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RainMaker 05-14-2024 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Atocep (Post 3432767)
It won't be Biden's fault despite what they'll all tell themselves.


It's never the candidates fault for being unable to secure enough votes to win. It's everyone else's fault!

PilotMan 05-14-2024 07:53 PM

I find the game of hot potato that biden and trump are playing with RFK Jr to be odd, and amazing.

albionmoonlight 05-15-2024 07:51 AM

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...ntial-debates/

It'll never happen. Trump can't give a TelePrompted speech without slurring or getting confused. His handlers won't let him near a debate stage.

albionmoonlight 05-15-2024 07:52 AM

dola: But smart of Biden to call him out like this. He needs to keep the pressure up.

Lathum 05-15-2024 08:17 AM

Biden needs to continue to challenge him but it doesn't matter. The right wing media machine will spin it that Trump is challenging Biden and sleepy Joe is afraid and too old and feeble.

albionmoonlight 05-15-2024 08:54 AM

I agree. Biden needs to pretty much go around the media on this--do as much as he can to try and talk to the voters directly.

I like it b/c it's kind of a double win for Biden if he pulls it off. It undercuts the idea that he is feeble and confused because he is the one pushing for a debate. And it undercuts the idea that Trump is some sort of tough guy b/c Trump is the one ducking it.

Of course, the Trump handlers will make some totally unreasonable demands like having Joe Rogan moderate or something, and then they will blame Biden's people for not agreeing to it. And the media will bothsides it.

But there's enough political upside here that I am glad Biden is trying.

RainMaker 05-15-2024 03:45 PM

There has been some buzz over Haley as the VP pick. Trump shot it down so not sure if it's coming from the Haley camp hoping she gets picked or just some in the establishment looking for Trump to throw them a bone.

It'd be the smartest thing Trump could do which is why he won't do it. He can hate her all he wants but that would devastate the Biden campaign.

GrantDawg 05-15-2024 04:35 PM

It is interesting that both want to exclude the Council for Presidential Debates. No in-person audiences, just the debaters and moderators.

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Edward64 05-15-2024 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 3431159)
I don't want Trump to win and I will not be voting for him. Neither major candidate is interested in my vote and that's fair. Candidates can cater to the voters they want.


So who are you voting for?

RainMaker 05-15-2024 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Edward64 (Post 3432835)
So who are you voting for?


I'll just skip the race and vote in the other ones. Illinois doesn't require you to vote in every race.

Edward64 05-15-2024 06:19 PM

Always easy to attack.

How about in a perfect world, who would be your candidate? Living, eligible to run for president etc.

Edward64 05-15-2024 06:32 PM

Looking forward to the supposed Jun & Sep debates.

Dreading it some but I can see it help Joe if he holds his own. If it’s a bad day, he gets confused etc. I can see it really hurt him.

But the public deserves at least one debate.

RainMaker 05-15-2024 06:40 PM

Out of people who could conceivably run, I think JB Pritzker or Phil Murphy would make good candidates. Maybe Sherrod Brown or Katie Porter. I don't know. Dems haven't exactly been building up their bench over the years.

RainMaker 05-15-2024 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by GrantDawg (Post 3432833)
It is interesting that both want to exclude the Council for Presidential Debates. No in-person audiences, just the debaters and moderators.


Republicans quit the CPD in 2022 because they said it was biased. Biden wants to avoid it because their criteria could include RFK Jr.

GrantDawg 05-17-2024 11:30 AM


Lathum 05-17-2024 11:36 AM

The GOP doesn't care. They will call him a smart businessman

flere-imsaho 05-17-2024 11:36 AM

Really, though, there's no difference on climate change between Biden & Trump.

RainMaker 05-19-2024 01:13 PM

Good idea to run Kari Lake again for a major position.


Lathum 05-19-2024 04:08 PM

It never ceases to amaze me that these down ballot MAGAs think they can act like Trump and it will resonate the same.

RainMaker 05-19-2024 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by flere-imsaho (Post 3432975)
Really, though, there's no difference on climate change between Biden & Trump.


lol

How US oil production hit a record under Biden despite climate policies

GrantDawg 05-20-2024 06:19 AM

I think maybe this illustrates people don't feel like the economy is good? Adjusted for inflation, the Dow Jones has grown ay less than 1% a year in the last 3 years.


Raiders Army 05-20-2024 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by albionmoonlight (Post 3432798)
https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...ntial-debates/

It'll never happen. Trump can't give a TelePrompted speech without slurring or getting confused. His handlers won't let him near a debate stage.


Damn. I’m not sure if you are confused here. Biden is confused and babbling as hell.

Lathum 05-21-2024 08:09 AM

There is no depth...


https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/202...dia-rcna153214

PilotMan 05-21-2024 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by GrantDawg (Post 3433119)
I think maybe this illustrates people don't feel like the economy is good? Adjusted for inflation, the Dow Jones has grown ay less than 1% a year in the last 3 years.





trump poured a trillion dollars worth of gasoline on an economy that was growing by 3% per year. I could draw a line between that cash influx and the resulting inflationary impact from it. So you have the leading indicator that household income jumped and then you have the trailing indicator of inflation taking hold in the years following that cash influx.


Ghost Econ 05-21-2024 11:14 AM

So is this the Reich time to talk about the video Trump posted this morning?

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna153214

Atocep 05-21-2024 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Ghost Econ (Post 3433185)
So is this the Reich time to talk about the video Trump posted this morning?

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna153214


Biden posted the same thing 3 weeks ago on Sportsdigs

Bobble 05-21-2024 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Ghost Econ (Post 3433185)
So is this the Reich time to talk about the video Trump posted this morning?

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna153214


Thanks for the video. I did Nazi that.

Atocep 05-21-2024 11:38 AM

It's crazy how right wing news covers Trump and how uninformed GOP voters are in general. I saw sharpiegate referenced on another board by someone on the left and the right wing posters called it an obscure reference and none of them were aware it happened.

Lathum 05-21-2024 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Atocep (Post 3433188)
It's crazy how right wing news covers Trump and how uninformed GOP voters are in general. I saw sharpiegate referenced on another board by someone on the left and the right wing posters called it an obscure reference and none of them were aware it happened.


The echo chamber they have created is astonishing.

In the past I tried to explain things to my very MAGA mother in law, who has gone full on Newsmax because FOX was to left leaning. She usually just glazes over or claims it is fake news. there really is no getting through to these people. I have given up.

RainMaker 05-21-2024 03:40 PM

Echo chambers suck but why is the sharpie thing supposed to matter? It was a dumb, sort of funny thing that ended up being inconsequential. Out of all the legitimate criticisms of Trump, I don't get why there is such a huge focus on inconsequential stuff like whether he farted in court or threw ketchup against the wall. I get that plays with MSNBC viewers but do average citizens really give a shit if they can't find affordable housing or have 6-figure student debt?

Atocep 05-21-2024 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 3433202)
Echo chambers suck but why is the sharpie thing supposed to matter? It was a dumb, sort of funny thing that ended up being inconsequential. Out of all the legitimate criticisms of Trump, I don't get why there is such a huge focus on inconsequential stuff like whether he farted in court or threw ketchup against the wall. I get that plays with MSNBC viewers but do average citizens really give a shit if they can't find affordable housing or have 6-figure student debt?


It was another board where it came in passing as a joke and the right wingers didn't get it. Once linked they called it obscure and none of them had apparently heard of it.

It's not a big deal, but it's is an example of how certain things just aren't covered by the same networks that make ice cream and tan suits the end of decomracy.

JonInMiddleGA 05-21-2024 04:29 PM

Just using this thread for a general (rather than General) election comment.

I'd love to have the energy to get myself motivated to run out and vote today but ... well, there's a pair of statewide (judicial "non-partisan" officially, a laughable claim in reality) primaries on my ballot and that's the only contested races. In a state where, God willing, I won't even be by the time either would take office.

I guess I feel juuuuuust enough guilt about not being able to make myself bother with it to acknowledge the shortcoming publicly.

But that's about it.

molson 05-21-2024 05:04 PM

I've playfully thought about running for Democratic nominee for my state's AG's office. I'd probably win. Usually there's no real candidates. It's been a long time since there were even as many as two who ran. I'd definitely be the most experienced public service attorney candidate for that job on the Dem side in many decades. Then I'd get trounced by the Republican nominee in the general election. But I'd be in the history books, and I could use any campaign contributions to pay off hookers, and maybe also order some sweet pint glasses with my slogan on it, which would be, "Molson - why not?" or maybe "Molson - if you were running I'd vote for you."

Atocep 05-21-2024 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by molson (Post 3433213)
I've playfully thought about running for Democratic nominee for my state's AG's office. I'd probably win. Usually there's no real candidates. It's been a long time since there were even as many as two who ran. I'd definitely be the most experienced public service attorney candidate for that job on the Dem side in many decades. Then I'd get trounced by the Republican nominee in the general election. But I'd be in the history books, and I could use any campaign contributions to pay off hookers, and maybe also order some sweet pint glasses with my slogan on it, which would be, "Molson - why not?" or maybe "Molson - if you were running I'd vote for you."


Molson - Could I really make Idaho any worse?

Molson - Here to deliver because our hospitals can't

PilotMan 05-21-2024 05:18 PM

Molson - Not Canadian; Not Beer; Not Queer either - Idaho ftw!

molson 05-21-2024 05:27 PM

If you guys are willing to quit your jobs and run my campaign, you're hired.

JonInMiddleGA 05-21-2024 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by molson (Post 3433213)
and maybe also order some sweet pint glasses with my slogan on it, which would be, "Molson - why not?" or maybe "Molson - if you were running I'd vote for you."


This is toooo easy lol


Molson makes it golden
or
Things are different up here.
or
We’ll drink to that.

(Yep, all three have been actual Molson beer slogans in the past)

JPhillips 05-21-2024 07:06 PM

Probably better than I am Canadian!

Atocep 05-21-2024 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by molson (Post 3433220)
If you guys are willing to quit your jobs and run my campaign, you're hired.


It would continue the tradition of coming to Washington any time the state needs something.

JPhillips 05-22-2024 07:32 AM

Bloomberg has NV tied after NYT had it at Trump +13.

Both are high quality polls, but something is obviously very different.

cuervo72 05-22-2024 07:51 AM

Y'know, didn't it come out that Trump messed with some "famous business man poll"? I don't know exactly how he would do it, but it sure would go with his MO to try to manipulate polls, and then if he didn't win claim it was rigged because LOOK AT THE POLLS! EVERYWHERE HAD ME AHEAD! Of course he wouldn't think/care enough to actually tamper with down-ballot polls.

Now, I doubt anyone is actually doing this, but I wouldn't doubt it would be something he'd try.

Atocep 05-22-2024 10:50 AM

Trump and his cronies are now suggesting the Mar a Lago raid was part of a plan by Biden to use the DOJ to assassinate Trump and he was tipped of prior.


Edit: it's funny that I'm supposed to believe that Biden is incompetent, in deep cognitive decline, and asleep at the wheel while at the same time believing he's a supervillain mastermind constantly making untraceable moves again Trump and MAGA to rig elections and take out his enemies.

thesloppy 05-22-2024 11:33 AM

Isn't that his right, according to Trump's own Complete Presidential Immunity claims?

Sweed 05-22-2024 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by thesloppy (Post 3433254)
Isn't that his right, according to Trump's own Complete Presidential Immunity claims?


That only works IF Biden is President. ;)

RainMaker 05-22-2024 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3433245)
Bloomberg has NV tied after NYT had it at Trump +13.

Both are high quality polls, but something is obviously very different.



Here's the poll. Still think Nevada is a long shot and Biden's best chance is PA, MI, and WI. Michigan is the monkey wrench because of the high Arab population but the rest of the state/region fits his voting demographic.



Brian Swartz 05-22-2024 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Atocep
Edit: it's funny that I'm supposed to believe that Biden is incompetent, in deep cognitive decline, and asleep at the wheel while at the same time believing he's a supervillain mastermind constantly making untraceable moves again Trump and MAGA to rig elections and take out his enemies.


Would that be like how Trump was supposed to be colluding with, among others, Russia while he demonstrably couldn't collude with his own hair?

HerRealName 05-22-2024 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Brian Swartz (Post 3433258)
Would that be like how Trump was supposed to be colluding with, among others, Russia while he demonstrably couldn't collude with his own hair?


Flynn was innocent! That's why Trump pardoned him.

Atocep 05-22-2024 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Brian Swartz (Post 3433258)
Would that be like how Trump was supposed to be colluding with, among others, Russia while he demonstrably couldn't collude with his own hair?


The exact same. I'm sure thr Biden administration will have an equal number of people indicted for crimes.

JPhillips 05-22-2024 02:43 PM

The basic story of Russiagate was true and confirmed by the GOP senators on the investigating committee. The Russians were hacking Dems, the Trump campaign was sharing info with Russians, and the Russians were using that info to guide what and when they leaked stolen information.

Passacaglia 05-22-2024 02:51 PM

I just don't know how you deal with something like this:

Majority of Americans wrongly believe US is in recession – and most blame Biden | US economy | The Guardian


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