the mortgage loan program comment above:

https://www.floridarealtors.org/news...m_medium=email


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GrantDawg 05-08-2023 07:29 AM

ABC News new poll has Trump trouncing Biden in a head to head. The number on this poll are in nightmare land for Biden. Only 38% said he had a mental acuity sharp enough for the job. Most do not believe he should be the candidate. 58% said Trump did a better job with the economy. And even though over 50% believe Trump should face charges for Jan. 6th, 18% of those would still vote for him.
I never expected to see poll numbers this bad. It is grim. I have long feared the economy, specifically inflation, would sink Biden. Looks like that is going to happen unless something changes.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...post-abc-poll/

albionmoonlight 05-08-2023 07:40 AM


Lathum 05-08-2023 07:45 AM

I keep saying it. The GOP is going to sink the global economy to make Biden look bad.

Thomkal 05-08-2023 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by GrantDawg (Post 3400935)
ABC News new poll has Trump trouncing Biden in a head to head. The number on this poll are in nightmare land for Biden. Only 38% said he had a mental acuity sharp enough for the job. Most do not believe he should be the candidate. 58% said Trump did a better job with the economy. And even though over 50% believe Trump should face charges for Jan. 6th, 18% of those would still vote for him.
I never expected to see poll numbers this bad. It is grim. I have long feared the economy, specifically inflation, would sink Biden. Looks like that is going to happen unless something changes.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...post-abc-poll/



Or you can see where it shows Trump leading the youth vote by a lot over Biden and you can laugh at the poll because there is no way that is real.



https://twitter.com/PalmerReport/sta...38259164155905

Lathum 05-08-2023 08:04 AM

I wonder if we will see the reverse of the Trump polling effect with Biden. Historically people wouldn't admit they were voting Trump. I wonder if that will now shift to Biden.

Galaril 05-08-2023 08:13 AM

So I have always liked and supported Biden and I too think Democrats have to get him to step down and not run again. But who do Dems want to run? I would like to see California’s Gavin Newsome or maybe Whitmer from Michigan but fear many on the Left would view them as too moderate LOL.

Edward64 05-08-2023 08:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GrantDawg (Post 3400935)
ABC News new poll has Trump trouncing Biden in a head to head. The number on this poll are in nightmare land for Biden. Only 38% said he had a mental acuity sharp enough for the job. Most do not believe he should be the candidate. 58% said Trump did a better job with the economy. And even though over 50% believe Trump should face charges for Jan. 6th, 18% of those would still vote for him.
I never expected to see poll numbers this bad. It is grim. I have long feared the economy, specifically inflation, would sink Biden. Looks like that is going to happen unless something changes.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...post-abc-poll/


It is a long ways off and fair chance economy & inflation will be in good shape by next year.

Swaggs 05-08-2023 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Thomkal (Post 3400938)
Or you can see where it shows Trump leading the youth vote by a lot over Biden and you can laugh at the poll because there is no way that is real.



https://twitter.com/PalmerReport/sta...38259164155905


Yes. The cross tabs on this poll make it seem questionable, at best. I think and believe that Biden is unpopular, but the 2022 elections and some of the more recent special elections hold more weight to me than this poll.

Swaggs 05-08-2023 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Galaril (Post 3400940)
So I have always liked and supported Biden and I too think Democrats have to get him to step down and not run again. But who do Dems want to run? I would like to see California’s Gavin Newsome or maybe Whitmer from Michigan but fear many on the Left would view them as too moderate LOL.


I agree with you. I have always liked Biden, but this version of him (even if he is still largely competent, he is clearly not at his peak) is not ideal and the thought of him serving as POTUS in his mid-80s just doesn't seem right, for a lot of reasons.

I don't know the answer, but the question is what about Kamala Harris? I don't think she is electable right now, but she would have to show otherworld humility and be the one to make the call to not be next in line. Otherwise, the message is that the first black lady and first female to be elected on a presidential ticket, at age ~60, is not an option to be the Dem's candidate and that is going to alienate a good portion of the base.

JPhillips 05-08-2023 12:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Galaril (Post 3400940)
So I have always liked and supported Biden and I too think Democrats have to get him to step down and not run again. But who do Dems want to run? I would like to see California’s Gavin Newsome or maybe Whitmer from Michigan but fear many on the Left would view them as too moderate LOL.


Pritzker the Great Khan is the only choice to unify the nation.

GrantDawg 05-08-2023 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Edward64 (Post 3400941)
It is a long ways off and fair chance economy & inflation will be in good shape by next year.

I think there is a good chance we will be in an official recession by next year, all the while we are not going to see prices drop.

Lathum 05-08-2023 12:58 PM

Unless Harris steps down, she wont, or MAYBE a SC Seat opens up and give her that, it is ride or die with her. He can't replace her and not lose a key part of the electorate, especially if he replaces her with a white woman (Whitmer)

Lathum 05-08-2023 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by GrantDawg (Post 3400967)
I think there is a good chance we will be in an official recession by next year, all the while we are not going to see prices drop.


yeah, I don't see the economy improving by next years election and odds are it will be worse.


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