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Actually, you should open your borders and allow free movement of people who stated their sole existence is to wipe Jews off the planet. After all, they probably won't kill everyone.
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I'd argue any population who has been oppressed this long and locked in a concentration camp would likely hold some ill feelings toward their captors. You should see the rhetoric that was thrown around the United States when people were asked to wear a mask at Target. Regardless, one side is actually performing the genocide at the moment. It's not the Palestinians. |
Do you believe Israel has a right to exist?
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Yes, everyone has a right to exist in a free society. I do not believe Israel has a right to continue being an apartheid state that commits genocide against a population of people. I don't believe they have a right to continue to steal land and banish people through violent means.
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So they have a right to exist as long as they completely surrender to the Palestinians?
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Can't vouch for the translation, but if true pretty funny.
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If ending apartheid and genocide is "surrendering", then yes. Seems like a pretty low bar to earn our support. Would you support South Afroca or Rhodesia? |
I support a two-state solution. I believe there have been many reason that hasn't happened yet from both sides. I don't believe there is genocide, and I think the miss use of that word cheapens its meaning.
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I mean I didn't define the word so your beef would be with whoever did that. Deliberately killing a group based on their ethnicity while they're penned into a concentration camp is about as close to the definition as you can get.
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Hey Edward, define "genocide".
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Via The Economist, which Allsides.com assesses as having a left leaning bias...
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"crime committed with the intent to destroy a national, ethnic, racial or religious group, in whole or in part."
That's the UN definition. Since a part of the legal qualifications is "intent", and Israeli intent is to destroy a government/terrorist body in Hamas, this would not be considered genocide. When every conflict is labeled a "genocide" it cheapens the meaning. Now when Hamas calls for the death of all Jews, that is calling for genocide. Sent from my SM-S916U using Tapatalk |
Or what Carman posted.
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I'll also toss in Vox's article below Why Israel has been accused of committing genocide in Gaza - Vox Quote:
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I thought you would enjoy that.
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Redditors are reporting X stuff that says fighting is happening inside the Al-Shifa compound now (multiple buildings etc.).
Damn, I didn't know Doctors & Nurses had access to weapons and could fight so well. They've done a great job in holding back the IDF for about 3-4 days now. |
I didn't know Doctors without Borders and the Red Cross were Hamas but here we are. 11,000 dead including 4600 children. 4600 children and it's not even close to being over.
All of you will pretend to have not supported this in 20 years. Just like the folks who supported South Africa and Rhodesia. |
I am assuming many Palestinians share the same question.
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And apparently, the BBC. See :10 and :25
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So much good stuff. If you have time, just listen to all of it.
From 3+ weeks ago. I stumbled across this, don't remember seeing them on western press but found it on Times of India. No wonder Israel is losing the social media war. They really suck at it. It's like writing a novel with "Show, not Tell". No one wants to hear your Lt. Col media person "telling" us, you need to "show" people. |
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Basically any amount of guns - and assuming this is it, at least of what remains - corroborates Hamas using medical establishments in a manner that is a violation of international humanitarian law and in a fashion harmful to the enemy. So I'm not really seeing the "lol" of all of this.
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Half of Republican voters in this country have a bigger arsenal than that. You killed a bunch of people and destroyed a hospital for 8 guns.
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I will be surprised if they don't find tunnels, since I have been told all day that the tunnels/bunkers were there but actually built by Israel in 1983. It is always confusing when one piece of propaganda contradicts another piece of propaganda but then I guess like Trumpers you just claim both are true to whoever wants to believe it.
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In any event, it does seem to corroborate what both the IDF and the USDOD were saying about Hamas using hospitals to carry out some sort of military operations, be that housing hostages or something else. It also gives more credence to the alleged armory in the basement of the children's hospital. Finally, it's yet another example of information coming from Hamas or the Hamas-run Health Ministry which is later debunked, including:
As an aside, I will say that for an "open air prison," the MRI centre in Gaza City looks more modern and in better condition than the last place I went to for an MRI, although that may be more of an indictment on Canadian health care than it is on the conditions in Gaza. |
Well I think Hamas and IDF lie a lot. It would be good to have reporters on the ground but they keep dying from explosions.
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Trump was right. Their PR team sucks now. Never would have seen this kind of incompetence in propaganda 20 years ago.
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I don't know what the conspiracy issues is? What's the issue with IDF laying out/arranging/tossing weapons into a pile etc. before FoxNews came into the room? If the real question is did IDF get these weapons from outside Al-Shifa compound and plant them inside this specific room in Al-Shifa, this is a valid question. But whether weapons were collected and put together for FoxNews isn't relevant. |
But yeah, like the Jihadi said, there is incompetence in propaganda here. Who couldn't anticipate suspicion with "hey we found weapons" and done a better job of trying to convince (at least) western audiences. It just seems IDF wants the Lt. Col media person to control the narrative (understandable) but they are supporting the narrative with weak evidence.
What IDF needs to do better: 1) 1-2 days ago, IDF is saying they are shooting at baddies inside the Al-Shifa compound. Why aren't there any videos of those engagements? We know some soldiers have body/helmet cams etc. If there are any videos (and there should be), they should be sharing that widely with media outlets (after blocking faces) saying "see that flash, that's from this building from the Al-Shifa compound, we shot back" 2) Similarly, IDF attacked/stormed 1-2 buildings of Al-Shifa (not the entire compound). Did they kill anyone shooting at them? If they did, they should be sharing those videos of combat inside the Al-Shifa compound. And if they did kill some baddies in the hallways, they should absolutely be showing those bodies with the weapons beside them. So far, I haven't seen any. 3) 1-2 days ago, IDF showed drone shot of a terrorist with a RPG walking to the hospital front. They spliced the film to a black-and-white supposedly showing the RPG was shot from the baddie but I couldn't see the baddie actually doing the shooting. At best, they can say a baddie with a RPG walked to the front steps of the hospital. So what? Better if they continued the drone shot to actually show the shot. See below. 4) 2-3 days ago, IDF produced a clip that said this is a tunnel that leads into/near hospital (not the Al-Shifa one). They showed the IDF guy outside the tunnel (fine), in the basement (fine), showed some stuff (fine), showed a schedule on who was watching hostages (fine) and that was it. They needed to show entry-basement-exit into (or near) hospital grounds. By not showing the exit, it made everything meaningless. Of course, Hamas has tunnels and bunkers. The question is are they using them inside or near hospital grounds? In summary, the IDF is fighting the media war from the 2000's. Above #3 and #4 are just stupid, self-inflicted shit. Just like I question stupid Hamas propaganda like the JDAM attack, I also question the IDF stuff. Both sides, always important. |
The "bleeding heart of Hamas" turned out to be the gun safe of your average Texan.
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Biden vouched for you ffs. They owe it to spend an afternoon making that shit look realistic. Going to need way more guns in the room for starters. Have a bunch of laptops too running a Matrix screensaver or something cool.
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As like the JDAM, way too soon to tell. IDF does not control and has not searched the entire compound yet.
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1) 2 hostages found dead. But found "near/adjacent" Al-Shifa so does not factor into the Al-Shifa command center narrative. 2) Supposedly negotiations on cease fire for hostages. It seemed imminent but seems to have cooled off for whatever reason 3) Haven't seen any reports of fighting in the Al-Shifa complex. Assume it's been "secured" by now and IDF is searching through it. 4) Al-Shifa said they had dug up mass grave (understandable) before IDF arrived. Supposedly, IDF will be digging it up to see if there are any hostages in there. 5) Tunnel & more arms found at Al-Shifa. Haven't seen any reports of what is inside the tunnel yet. No longer "gun safe for average Texan", maybe more of a Texas militia (but RPGs would be hard to come by) |
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Just to add another poll to the list on Palestinian in favor of 2-state. From Nov 14, done by Arab World for Research and Development. https://www.awrad.org/files/server/p...%20Results.pdf See Table 33. Gaza & West Bank total 75% against either 1 or 2-state solution. Quote:
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lol whoopsie, the hospital actually wasn't the headquarters for Hamas and there isn't a 10 story fortress underneath. I'd say another intelligence miss but I think it was just thrown out there as fodder for the dumbest people.
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The stuff these guys do is so fantastic and brave:
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It's about Hamas, not genocide they say.
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Hard to tell, not much to go by in your video. But below article (I think) is related. Israel kills Hamas militants in Jenin raid as violence surges in West Bank | Israel-Hamas war | The Guardian Quote:
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They tore up roads and raided a hospital in Jenin, an area where Hamas has little to no power. Maybe the super secret Hamas fortress was there and not in the other hospital they told us it was in for weeks.
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It probably has nothing to do with Israel wanting to take full control of Jenin with settlers and cleanse it of Palestinian refugees. Something they've been slowly doing for many years. It's definitely about Hamas.
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"Hamas’s al-Quds Brigades in Jenin said in a statement on Friday they had engaged Israeli forces for several hours, unleashing a “torrent of fire” and laying ambushes with explosives"
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Hamas has a minuscule presence in the West Bank. The October 7th attack came from Gaza. Illegal settlers commit far more violence in that area on an almost daily basis than whatever handful of Hamas fighters (probably PIJ) is doing.
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I don't know, but it is interesting they are playing along with Israeli pretend justification.
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They don't need justification to continue doing something they did long before October 7th. Israel has been cleansing the West Bank for decades.
I think the lack of support globally from younger people and the proliferation of social media will cause them to speed up their plans. This is probably the last chance they'll ever have to "cleanse" regions before the next generation takes over and won't allow them to do it. |
So you are suggesting Hamas just wants to play along with the narrative recognizing the 3 killed as theirs and talking about a prolonged fight where they ambushed the IDF. I just wonder what their benefit is to lie for the Israelis.
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They aren't lying. They have a very small presence in the West Bank. Not sure what that has to do with tearing up a road and shutting down another hospital by force.
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It doesn't matter if Hamas has a "miniscule" presence in West Bank (e.g. how do you define miniscule and do you count Hamas sympathizers?). It doesn't matter the Oct 7th attack came from Gaza. It matters if there's been Jenin militants (Hamas, PIJ, Fatah etc.) attacking IDF or Israeli civilians. And yes, there has been attacks. Illegal settlers commit more violence than Jenin militants on a "daily basis"? I assume this is just your opinion (like identifying JDAM strike via acoustics), but on the chance it isn't, please provide non-Twitter sources. Quote:
Good question about why so I googled on "why did israel tear up roads in jenin". Below are results from last July 4-5 conflict, easy enough to find if one wants to find the rationale. Jenin under attack: Israel bulldozers 'plough' streets and destroy infrastructure | Middle East Eye Quote:
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