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Edward64 03-02-2023 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by NobodyHere (Post 3394546)
Both sides were also interested in the Paycheck Protection Program and that turned out to be mostly fraud and handouts to people who didn't need it.


True.

IIRC I think the lawmakers back then understood the program would not be remotely close to perfect. But they wanted to rush something out to help stabilize small businesses in very uncertain times.

I do not begrudge the Dems and Reps that passed it in April, 2020 ... about the height of the panic. Ultimately, lousy governance & accountability but seemed to be the right thing to do at that time.

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The bill passed the Senate by voice vote on April 21, 2020. The bill passed the House of Representatives by a vote of 388–5 on April 23. The five House "no" votes were four right-wing Republicans (Thomas Massie, Andy Biggs, Ken Buck, and Jody Hice) and one left-wing Democrat (Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez).


RainMaker 03-02-2023 03:59 PM

PPP was also the compromise because they wanted to set up that private trillion dollar slush fund for big rich companies.

Edward64 03-02-2023 04:06 PM

And just read this piece. The $ in the article of $1B don't match up to the title stating $1.6B (about 2 hours old) but $1-$1.6B seems like a good use of money to catch, fine and imprison the fraudsters. Suspect < 50% success though, I can see grey and wiggle room.

Access Denied
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The White House on Thursday laid out its plan to target pandemic fraudsters and recapture stolen relief funds distributed under both the Trump and Biden administrations.

A top White House official said the goal was to provide $600 million to investigate and prosecute systemic pandemic fraud, a similar amount to bolster fraud prevention and $400 million to help victims of identity theft.

"The president wanted to make sure that we had a special and concerted effort to prosecute and punish the worst offenders of pandemic fraud," Gene Sperling, who is overseeing implementation of the White House’s American Rescue Plan, said on a call with reporters previewing the proposal.

While at least $2 billion has been recovered so far, according to Government Accountability Office data, some experts have estimated that Covid relief fraud could be more than a quarter of a trillion dollars. The Trump and Biden administrations distributed about $5 trillion in Covid relief funds.

Edward64 03-02-2023 05:04 PM

FWIW, just for future reference, this is an AARP pdf that states the options being considered to reduce the SS gap, the estimated impacts, and the pros & cons.

My position is there are political implications, positioning, special interest groups and like that will factor into the solutions. It will need to be a bipartisan solution and, therefore, it will not be an "easy" fix.

https://goyff.az.gov/sites/default/f...ty_options.pdf

stevew 03-02-2023 06:37 PM

What dumber, Obama tan suit or both Biden’s ordering the same rigatoni?

RainMaker 03-02-2023 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by stevew (Post 3394573)
What dumber, Obama tan suit or both Biden’s ordering the same rigatoni?


Wasn't there a big stink about Obama putting mustard on his burger?

RainMaker 03-03-2023 01:54 PM

A lot of politicians begged Amazon to come to their state and offered billions in subsidies. Some politicians spoke out against it. Turns out those that spoke against it were right.


Atocep 03-03-2023 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by stevew (Post 3394573)
What dumber, Obama tan suit or both Biden’s ordering the same rigatoni?


Biden going out for ice cream is up there too.

flere-imsaho 03-03-2023 04:45 PM

I believe there was also a bagel controversy that involved both Joe and Hunter Biden. I imagine we haven't heard the last of that.

NobodyHere 03-03-2023 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by flere-imsaho (Post 3394651)
I believe there was also a bagel controversy that involved both Joe and Hunter Biden. I imagine we haven't heard the last of that.


Please tell me there's not a '2 Bidens 1 Bagel' video out there.

RainMaker 03-03-2023 07:00 PM

Wasn't there like a multi-year meltdown over Michelle Obama wanting to add some fruits and vegetables to school lunches?

flere-imsaho 03-04-2023 10:47 AM

Trump administration announces reversal of Michelle Obama's healthy school food reforms - on her birthday | The Independent | The Independent

PilotMan 03-04-2023 03:19 PM

This was brutal

https://twitter.com/TheProblem/statu...ser=TheProblem

Atocep 03-04-2023 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by PilotMan (Post 3394690)


Brutal is the song Trump released at CPAC. A combination of him singing the pledge and J6 defendents "singing" their parts over prison phones.

Flasch186 03-04-2023 09:22 PM

I wish he would just run for President and win in a landslide


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albionmoonlight 03-05-2023 07:53 AM

https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...stamps-ending/

Articles like this remind me of my naivety. I come to places like this and talk and talk and talk about economic theory and taxes and social security and politics, etc. but everything comes from such a limited perspective. I just don’t know poor people. I mean, really poor people. People who have to choose which of the three meals that day they are not going to consume because they can’t afford enough food.

It is a huge enormous blindspot that I have. And I’m not really sure what to do about it.

sterlingice 03-05-2023 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by albionmoonlight (Post 3394725)
https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...stamps-ending/

Articles like this remind me of my naivety. I come to places like this and talk and talk and talk about economic theory and taxes and social security and politics, etc. but everything comes from such a limited perspective. I just don’t know poor people. I mean, really poor people. People who have to choose which of the three meals that day they are not going to consume because they can’t afford enough food.

It is a huge enormous blindspot that I have. And I’m not really sure what to do about it.


We started to rebuild some fraction of a social safety net for COVID and there were some discernible results, especially from things like free school lunches, expanded Medicaid, and expanded SNAP assistance. But then the wealthy saw that it wasn't about keeping society from collapsing and thus putting them at risk, but merely keeping poor people from starving and giving them some tiny modicum of bargaining power so they weren't operating from a position of total desperation. And we just couldn't have that.

SI

PilotMan 03-05-2023 09:56 AM

As my Aussie friend says about their country.."we don't hate our poor people like you do."

Edward64 03-06-2023 04:29 PM

I really like this idea. Focus as much of the $52B on R&D and domestic manufacturing. Assume it's legal to put in that condition.

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/03/06/comp...ondo-says.html
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U.S. Commerce Secretary Gina Raimondo said companies that voluntarily agree to forgo stock buybacks for five years will get preferential treatment when the agency doles out $52 billion authorized under the CHIPS and Science Act.

Raimondo said stock buybacks is one factor being taken into consideration as part of a $39 billion manufacturing subsidy program. The agency, which released its criteria last week, is also weighing recruitment and training strategies as well as childcare benefits for employees, among other issues. The law also creates a 25% investment tax credit for building chip plants, estimated to be worth $24 billion.

The act is designed to spur domestic production of semiconductor chips and reduce U.S. dependency on Asia for the technology, which is used in everything from microwave ovens to automobiles. She said the program wasn’t a “blank check.”

“The law says that these companies are not allowed to use the taxpayer money to do a buyback or pay a dividend. Beyond that, we’re giving a preference to companies who voluntarily say they won’t do a buyback for five years,” Raimondo told CNBC’s Sara Eisen on Monday. “Why? Because this is about enhancing research and development in America. The money should be used to expand in America, to out-innovate the rest of the world. Invest in R&D and your workforce, not in buybacks.”

Edward64 03-06-2023 05:20 PM

Hopefully we're in contact with the El Jeffe and let him know that we'll really, really focus on his operations if any harm comes to the 4. Maybe send him a copy of Clancy's "Clear & Present Danger".

Have to believe Biden is going to try talking, persuading the cartel first. Maybe indirect payoff, prisoner swap but that would be bad precedent (if not already). I'd be terrified if I was in that group of 4.

Matamoros, Mexico: 4 US citizens were kidnapped by gunmen in case of mistaken identity, US official says | CNN
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Four US citizens were assaulted and kidnapped by gunmen in northeastern Mexico on Friday in a case of mistaken identity, a US official with knowledge of the investigation told CNN.

The Americans are believed to have been targeted by mistake and were not the intended victims, the official said. Investigators believe a Mexican cartel likely mistook them for Haitian drug smugglers, the official said, adding investigators have not identified any concerning criminal history on the part of the Americans.

The Americans had traveled to the border city of Matamoros for medical procedures, the official said, citing receipts found in the vehicle.

Mexican President Andrés Manuel López Obrador offered a similar explanation.

“The information we have is that they crossed the border to buy medicines in Mexico, there was a confrontation between groups and they were detained,” the president said. “The whole government is working on it.”

Edward64 03-07-2023 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Edward64 (Post 3394875)
Hopefully we're in contact with the El Jeffe and let him know that we'll really, really focus on his operations if any harm comes to the 4. Maybe send him a copy of Clancy's "Clear & Present Danger".

Have to believe Biden is going to try talking, persuading the cartel first. Maybe indirect payoff, prisoner swap but that would be bad precedent (if not already). I'd be terrified if I was in that group of 4.

Matamoros, Mexico: 4 US citizens were kidnapped by gunmen in case of mistaken identity, US official says | CNN



Well Joe. You have an interesting decision to make. I'm thinking you'll be criticized for any decision though.

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The four Americans who authorities say were kidnapped in Mexico were located at what appears to be a medical clinic in the border city of Matamoros, a US official familiar with the ongoing investigation told CNN.

Two of the kidnapping victims were found alive, and two of them were found dead.

One of the two survivors is severely injured
, a US official familiar with the ongoing investigation told CNN.

Lathum 03-07-2023 12:01 PM

We are so fucked as a nation. The fact that anyone would even suggest Biden have any responsibility for this is insane. They did something risky and were killed.

Perhaps we should question why people feel the need to go to Mexico for medical care? Remind me again which party wants to gut healthcare even more?

GrantDawg 03-07-2023 12:12 PM

No no. It has always got to be the Democrats fault. They went there because of Obamacare. If we just repealed that, they would still be alive. Yeah. That's it.

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Swaggs 03-07-2023 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Edward64 (Post 3394932)
Well Joe. You have an interesting decision to make. I'm thinking you'll be criticized for any decision though.


It sounds like they went to Mexico for a medical procedure ("medical tourism").

What type of decision does he have to make? Force the state of South Carolina to better fund their Medicaid/Medicare/Obamacare or try to dump more money into Mexico to help solve their cartel crisis?

I can just about guarantee you that one party will have zero interest in improving the healthcare situation, in anyway, anywhere in the United States and I doubt there is a whole lot of appetite to solve domestic problems in Mexico when we can't get out of our way here at home.

Atocep 03-07-2023 12:28 PM

If Joe had just completed the wall that was totally completed by Trump and paid for by Mexico this would have never happened.

GrantDawg 03-07-2023 12:52 PM

Trump not too long ago said we should just invade Mexico. Maybe that is what they will start pushing for.

flere-imsaho 03-07-2023 01:36 PM

If we invade Mexico, would we get better medical care? Is invasion a cost effective solution over just improving our health care?

Ghost Econ 03-07-2023 01:46 PM

I like that Republicans would rather invade Mexico and pay more from taxes than just letting them work here and have private businesses pay them.

JPhillips 03-07-2023 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Atocep (Post 3394948)
If Joe had just completed the wall that was totally completed by Trump and paid for by Mexico this would have never happened.


Didn't you hear, Biden put the wall in hiding.

No shit, Trump actually said this.

Atocep 03-07-2023 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3394968)
Didn't you hear, Biden put the wall in hiding.

No shit, Trump actually said this.


We need to get OJ to start looking for the missing wall.

Kodos 03-07-2023 03:17 PM

Alas, OJ's hands are still full trying to find the real killer.

Edward64 03-07-2023 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Swaggs (Post 3394943)
What type of decision does he have to make? Force the state of South Carolina to better fund their Medicaid/Medicare/Obamacare or try to dump more money into Mexico to help solve their cartel crisis?
.


Er no? I was thinking about something more tactical.

Possible course of actions for Biden to consider (or some variation):

1) Do nothing much. Say US will seek justice but really leave it to Mexico and hope for the best
2) Work with (or lead) Mexican intelligence, military, police etc. to identify and bring the actual culprits to justice
3) Work with (or lead) Mexican intelligence, military, police etc. to take down the cartel including operations inside US (longer term). This will serve as a bigger warning to any other cartel not to murder US citizens

My guess is he'll get GOP criticism on #2 for not doing more and/or quick enough. GOP criticism on #3 for not doing it quickly enough. And Dem & GOP criticism if #1.

NobodyHere 03-07-2023 04:38 PM

Lindsey Graham Says He'll Introduce Bill to Set the Stage to Use Military Force in Mexico

Edward64 03-07-2023 06:28 PM


Okay, I guess that can be #4, the Clancy "Clear & Present Danger" option.

I'd think the GOP would support it but maybe get criticism from the Dems.

Atocep 03-07-2023 08:55 PM


The war on drugs worked so well in the 80s lets take it international.

Hammer 03-08-2023 02:17 AM

Just listening to Warren sticking it to Powell. I fail to understand why the government is made up of people past their best. Surely brighter and sharper minds, grounded in the present and future, rather than the past, would be better served to take the country forward.

Whenever innovation and technology is discussed it seems this generation are lost, and just start talking about the past.

sterlingice 03-08-2023 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Hammer (Post 3395023)
Just listening to Warren sticking it to Powell. I fail to understand why the government is made up of people past their best. Surely brighter and sharper minds, grounded in the present and future, rather than the past, would be better served to take the country forward.

Whenever innovation and technology is discussed it seems this generation are lost, and just start talking about the past.


Because it takes a lifetime to accumulate political power

SI

Qwikshot 03-08-2023 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Hammer (Post 3395023)
Just listening to Warren sticking it to Powell. I fail to understand why the government is made up of people past their best. Surely brighter and sharper minds, grounded in the present and future, rather than the past, would be better served to take the country forward.

Whenever innovation and technology is discussed it seems this generation are lost, and just start talking about the past.


Because only rich old people have power and money, and the young are just trying to survive right now.

Brian Swartz 03-09-2023 01:20 AM

Government by the people means you are stuck with the bad decisions the people make as well as having the opportunity for good ones .

NobodyHere 03-09-2023 08:18 AM

Senate GOP leader Mitch McConnell hospitalized after fall

McConnell has fallen on his back an it looks like they're having trouble flipping him back over.

JPhillips 03-09-2023 08:33 AM

In case you missed it, the GOP crazy has really taken over state governments.

In AR the governor signed a bill ending the practice of the state verifying the ages of employed minors.

The Senate in OK passed a bill establishing community boards that would have the power to remove materials from public libraries.

In MS the legislature has passed bills allowing the Capitol police force to have jurisdiction in all of Jackson.

albionmoonlight 03-09-2023 08:40 AM

It must be liberating in a way for non-Democrats to finally get to do what they've wanted to do for decades but were afraid wouldn't fly politically.

miked 03-09-2023 08:55 AM

Don't forget that Georgia is going to pass a bill to allow governor appointed boards to remove elected prosecutors and lowered the recall threshold to 2%.

albionmoonlight 03-09-2023 09:28 AM

The depressing framing I heard was that conservatism started to conflict with democracy. And the right wing in America didn't even pause when it chose to try to destroy democracy in favor of conservatism.

Lathum 03-09-2023 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by NobodyHere (Post 3395139)
Senate GOP leader Mitch McConnell hospitalized after fall

McConnell has fallen on his back an it looks like they're having trouble flipping him back over.


I'm sure there will be a 20 minute segment tonight on The Five about how he is too old to serve.

Edward64 03-09-2023 11:19 AM

Some details of his plan is already out there and aides admit it won't pass as is but a starting point for negotiations. Looking forward to the details and negotiations.

He looks good in RayBans.


GrantDawg 03-09-2023 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 3395153)
I'm sure there will be a 20 minute segment tonight on The Five about how he is too old to serve.

There really might be. As much as McConnell has ushered in the power that the GOP has, he is also looked at a hindrance to getting the real MAGA agenda in place. And the Democratic governor still has to pick a Republican to replace him by Kentucky law.

Edward64 03-09-2023 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Edward64 (Post 3395003)
Okay, I guess that can be #4, the Clancy "Clear & Present Danger" option.

I'd think the GOP would support it but maybe get criticism from the Dems.


I guess they read the book

Wvtm
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A letter claiming to be from the Mexican drug cartel blamed for abducting four Americans and killing two of them condemned the violence and said the gang turned over to authorities its own members who were responsible.
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"We have decided to turn over those who were directly involved and responsible in the events, who at all times acted under their own decision-making and lack of discipline," the letter reads, adding that those individuals had gone against the cartel's rules, which include "respecting the life and well-being of the innocent."

A photograph of five men face down on the pavement and bound accompanied the letter, which was shared with The Associated Press by the source on condition that they remain anonymous because they were not authorized to share the document.

State officials did not immediately publicly confirm having new suspects in custody.

JPhillips 03-09-2023 04:38 PM

Oye mira, nunca pongo mi arma en ningún ciudadano

RainMaker 03-09-2023 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by albionmoonlight (Post 3395150)
The depressing framing I heard was that conservatism started to conflict with democracy. And the right wing in America didn't even pause when it chose to try to destroy democracy in favor of conservatism.


It has always conflicted with democracy.

albionmoonlight 03-09-2023 07:26 PM

Subtle but smart move by Biden to release his budget. The parties backed themselves into a little bit of a corner. Biden promised not to negotiate over the debt ceiling. The GOP promised to refuse to lift it without negotiations.

Which put both parties in a bit of a rhetorical bind. But now they can negotiate “over their budgets.” And the debt ceiling will, of course, be part of that negotiation. So however it resolves, both parties can say they did not go back on their word. I assume that McCarthy has the sense to pick up on the strategy for what it is, and to start negotiating over “the budget.”

NobodyHere 03-10-2023 07:36 AM

Well that was nice of the drug cartels (assuming that this is true and not faked)

5 Men Found in Mexico With Note Apologizing for Attacking 4 Americans

JPhillips 03-10-2023 01:20 PM

This guy needs a crisis comms advisor.


Atocep 03-10-2023 01:24 PM

Watching clips of the House Hearings and seeing comments online I'm convinced the majority of Republicans think Biden was president in 2020.

GrantDawg 03-10-2023 02:06 PM

Republicans really don't care about things like "time" or "facts."

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RainMaker 03-10-2023 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3395283)
This guy needs a crisis comms advisor.




Why didn't he just use the "my account was hacked" excuse everyone else uses?

RainMaker 03-10-2023 06:02 PM

This is dumb on the Democrats part.


GrantDawg 03-10-2023 06:04 PM

Agreed. That shouldn't happen.

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Edward64 03-10-2023 06:16 PM

I guess he’s looking out for his constituents, and he should be doing that.

There may be a chance depending how much is ‘left’ but yeah, not a guarantee like the FDIC $250K guarantee

Flasch186 03-10-2023 06:46 PM

Capitalism isn't capitalism in this country.

Edward64 03-11-2023 05:20 AM

Looks like Biden is about to get some heat next week.

I'd lean towards agreeing with decision as we move towards more renewables and buying us time.

Biden administration to approve major Alaska oil drilling project Willow | CNN Politics
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The Biden administration is soon set to approve ConocoPhillips’ Willow Project, a major oil drilling project on Alaska’s North Slope, according to a congressional source familiar with the details. The decision will be announced next week, the source confirmed.

The expected approval is a victory for Alaska’s bipartisan congressional delegation and a coalition of Alaska Native tribes and groups who hailed the drilling venture as a much-needed new source of revenue and jobs for the remote region. It is a major blow to climate groups and Alaska Natives who oppose Willow, arguing the project will hurt the president’s ambitious climate goals and pose health and environmental risks.
The 600M barrels of oil didn't seem that big to me initially as we use 15M+ daily. But then read that Alaska has 2.4B of proven reserves which means this is relatively significant.

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The National Petroleum Reserve in Alaska, the federally owned area where the project is planned, holds up to 600 million barrels of oil. By the administration’s own estimates, the Willow project would generate enough oil to release 9.2 million metric tons of planet-warming carbon pollution a year – equivalent to adding 2 million gas-powered cars to the roads.
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“If true, the Biden administration is betraying its core commitment to stop runaway climate change,” Earthjustice President Abigail Dillen said in a statement. “We hope the Biden administration will make the right decision to reject Willow, and if it makes the wrong decision, we are committed to challenging it.”

flere-imsaho 03-11-2023 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Flasch186 (Post 3395324)
Capitalism isn't capitalism in this country.


Yeah, ironically capitalism in this country is often socialism, especially when it looks like rich people might lose money.

Edward64 03-14-2023 08:30 AM

Joe, I know this was unintentional but still borders on assholeness. I really hope you called Jimmy (& Rosalynn) to personally apologize after that fundraiser.

Jimmy Carter asked him to deliver his eulogy, Biden says | CNN Politics
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Former President Jimmy Carter, who remains in hospice care, has asked Joe Biden to deliver his eulogy following his death, the president said Monday.

“He asked me to do his eulogy – excuse me, I shouldn’t say that,” Biden told supporters during remarks at a fundraiser in Rancho Santa Fe, California, according to a pool report.

“I spent time with Jimmy Carter, and it’s finally caught up with him. But they found a way to keep him going for a lot longer than they anticipated, because they found a breakthrough,” the president continued.

sterlingice 03-14-2023 09:50 AM

I don't get how that's asshole-ish? I suspect Biden is honored to be doing it but let slip something before he should. Like there's no political gain for Biden here. He didn't do it to be a jerk. He's not stepping on Carter's grave to get something out of it. He let a secret out that he shouldn't have because he doesn't have a filter. Careless, maybe. Also, not really newsworthy.

SI

Edward64 03-14-2023 09:58 AM

I did say "borders on". Because he let something out prematurely that was deeply personal to Jimmy & Rosalynn, and likely said in confidence.

Similar analogy to me is would you want a friend to tell the world that you are getting a divorce before you made it public?

I don't disagree it's not newsworthy (there's alot of that stuff out there), but there it was on CNN.

miked 03-14-2023 10:13 AM

He's in hospice, this may be a newsflash but that means he is close to dying. Unless we want to get in to the definition of hospice and dying, it seems quite inevitable.

Edward64 03-14-2023 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by miked (Post 3395704)
He's in hospice, this may be a newsflash but that means he is close to dying. Unless we want to get in to the definition of hospice and dying, it seems quite inevitable.


I don't disagree.

A friend is going to divorce (and likely friends know there's marital issues) and shares it with you. Should you publicize it before he/she does?

Edward64 03-14-2023 11:20 AM

I really like Joe doing this executive action. I wonder if this was in the plans when they passed the Act last year. Always good to be clarifying definitions.

I'm sure it'll get challenged but its a good start and let's see what SCOTUS says.

Biden will bypass Congress as he tries to tamp down gun violence - POLITICO
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President Joe Biden will sign an executive order aimed at expanding background checks during his visit Tuesday to Monterey Park, Calif., where 11 people were gunned down in January.
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The executive action will direct Attorney General Merrick Garland to address a background check loophole by clarifying the definition of “engaged in the business” of selling firearms, according to a senior administration official who briefed reporters late Monday ahead of the announcement. The Bipartisan Safer Communities Act passed last summer updated federal law, requiring anyone who sells guns for profit to be licensed and conduct background checks on buyers. By clarifying who qualifies as a gun dealer, the federal law will require a greater number of sellers to conduct background checks on prospective buyers.

JPhillips 03-14-2023 08:47 PM

Maybe we need a thread for crazy shit the GOP is doing at the state and local level.

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Oklahoma lawmakers have rejected a bill that would have banned corporal punishment for kids with disabilities in schools.

sterlingice 03-14-2023 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3395810)
Maybe we need a thread for crazy shit the GOP is doing at the state and local level.


I started making a "State and Local Politics" thread but then thought it probably fits just fine in the national threads or something like the Florida bill thread where the parties (yeah, especially the GOP) like to show their ass to remind us what they would like to do when given power at a national level.

SI

SirFozzie 03-14-2023 09:55 PM

How about the State Legislators (S. Carolina) who filed a bill to make getting an abortion a death penalty offense.

Mota 03-15-2023 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by SirFozzie (Post 3395824)
How about the State Legislators (S. Carolina) who filed a bill to make getting an abortion a death penalty offense.


If that's the case, any convicted rapists should also be killed. Imagine the rapist going to jail for 5 years, and then the woman who gets an abortion after being raped is put to death.

JPhillips 03-15-2023 10:41 AM

We would need to check to see what she was wearing.

Ghost Econ 03-15-2023 10:55 AM

Knowing the men in the SC legislature, most of them probably committed plenty of rape and paid for plenty of abortions in college.

They respect women in the way pollen respects my car.

JPhillips 03-15-2023 04:00 PM

TX Gov Abbott announced that he's taking control of the Houston school district.

Local government for me, but not for thee.

Edward64 03-16-2023 08:48 PM

Conceptually, I like prioritizing as it's what households would do in a cash crunch (e.g. pay mortgage & electricity before car insurance). I guess the argument is this allows a process to default on "some" debts but not others, and therefore makes defaulting more likely.

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/03/16/debt...ellen-say.html
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House Republicans are holding up a bill to raise the U.S. debt ceiling, which hit its $31.4 trillion borrowing limit in January. They want any agreement on the debt limit to be paired with spending cuts on social programs.

Their latest debt ceiling proposal, which passed 21-17 out of the House Ways and Means Committee last week, would prioritize which payments the U.S. Treasury makes first when the U.S. hits the ceiling at which it cannot issue more bonds. The GOP plan places a higher priority on making public debt obligations and Social Security payments than other types of government obligations.
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“There is a reason that Treasury secretaries of both parties have rejected this incredibly risky and dangerous idea and it’s never been tried before.”

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“I cannot give any assurances about the technical feasibility of such a plan,” Yellen told lawmakers. “It would be an exceptionally risky, untested and radical departure from normal payment practices of agencies across the federal government.”

She said lawmakers needed to recognize that “raising the debt ceiling is their responsibility to protect the full faith and credit in the United States.”

Danny 03-17-2023 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3395920)
TX Gov Abbott announced that he's taking control of the Houston school district.

Local government for me, but not for thee.


I'm a school psychologist in California but I've seen some posts in my fields fb groups that they are behind in evaluations by several thousand. I imagine they are getting sued left and right just from this. Must be a real mess.

sterlingice 03-17-2023 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3395920)
TX Gov Abbott announced that he's taking control of the Houston school district.

Local government for me, but not for thee.


Of course, HISD is one of the better performing large districts in the state - keeping in mind, it's still a large urban district. But there was one high school that was badly underperforming for many years (though it had improved recently) so it triggered a time bomb law set up by the GOP legislature where the state could take over an entire district for one underperforming school. That way they can start breaking the decent improvement job that had been over the past few years, even during COVID.

https://www.texastribune.org/2023/03...-isd-takeover/

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The TEA, which grades schools and districts each year based on their academic achievement, gave Phillis Wheatley a grade of F in 2019. Last year, Phillis Wheatley got a C, and Houston ISD as a whole received a B. In the last 19 months, HISD has made strides reducing the number of its campuses with a D or F rating from 50 to 10. Ninety-four percent of HISD schools now earn a grade of A, B or C.

SI

albionmoonlight 03-20-2023 08:07 AM

I wonder what the GOP line will be with Xi going to Russia to support the war.

It puts the Chinese Communist Party (which they claim to hate) on the side of Russian Territorial Integrity (which they claim to love).

Will they try to find an intellectually consistent position, or will they just say X on Monday and Not X on Tuesday and count of people not noticing/caring?

GrantDawg 03-20-2023 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by albionmoonlight (Post 3396308)
I wonder what the GOP line will be with Xi going to Russia to support the war.

It puts the Chinese Communist Party (which they claim to hate) on the side of Russian Territorial Integrity (which they claim to love).

Will they try to find an intellectually consistent position, or will they just say X on Monday and Not X on Tuesday and count of people not noticing/caring?

They are going to say this shows how weak the US is that China is taking control over world politics. It is literally what DJT has already said about it. Remember the GOP never goes into specifics, just the easiest soundbite. Just say "Biden is weak" as often as you can.

Atocep 03-23-2023 02:21 PM

Why do we have people that can't work a smart phone determining whether or not to ban tik tok? Or make any tech related decisions for out country?

I'm watching clips of these hearings and the questions they're asking the tik tok CEO are some of the dumbest shit you could imagine. Like, forwards from grandma level stupid shit.

JPhillips 03-23-2023 08:50 PM

Between the First Amendment and IP hosting in other countries, how the hell would the U.S. even go about banning Tik Tok?

Atocep 03-23-2023 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3396580)
Between the First Amendment and IP hosting in other countries, how the hell would the U.S. even go about banning Tik Tok?


Banning it from the Apple and Play Store would effectively kill it off. It would still be on current phones and there would ways around it, but it the inability to push updates or install it from either of those stores would be the end of tik tok.

Watching some of the hearing was painful. It's clear Zuckerberg has put a ton of lobbying money into this. But the talking points and attempts at 'gotcha" moments were awful.

An example was the Tik Tok CEO was asked if the app accesses your home wifi. He said yes, if you're using your home wifi on your phone the app uses it for internet. You could tell the person asking thought he scored a huge blow and uncovered something.

He also asked about how they keep children off the app. They said the same as any other app, they ask. But then they also check your public videos and content, which the congressman that asked the question replied, "that's scary". Implying that accessing their public videos is somehow nefarious.

They then went into questions about scanning for pupil dilation, whether the word china is banned on the app, and the fact that videos with guns exist on the app.

Edward64 03-24-2023 08:15 AM

Seems to be escalating. We have about 900 troops in Syria.

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Missiles slam into ANOTHER US base in Syria: Iran-backed militants retaliate hours after Biden ordered deadly 'precision airstrikes' on their positions following suicide drone attack that killed American worker
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Missiles slam into ANOTHER US base in Syria: Iran-backed militants retaliate hours after Biden ordered deadly 'precision airstrikes' on their positions following suicide drone attack that killed American worker

What the heck are we still doing in Syria? It could be regime change, anti-ISIL operations but below article was interesting.

Regardless, it doesn't seem that we have an exit strategy and we should have one.

https://www.politico.com/newsletters...syria-00053898
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Which brings us to the unofficial reason for why the U.S. is still in Syria: To stop other countries from filling the vacuum. “The situation is not one in which there is a force that would be ready to fill the vacuum were we to simply leave,” the senior administration official said.

While there are concerns about Russia and Iranian-backed militias gaining a greater foothold in the country’s center and east, a major reason for the U.S. presence is deterring Turkey from launching an attack against the SDF — a group it considers terrorists. A U.S. military withdrawal, then, would leave American anti-ISIS partners targeted by a NATO ally, giving space for the once-prominent terrorist group to reconstitute itself. Such an event would destroy any chance of a long-needed political settlement to the war, even if one remains far off.

That scenario would also likely lead the SDF to abandon the prisons holding tens of thousands of ISIS prisoners to deal with the Turkish threat —something that happened during Ankara’s invasion in 2019.

RainMaker 03-24-2023 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Atocep (Post 3396545)
Why do we have people that can't work a smart phone determining whether or not to ban tik tok? Or make any tech related decisions for out country?

I'm watching clips of these hearings and the questions they're asking the tik tok CEO are some of the dumbest shit you could imagine. Like, forwards from grandma level stupid shit.


Facebook has been spending a lot of money lobbying those people because they are struggling to compete.

As for a ban, there is probably some crap they can pull about "national security". By the time it made its way through the courts, the company would be essentially dead which is probably the goal of Facebook and others anyway.

JPhillips 03-24-2023 08:46 PM

Idaho Republicans blocked a bill to provide free feminine hygiene products in schools saying it was a woke, liberal idea.

Atocep 03-24-2023 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3396675)
Idaho Republicans blocked a bill to provide free feminine hygiene products in schools saying it was a woke, liberal idea.


Yeah I watched some of the debates on this. One of the key points they brought up was they already provide water, toilet paper, ect. Where does it end? Are they going to start providing showers at school too? Because sweat is a bodily function.

Ghost Econ 03-25-2023 07:24 AM

They don't have showers in the gym locker room?

GrantDawg 03-25-2023 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Ghost Econ (Post 3396697)
They don't have showers in the gym locker room?

No, it might turn the kids gay. Or worse, communist.

GrantDawg 03-25-2023 09:06 AM

There is another "third party" group that has suddenly appeared with suspicious amount of funding. "No Labels" is calling itself a centrist party that is trying to fight against the extremes on the right and the left. But it seems they are only really interested in going on the ballots in swing states. Curious.

Edward64 03-27-2023 10:58 AM

Interesting WSJ poll. Just shows how much things have changed since 1998 and the differences now between Dems-Independents-Reps.

America Pulls Back From Values That Once Defined It, WSJ-NORC Poll Finds - WSJ
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Patriotism, religious faith, having children and other priorities that helped define the national character for generations are receding in importance to Americans, a new Wall Street Journal-NORC poll finds.

The survey, conducted with NORC at the University of Chicago, a nonpartisan research organization, also finds the country sharply divided by political party over social trends such as the push for racial diversity in businesses and the use of gender-neutral pronouns.

Can't post the poll graphics but have the titles below.
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#1 Percent who say these values are ‘very important’ to them
Patriotism, Religion, Having Children, Community Involvement are all significantly down. Money is up
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#2 Percent who say these values are ‘very important’ to them, personally, shown among the youngest and oldest age groups
I guess no surprise here. But good to see "hard work" are majorities for both younger & older.
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#3 Percent who say these values are ‘very important’ to them, personally, shown among the youngest and oldest age groups
Broken out by party affiliation. Independents seem to be more aligned with Dems than Reps.
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#4 For each of the following, has our society gone too far, not gone far enough, or is it about right? Shown by percentage who say ‘too far’
Independents seem to be more aligned with Reps than Dems.

Atocep 03-27-2023 11:11 AM

My wife does scheduling for UW medicine and one of the questions they have to ask is preferred pronouns. The responses she gets from some are....expected...

albionmoonlight 03-27-2023 11:14 AM

If I were your wife, I'd at least be sure to hit those people with a "Happy Holidays!" at the end of the conversation in Nov-Dec.

Galaril 03-28-2023 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Edward64 (Post 3396832)
Interesting WSJ poll. Just shows how much things have changed since 1998 and the differences now between Dems-Independents-Reps.

America Pulls Back From Values That Once Defined It, WSJ-NORC Poll Finds - WSJ


Can't post the poll graphics but have the titles below.

Patriotism, Religion, Having Children, Community Involvement are all significantly down. Money is up

I guess no surprise here. But good to see "hard work" are majorities for both younger & older.

Broken out by party affiliation. Independents seem to be more aligned with Dems than Reps.

Independents seem to be more aligned with Reps than Dems.



None of this surprises me.

albionmoonlight 03-28-2023 09:15 AM

A little more sabre rattling concerning the debt ceiling. McCarthy sent Biden a letter urging negotiations. The Dems are saying that there's no point in negotiating until the GOP releases its proposed budget. The GOP says that they won't release a budget, but that they will give Biden the details if he meets with them.

McCarthy is accusing Biden of playing politics.

Of course, McCarthy is the Speaker of the House talking to reporters about negotiating a budget with a President of the opposition party. I'm not sure what he thinks that is if it is not politics.

Right now, the Dems seem to have a rhetorical upper hand. Releasing a budge this early was a smart move b/c it makes the GOP presenting one seem like the obvious next move. And the GOP is not ready to do that.

I still think that this works out where we get distressingly close to the deadline, then they suspend the debt limit for a period of time so that it matches up with the budget/shutdown timeline. That lets the Dems say that they negotiated a budget, but that they didn't let the GOP negotiate the debt limit. And it lets the GOP say that they successfully used the debt limit to get concessions from the Dems in negotiations.

NobodyHere 03-28-2023 10:50 AM

Sen. Rand Paul staffer stabbed multiple times in DC, suspect arrested

Other reports say the stabber was released from prison only 24 hours before the attack. I guess he didn't want to try to adjust to life outside prison? He had served 12 years for forcing women into prostitution.

Edward64 03-29-2023 08:07 PM

I'm not sure the Biden deserves much credit but it did happen under his watch and looks like he blessed it. Probably a moral victory, not sure it changes much on the ground. But a good show of bipartisanship so I'll take it.

How Iraq war powers repeal turned into an unlikely bipartisan win - POLITICO
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It was hardly a given that Sens. Tim Kaine (D-Va.) and Todd Young (R-Ind.) would finally notch the votes and time they needed for the Senate to formally repeal Congress’ 1991 and 2002 authorizations for military action in Iraq. After all, Washington is still adjusting to divided government, and the majority of the Senate GOP leadership team continues to oppose repealing the war powers approval.
Now off to the House

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Should the Senate war powers repeal pass the House, the Biden administration has indicated the president would support it. But getting it to Biden’s desk requires House passage — and that won’t be easy.
This seems like a good compromise that may allay House GOP fears.

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Foreign Affairs Chair Michael McCaul (R-Texas) wants to repeal and replace both the 2002 military force authorization and a broad one passed in 2001 after the Sept. 11 attacks,
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McCaul said this week he wants a “counterterrorism-focused AUMF without geographical boundaries” that would end after five years “so it’s not forever war stuff.
Or

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Young said he’d want to ensure any revisions to the 2001 war powers measure clarify there will be no gap in existing legal authorities to conduct necessary operations overseas, which he said many members view as a point of vulnerability.

JPhillips 03-30-2023 11:06 AM

Reed O'Connor just ruled that the preventive coverage mandate in the ACA is unconstitutional.

Atocep 03-30-2023 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3397235)
Reed O'Connor just ruled that the preventive coverage mandate in the ACA is unconstitutional.


One of the Texas judges the GOP games the system to get cases in front of for those that don't know.

JPhillips 03-30-2023 02:38 PM

Not sure where to put this. The head of the San Jose police union was busted for being a major fentanyl distributor.


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