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digamma 10-13-2016 06:40 AM

I'm gonna go ahead and stand by my statement.

Flasch186 10-13-2016 06:49 AM

I just always don't understand the whole trust these women from twenty years ago.... But don't trust these women from 10 years ago. The only difference between them is who they're accusing. Both seem exactly the same in every other way. So either don't believe any of them or believe them all...

digamma 10-13-2016 06:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by larrymcg421 (Post 3123305)
From 1992. Trump met a 10 yr old girl on an ET segment. After she left, he turned to the camera and said he'd be dating her in 10 years.

More questionable footage of Trump's comments on women - CBS News


It's amazing that this became an after thought yesterday. If I was that little girl's (now woman's I guess), I'd want to rip his head off.

Ben E Lou 10-13-2016 07:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SirFozzie (Post 3123364)
Support Trump and lose the middle, or dump trump and lose the base.

I'm not convinced that the Trump *supporters* are really "the base." A significant amount of *his* support base comes from people who didn't normally vote in Republican (or any other) primaries. Probably a better way to frame what's happening to the Republican Party is that there are multiple constituencies, and they are fractured--perhaps hopelessly. Trump's legacy is going to be destroying a Party. (In fairness, the ability for it to be destroyed was already there. It just took someone selfish enough to do it.)

Ben E Lou 10-13-2016 07:57 AM

Current trending topic: #NextFakeTrumpVictim

Ben E Lou 10-13-2016 08:21 AM

Prophecy:



Easy Mac 10-13-2016 08:34 AM

Is it still an October Surprise if no one is really surprised by what people are saying, even if we didn't know the news was going to come out?

albionmoonlight 10-13-2016 09:21 AM

Clinton has run a good campaign aimed toward moderate Republicans--"It's ok to not vote for Trump because he is a radical; he's not really a Republican." That almost encourages GOP ticket-splitting. Which was the right strategy when the race was 50-50 (which feels like two years ago but was really not that long ago).

But now that she's going to win, I think that she needs to dedicate her resources pretty aggressively toward the Senate. Her first four years will be a lot easier (and more likely to lead to four more years) if she has at least one legislative house to run interference for her.

And, hey, if the side effect of that is to increase the Hail Mary odds of flipping the House for two years? Then she has a chance to really get some stuff done.

She's going to be president. The question for her now is how she wants that presidency to go.

larrymcg421 10-13-2016 11:07 AM

Paul Ryan's two tweets today are about balanced budgets and international treaties.

SirFozzie 10-13-2016 11:09 AM

Who thought the Onion was going to call the 2016 election in late November 2012?

After Obama Victory, Shrieking White-Hot Sphere Of Pure Rage Early GOP Front-Runner For 2016 - YouTube

rowech 10-13-2016 11:22 AM

Rasmussen poll shows Trump back in the lead.

QuikSand 10-13-2016 11:28 AM

PredictIt gives a chance to buy Trump/GOP/non-woman at 17 cents, and I still think it's a buy. Might be tricky to know when to sell, but I don't think this chaotic election can actually calm down for even two weeks.

panerd 10-13-2016 11:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by QuikSand (Post 3123413)
PredictIt gives a chance to buy Trump/GOP/non-woman at 17 cents, and I still think it's a buy. Might be tricky to know when to sell, but I don't think this chaotic election can actually calm down for even two weeks.


What about a Jill Stein surprise? :)

larrymcg421 10-13-2016 11:44 AM

Isn't now the perfect time for Trump to release taxes? Only time they have a chance to get buried.

mckerney 10-13-2016 11:46 AM

Donald Trump Apologizes to Serbia for Yugoslavia Bombing

Donald with more pro-Russian foreign policy statements, what a surprise.

mckerney 10-13-2016 11:53 AM

I'm sure Hannity is gonna start pounding Trump over this though after Lumpy's constantly being outraged at Obama "apology tours."

ISiddiqui 10-13-2016 11:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Groundhog (Post 3123366)
I don't know if the timing can be considered "convenient" when women come forward immediately after he says live on TV that he has never assaulted a woman.


Exactly. The point is women are coming forward because he said something with great conviction in public that they knew to be completely false.

Thomkal 10-13-2016 12:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rowech (Post 3123410)
Rasmussen poll shows Trump back in the lead.


So is Rasmussen a generally lean Reupblican/right/conservative site? So far just about every poll I've seen has Clinton ahead by at least five.

larrymcg421 10-13-2016 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thomkal (Post 3123422)
So is Rasmussen a generally lean Reupblican/right/conservative site? So far just about every poll I've seen has Clinton ahead by at least five.


Rasmussen was 5 points to the right in their final 2012 poll.

mckerney 10-13-2016 12:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui (Post 3123421)
Exactly. The point is women are coming forward because he said something with great conviction in public that they knew to be completely false.


But why are they coming out now when there's public proof of Trump taking about doing what he did to them and other women coming forward with the same stories instead of back when it happened when it would have just been there word against a famous billionaire who would have done everything he could to publicly attack and shame them. Just seems too suspicious and convenient... :rolleyes:

larrymcg421 10-13-2016 12:49 PM

Trump Said to Block Campaign’s Requests to Do Self-Opposition Research - Bloomberg Politics

molson 10-13-2016 01:46 PM

When I heard about the new allegations my first thought was that Trump was going to defend himself by calling all of them pigfaces he'd never fuck with Bill Clinton's dick, or something. Has he done that yet?

Edward64 10-13-2016 01:46 PM

Hillary's master plan is now evident.

Roll out a sexual harassment victim every/other day to keep Trump on the defense and coordinate with the wiling networks to play it up. The wikileaks stuff is being overwhelmed by Trump's alleged sexual antics.

Where there is smoke, there is fire. Did Trump do every single thing alleged, maybe not but I'm sure he's guilty of alot of them.

Subby 10-13-2016 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by molson (Post 3123431)
When I heard about the new allegations my first thought was that Trump was going to defend himself by calling all of them pigfaces he'd never fuck with Bill Clinton's dick, or something. Has he done that yet?



Subby 10-13-2016 01:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Edward64 (Post 3123432)
Hillary's master plan is now evident.

Roll out a sexual harassment victim every/other day to keep Trump on the defense and coordinate with the wiling networks to play it up. The wikileaks stuff is being overwhelmed by Trump's alleged sexual antics.

The master plan was to get the PGIC to run for president in the first place.

mckerney 10-13-2016 02:17 PM

It looks like Trump's speech today sure was something...


albionmoonlight 10-13-2016 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by QuikSand (Post 3123413)
PredictIt gives a chance to buy Trump/GOP/non-woman at 17 cents, and I still think it's a buy. Might be tricky to know when to sell, but I don't think this chaotic election can actually calm down for even two weeks.


I guess I'm too caught up in the narrative of the moment. But that strikes me as much more of a hold price than a buy.

I just can't see something happening at this point that would push that high enough to risk the downside of it falling out.

albionmoonlight 10-13-2016 02:27 PM

dola:

I have not looked yet, but I think that there might be money to be made going pro-GOP in individual senate races. The "GOP is doomed" noise is running counter to the actual senate polls.

And there might be some good arbitrage putting individual senate races against GOP/Dem control overall if one can pinpoint the races that will actually decide the overall control.

stevew 10-13-2016 03:16 PM

Trump is now making fun of the NFL re:Concussions. Not for how they ignored the problems, but for taking precautions over serious brain injuries.

The Republican presidential nominee said he was struck by the toughness of a woman who fainted and then returned to the audience, according to multiple reports.

"The woman was out cold, and now she's coming back," Trump told the crowd. "See? We don't go by these new and very much softer NFL rules. Concussion, oh! Oh! Got a little ding on the head, no, no, you can't play for the rest of the season. Our people are tough!"

CrescentMoonie 10-13-2016 03:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stevew (Post 3123449)
Trump is now making fun of the NFL re:Concussions. Not for how they ignored the problems, but for taking precautions over serious brain injuries.

The Republican presidential nominee said he was struck by the toughness of a woman who fainted and then returned to the audience, according to multiple reports.

"The woman was out cold, and now she's coming back," Trump told the crowd. "See? We don't go by these new and very much softer NFL rules. Concussion, oh! Oh! Got a little ding on the head, no, no, you can't play for the rest of the season. Our people are tough!"


Well, that's not hard to do when they don't have the necessary equipment for a brain injury.

Easy Mac 10-13-2016 03:48 PM

I wonder what odds you could have gotten that the election would turn due to the actions of Billy Bush and Anderson Cooper, the one-time hosts of Let's Make a Deal and The Mole.

Of course, it makes sense that a Bush and a Vanderbilt have conspired to swing an election for the Clintons. Dynasties FTW!

SirFozzie 10-13-2016 03:51 PM

The NYT basically dunks on Trump's lawsuit threat:

Sydney Ember on Twitter: "David McCraw, NYT lawyer, responds to Trump’s letter. https://t.co/ziPBCIjkvP"

Galaxy 10-13-2016 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ben E Lou (Post 3123382)
I'm not convinced that the Trump *supporters* are really "the base." A significant amount of *his* support base comes from people who didn't normally vote in Republican (or any other) primaries. Probably a better way to frame what's happening to the Republican Party is that there are multiple constituencies, and they are fractured--perhaps hopelessly. Trump's legacy is going to be destroying a Party. (In fairness, the ability for it to be destroyed was already there. It just took someone selfish enough to do it.)


I suspect the GOP adopts a Super Delegate system? A closed primary system? Re-arranges the states so states like Texas or Utah go first?

I hate Clinton, but if it's a Clinton and GOP-controlled Congress (or at least a House), I'm OK with that. I suspect Clinton will be more moderate and pragmatic than Obama in working with Congress. I just hate how dirty and slimy everything and everyone is in this election cycle.

Thomkal 10-13-2016 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Easy Mac (Post 3123456)
I wonder what odds you could have gotten that the election would turn due to the actions of Billy Bush and Anderson Cooper, the one-time hosts of Let's Make a Deal and The Mole.

Of course, it makes sense that a Bush and a Vanderbilt have conspired to swing an election for the Clintons. Dynasties FTW!


I loved the Mole :)

Butter 10-13-2016 04:30 PM

The first season of The Mole was amazing.

JonInMiddleGA 10-13-2016 04:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ben E Lou (Post 3123382)
I'm not convinced that the Trump *supporters* are really "the base." A significant amount of *his* support base comes from people who didn't normally vote in Republican (or any other) primaries.


While we often make very similar observations, this one is almost 180 degrees from what I'm seeing.

Off hand I can't think of a single lukewarm voter amongst the Trump supporters I know. It does, however, describe a good bit of the NeverTrump folks I've seen (not all by any means, just a noticeable portion).

What seems completely absent from the pro-Trump folks I know are the, I dunno, disaffected/disenfranchised crowd for lack of a better description. On the whole, it's overwhelmingly made up of lifelong voters, the ones that show up for every election, even the down ballot runoffs.

Could easily be a GA vs SC thing though.

SackAttack 10-13-2016 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Galaxy (Post 3123459)
I suspect the GOP adopts a Super Delegate system? A closed primary system? Re-arranges the states so states like Texas or Utah go first?

I hate Clinton, but if it's a Clinton and GOP-controlled Congress (or at least a House), I'm OK with that. I suspect Clinton will be more moderate and pragmatic than Obama in working with Congress. I just hate how dirty and slimy everything and everyone is in this election cycle.


1) The GOP already has superdelegates, they just make up a much lower percentage of the delegate count than their Democratic counterparts. I believe GOP "unbound delegates" are about 10% of the total, compared with Democratic superdelegates at about 20%.

2) Republicans had zero interest in working with Barack Obama. Ever. Take a look at the Republican use of the filibuster after Obama was sworn in. I'll wait. If Republicans had been actually interested in working with the President instead of threatening to burn down the government if they didn't get everything they wanted, and also a pony, they could have found common cause. Instead, they spent the first two years grinding the gears of government to a halt by filibustering bills, offering amendments, filibustering those amendments, ad infinitum.

And as soon as they took back the Senate, they shifted gears to "defund Obamacare." They spent 6 years pounding the pulpit, demanding a "repeal and replace," and we STILL HAVEN'T HEARD what that replacement is supposed to be, despite numerous assurances that "it's coming."

I know it's conservative orthodoxy that Barack Obama is the most liberal, obstinate, authoritarian empty suit ever, but the reality doesn't bear that out.

Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-UT) said "The president told me several times he’s going to name a moderate [to fill the court vacancy], but I don’t believe him. [Obama] could easily name Merrick Garland, who is a fine man. He probably won’t do that because this appointment is about the election. So I’m pretty sure he’ll name someone the [liberal Democratic base] wants."

Hatch immediately pivoted and fell in line with Mitch McConnell on "no hearings." McConnell, by comparison, insisted that it would be hard to find somebody "more liberal than" Garland.

That's the litmus. To Congressional Republicans, if Obama wants it, it's the most liberal thing ever. There can be no compromise, because if they meet him halfway on anything, they're acceding to liberalism, and after they've amped up the base on how socialist this President is, they don't dare compromise with him.

SirFozzie 10-13-2016 04:52 PM

Did Trump just go full on fascist/white supremacist?

First the international banker conspiracy, and now:

"Join me in taking back our country and creating a bright, glorious, and prosperous new future for our people. We will make American great again and it will happen quickly! God bless you!"

From this livestream:

NEXT LIVE - Donald Trump Rally LIVE in Cincinnati, OH. (10-13-16) - YouTube

Galaxy 10-13-2016 05:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SackAttack (Post 3123464)
1) The GOP already has superdelegates, they just make up a much lower percentage of the delegate count than their Democratic counterparts. I believe GOP "unbound delegates" are about 10% of the total, compared with Democratic superdelegates at about 20%.

2) Republicans had zero interest in working with Barack Obama. Ever. Take a look at the Republican use of the filibuster after Obama was sworn in. I'll wait. If Republicans had been actually interested in working with the President instead of threatening to burn down the government if they didn't get everything they wanted, and also a pony, they could have found common cause. Instead, they spent the first two years grinding the gears of government to a halt by filibustering bills, offering amendments, filibustering those amendments, ad infinitum.

And as soon as they took back the Senate, they shifted gears to "defund Obamacare." They spent 6 years pounding the pulpit, demanding a "repeal and replace," and we STILL HAVEN'T HEARD what that replacement is supposed to be, despite numerous assurances that "it's coming."

I know it's conservative orthodoxy that Barack Obama is the most liberal, obstinate, authoritarian empty suit ever, but the reality doesn't bear that out.

Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-UT) said "The president told me several times he’s going to name a moderate [to fill the court vacancy], but I don’t believe him. [Obama] could easily name Merrick Garland, who is a fine man. He probably won’t do that because this appointment is about the election. So I’m pretty sure he’ll name someone the [liberal Democratic base] wants."

Hatch immediately pivoted and fell in line with Mitch McConnell on "no hearings." McConnell, by comparison, insisted that it would be hard to find somebody "more liberal than" Garland.

That's the litmus. To Congressional Republicans, if Obama wants it, it's the most liberal thing ever. There can be no compromise, because if they meet him halfway on anything, they're acceding to liberalism, and after they've amped up the base on how socialist this President is, they don't dare compromise with him.


I don't disagree with you on the ACA. The House Republicans really brought this whole thing on themselves when they voted to pass it (yes, it would of still passed, but still), then go around saying they should repeal it. I can understand why Paul Ryan doesn't carry a lot of respect in certain circles of his base--it's hard to fight against something that you voted to pass.

Why is it okay for the Dems to block Supreme Court appointments in an election (Schumer led the fight in 2007), but not Republicans? I'm not saying it's right or wrong, but should we hold both sides to the same standard? It's just politics as usual.

Galaxy 10-13-2016 05:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SirFozzie (Post 3123466)
Did Trump just go full on fascist/white supremacist?

First the international banker conspiracy, and now:

"Join me in taking back our country and creating a bright, glorious, and prosperous new future for our people. We will make American great again and it will happen quickly! God bless you!"

From this livestream:

NEXT LIVE - Donald Trump Rally LIVE in Cincinnati, OH. (10-13-16) - YouTube


Did he also make it sound like the one accuser wasn't attractive enough to sexually assault? WTF?!?

BillJasper 10-13-2016 05:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SackAttack (Post 3123464)
1) The GOP already has superdelegates, they just make up a much lower percentage of the delegate count than their Democratic counterparts. I believe GOP "unbound delegates" are about 10% of the total, compared with Democratic superdelegates at about 20%.

2) Republicans had zero interest in working with Barack Obama. Ever. Take a look at the Republican use of the filibuster after Obama was sworn in. I'll wait. If Republicans had been actually interested in working with the President instead of threatening to burn down the government if they didn't get everything they wanted, and also a pony, they could have found common cause. Instead, they spent the first two years grinding the gears of government to a halt by filibustering bills, offering amendments, filibustering those amendments, ad infinitum.

And as soon as they took back the Senate, they shifted gears to "defund Obamacare." They spent 6 years pounding the pulpit, demanding a "repeal and replace," and we STILL HAVEN'T HEARD what that replacement is supposed to be, despite numerous assurances that "it's coming."

I know it's conservative orthodoxy that Barack Obama is the most liberal, obstinate, authoritarian empty suit ever, but the reality doesn't bear that out.

Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-UT) said "The president told me several times he’s going to name a moderate [to fill the court vacancy], but I don’t believe him. [Obama] could easily name Merrick Garland, who is a fine man. He probably won’t do that because this appointment is about the election. So I’m pretty sure he’ll name someone the [liberal Democratic base] wants."

Hatch immediately pivoted and fell in line with Mitch McConnell on "no hearings." McConnell, by comparison, insisted that it would be hard to find somebody "more liberal than" Garland.

That's the litmus. To Congressional Republicans, if Obama wants it, it's the most liberal thing ever. There can be no compromise, because if they meet him halfway on anything, they're acceding to liberalism, and after they've amped up the base on how socialist this President is, they don't dare compromise with him.


Spot-on post.

digamma 10-13-2016 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Galaxy (Post 3123467)
I don't disagree with you on the ACA. The House Republicans really brought this whole thing on themselves when they voted to pass it (yes, it would of still passed, but still), then go around saying they should repeal it. I can understand why Paul Ryan doesn't carry a lot of respect in certain circles of his base--it's hard to fight against something that you voted to pass.

Why is it okay for the Dems to block Supreme Court appointments in an election (Schumer led the fight in 2007), but not Republicans? I'm not saying it's right or wrong, but should we hold both sides to the same standard? It's just politics as usual.


What am I misremembering here? Who did Schumer try to block? Both Roberts and Alito were confirmed.

RainMaker 10-13-2016 05:45 PM

Evangelicals seem to be sticking with Trump through this. Can't wait for these people to lecture us on "family values" in the future.

Thomkal 10-13-2016 05:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 3123476)
Evangelicals seem to be sticking with Trump through this. Can't wait for these people to lecture us on "family values" in the future.


yeah I was reading a bit about that because I figured that tape had to be the last straw for some of them. And it was for a few. (check out Christianity Today magazine) But many believe Trump is their last chance of getting a conservative Supreme Court that will end abortion once and for all. So they go to the "we are all sinners" in God's eyes argument to explain away his behavior. Pretty sad watching guys like Jerry Falwell Jr. basically throw away all that he teaches because one issue might be saved from us liberal heathens.

CrescentMoonie 10-13-2016 05:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 3123476)
Evangelicals seem to be sticking with Trump through this. Can't wait for these people to lecture us on "family values" in the future.


No, they really aren't. There's the guys like Russell Moore who have been against him from the beginning, and now names like Jen Hatmaker and Beth Moore have gone on the offensive against him. There's a large move against him from younger evangelicals. It's the political "evangelicals" like Falwell and Robertson, whose reach is much smaller than the media makes it out to be, that are striking up the band while the ship sinks. Just today a student and staff petition came out from Liberty students against Falwell's continued endorsement which contained a nugget about Trump only getting 8% of the vote there during the primary.

Evangelical Women Split From Trump

Donald Trump has Snuffed out the Religious Right

Liberty University Students Protest Association with Trump

RainMaker 10-13-2016 06:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrescentMoonie (Post 3123481)
No, they really aren't. There's the guys like Russell Moore who have been against him from the beginning, and now names like Jen Hatmaker and Beth Moore have gone on the offensive against him. There's a large move against him from younger evangelicals. It's the political "evangelicals" like Falwell and Robertson, whose reach is much smaller than the media makes it out to be, that are striking up the band while the ship sinks. Just today a student and staff petition came out from Liberty students against Falwell's continued endorsement which contained a nugget about Trump only getting 8% of the vote there during the primary.

Evangelical Women Split From Trump

Donald Trump has Snuffed out the Religious Right

Liberty University Students Protest Association with Trump


Polls show the number is pretty high.

PRRI

White evangelicals are 65-16 in favor of Trump.

CrescentMoonie 10-13-2016 06:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 3123482)
Polls show the number is pretty high.

PRRI

White evangelicals are 65-16 in favor of Trump.


What was the methodology for that survey? I didn't see it anywhere in the writeup, and it would be helpful to understand how young the poll skews.

I'm guessing a lot of that is the political "evangelical" more so that people like Hatmaker, Moore, and Liberty staff and students who would be more theological evangelicals.

cuervo72 10-13-2016 06:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 3123476)
Evangelicals seem to be sticking with Trump through this. Can't wait for these people to lecture us on "family values" in the future.


Michele Bachmann Warns Christians: Voting For Hillary Clinton Will Lead To Sexual Assaults | Huffington Post

MrBug708 10-13-2016 07:10 PM

Generally speaking, the only reason evangelicals* are is because of the Supreme Court and Roe v Wade.

RainMaker 10-13-2016 07:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrBug708 (Post 3123491)
Generally speaking, the only reason evangelicals* are is because of the Supreme Court and Roe v Wade.


This is true. Although gay marriage has made it into the landscape too.

I guess Trump does sort of match their beliefs since the Pro-Life movement has little to do with abortion and more to do with putting women in their place.


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