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Karlifornia 03-19-2009 08:36 PM

Gonzaga pulling away. That's my team, baby! (for this tournament)

Lathum 03-19-2009 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Butter_of_69 (Post 1973154)
Akron and American really had shots to win, if they weren't playing FUCKING ROAD GAMES.


do you realize Portland is about 350 miles from Gonzaga?

panerd 03-19-2009 08:38 PM

Well Nova is our first gambling buzzer beater of the tournament. What an exciting ending that I of course ended up on the wrong side of.

Butter 03-19-2009 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Karlifornia (Post 1973156)
I think that's cutting it juuuust a bit too close. I mean, they couldn't get any shot off until just a few seconds before the buzzer. Plus, with no TO's, that would probably force it to be a Laettner miracle.


Stitt jogged it up the court though... drive to the basket and go for the 70% shot instead of the 20% one.

RainMaker 03-19-2009 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by panerd (Post 1973165)
Well Nova is our first gambling buzzer beater of the tournament. What an exciting ending that I of course ended up on the wrong side of.


Me too. What a range of emotions. Go from literally giving up the bet and rooting for American to a meaningless uncontested layup costing me.

panerd 03-19-2009 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 1973167)
Me too. What a range of emotions. Go from literally giving up the bet and rooting for American to a meaningless uncontested layup costing me.


Yeah. I was hoping some back-up nobody would throw up a 3 at the buzzer for Nova to cover.

RedKingGold 03-19-2009 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 1973091)
Does that commercial where the guy smacks the guy next to him with a cake knife in the calf bother anyone else? I have to change it when I see it, that noise of it hitting the bone makes me cringe everytime.


No. You're just an incredible pussy.

RedKingGold 03-19-2009 08:48 PM

I wish I can redo my bracket and take Nova out of the Final Four. Although I'm a Wildcat homer, they've just become too careless with the ball and shooting jump shots to make any deep run. They'll be lucky to make the Sweet Sixteen as a protected seed.

Radii 03-19-2009 09:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Butter_of_69 (Post 1973154)
Akron and American really had shots to win, if they weren't playing FUCKING ROAD GAMES.


What exactly would you recommend? Especially as Lathum pointed out, Gonzaga is playing 350 miles from their campus in another state. Hasn't a key reward of earning a high seed been that you get seeded in a favorable region?

Everyone loves to point out that UNC gets to play a lot of games in North Carolina, which is entirely true. Of course they usually have to earn a 1 or 2 seed to get that preference, and a hosting site has to exist in the state(of course, there are more available hosting sites in North Carolina for the south region than there are in georgia, virginia, tennessee, south carolina, alabama and mississippi combined. But anyway, Greensboro is 50 miles from Chapel hill and Durham. Should Duke and UNC be sent 850 miles away to Miami instead? What about Charlotte, that's 150 miles away from their campuses.

So is the rule same state? 100 miles? You can only go to the 2nd closest hosting site available to you?

So what's fair?

RainMaker 03-19-2009 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by RedKingGold (Post 1973176)
I wish I can redo my bracket and take Nova out of the Final Four. Although I'm a Wildcat homer, they've just become too careless with the ball and shooting jump shots to make any deep run. They'll be lucky to make the Sweet Sixteen as a protected seed.


I still think they're fine. They have a home game against VCU/UCLA which they should win. Duke or Texas is very beatable still.

One weird stat from the game. Villanova shot 29 free throws to American's 5. I know some of those FT came at the end of the game, but that's a huge gap.

wade moore 03-19-2009 09:09 PM

ugh - early fouling by sanders is not good.

adubroff 03-19-2009 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 1973196)
I still think they're fine. They have a home game against VCU/UCLA which they should win. Duke or Texas is very beatable still.

One weird stat from the game. Villanova shot 29 free throws to American's 5. I know some of those FT came at the end of the game, but that's a huge gap.


Two FTs in first half....

10 of the 29 were in the last 1:30.

Nova went to the hole a ton more in the second half and that got them a bunch of free throws, they were in the penalty early.

wade moore 03-19-2009 09:10 PM

And that's the press i'm talking about.

Lathum 03-19-2009 09:12 PM

Wow, Sanders just got really lucky that wasn't his second

Lathum 03-19-2009 09:13 PM

Di I just hear that right, Sanders had 40 blocked shots in a 3 game CAA tourny?:eek:

wade moore 03-19-2009 09:13 PM

Come on Rodriguez.

Damnit.

wade moore 03-19-2009 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 1973219)
Di I just hear that right, Sanders had 40 blocked shots in a 3 game CAA tourny?:eek:


He had an amazing tourney, but he only had 11 blocked shots (7 in the championship game) according to cbs's stats.

wade moore 03-19-2009 09:15 PM

Ah. I see 39 rebounds - maybe that's what it was?

Lathum 03-19-2009 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by wade moore (Post 1973213)
And that's the press i'm talking about.


yeah, UCLA's press does look good

sterlingice 03-19-2009 09:16 PM

Man, this is a slow, ugly game. Still, I think it's required watching here in Richmond tonight :)

SI

wade moore 03-19-2009 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 1973227)
yeah, UCLA's press does look good


Er, what press? That's not a press producing the turnovers.

I guess you could call it a Half-Court Press, but it's really just aggressive man D in my opinion.

Lathum 03-19-2009 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by wade moore (Post 1973224)
Ah. I see 39 rebounds - maybe that's what it was?


I swear I heard him say 40, thats why it caught my attention.

Is he an upperclassman? Maybe in CAA tournaments lifetime

wade moore 03-19-2009 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by sterlingice (Post 1973228)
Man, this is a slow, ugly game. Still, I think it's required watching here in Richmond tonight :)

SI


Definitely ;).

Lathum 03-19-2009 09:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wade moore (Post 1973229)
Er, what press? That's not a press producing the turnovers.

I guess you could call it a Half-Court Press, but it's really just aggressive man D in my opinion.


I'm just fucking with you dude.

You're a CAA guy I go to a PAC 10 school...

wade moore 03-19-2009 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 1973230)
I swear I heard him say 40, thats why it caught my attention.

Is he an upperclassman? Maybe in CAA tournaments lifetime


He's a sophomore.

wade moore 03-19-2009 09:20 PM

Dola: he had 95 total blocks last year and 88 this - i'm not sure what you heard ;).

He is a blocking machine.

RainMaker 03-19-2009 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Radii (Post 1973195)
What exactly would you recommend? Especially as Lathum pointed out, Gonzaga is playing 350 miles from their campus in another state. Hasn't a key reward of earning a high seed been that you get seeded in a favorable region?

Everyone loves to point out that UNC gets to play a lot of games in North Carolina, which is entirely true. Of course they usually have to earn a 1 or 2 seed to get that preference, and a hosting site has to exist in the state(of course, there are more available hosting sites in North Carolina for the south region than there are in georgia, virginia, tennessee, south carolina, alabama and mississippi combined. But anyway, Greensboro is 50 miles from Chapel hill and Durham. Should Duke and UNC be sent 850 miles away to Miami instead? What about Charlotte, that's 150 miles away from their campuses.

So is the rule same state? 100 miles? You can only go to the 2nd closest hosting site available to you?

So what's fair?


I don't really have a problem with the Gonzaga game. That's a hefty distance and we can't send every team across the country.

The North Carolina thing is getting old, but I know why the NCAA does it. I guess I don't understand why a 3 seed like Villanova gets a home game, or an 8 seed like Ohio State. Siena really gets screwed in that one and I wonder if that would have happened if it was UCLA as the 9 seed.

I liked the old system that was essentially all neutral sites. I think the crowd dynamic is unique and it makes it fair for both sides. Leave the home games for the regular season, the tournament should be who has the better team that day, not who is playing at home.

wade moore 03-19-2009 09:29 PM

OHHHHHHHHH!!!!!

Karlifornia 03-19-2009 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 1973239)
I don't really have a problem with the Gonzaga game. That's a hefty distance and we can't send every team across the country.

The North Carolina thing is getting old, but I know why the NCAA does it. I guess I don't understand why a 3 seed like Villanova gets a home game, or an 8 seed like Ohio State. Siena really gets screwed in that one and I wonder if that would have happened if it was UCLA as the 9 seed.

I liked the old system that was essentially all neutral sites. I think the crowd dynamic is unique and it makes it fair for both sides. Leave the home games for the regular season, the tournament should be who has the better team that day, not who is playing at home.


Neutral site games in the first two rounds where there is usually a clear underdog wouldn't be all that neutral at all, because the "neutral" crowd will always cheer for the underdog.

Karlifornia 03-19-2009 09:31 PM

Wow...Binghamton only down 7. I thought they were done.

mauchow 03-19-2009 09:32 PM

So far the Ill/WKU game has been bad.... really bad.

There has been one nice block so far and that's about it.

Oh and a three pointer was just made. Sweet. 7-4 almost five minutes in.

spleen1015 03-19-2009 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by mauboy1 (Post 1973248)
So far the Ill/WKU game has been bad.... really bad.

There has been one nice block so far and that's about it.

Oh and a three pointer was just made. Sweet. 7-4 almost five minutes in.


Looks like a game at the YMCA to me.

Lathum 03-19-2009 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by spleen1015 (Post 1973249)
Looks like a game in the Big 10 to me.


fixed

RainMaker 03-19-2009 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Karlifornia (Post 1973244)
Neutral site games in the first two rounds where there is usually a clear underdog wouldn't be all that neutral at all, because the "neutral" crowd will always cheer for the underdog.


So let teams play home games is the solution? Come on. Neutral site games are fairly neutral. The crowd doesn't usually turn till an underdog gives the fans good reason to believe their can be an upset. The bigger schools always have the larger contingent at the games and the advantage early.

Neutral sites are neutral. It's fair to both sides. Letting 8 seed Ohio State play a home game is a fuckin joke.

Radii 03-19-2009 09:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 1973239)
I liked the old system that was essentially all neutral sites. I think the crowd dynamic is unique and it makes it fair for both sides. Leave the home games for the regular season, the tournament should be who has the better team that day, not who is playing at home.



What neutral sites? You mean when if you were sent to the west region you played on all west sites that were pre-determined? So a team like Gonzaga, the highest seed in the tournament(along with UW) got rewarded and put in the west region, thus putting them at one of the western sites and changing absolutely nothing.

The sites in the east or the south still go to the top teams from those geographic areas. Perhaps the new pod system(and btw I'm not a fan of the new pod system, I liked it the way it was just fine) generates a few more games each year where one team is decidedly closer to home than other teams, but the higher seeds ending up with the games closer to their campuses is nothing new at all.

EDIT: You weren't the one mentioning the gonzaga game, just read that now(though I still like the point for those that were ;) )

mauchow 03-19-2009 09:40 PM

I've got all the games right so far but one, the Butler game. Two games which seem to be about 50/50 between everyone is the obvious two games tonight. I've got WKU and UCLA winning. I originally had Illinois until Frazier was officially out for the game.

So far a couple nice threes for WKU. We'll see if they can keep it up.

Karlifornia 03-19-2009 09:40 PM

How about lets just have empty gyms for tourney games?

Lathum 03-19-2009 09:41 PM

the Larry Sanders show just took a commercial break


couldn't resist

DeToxRox 03-19-2009 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Karlifornia (Post 1973258)
How about lets just have empty gyms for tourney games?


Only after we move the World Series to a Neutral Site.

wade moore 03-19-2009 09:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 1973259)
the Larry Sanders show just took a commercial break


couldn't resist


I've been wondering how long it would take for someone to do it ;).

Lathum 03-19-2009 09:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeToxRox (Post 1973261)
Only after we move the World Series to a Neutral Site.


I hear they are building a baseball stadium on the Jersey Shore

Lathum 03-19-2009 09:45 PM

Illinois better be carefull, from what I have seen of them they aren't a come from behind team

wade moore 03-19-2009 09:45 PM

Sweet, a good old V..... C...... U..... song.

wade moore 03-19-2009 09:46 PM

These 3-pointers are going to be the death of VCU.

mauchow 03-19-2009 09:46 PM

These three pointers by WKU. Whoa. Backing up to shoot that three when he had a wide open layup.... and draining it to make it an 8 point game, then Illinois misses the wide open layup. Hah. Man.

At least the game is semi exciting now.

RainMaker 03-19-2009 09:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Radii (Post 1973254)
What neutral sites? You mean when if you were sent to the west region you played on all west sites that were pre-determined? So a team like Gonzaga, the highest seed in the tournament(along with UW) got rewarded and put in the west region, thus putting them at one of the western sites and changing absolutely nothing.

The sites in the east or the south still go to the top teams from those geographic areas. Perhaps the new pod system(and btw I'm not a fan of the new pod system, I liked it the way it was just fine) generates a few more games each year where one team is decidedly closer to home than other teams, but the higher seeds ending up with the games closer to their campuses is nothing new at all.

EDIT: You weren't the one mentioning the gonzaga game, just read that now(though I still like the point for those that were ;) )


The old system was random though. Sometimes a team got a favorable spot but it wasn't predetermined. This system has the committee actively giving home games to certain teams.

The one great thing about the tournament was how completely fair it was. Everyone was treated the same. Now with the selection committee and questionable seeding, it's just added a little too much WWE for my liking.

wade moore 03-19-2009 09:47 PM

Rodriguez is clearly outmanned in this game. Not good for VCU. Rozelle should be playing more.

wade moore 03-19-2009 09:48 PM

Time for me to crawl into my hole.

Radii 03-19-2009 09:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 1973269)
The old system was random though. Sometimes a team got a favorable spot but it wasn't predetermined. This system has the committee actively giving home games to certain teams.


*nods*

gotcha. I'm perfectly cool with that. I do prefer the old system, though honestly I think its just more of a symmetry thing than anything. It doesn't feel right having teams in the "west region" playing their first two rounds on the east coast, etc.

sterlingice 03-19-2009 09:49 PM

VCU needs to tighten this up here and get back into the game

SI


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