We could also add you to group #3.

When did she claim vanilla wolf?

That was Day 1. The point of the grouping I and others mentioned was that four people claimed it Day 2 and that seemed like too many.

Yep, post #586

I am going to be away for a bit; we're taping several episodes for the youtube channel tonight, it was a pre-planned and I just realized the conflict last night.

Oddly quiet a little over an hour before deadline. Then again, maybe everyone's just getting their drink on :)

So at this point timmae seems the most nefarious out of those I'm the most suspicious about. And padding the number of votes against him verses the next highest helps prevent any more attempts he might make at tie making.

vote timmae

As of post #607:

4 timmae - britrock88 (580), RendeR (587), bhlloy (595), Telle (607)
2 GoldenEagle - henry296 (582), LoneStarGirl (586)
1 RendeR - timmae (561)

No vote: GoldenEagle

It is very much beer o'clock here after a long week, but also I don't really see my vote changing at this point anyway. I want to know what the hell he was trying to do last night.

Yeah I want to know too. I can't think of any reason that would be on the side of good that he'd try to create a tie. And his explanation that that's not what he was doing just reeks of bs.

I enjoyed some drink earlier during virtual happy hour, but sobered up during dinner. Might decide to imbibe again in a bit.

Which I think we all know has nothing to do with your role today. I'm staying with GoldenEagle for now.

I don't know if I am ok with voting timmae. He has said that he trusts me and while it may sound cliche, I do appreciate it. I am not trying to out anyone, but it would make sense that he scanned me. Again, I am not saying he is the seer but I can give him the benefit of the doubt for now. The vote change at the last minute was suspicious and I can acknowledge that.

I am going to vote Render because I would like to generate more interest on a second candidate that is not myself.

VOTE RENDER

Really? When I saw this:


my first reaction was to cringe. After his deadline shenanigans yesterday I'm pretty sure I don't want to be in any kind of group he has going.

Please explain why?

You have been wanting to vote Render off since this game begin. Here is your chance to take a significant step to doing it. I will find it interesting if you don’t.

I think I explained it. It’s easy to pile on timmae at this point. I would like a second candidate and the option is either you or me.

So with no other evidence to go on than a drive by voter, you think its better to vote for me than someone that has a bunch of very questionable choices posted?

Thats some seriously flimsy logic GE.

Telle was hounding me during the original day 1, roles have very obviously changed, baiting her into voting for me seems duplicitous at best.

I wanted to vote RendeR off on Day 1. As I'm sure you're aware, many things changed after that. He's definitely on my list of suspicious people (that whole "gag order" thing), but at this point timmae feels not just suspicious but dangerous.

Add to that that Timmae is still 2 votes ahead of you to begin with and I seriously question your motivations.

If it would NOT create a tie, I'd be switching to you right now. We'll deal with him tonight, and you tomorrow.

UNVOTE timmae
VOTE GoldenEagle

I realize this creates a tie, but only a momentary one (I'll change back if no one else does). The fact that timmae and GE are aligning themselves is interesting... and I'm wondering what they might do in a 3-3-2 where their votes are on the 2. Will they opt for self-preservation? Are they really hoping for another tie? etc...

UGH....bitrock Stop creating TIES.....

Okay. This changes my mind and I will explain after switching back.

UNVOTE GoldenEagle
VOTE timmae

Oops. Those first two are multiquotes from who knows when.

RendeR, glad you chimed in. I agree that we don't want a tie.

OK now I'm dizzy.....

I’m not switching. Not dealing with Timmae for information purposes tonight is dumb.

At any rate, this reply to GE gives me a better gut feel for you than I've had to date. The marginal likelihood of getting information from timmae or GE probably isn't worth risking a tie after all if the group is moving toward lynching one today and giving the other a thorough examination tomorrow.

:lol: fair. But how should I have known that if I gave you a baseball bat, you would decide to put your head on it and spin?

How could you not? ;)

But yeah, I'm waiting for my pulse to come back down after seeing you create that tie. I had one of those "What the hell is going on?!?" moments. Good to see the world isn't quite as chaotic as it felt for a moment.

Are you looking to pull any shenanigans like I just did? I think bhlloy is set per his statement earlier, and RendeR sure sounds set.

(deadline)

Hah. I created a tie on Day 1 not knowing how great the ramifications could be. Anyone since then has no excuse. And I am certainly not stupid enough to make that mistake twice!

So this is what I have as the tally at deadline:

4 timmae - RendeR (587), bhlloy (595), Telle (607), britrock88 (622)
2 RendeR - timmae (561), GoldenEagle (612)
2 GoldenEagle - henry296 (582), LoneStarGirl (586)

From what EagleFan said it'll likely be a few hours before we have full results.

Yup, I'll be back later.

Thats not failure in my book, thats one less possible villager(bad guy).

Its a baby step, but its definitely not a failure.

SO we're down to 5, no more vampire, no more convert.


so based on first night knowledge there are still 2 villagers out there (badguys)

a Seer
A nights watch
A Doctor


IF in fact all those roles were in the game at all.


Very interesting.

Holy shit! So the head vampire, a villager, and the neutral party are all gone? That is awesome!

So now we know for sure there's both vampires and villagers. One of each type of bad guy is gone. We were guessing before that if both types were in the game then likely 2 of each. So probably at most there's one of each left now, which is great odds for the good guys.

So RendeR posted when I was typing..

So you had three villagers on Day 1? Ok, that throws off my math. Still, it looks like the vampire(s) and villagers went after each other last night, which is great for us.

Day 1 we had 2 villagers and the possible convert. So I'm thinking there is only 1 left not 2. My error there.

I also doubting there was more than 1 vampire at all. I think IMO, they're gone. Which should leave us 4-1 good guys(wolves)

:popcorn:

Good luck, village! (Wink)


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With only five left, I think I’m going to come right out I provide what I know. Telle visited bhlloy because I’m the town watch.

vote Telle

Never mind. She may have been another good role. I’ll let her explain before I vote.
unvote Telle

This is interesting. Of course, it will be easy for Telle to hide behind what she learned now bhlloy has been killed.

We are down to 5, myself and the two couples. Either Telle was responsible for bhlloy's death or she was the doctor trying to heal him or she is the seer.

I don't see much that would've lead Telle to assume bhlloy was a bad guy that she would use a seer scan on him. Could she be the doctor and thought he made be a target? Perhaps, but still think it is a better than 50% chance she is bad.

Lets get some discussion going here, we're 3.5 from deadline.

Based on my knowledge from day 1 (which may or may not have any value) I'm looking at Goldeneagle and Telle. I think GE needs to be our main focus based on his day 2 remarks and vote movements.

Thoughts?

The real day one or the one after the tie when roles were changed?

The real day 1. I was part of the badguy team. Day 2 both of us were vanilla wolves.

I'm guessing Day one GE and Telle were vanila wolves and now...not so much.

I’d rather not speculate on who switched teams or not but judge based on what they did since. Until I hear from Telle I can’t reasonably determine if someone else is viable. About to exercise. Should be back after 9.

Well since henry296 outed me... I'm the doctor. I had been chosen bhlloy for healing. It didn't work out, but in the end that turned out to be a good thing.

I had noticed towards the end of Day 3 that bhlloy had seemed to be giving gentle suggestions that GoldenEagle was good. I guessed that bhlloy was likely the seer, and had scanned GoldenEagle, and based on that scan was trying to lead us away from voting for him without giving that away too obviously. So I chose bhlloy in case any of the baddies picked up on the same hints.

Since bhlloy turned out to actually be the count, my guess now is that GoldenEagle is the wolf he converted into a "killing machine".

vote GoldenEagle

Haha.. re-read my role email from EF. Healing works on a fellow werewolf, which bhlloy was not. So that's why it didn't work, duh :)

Frankly I cannot refute any of that but I'm still getting a weird vibe from Telle.

That said I was ready to vote GE last night. I'm willing to stick with that.


VOTE GOLDENEAGLE

Vote Telle

We are just going to give her a pass when she was obviously there when holly was killed. It seems prettt obvious to me that she is a villager that probably did the killing.

Well no big surprise on GoldenEagle's response. What else is he going to say?

As I told GE yesterday, I'll say again, we'll deal with him tonight, and Her tomorrow.

If what you said here is correct and we're right about GoldenEagle, then there is no tomorrow because we won! :)

And yet to vote: henry296 and LoneStarGirl

Perhaps.

Oh show some optimism. After this shitty day I need something good to happen!

I think you have that order reversed. Lynch Telle today and if she comes back clean, I will vote for myself tomorrow.

We know that henry saw her there. We know that the villagers and vampires attacked each other. This seems like the easiest slam dunk vote in the history of WW.

She can claim to be the doctor. Why did she visit bhlloy? It makes no sense. He is dead and that is good thing for us, but it came at the hand of a villager that pretty obviously seems like Telle.

Is everyone asleep?

Vote telle

I explained why I chose bhlloy for the healing action. You're just ignoring that because it ties you to him.

I knew as soon as I posted I messed up and gave her an out. I was hoping maybe we also had a seer who could help us rule out three special roles which is giving me pause. I don’t think it matters what order we do this. However we should rule out Telle first since we know she was out last night.

Vote Telle

So 3-2 telle right now?

Really, people?

Day 1 I was a vanilla villager
Day 2 I chose timmae, based on no more than gut.. just figured I should choose somebody. And then he pulled that attempted tie bullshit, so I was pissed at myself for thinking he was good as much as I was pissed about what he did. That visceral reaction of mine should be pretty clear if you reread.
Day 3 I chose bhlloy because, as I said, he was giving a Seer vibe with how he seemed to be defending Golden Eagle

Don't kill one of the few remaining good guys, and one that might actually be able to help keep the wolves alive tonight!

I'm good with either one so I'll sit here and see who is right, and who is...dead.

So that's how you're all going to vote, with GoldenEagle having nothing more going for him than, "I'm not Telle"?

He was one of the four who claimed vanilla wolf on Day 2, and was thus viewed as suspicious. He was being defended by bhlloy, who turned out to be the count.

I think an eyeball witness seeing you moving around at night when someone was actually killed is too large of a hurdle for anyone to overcome.

And that's how roled good guys get killed off ALL THE TIME. This sucks!!!

*sigh* Well, good luck wolves.

I can't really affect this now, however, rest assured (and in peace) that we'll deal with GE and apparently LSG tomorrow.

Let's not get ahead of ourselves yet.

Looks like eagle fan forgot about us

Hopefully it's not his mom again :(

Well lets say you're right and Telle is bad.

Game should be over as the wolves should be the only ones left.

IF Telle is good then the game should ALSO be over because the villagers almost certainly have an even match at 2-2 (I honestly don't believe there is only 1 baddie left if Telle turns out good.

I'm guessing the game is over either way unless something truly weird is going on.

If it doesn't end and she was GOOD, then I'm looking squarely at you GE.

does that add it all up? or have I confused everyone, including myself?

This x2

Yes, I think you are confused. But let's see how this plays out.

Sorry, got distracted by a conversation with my daughters.

Well fuck.....I know where THAT result came from....

I TOLD you GoldenEagle was the count's convert! But no, you were focused on me. (Ok, yeah I was bad too. But I was also right! :) )

I have definitely learned my lesson, to NEVER allow a tie in one of your games!

Day one was really interesting with the names that were flying around. Based on orders that stood at one point it may have been a near slam dunk win for the wolves.

Well part of that was RendeR's fault. Needs to learn to keep his big mouth shut in person. I swear I should have put, "I will not discuss werewolf outside of the game," into our wedding vows! :)

I didn't expect this to end tonight, although as it played out I think it would have been pretty easy to get Render voted out tomorrow.

I did start off as the wolf seer and was going to scan CR. It was a pure guess and I respect him a lot as a player so I just wanted to know where he was at.

I got converted by bhlloy the next night.

henry following Telle helped a lot. Without that, not sure I could have influenced the vote on her so easily.

Thanks for running the game EF and I enjoyed it. I hope we get to do it again in the near future.