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JPhillips 10-11-2016 06:37 PM


SirFozzie 10-11-2016 06:51 PM

Not to mention, LePage keeps getting elected only because two other people split the vote:

2010: (R) LePage 37.6%, (I) Cutler 35.9%, (D) Mitchell 18.8%
2014 (R) LePage 48.2%, (D) Michaud 43.4%, (I) Cutler 8.4%

BillJasper 10-11-2016 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by larrymcg421 (Post 3123130)
Oooooof.



Stuff like this just makes it worse. Say your candidate fucked up badly, that you still think he's the best person for the job and try to move the conversation to the issues.

Galaxy 10-11-2016 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by CrescentMoonie (Post 3123126)
Are Trump voters the GOP base? By the end of the second Super Tuesday, he had won 19 state primaries, but only 5 of those were closed. Prior to the roll he got on when the race was whittled down to just 3 candidates, his pull was coming from places where there was at least the possibility that those voting for him weren't standard GOP voters.


So should the GOP adopt closed primaries from now on? Was it still an outsider year with Trump and Cruz leading the pack?

BishopMVP 10-11-2016 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by SirFozzie (Post 3123156)
Not to mention, LePage keeps getting elected only because two other people split the vote:

2010: (R) LePage 37.6%, (I) Cutler 35.9%, (D) Mitchell 18.8%
2014 (R) LePage 48.2%, (D) Michaud 43.4%, (I) Cutler 8.4%


2010 yes, but 48.2% is pretty standard in contested elections. No way to prove it, but I wouldn't be surprised if half or more of those who still voted for Cutler after he semi-withdrew in 2014 had no intention of voting for any establishment candidate, even if Michaud was much closer to their views than LePage.

CrescentMoonie 10-11-2016 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Galaxy (Post 3123159)
So should the GOP adopt closed primaries from now on? Was it still an outsider year with Trump and Cruz leading the pack?


Maybe? Think about who the establishment guys were this year. Bush clearly didn't want it at all. Rubio was a robot. Kasich had no business being the last traditional GOP candidate. The huge field may have spread the vote thin amongst the typical options without cutting into the "outsiders" like Trump and Cruz. The turnout was also higher than usual, suggesting that Trump was drawing new people in. I can't say that for sure, but I don't know if I buy Trump as ever having been the choice of the base. It feels to me like it's more of a case of the base trying to stomach having Trump win the nomination than ever truly getting behind him.

mckerney 10-11-2016 11:47 PM

Trump told a rally in Florida tonight to vote on November 28th, I think his GOTV effort could use a little work.

larrymcg421 10-11-2016 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by mckerney (Post 3123191)
Trump told a rally in Florida tonight to vote on November 28th, I think his GOTV effort could use a little work.


He also might want to rethink his ad buys for November.

Galaxy 10-12-2016 01:34 AM

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Originally Posted by BillJasper (Post 3123157)
Stuff like this just makes it worse. Say your candidate fucked up badly, that you still think he's the best person for the job and try to move the conversation to the issues.


It's scary how Carson was considered to be a world-class neurosurgeon. I have no doubt that he was, but dear lord.

SackAttack 10-12-2016 02:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Galaxy (Post 3123201)
It's scary how Carson was considered to be a world-class neurosurgeon. I have no doubt that he was, but dear lord.


"Ben, this reminds me of the time you tried to drill a hole in your head. Remember that?"

"That would have worked if you hadn't stopped me."

Kodos 10-12-2016 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by mckerney (Post 3123191)
Trump told a rally in Florida tonight to vote on November 28th, I think his GOTV effort could use a little work.


They should definitely go to vote on the 28th. That's perfect.

Mizzou B-ball fan 10-12-2016 10:46 AM




AlexB 10-12-2016 10:51 AM

Bugger, looks like women have been right all along. Men ARE idiots.

Ben E Lou 10-12-2016 11:01 AM

For some reason this is in my head...


Easy Mac 10-12-2016 11:06 AM

[hot take]It's no wonder the US has been on decline since 1920[/hot take]

digamma 10-12-2016 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Easy Mac (Post 3123221)
[hot take]It's no wonder the US has been on decline since 1920[/hot take]


#MAGA

Subby 10-12-2016 11:25 AM

This is pretty powerful...



larrymcg421 10-12-2016 11:26 AM

A Reuters poll today has the Dems up 46-36 in the Generic Congressional Ballot.

digamma 10-12-2016 11:34 AM

Yeah, but it's the Congressmen in the other districts that are the problem.

CraigSca 10-12-2016 11:54 AM

Jimmy Kimmel and Adam Carolla - End Womens Suffrage ( The Man Show segment) - YouTube

larrymcg421 10-12-2016 12:22 PM

Wow....

Utah Poll from Deseret News:

Clinton 26, Trump 26, McMullin 22, Johnson 14

ISiddiqui 10-12-2016 12:27 PM

Who the Hell is McMullin?

Ben E Lou 10-12-2016 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by ISiddiqui (Post 3123229)
Who the Hell is McMullin?

Evan McMullin for President

Basically a conservative alternative to Trump. He's the odds-on favorite to get my vote at this point.

Issues - Evan McMullin for President

molson 10-12-2016 12:32 PM

McMullin is a former CIA operative who started his campaign just a few months ago, but has managed to get on the ballot in a handful of states. He's a Mormon, so Utah should be his best state. I didn't think he was well-known enough to be an actual spoiler there though. He seems pretty moderate, as in, pro-life and anti-gay marriage, but says Republicans should also move on from the gay marriage debate, and work to reduce unintended pregnancies and the need for abortions. He's also very pro-military.

digamma 10-12-2016 12:40 PM

Looks like he's on the ballot in 11 states: Arkansas, Colorado, Idaho, Iowa, Kentucky, Louisiana, Minnesota, New Mexico, South Carolina, Utah and Virginia.

mckerney 10-12-2016 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by molson (Post 3123231)
McMullin is a former CIA operative who started his campaign just a few months ago, but has managed to get on the ballot in a handful of states. He's a Mormon, so Utah should be his best state. I didn't think he was well-known enough to be an actual spoiler there though. He seems pretty moderate, as in, pro-life and anti-gay marriage, but says Republicans should also move on from the gay marriage debate, and work to reduce unintended pregnancies and the need for abortions. He's also very pro-military.


I've read the Mormon dream in Utah is that he wins the state, Hillary and Donald both fall short of 270 and the House elects McMullin.

molson 10-12-2016 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by mckerney (Post 3123233)
I've read the Mormon dream in Utah is that he wins the state, Hillary and Donald both fall short of 270 and the House elects McMullin.


That's either a Mormon dream or the plot of the next season of Homeland.

stevew 10-12-2016 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by ISiddiqui (Post 3123229)
Who the Hell is McMullin?


Furthermore wtf is a Mindy Finn?

molson 10-12-2016 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by stevew (Post 3123236)
Furthermore wtf is a Mindy Finn?


All I know is that she was born in the 80s.

bob 10-12-2016 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by molson (Post 3123234)
That's either a Mormon dream or the plot of the next season of Homeland.


See Veep

ISiddiqui 10-12-2016 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by mckerney (Post 3123233)
I've read the Mormon dream in Utah is that he wins the state, Hillary and Donald both fall short of 270 and the House elects McMullin.


Mormons are more delusional than I thought.

CrescentMoonie 10-12-2016 01:12 PM

A Mormon and a Jew walk into bar...and run for President?

flere-imsaho 10-12-2016 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by molson (Post 3123234)
That's either a Mormon dream or the plot of the next season of Homeland.


:D

nol 10-12-2016 01:15 PM

How one 19-year-old Illinois man is disrupting national polling averages

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Our Trump-supporting friend in Illinois is a surprisingly big part of the reason. In some polls, he’s weighted as much as 30 times more than the average respondent, and as much as 300 times more than the least-weighted respondent.

Alone, he has been enough to put Mr. Trump in double digits of support among black voters. He can improve Mr. Trump’s margin by 1 point in the survey, even though he is one of around 3,000 panelists.

He is also the reason Mrs. Clinton took the lead in the U.S.C./LAT poll for the first time in a month on Wednesday. The poll includes only the last seven days of respondents, and he hasn’t taken the poll since Oct. 4. Mrs. Clinton surged once he was out of the sample for the first time in several weeks.

NobodyHere 10-12-2016 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by CrescentMoonie (Post 3123240)
A Mormon and a Jew walk into bar...and run for President?


McMullin/Sanders 2016? I could vote for that.

flere-imsaho 10-12-2016 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by BishopMVP (Post 3123149)
That's actually a tame media appearance by that nutcase. Maine's actually a pretty weird place. Everything from the NH border to about 30 min north of Portland (and maybe a pocket or two around Bar Harbor) is typical northeastern liberal, then the other 80% of the state by area is full of hicks with some French-Canadian inflections thrown in. They should just give people who own vacation property there full voting rights since we're probably paying half the real estate taxes anyways ;)


From August:

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Originally Posted by flere-imsaho (Post 3114953)
What Libertarian streak Maine may once have had (and I don't think it ever really did) pretty much doesn't exist anymore. Maine's basically two halves. The southern part of the state (first congressional district) is very liberal, 50% "urban" and is basically the reason Clinton leads by 10 points in the state overall.

The northern part of the state (second congressional district, 70% rural) is essentially Appalachia and buys in hard to Trump's rhetoric. He's ahead in that district and because Maine splits its electoral votes, he may get those: RealClearPolitics - Election 2016 - Maine CD2: Trump vs. Clinton

Once upon a time there was a strong independent streak in the state that emphasized fiscal conservatism and tolerance on social issues (of the "it's none of my or your business" variety). The collapse of traditional mill, paper, and agricultural jobs in the 2nd district especially, combined with a rising opoid epidemic, however, have given rise to the kind of angry, populist movement now seen in Trump, but also seen in Governor Paul LePage.

Anyway, more explanation than was needed, but I grew up here, and moved back 3 years ago.


CrescentMoonie 10-12-2016 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by NobodyHere (Post 3123243)
McMullin/Sanders 2016? I could vote for that.


Apparently Finn is Jewish, at least from the bits of bio info online.

Thomkal 10-12-2016 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by ISiddiqui (Post 3123229)
Who the Hell is McMullin?


tsk, tsk people, I mentioned him several pages ago :) He's the Mormon replacement for Mitt Romney-was able to get on the ballot in Utah and a few late registering states. Not surprised he's competetive in Utah.

Galaxy 10-12-2016 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by digamma (Post 3123232)
Looks like he's on the ballot in 11 states: Arkansas, Colorado, Idaho, Iowa, Kentucky, Louisiana, Minnesota, New Mexico, South Carolina, Utah and Virginia.

The guy couldn't even properly put the right VP on the ballots.

Subby 10-12-2016 01:55 PM

"I think nobody knows more about taxes than I do, maybe in the history of the world. Nobody knows more about taxes."

Donald Trump Tax Plan Would Add to Debt and Hillary Clinton’s Wouldn’t, Study Finds

Subby 10-12-2016 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by molson (Post 3123231)
He seems pretty moderate, as in, pro-life and anti-gay marriage, but says Republicans should also move on from the gay marriage debate, and work to reduce unintended pregnancies and the need for abortions. He's also very pro-military.

Shows how far right the GOP has gone when this is considered a moderate position.

cuervo72 10-12-2016 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Subby (Post 3123252)
Shows how far right the GOP has gone when this is considered a moderate position.


You'd really think that "reduce unintended pregnancies and the need for abortions" would be a no-brainer, but no:

Colorado's Long-Lasting Birth Control Program For Teens May Not Last Long : It's All Politics : NPR

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When seed money from the Buffett foundation ran out this summer, Hickenlooper asked for state funding to continue the program. But Republican state lawmakers like Rep. Kathleen Conti said no. Conti complains that the long-acting birth control is too expensive and sends the wrong message to teenagers who should instead be taught to refrain from sex.

Pregnancies aren't the issue. As we see with the anti-gay stances, the goal is to legislate and control how people have sex.

But you know, less government and "freedom!" and all that bullshit.

Subby 10-12-2016 02:21 PM



Galaxy 10-12-2016 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Subby (Post 3123251)
"I think nobody knows more about taxes than I do, maybe in the history of the world. Nobody knows more about taxes."

Donald Trump Tax Plan Would Add to Debt and Hillary Clinton’s Wouldn’t, Study Finds


Hillary's tax and spending plans will go no where, considering it's very likely that the GOP will maintain control of the House for at least the next six years.

nol 10-12-2016 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Subby (Post 3123258)



That's her body double though. Think they just came up with one for the pneumonia thing?

Ryche 10-12-2016 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Subby (Post 3123251)
"I think nobody knows more about taxes than I do, maybe in the history of the world. Nobody knows more about taxes."

Donald Trump Tax Plan Would Add to Debt and Hillary Clinton’s Wouldn’t, Study Finds


Well, his accountants probably know more...can we elect them instead?

Subby 10-12-2016 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by nol (Post 3123262)
That's her body double though. Think they just came up with one for the pneumonia thing?

I don't want to start a rumor but I'm pretty sure that is a mannequin. Just look at the way it is standing. That's not real. Every time Rudy looked away one of her (LIKELY) gay interns would pick it up and move it a few more feet.

Chief Rum 10-12-2016 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Subby (Post 3123270)
I don't want to start a rumor but I'm pretty sure that is a mannequin. Just look at the way it is standing. That's not real. Every time Rudy looked away one of her (LIKELY) gay interns would pick it up and move it a few more feet.


To be fair, if you shook the hand of a HRC mannequin and HRC herself, do you really think you could tell the difference?

Subby 10-12-2016 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Rum (Post 3123272)
To be fair, if you shook the hand of a HRC mannequin and HRC herself, do you really think you could tell the difference?

Pretty sure mannequins can't shake hands. TRY AND KEEP UP. :D

Chief Rum 10-12-2016 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Subby (Post 3123274)
Pretty sure mannequins can't shake hands. TRY AND KEEP UP. :D


You just can't see the (LIKELY) gay intern behind her moving her hand.


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