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bob 01-28-2023 02:35 PM

According to my quick research, the main cop in the George Floyd incident was fired the day after the incident and charged 4 days later

cuervo72 01-28-2023 02:50 PM

The difference with the Floyd case though is that there was a crowd and witnesses that took video. There was no way of suppressing it. I think it would have been easy here to bury the video (or lose it, or say something malfunctioned) and stick by the initial police report of the incident.

Edward64 01-28-2023 07:36 PM

Drone attack in Iran and Twitter is saying multiple places. No idea how big of an attack though.

Speculation is Israel. Wouldn’t think US would be that direct?

More to come.

GrantDawg 01-28-2023 10:44 PM

Attacks large enough to register a 5 on the Richter scale. Holy crap.

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GrantDawg 01-28-2023 10:45 PM

There is fighting going on near Iran's nuclear center.

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Edward64 01-28-2023 11:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GrantDawg (Post 3391647)
Attacks large enough to register a 5 on the Richter scale. Holy crap.

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I believe that is a naturally occurring earthquake.

Edward64 02-01-2023 07:01 PM

I don’t know if this is the right plan but it’s reassuring to know we are thinking new ways re: future conflicts vs China instead of rinse-and-repeat stuff.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-64294915
Quote:

The new plan sees the Marines as fighting dispersed operations across chains of islands. Units will be smaller, more spread out, but packing a much bigger punch through a variety of new weapons systems. Huge amphibious landings like in World War Two or massive deployments on land - like in Iraq - will probably be things of the past.

Most unpopular is the plan to cut back on foot soldiers and give up all its tanks. Such proposals have led some critics to feel the Corps is turning its back on its past.
Quote:

Its traditional role as America's military first responder, capable of taking on disparate challenges around the globe, is what critics believe could be compromised by the new plan with its clear focus upon China and the Indo-Pacific.

So what exactly is in the plan?

some infantry battalions - the foot soldiers - to be cut
around three-quarters of its towed artillery batteries replaced by long-range rocket systems
several helicopter squadrons are being cut
giving up all of its tanks


Atocep 02-01-2023 07:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Edward64 (Post 3392037)
I don’t know if this is the right plan but it’s reassuring to know we are thinking new ways re: future conflicts vs China instead of rinse-and-repeat stuff.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-64294915


This is all stuff that was being discussed for our armed forces when I was in. Tanks just haven't really been useful for us since the first gulf war. With drones, long range missile systems, and air superiority foot soldiers aren't as necessary either. They're really needed for securing areas we've already hit and for special operations. Helo's are just too easy to take down.

Atocep 02-01-2023 07:28 PM

What DeSantis is doing to public education in Florida is scary when you think about him as a potential President.

Western Civilization courses are mandatory and diversity classes are now banned. He's also taken over a public liberal arts college by replacing the board, firing the president, and replacing her with someone far more conservative. All in the name of "academic freedom"

Not to mention the war he started with The College Board over the African American Studies course that he pressured them to change and they did.

miked 02-01-2023 07:52 PM

It's funny, for a group of people who says the government is in too many people's lives, they want to dictate what schools can teach even at the college level. All in the name of "anti-woke" or something.

albionmoonlight 02-02-2023 07:53 AM



Biden's political superpower is that his image is so normal and moderate that people assume he's always the most reasonable guy in the room.

If Biden and McCarthy meet and both come out of the meeting saying that the other one is being unreasonable, people are going to assume that Biden is the one being reasonable--without any real regard to the actual reasonableness of their positions--because McCarthy has thrown his lot in with actual crazy people.

Like, when Biden says that he and Kevin (side note--love the use of first name there) are treating each other with respect, that actually hurts McCarthy with his base. But if he tries to push back against that--"Actually, I didn't treat the President with respect"--he loses moderates.

molson 02-02-2023 11:40 AM

Random observation, I noticed my conservative brother saying "Biden administration", a lot blaming it for this and that, like how he's boycotting Amazon because Whole Foods stopped buying non-sustainable lobster from Maine fisherman, hurting their livelihood, which was all the fault of the "Biden administration" for reasons I didn't try to grasp. But I did notice he kept using that term.

Then I was in a Lyft yesterday going to the airport in Las Vegas, and the driver had on conservative talk radio, which kept blaming the "Biden administration" for this and that. It stood out. I'm pretty sure that with Obama was president it was just "Obama" destroying America and so forth. I wonder if this is an intentional difference and what is behind it. Maybe the idea is that Biden isn't villainous enough because he's too old to be an evil mastermind, so it's more an evil administration?

Lathum 02-02-2023 11:56 AM

Heard him speak at the prayer breakfast today on the radio. He sounded great. Totally clear and coherent. Making jokes while getting the message across. Of course he isnt as sharp as he was, but it really irritates me the way the right tries to paint him as a drooling invalid who eats pudding all day.

Atocep 02-02-2023 12:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by molson (Post 3392071)
Random observation, I noticed my conservative brother saying "Biden administration", a lot blaming it for this and that, like how he's boycotting Amazon because Whole Foods stopped buying non-sustainable lobster from Maine fisherman, hurting their livelihood, which was all the fault of the "Biden administration" for reasons I didn't try to grasp. But I did notice he kept using that term.

Then I was in a Lyft yesterday going to the airport in Las Vegas, and the driver had on conservative talk radio, which kept blaming the "Biden administration" for this and that. It stood out. I'm pretty sure that with Obama was president it was just "Obama" destroying America and so forth. I wonder if this is an intentional difference and what is behind it. Maybe the idea is that Biden isn't villainous enough because he's too old to be an evil mastermind, so it's more an evil administration?


But what about "The Biden Crime Family"

albionmoonlight 02-02-2023 12:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by molson (Post 3392071)
Random observation, I noticed my conservative brother saying "Biden administration", a lot blaming it for this and that, like how he's boycotting Amazon because Whole Foods stopped buying non-sustainable lobster from Maine fisherman, hurting their livelihood, which was all the fault of the "Biden administration" for reasons I didn't try to grasp. But I did notice he kept using that term.

Then I was in a Lyft yesterday going to the airport in Las Vegas, and the driver had on conservative talk radio, which kept blaming the "Biden administration" for this and that. It stood out. I'm pretty sure that with Obama was president it was just "Obama" destroying America and so forth. I wonder if this is an intentional difference and what is behind it. Maybe the idea is that Biden isn't villainous enough because he's too old to be an evil mastermind, so it's more an evil administration?


I think that you are spot on. Obama was a black guy who's middle name is Hussain. He was the bad guy.

Biden is an old white guy who like ice cream. Hard to hate. You need to say "administration" to get in all of the queers and non-whites that are really running the country Weekend-At-Bernie's style.

Lathum 02-02-2023 12:43 PM

There is a reason why you haven’t heard nearly as much impeach Biden. They know or doesn’t sell. It’s why they are going after Myorkis now. Much more foreign sounding name. It’s also why they attacked mayor Pete following the southwest debacle.

PilotMan 02-02-2023 01:06 PM

Those people don't believe Biden is actually running anything anyway. He's a puppet and his "administration" is really running everything. He's not competent enough to do anything, is at fault for everything, because he's not good enough to know better, and is taking credit for things he's not doing.

Basically the opposite of trump, who was fully in charge of everything, not responsible for anything, and was fighting anyone in his administration who wasn't doing it his way.

GrantDawg 02-02-2023 01:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PilotMan (Post 3392086)
Those people don't believe Biden is actually running anything anyway. He's a puppet and his "administration" is really running everything. He's not competent enough to do anything, is at fault for everything, because he's not good enough to know better, and is taking credit for things he's not doing.

Basically the opposite of trump, who was fully in charge of everything, not responsible for anything, and was fighting anyone in his administration who wasn't doing it his way.

Yeah, that is what I was going to post until I saw yours. Most people I talk to on the Right think Biden is just a senile incompetent old man. Plus, they love demonizing VP Harris as the real person running the show. A black woman? It must be her destroying everything.

RainMaker 02-02-2023 02:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight (Post 3392079)
I think that you are spot on. Obama was a black guy who's middle name is Hussain. He was the bad guy.

Biden is an old white guy who like ice cream. Hard to hate. You need to say "administration" to get in all of the queers and non-whites that are really running the country Weekend-At-Bernie's style.


This is spot-on. Republicans have mostly given up on policy stuff. They don't tout anything. It's all about the person.

Obama is black with a foreign sounding name. Hillary is a woman. They are thus evil because of that.

Biden on the other hand is like you said, an old white guy who likes ice cream and fast cars. He's basically their ideal American. It's why I think someone like Mark Kelly would be impossible for them to beat.

RainMaker 02-02-2023 02:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PilotMan (Post 3392086)
Those people don't believe Biden is actually running anything anyway. He's a puppet and his "administration" is really running everything. He's not competent enough to do anything, is at fault for everything, because he's not good enough to know better, and is taking credit for things he's not doing.

Basically the opposite of trump, who was fully in charge of everything, not responsible for anything, and was fighting anyone in his administration who wasn't doing it his way.


This too. Biden is a likable guy so you have to act like he's not really in charge of anything.

cuervo72 02-02-2023 02:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 3392095)
Biden on the other hand is like you said, an old white guy who likes ice cream and fast cars. He's basically their ideal American. It's why I think someone like Mark Kelly would be impossible for them to beat.

And somehow in 1984 Democrats thought Walter Mondale was a better idea than John Glenn...

Edward64 02-02-2023 06:38 PM

Yeah baby, com’on back to the fold. Who needs TPP when we’ve got bases (and ANKUS), the better option. Right thing to do Bong Bong, don’t care if your dad was Marcos. Children shouldn’t be held accountable for sins of their parents.

Philippines is a country that we should target to build up militarily and economically. There’s some negative history there but for the most part the Philippines people like and prefer US over China.

Joe, drop Kamala and take Blinken (or Lloyd Austin?) as your VP.

Atocep 02-02-2023 09:24 PM

So I guess this is where we're at.


Edward64 02-02-2023 09:39 PM

I hope they fast track appeal this to SCOTUS.

Interesting to see the ‘final’ outcome

Swaggs 02-03-2023 07:29 AM

This is pretty concerning and not getting enough press:

John Roberts' Wife Allegations Spark Call for Supreme Court Scrutiny

The Chief Justice’s wife is being paid into the six-figures a pop by law firms to recruit attorneys. Isn’t this exactly the type of thing the GOP is frothing at the mouth over with Hunter Biden? Only it is clear and easily provable right now?

albionmoonlight 02-03-2023 08:16 AM

https://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...-labor-market/

If I were the GOP, I'd be focusing on social issues, too. Reality isn't being too kind to their economic arguments.

flere-imsaho 02-03-2023 08:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cuervo72 (Post 3392097)
And somehow in 1984 Democrats thought Walter Mondale was a better idea than John Glenn...


The history of Democratic Party electoral choices is a varied and idiotic story.

Thomkal 02-03-2023 08:51 AM

I'm sure its all made-up by the Biden Administration/leftist media to make him look good...

flere-imsaho 02-03-2023 08:51 AM

If gun restrictions can only have analogs to 1791 or 1868, does that mean that only guns available in those years can subject to 2nd amendment protections? :D

Atocep 02-03-2023 11:59 AM

Fox spent the last couple of days getting their viewers excited for a bad jobs report that released this morning. Then they glossed over it and quickly moved on when it reported 517k jobs added and the lowest unemployment rate since 1969.

Atocep 02-03-2023 12:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by flere-imsaho (Post 3392160)
If gun restrictions can only have analogs to 1791 or 1868, does that mean that only guns available in those years can subject to 2nd amendment protections? :D


We need a left leaning state to try it just to put an end to this madness.

Drake 02-03-2023 04:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Atocep (Post 3392130)
So I guess this is where we're at.


If we use the rationale that "if the Founding Fathers didn't care about it, we don't have to, either"...does that mean I can stop paying income taxes?

HerRealName 02-03-2023 04:32 PM

I'm confused by this balloon. Surely China has spy satellites capable of seeing everything anyway. What is the point of the balloon?

JPhillips 02-03-2023 04:41 PM

Someone suggested they might want to see how we shot it down.

Ksyrup 02-03-2023 08:08 PM

Apparently Fox News posted some breaking news and a [fake] video of the "balloon" exploding over Montana about an hour ago. But people are tracking it across the midwest and at about 6pm CT it was in western KY and earlier had crossed over St. Louis.

WTF is Fox doing?

Edward64 02-03-2023 09:00 PM

Probably probing our early warning system which apparently failed as this was first seen by civilians.

bhlloy 02-04-2023 03:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3392227)
Someone suggested they might want to see how we shot it down.


This makes a scary amount of sense to me, which is probably why we aren’t shooting it down (we are scared of debris in middle of nowhere Montana, really?)

They have probably already got a bunch of data about how we will react, how the public reacts, who and what is involved in the response, but yeah no need to give them any more. Probably next time it will be something that could be weaponized and see how the response differs.

albionmoonlight 02-04-2023 07:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Edward64 (Post 3392242)
Probably probing our early warning system which apparently failed as this was first seen by civilians.


First reported by civilians. I don’t think that the Pentagon is in the habit of truthfully telling the world what it can and can’t and did and didn’t detect.

(Though it is a good reminder of the reasons we all voted against Trump. If he were still President, he’d have felt personally embarrassed by the insinuation that he didn’t know what was happening, so he’d have given a press conference revealing all of the Top Secret stuff that military leaders told him in their “Don’t worry about the balloon, Sir” briefing).

flere-imsaho 02-04-2023 12:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Edward64 (Post 3392242)
Probably probing our early warning system which apparently failed as this was first seen by civilians.


I was not aware that NORAD made public every potential threat it detected, besides Santa.

Thomkal 02-04-2023 12:43 PM

Apparantly the balloon has made its way to the Myrtle Beach area-the FAA has issued a ground stop for the airport because of it

albionmoonlight 02-04-2023 12:48 PM

I imagine our military guys are telling their military guys that they really need to try and hide their spy balloons better. When they make them so obvious that even civilians can see them, it makes our whole Neo Cold War a lot more difficult to manage.

NobodyHere 02-04-2023 12:51 PM

Goodbye Iowa, Hello South Carolina!

Good-bye Iowa! Democrats approve Biden's revamped primary calendar

If I were to design a system of primary voting order, first I would create 50 voting day "slots" and scatter them across the primary calendar, one date can have more than one slot if you want to preserve days such as "Super Tuesday". Then I would take the states and rank them by voter turnout in the previous presidential election. And then those states one by one would get to pick which slot their primary is. I think states who encourage voter turnout should be rewarded.

Also this is a depressing reminder that the next election is right around the corner. But at least this time I probably won't have to see stupid ads of Tim Ryan throwing footballs at TVs

Lathum 02-04-2023 01:10 PM

This signals to me Biden is serious about a run. Curious if the party will rally around him, or if any alternate candidates come to the forefront. I think it is the former.

Despite the right wing echo chamber he's done a good job and while not as spry as he once was he isn't the brain dead fool the right portrays him as.

Thomkal 02-04-2023 01:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight (Post 3392281)
I imagine our military guys are telling their military guys that they really need to try and hide their spy balloons better. When they make them so obvious that even civilians can see them, it makes our whole Neo Cold War a lot more difficult to manage.



I turned the news over to Fox and they were broadcasting live with the balloon right over us here in Surfside Beach. So fair warning if I start turning into a mutant or get super powers :)

NobodyHere 02-04-2023 02:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 3392285)
This signals to me Biden is serious about a run. Curious if the party will rally around him, or if any alternate candidates come to the forefront. I think it is the former.

Despite the right wing echo chamber he's done a good job and while not as spry as he once was he isn't the brain dead fool the right portrays him as.


I can't see anyone primarying Biden if he chooses to run unless it was a Trumpy sort of person. It would cause fractions within the party and would certainly lead to a Republican victory.

Lathum 02-04-2023 02:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NobodyHere (Post 3392292)
I can't see anyone primarying Biden if he chooses to run unless it was a Trumpy sort of person. It would cause fractions within the party and would certainly lead to a Republican victory.


I agree, but given he didn't do well in Iowa or NH last cycle I think they want to start in SC so there is a perceived show of strength. Both to deter any others from running and to broadcast he is a force to be reckoned with in the general.

bronconick 02-04-2023 02:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 3392285)
This signals to me Biden is serious about a run. Curious if the party will rally around him, or if any alternate candidates come to the forefront. I think it is the former.

Despite the right wing echo chamber he's done a good job and while not as spry as he once was he isn't the brain dead fool the right portrays him as.



That, and the 2020 Iowa Caucuses were a disaster that they never want to repeat.

PilotMan 02-04-2023 02:29 PM

I can see the Fox headlines now.

"Biden fails to deter Chinese and state forced to down Spy balloon that terrorized a nation, on its OWN, before it fled the country! Impeach Biden!"

flere-imsaho 02-04-2023 04:43 PM

I think a good percentage of the Democratic party was tired of the first two states having electorates that come nowhere near mirroring national party membership and the tire fire in Iowa last time around gave them an excuse to finally make the change.

Edward64 02-04-2023 06:14 PM

Biden has exceeded my overall expectations (not stumbling too much, bipartisan deals, foreign policy, and especially vs China) and stands the best chance of beating Trump, so I do want him to run again (unless he significantly declines).

I would strongly prefer another VP though as the backup, Kamala does not fill me with confidence.

It would be good for Biden to delay formally announcing until the very last minute just to see how Trump is doing in the GOP.

Brian Swartz 02-04-2023 06:22 PM

Biden has underperformed my expectations, but of course been way better than Trump. I don't want him to run again just because I think his age is an issue at this point.

Democrats who can beat Trump at this point include basically anyone with a pulse. It would be possible to lose to him, but you'd have to really work hard at it. I don't think even Hillary could pull it off.

Ksyrup 02-04-2023 06:23 PM

I agree. Harris is a negative. I can't tell you how many Never Trumpers were good with Biden but had an extreme dislike for Harris. Plus, she didn't even do well in the primaries, and the potential future president thing is going to be a big deal in the next election. He would be well-served to move on from her.

Edward64 02-04-2023 06:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian Swartz (Post 3392313)
Democrats who can beat Trump at this point include basically anyone with a pulse. It would be possible to lose to him, but you'd have to really work hard at it. I don't think even Hillary could pull it off.


Kamala?

Galaril 02-04-2023 07:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Edward64 (Post 3392312)
Biden has exceeded my overall expectations (not stumbling too much, bipartisan deals, foreign policy, and especially vs China) and stands the best chance of beating Trump, so I do want him to run again (unless he significantly declines).

I would strongly prefer another VP though as the backup, Kamala does not fill me with confidence.

It would be good for Biden to delay formally announcing until the very last minute just to see how Trump is doing in the GOP.


If he runs I would like to see him pick Whitmer or Kelly as his VP.

Brian Swartz 02-04-2023 07:18 PM

The thing about Kamala is, you don't dump a sitting VP the same way a sitting President doesn't not run for re-election. I view them as a package deal. We either get Biden/Harris or neither of them.

@Edward64 - as a national politician, I agree with you on Kamala. She's on the short list of Democrats that I think Trump would stand a chance against.

Ksyrup 02-04-2023 07:19 PM

That's conventional thinking, but not necessarily a winning strategy. We'll see which one they care more about.

Ksyrup 02-04-2023 07:20 PM

It's uniquely important with an 82 year old starting a 4 year term.

Brian Swartz 02-04-2023 07:23 PM

I don't disagree with you on either point. I also don't see any way it happens. There are some things you just don't do in politics, even if you know you should.

flere-imsaho 02-04-2023 08:15 PM

I mean, even Trump didn't switch out his VP for his second campaign, and he broke almost every other "rule" that existed.

albionmoonlight 02-04-2023 08:19 PM

Good rule of thumb:

Quote:

The hysteria of various politicians during the balloon episode is a useful index of how seriously you should take them

Ghost Econ 02-05-2023 06:15 AM

404 - File or directory not found.

Quote:

The balloon did not pose a military or physical threat. Still its intrusion into American airspace over several days was an unacceptable violation of U.S. sovereignty. The official said Chinese balloons briefly transited the continental United States at least three times during the prior administration.

I look forward to seeing how this lowers Edward64's opinion of Joe Biden.

SirFozzie 02-05-2023 07:05 AM

File under "You don't actually have to hand it to them."

It's gotta be frustrating to the R's that every time they get mad at something Biden did or didn't do and say "THIS NEVER WOULD HAVE HAPPENED UNDER A TRUMP ADMINISTRATION". it turns out shortly thereafter that, yeah, it happened multiple times in a Trump Administration. It's like a dragon stoking the fire then trips and actually swallows its own fire.

Ksyrup 02-05-2023 07:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by flere-imsaho (Post 3392325)
I mean, even Trump didn't switch out his VP for his second campaign, and he broke almost every other "rule" that existed.


Because Pence was useful up to that point to appeal to mainstream GOPers. There was no reason.

Ksyrup 02-05-2023 07:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SirFozzie (Post 3392339)
File under "You don't actually have to hand it to them."

It's gotta be frustrating to the R's that every time they get mad at something Biden did or didn't do and say "THIS NEVER WOULD HAVE HAPPENED UNDER A TRUMP ADMINISTRATION". it turns out shortly thereafter that, yeah, it happened multiple times in a Trump Administration. It's like a dragon stoking the fire then trips and actually swallows its own fire.


It's still useful at the time as a cheap sound bite when their voting public doesn't care about the facts anyway. They see these points made on GOP media and dont see the aftermath when the truth is reported in mainstream media or these people fumble all over themselves answering questions on Meet the Press.

Edward64 02-05-2023 09:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ghost Econ (Post 3392337)
404 - File or directory not found.

I look forward to seeing how this lowers Edward64's opinion of Joe Biden.


Hey, I like Joe. As a whole he has many more pluses than minuses.

But to respond, it doesn’t. Joe wanted it shot down, experts said wait because not worth the risk. They publicly came out and said they told Joe this. I’m okay with that.

Now I do have doubts if the military actually knew about the balloon when they should have e.g. before entering US space.

Lathum 02-05-2023 10:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SirFozzie (Post 3392339)
File under "You don't actually have to hand it to them."

It's gotta be frustrating to the R's that every time they get mad at something Biden did or didn't do and say "THIS NEVER WOULD HAVE HAPPENED UNDER A TRUMP ADMINISTRATION". it turns out shortly thereafter that, yeah, it happened multiple times in a Trump Administration. It's like a dragon stoking the fire then trips and actually swallows its own fire.


They don't exist in reality. These are the same people holding SS hostage to get what they want when we need to raise the debt ceiling because THEIR guy is responsible for 25% of the total debt with nothing to show but tax cuts for the rich. These people aren't in any way grounded in reality

flere-imsaho 02-05-2023 10:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight (Post 3392327)
Good rule of thumb:


I'm honestly surprised that MTG didn't suggest Biden use his Jewish Space Lasers to shoot it down. Missed opportunity.

Edward64 02-05-2023 09:42 PM

Pretty good news. Not sure it’s that significant because Trump likely has other sources but good that more money will go to another GOP other than Trump.

Quote:

The deep-pocketed network associated with billionaire Charles Koch is preparing to throw its money and weight behind a single Republican candidate in the 2024 presidential primary – in a move that could significantly reshape the GOP field.:
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The memo does not mention Donald Trump, but an official with AFP Action confirmed to CNN that the network is not planning to support the former president’s White House bid.

GrantDawg 02-06-2023 07:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Edward64 (Post 3392390)
Pretty good news. Not sure it’s that significant because Trump likely has other sources but good that more money will go to another GOP other than Trump.

The Koch brothers have never supported him. They instead concentrated on GOP legislative campaign in 2016 and 2020, after the 2016 primary were the guys they would have liked lost.

NobodyHere 02-06-2023 07:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by flere-imsaho (Post 3392351)
I'm honestly surprised that MTG didn't suggest Biden use his Jewish Space Lasers to shoot it down. Missed opportunity.


I don't think the Jews would give their space lasers to a Catholic like Biden.

albionmoonlight 02-06-2023 07:20 AM


Ksyrup 02-06-2023 07:21 AM

For the Koch thing to succeed, they have to convince a bunch of hopefuls to stand down and coalesce behind one candidate against Trump. If they can't do that, no amount of mony in the world is going to sway Trump voters in a 10-12 candidate field. The only way to win is to consolidate the anti-Trump vote behind one person, early on. I don't bet on it happening.

Lathum 02-06-2023 07:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ksyrup (Post 3392416)
For the Koch thing to succeed, they have to convince a bunch of hopefuls to stand down and coalesce behind one candidate against Trump. If they can't do that, no amount of mony in the world is going to sway Trump voters in a 10-12 candidate field. The only way to win is to consolidate the anti-Trump vote behind one person, early on. I don't bet on it happening.


this has been my stance all along and I agree. Everyone is going to think they can beak a weakened Trump and his base will lead him to a primary victory with a minority of the vote.

The interesting thing will be if Trump does win the nomination do people fall in line again or bail on him.

JPhillips 02-06-2023 07:51 AM

We know the answer to the second part. Even people like Hogan are saying they will support the nominee.

albionmoonlight 02-06-2023 07:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3392419)
We know the answer to the second part. Even people like Hogan are saying they will support the nominee.


It is amazing that even in 2023 people still have this idea that there's a notable #NeverTrump group within the GOP.

If you are anti-Trump you left the GOP years ago. Anyone who still calls themselves a Republican is pro-Trump (or a very vocal anti-Trump like Liz Cheney, but you can count those people on one hand).

Ksyrup 02-06-2023 09:13 AM

Yeah, Hogan has fallen back in line. His latest thing is "I'll vote GOP but I don't think it will be Trump" - that's as anti-Trump as he'll be now. Even Sununu is walking back his comments last year about Trump being crazy as a "joke."

Anyone who wants a career in the current party they are in will continue to outwardly support their party. They may test the winds from time to time hoping they start to blow different ways, but once they encounter a stiff breeze back at them, they stand down. And yes, this is a current GOP issue only because of the Trump threat, but it's no less true on the other side. It's just that the consequences aren't nearly as immediate or drastic. Both sides are almost entirely party over country.

Lathum 02-06-2023 09:38 AM

I meant more the money, Murdoch, et.... Obviously to go against Trump is political suicide for those in office.

albionmoonlight 02-06-2023 12:08 PM

State of the Union is tomorrow.

I'd love to have a President go back to the old days and just deliver it in writing.

One of the more pointless events on the political calendar, IMO.

Ksyrup 02-06-2023 12:19 PM

It's good for approximately 1/2 of Congress to get in some calisthenics at least once every year.

cuervo72 02-06-2023 12:39 PM

I generally try to avoid them.

GrantDawg 02-06-2023 12:53 PM

Haven't watched in years. Even Pre-Trump, why watch when you can get the highlights immediately on your phone? I will do something more entertaining. At least Obama was a good orator. Clinton was as well. Bush, Trump and Biden are really painful to watch try to give high-oratory speeches.

NobodyHere 02-07-2023 12:12 PM

Rainmaker will be sure to like this proposal:

In State of the Union, Biden will propose quadrupling the tax on corporate stock buybacks - MarketWatch

Not that it will ever get past the House.

albionmoonlight 02-07-2023 02:26 PM

Probably too late to put it in the State of the Union, but maybe Biden could throw in a line or two about the Democrats being against putting kids back into the mines:


sterlingice 02-07-2023 02:32 PM

Anything to avoid raising wages

Also, the drastically increasing liability shield for companies over the last couple of decades reminds us just how screwed we are as individuals.

SI

RainMaker 02-07-2023 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by albionmoonlight (Post 3392415)



Funny how a $1200 check a couple years ago upended the economy in their mind but the billions in handouts through PPP and other pandemic programs that subsidized businesses is ignored.

Edward64 02-07-2023 03:56 PM

CNN article says China is in crisis mode in responding to the balloon(s).

Just find a scape goat (done, the weather guy), say sorry won’t happen again (but don’t passively threaten the ‘victim’), and invite Blinken to visit in March.

Then, if it wasn’t Xi, he should take care of this privately.

NobodyHere 02-07-2023 09:34 PM

I didn't watch the SotU but according to liberal forums Joe Biden just solved the Social InSecurity problem.

Atocep 02-07-2023 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by NobodyHere (Post 3392589)
I didn't watch the SotU but according to liberal forums Joe Biden just solved the Social InSecurity problem.


Completely played republicans on that one.

Not bad for a guy suffering from dementia that care barely speak. Or maybe that was one of the actors playing him.

Galaril 02-08-2023 06:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Atocep (Post 3392599)
Completely played republicans on that one.

Not bad for a guy suffering from dementia that care barely speak. Or maybe that was one of the actors playing him.


Yes he sure did. Man he really abused them in that speech. They stepped repeatedly into the bear trap.

Ksyrup 02-08-2023 06:43 AM

When is Trump's SOTU for the "real" government?

Thomkal 02-08-2023 06:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Ksyrup (Post 3392608)
When is Trump's SOTU for the "real" government?



His former Press Secretary already took care of that.

GrantDawg 02-08-2023 07:22 AM

"Who, me?"

bronconick 02-08-2023 12:35 PM

Then we have Rick Scott wanting to sunset not Social Security and Medicare, but all federal legislation. Because Congress is known for passing necessary bills in a timely and expedient manner.

albionmoonlight 02-08-2023 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by bronconick (Post 3392646)
Then we have Rick Scott wanting to sunset not Social Security and Medicare, but all federal legislation. Because Congress is known for passing necessary bills in a timely and expedient manner.


I don't want to live in a world where whether we have an army or not depends on Lauren Bobert's mood that day.

RainMaker 02-08-2023 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by albionmoonlight (Post 3392649)
I don't want to live in a world where whether we have an army or not depends on Lauren Bobert's mood that day.


They'll make exceptions for things like the military, energy subsidies, tax cuts for the wealthy, etc.

RainMaker 02-08-2023 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by NobodyHere (Post 3392535)
Rainmaker will be sure to like this proposal:

In State of the Union, Biden will propose quadrupling the tax on corporate stock buybacks - MarketWatch

Not that it will ever get past the House.


I don't think that will ever happen for obvious reasons. Dems could have tried to pass it when they had control over everything. I think they're only proposing it now because it'd be DOA in the House.

Dems love the idea of taxing the rich when they don't have power just as Republicans start caring about the deficit when they don't have power.

Edward64 02-09-2023 05:24 AM

Probably didn’t happen but he did go into great detail in his substack article. WH denies it of course but I would like to see more analysis/rebuttal of the article

Seymour Hersh claims US Navy behind Nord Stream 2 pipeline explosion
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WASHINGTON — Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist Seymour Hersh has alleged US Navy divers laid bombs that destroyed the Nord Stream 2 natural gas pipeline under the Baltic Sea last September, drawing a denial from the Pentagon Wednesday.

Hersh, who scooped journalism’s top award more than five decades ago for exposing the My Lai massacre of Vietnamese civilians by US troops in 1968, cited an unnamed source in reporting on Substack that Americans planted remotely triggered explosives that wrecked three of the four pipelines built to carry natural gas from Russia to Europe.

GrantDawg 02-09-2023 09:35 AM

Intresting. They knew the balloon had signal intelligence equipment, but they also knew that the military was able to prevent it from being effective.
Chinese spy balloon contained technology to monitor communication signals, US says | CNN Politics

Edward64 02-10-2023 06:27 AM

Hard to believe Xi did not know about it. I wonder if the intel is based on good info/humint or just speculation.

The US says Xi didn't know about the balloon. That raises even more questions | CNN
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Washington believes the balloon shot down over the Atlantic on Saturday is part of an extensive Chinese surveillance program – but that Xi Jinping, China’s most powerful leader in decades, may not have been aware of the mission.

The assessment was communicated to American lawmakers in briefings Thursday, according to CNN reporting – and if true, could point to what analysts say would be a significant lack of coordination within the Chinese system at a fraught period of China-US relations.

Quote:

Biden officials expressed the belief that both the senior leadership of the People’s Liberation Army and Chinese Communist Party, including Xi, were also unaware of the balloon mission over the US, and that China is still trying to figure out how this happened, a source familiar with the Thursday briefing to Congress told CNN.
Below is more likely IMO. Maybe watch for any leadership changes shortly as a hint if this was done with or without Xi's knowledge.

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But some observers of elite Chinese politics remain skeptical that Xi would have been unaware of a balloon dispatched to US airspace or that lower-level officials would conduct such a mission that could impact US-China relations without his knowledge.
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Instead, Xi may have been comfortable with an incident that diverted the attention of a public frustrated amid a faltering economy after years under the recently dismantled zero-Covid policy – but underestimated the US domestic response that resulted in the postponed talks, Wu said.

JPhillips 02-10-2023 07:52 AM

At this very moment, the greatest minds in the Labour party are scheming to fuck this up.



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