Is that 5 for Abe correct? There's four names listed after (and four in my spreadsheet). Just wanted to know if we have another extra vote mechanic happening like Day 1.

Total is correct.

Bhlloy has the extra vote, it would appear.

My apologies for not getting back before lunch.

Sorry I just got back from work! It's been rough today. Lots of extra stuff, I thought Id be back before now. Let me go get caught up and I';ll talk to you later.

That was a nice result. Nice job whoever duked it.

fontisian is also a possibility.. both were on the extra vote receiver both days. But then we also have to wonder whether the mechanic is a double vote for someone, which is pretty easy to ferret out over time.. or is it that somebody gets to place any two votes and they don't have to be on the same player. Obviously though that whoever it is is a villager, since wolves received the extra vote both days.

Not to get paranoid, but with the BG dead, we have to concern ourselves with a possible convert based on the result. Still are other possibilities, another character interaction. Missed NK seems unlikely.

Whoa!

That is just an unbelievable day there. I was the top voter getter, then we get it duked to another and it's another Wolf? Holy crap!

So by "the result" you mean the lack of a night kill, not the vote and subsequent lynch?

Man we are doing well. Two wolves in two days in two lynches? That's pretty sexy.

I'm pretty sure I'm the double voter.

I'd like to get some discussion on what you think this role does:

Potsie Weber - An outcast with a big heart. At least that is how he appears to everyone, the truth is much darker...

Based on this role, what do you think it does for folks?

Thoughts?

If Vinton's powers were used up, he should probably claim and get cleared?

As previously noted, cheek is not aligned with Autumn aand is therefore town, and mau and telle are still town, heh. Will have to reread the day for more conclusions. (Also, both wolves have tried to kill me, so I'm town, thanks.)

Oohhhh, that makes sense. Abe is town. Sorry dude, thought it was +ev play.

If you want to do the thing, I can lay out a comprehensive case for you being town.

As for Potsie, I'd point out that if you were a wolf captain, would you draft a role that could do nothing?

The lack of night kill. The lynch result looked like a duke, by the role that might not know what it can do.

1) cheekimonk
2) Autumn - Larry Dallas; wolf draftee with seduction ability (day two lynch)
3) JAG
4) Abe Sargent
5) tarcone
6) britrock88
7) The Jackal - Natalie Green; wolf leader with brutal (day one lynch)
8) bhlloy
9) Chief Rum - Les Nessman, villager with follow ability (day one brutal)
10) Telle
11) Julio Riddols - Rosalin Russel, villager, bodyguard (night one kill)
12) mauchow
13) fontisian

I'm town, Abe is town, mau is town, telle is town, cheeki is probably town.

That leaves JAG, tarcone, brit, and bhlloy. Bhlloy gets some credit for being on Jackal d1. Going in for a reread with this poe.

I think if the duke is in JAG, tarcone, brit and bhlloy they should claim. If not, they should not.

I'm good for now. We'll see how the day develops. Thanks though!:)


My trust list includes mau, Telle, and bhlloy. Those are my major players. And right now, I think it's fair to give fontisian the benefit of the doubt, given what we've seen this evening. Autumn was the first to vote for her, for example, so I'm moving her off my radar too.

Had I been here during the day, and saw the heat I had, well, you know. But i left with one vote and came back post-lynch. So sorry team!

Someone is going to have a hell of a duke story after this thing.

I am heading away for a while. I still have to apply for jobs. My job here at SHC ends next month on June 2, so I like to apply for three jobs a day in Higher Ed.

So 2 of the first 4 votes on Jackal day 1 were wolves including the one that got things moving - that's pretty damn ballsy

I do wonder (worry) if we're not playing anything close to a traditional ruleset here.

"Larry Dallas - The consummate playboy, always looking to get lucky. He may choose someone each night to seduce, this will prevent that person from performing any actions."

Looks like Jackal went for a pretty traditional wolf role.

2 of the first 4?

Sorry, I was working on a theory and got way ahead of myself. Obviously Jackal didn't vote for himself.

Might as well go ahead and throw out the theory, starting to look at Brit as a possible wolf. Will flesh out what I'm talking about in a bit

Or you just made a major slip-up. Looks like you were the second vote on Jackal (not counting fontisian's serial vote and unvote posts).

That would be an epic slip up, yes

Not the first huge slip-up by a wolf this game? :)

So... I think the plan all along was to have the wolves place votes on each other day 1 to build up trust later in the game. Autumn starts the voting and accusation on Jackal but then moves off when it looks like it might be a Jackal runaway.

Jackal switches to brit late, but then right at deadline when it looks like it's close and one of them is in danger of being lynched is forced to move it to Mau, which apparently saved them both. Brit stays on jackal as apparently

Also in #478 he's laying the groundwork for people staying away from Autumn, at a strange point in the game to do it

Ha, I'm as villager as they come unfortunately, although I fully expect to get heat tomorrow. Trying to play WW and watch the Ducks lose another game 7 at the same time.

Somebody else has piqued my interest however....

Care to expand on this?

Uh, not really bhlloy. I mean, it could be you, it just kind of fits with my role and I have no ability that I know of yet, so, shrug.

I have a long thing about why Brit is the last one, but it'll take me a little bit to put together. Expect it in like 3 hours, because I have to do some other things in the meantime.

Unfortunately though, even if you are the double-voter that doesn't necessarily clear you since it seems likely that you did mean your vote for mauchow in post #368 that wasn't counted and thus you wouldn't have known that you were actually voting double for Jackal. And Day 2 we don't know yet if who you voted for was a villager or a wolf.

You said something earlier about how you were obviously a villager because of the wolves trying to kill you. Can you explain that further?

Yeah I'm very interested to see fonts thinking on all the people she's cleared as well as Brit, even though I think I'm probably on the same page

1. This is more summation than analysis from brit, which is a pretty common wolf way of addressing the thread.

This is a response to Autumn calling out Jackal. It gives Autumn town cred and makes people less likely to vote Jackal, imo. Not a good look.

Telle is so town.

I can't see bhlloy being this open about drafting strategy if he were a wolf.

Quoting this because brit brings up some decent reasons to not vote me, and does later.



It's interesting that brit seems more resigned to a Jackal lynch here (I'm fairly confident we'll all be thinking about Jackal until lynch.) than actually excited about killing a wolf. Imo, I think wolf!brit would be at the point where he was assuming Jackal is going to die that Day or the next, and he wants cred from it.

The reasoning for the vote itself is super weak and leaves him an out if he wants to vote elsewhere.

Telle is so town. Very few wolves are like "yeah, I don't want to wagon my partner."

The beginning of brit's push on me. I don't like it, but that could be personal bias.


Chief votes brit and Autumn is immediately there to defend. Notice the brit is the best person Autumn could go on at this point to save Jackal, but he instead tried to start a wagon on someone with no votes.



This is really nice from Abe, actually, and backs up him being town.

As Jackal gets closer to dying and Autumn got rid of some of his cred, Jackal moves to distance from brit.

Another defense from Autumn for brit.

Telle is so town.

Kind of bleh from JAG, but the tone is better than Autumn's, imo. Also, his role doesn't fit with the other one Jackal recruited.

Autumn starts his summation of the day 1 votes by talking about the things that look best for brit.

Autumn emphasizes that I'm scummy coming out of the votes and postulates that Jackal voted brit to protect me. Again, this is the most positive possible interpretation for brit.

Brit also defends Autumn, though that could be a town being pocketed.

This is just weird, with brit speaking in the first person. It's very similar to what Autumn wrote up.

Ew. I mean, JAG probably isn't that obvious? Right?

Would like bhlloy to explain this at one point.

Good from bhlloy.

Just saving this quote, as it may be relevant latter.


Good for cheeki.

Ew, but again, probably town?


Yeah, that's not very concise, but I think there's reason to clear everyone except brit and tarcone, and brit has a lot of interactions with Autumn and Jackal against him.

I am Vinton Harper. I wasn't 100% certain about Autumn, but I was certain enough. I'm convinced the wolves bussed Jackal, which means they're scrambling at this point. That was my one-shot duke ability.

Nice.

Alright, three jobs applied for. Got an interview tomorrow with PSU so we'll see how that goes too.

It was a great duke move from where I'm sitting. Nicely done! One of my top five Dukes I've seen!

That is an intimidating set of analysis font. I gotta go back and reread it a few times.

Just felt (like some others did) that you'd had a lot of invalid votes including day 0 and a bit of bouncing around, which makes me wonder if you didn't land a role with some specific goals around it. You also voted CR when he was already out of the game. Maybe that feeling is dropping a bit now... but still I'm a little unsure.


I'll go into this in more detail, because I think it's the most relevant thing that is pinging me right now. It was very noticable to me that Autumn was going to be absent or was absent for most of the day, and when he started to get a bit of heat he suddenly appeared in thread with a defense. Either he was monitoring the thread but not posting or he got summoned by someone because he was getting some shade thrown his way.

Now it's interesting to note the people posting right around that time were mau and JAG. I don't think either of those are great wolf candidates, but that doesn't mean that there wasn't a silent wolf reading the thread who got him online. Either way at the time, it just pinged me as really wolfy. I'm kicking myself from not going Autumn on the vote but I just didn't think he'd be that blatant on day 1 starting a run on a fellow wolf.

I really really hope tarcone wasn't a wolf, otherwise that's going to kill the game

I also think Autumn's vote on Abe makes Abe look a little better than I'd previously thought, although I'd have to go back and look at what kind of a chance he had to move it without putting himself in danger.

And if you think Abe is looking better and you believe him that he didn't get online until after the vote, it's worth noting the only other person who didn't move off a dead vote on fontisian was... britrock

Heya!

So it's been a while since we've all played together and such. Which is great!

So a quick little thing about me. I believe it's unethical to lie about personal life stuff in WW. Anything everyone says is suspect in regards to game of WW, but real world stuff isn't really in that same genre, you know?

Yes font, that would be a comment for the ages if I praised the wolves for their thread analysis.

Reading back over D1 deadline stuff, there's this comment from Autumn, which would encourage people to avoid people like Brit, who had just gotten his second vote from CR. Abe then called him out for saying mau was quiet.

Another comment that would like to see people move from Jackal, font, and brit. (maybe I'll start grabbing all the comments in one thread)

I also remembered Brit's comment about Autumn feeling very good making me wonder if he was our seer trying to drop a hint. Well, that's obviously not the case.

I also find this interesting, after Autumn came up as Larry Dallas and wolf.

Font makes a number of points regarding Brit. Post 456 where as she points out Autumn starts by highlighting the strongest point not to vote for Brit is particularly bad.

I also read back over bholly d1 and d2. He has some interactions with Autumn, but nothing that feels like coordination or either trying to protect each other. He even said his Autumn wolf sensors were tingling D2.

So yeah, pretty convinced Brit looks bad here.

I haven't had a great run the past couple days, so if people want I'm happy to talk about my role ability and use it as directed by those who have done better.

Well...all of the seer roles have some uncertainty about them:

Burns: paranoid = scans may not always be accurate
Skippy: if scanned, all other scans by scanner will result in opposite read

So there could have been an unreliable read on Autumn, or the seer (Burns) could have scanned Skippy N0 then Autumn N1 which would show Autumn as town.

That's an unlikely series of events so I'm not defending brit by any means. Just wanted to tug the reins on thinking this was definitive.

Sorry: "the seer role..."

Was including Skippy's possible impact on seer but there is just one seer.

Congrats, Abe!

JAG and font make compelling enough cases for me to land an initial vote. Thanks for the leg work in digging up posts!

Good points.

Morning all! Let's get caught up

Keep tarcone alive still?

Morning, thread! We've got a runaway on our hands!

I'd like to keep Tarcone alive because she's not been around for a long time, but it;s Day 3, time to start kickign the tires of the quieter people.

Re: the extra vote: compare post 409 with the initial deadline tally you quoted in post 413. The extra vote was on Jackal when only Bhlloy and myself were included. I've already disclaimed the extra-vote power.

Then there's this:


This is the reason for just about my last bit of suspicion toward Font. I'll circle back to Telle's good point that it may be a slightly different mechanic at play than doubling the player's deadline vote--it could be a secretly assigned extra vote, it could stick to the first person voted on that day, so on.

Thanks for this. I agree that I look to be pretty well entangled with Autumn. There are a couple of instances where you make a statement and a passing reference to time, though, where the time that lapsed was rather important. (The run-up to the D1 lynch sticks out in my mind.)

:bowdown:

I concur that the quiet approach to D2 deadline likely suggests that we had Goods in the running.

Fortunately, you're only half-right. ;)

I know a lot of you have been doing vote analysis quite ably. Good job!

I wanted to do some night analysis

Here's what we know:

N1 - One death, it was the BG
N2 - No deaths

Now, we know that Autumn had the playboy interferer thing going. Taking out the BG on N1 is tough. Either Julio was targeted or was guarding the target, and in some rules sets, I've seen the BG die when that happens, but note an interesting set of words used in the N1 kill, that he died with a smile on his face happy. Could that have been Dallas the playboy either interfering with his BG ness to get him killed or maybe even the killer? Someone else? Or was it just GM EF flowery language.


I suspect the N1 language of happiness fits Dallas as the killer, now that we know that role, so watch future night kills for language to see if they connect up.

On N2, we have no kills or anything in thread. I'd love to hear more about what happened.

And what

Here is the N1 results, and I bolded the interesting part. At teh time, I thought it was just flowery language, but now that we know Autumn;s role, it seems to connect,.

This is a tough spot. I'm on my way to being run up (all 4 votes on me thus far), and I'm struggling to offer a good alternative to myself for lynch today. I keep thinking that maybe someone in the talented trio of JAG, Font, and Bhlloy could be our last Bad (given that several others are meta-cleared), but they all seem to be playing good games.

So, for the sake of Good having full information, I'll come out with my special knowledge, let you process that, and then, presuming that I still die (because I don't expect this to exonerate me), use today's discussion to inform tomorrow's discussion.

Alright, I'm off, going to be away for a few hours, may not be back until 3:00 ish

I'm Wayne Arnold, the bully. I'm town (even as my analysis suggested the role would likely be Bad--I was surprised I ended up Good). My power is to redirect a player's night action to a player of my choosing.

As deadline approached on D1, my vote was on Jackal, but I was carrying a suspicion of Font (which led to my D2 vote on her). So I put in the order to redirect Font's night action to JAG (whom I have lingering gut suspicions of; see above).

On D2, I didn't use my power at all, because it actually seems rather chaotic and probably not useful to the village, on net.

Now, with Font suggesting she may have the extra vote, I'm concerned she doesn't have a night action that she would have seen redirected to JAG. I'm also concerned that if she's the remaining Bad (low odds, but still), she'll refute my claim in any case.

That's what I have.

Not going on much other than a relative downtick in involvement/analysis, even as JAG has said that he's been fairly busy IRL.

For the village's sake, I'd rather that some viable alternative candidate be put forward. If we tunnel on me, we won't like the result and the lack of illumination conversation/vote history that we get moving forward.

In fact if you read back, my involvement ramped up from the beginning of the week when auditors were here. With all the info available from the past two days, this does not seem like a great case for voting me (granted I might be a bit biased here...)

Because the game will be over?

Maybe EF will make us have to eliminate the neutral role for bonus credit.

By the way, this was a good catch Abe. I didn't pay much attention to the write up. I'm not sure we can do much with the info though.

I'm a little frazzled for having read Autumn so incorrectly. But then, you gave him a tip-of-the-hat for his play, so... :p

(I would really hope that if Tarc is the last Bad, and hasn't posted in >48 hours, that EF would just call the game for Good.)

JAG, where would you vote next if I were off the table?

Yeah, I don't know what that means but like you say, the odds of the BG successfully protecting on N1 are pretty low

Also I don't think the N2 lack of kill is anything good for the village, as somebody (JAG?) already pointed out

I think we have to look at tarcone tomorrow, just for the integrity of the game. I'm happy with brit today but other than that I'm not sure where to look, other than the guy who is completely AWOL and could be anything.

Hmm, something did just occur to me. If tarcone is the third and final wolf, that could explain the lack of NK on day 2? Here's the list of order precedence:


Order of Night Actions
- Stealth/disguise orders (will be in place for the remaining steps)
- Watch/follow orders (will be in place for the remaining steps)
- Protection orders
- Village attack orders
- Wolf attack orders
- Scan orders


So if Autumn gets duked and tarcone is the last wolf but doesn't have a PM in, does that mean no NK? Or would Autumn's order still get executed? I have no idea how this works usually

Looking at that, it's also notable to me to see stealth/disguise orders - is that explicitly called out in anyone's character description? That's a new one to me

The only other person that stands out to me objectively is font, because she and Jackal voted each other D1 but then each backed off (and Jackal never voted her again despite that she would've been a good self-defense option), Autumn did not vote font D1 despite that being the most logical spot to defend Jackal, and Autumn voted her D2 but backed off later and he did not appear to be a strong consideration for her. Baaed on what bhlloy posted, tarcone as the last wolf and unable to do the NK due to inactivity is possible too, although if that's the case then the game is already over.

But based on some of font's posts after deadline, she seems to have something going on behind the scenes she can point to for being good that was semi-confirmed by another player. And she has made a pretty compelling case why certain players are good and why she has misgivings about you.

Yeah, that would be hilarious otherwise.

For the Night 2 thing, in addition to a potential conversion or missed N2 order or something, there are a few roles still out there that could be playing havoc with this too, in addition to the BG:

Roles

Not all roles may be in the game.


Irwin "Skippy" Handelman - Always love-sick for anyone that looks his way. He has gotten over Mallory by latching on to anyone that looks his way. This means that anyone that looks his way cannot get rid of him. If he is scanned at night he will annoy the scanner so much that any subsequent scan by that player during the game will result in an opposite scan of what it would have been.


Samuel "Screech" Powers - The nerd of the group. Always the outcast. Always trying to fit in. May be a deviant but always a friendly one. Will try to date someone each night only to annoy them for the night. The problem is, he can be easily distracted and may stray from his original target because someone else smiled at him.

Bud Bundy - Grandmaster B to his friends. He will be the life of the party, in his own mind. Tries to fit in with the others but sticks to himself in reality. May develop abilities depending on his alignment.

Wayne Arnold - Always the bullying big brother. He will find someone to do his bidding.

Mel Sharples - Make no mistake, he is in charge.

Jeffrey Murdock - A very odd bird, yet loyal. He has many theories about life as we know it. Beware the giggle loop and the melty man.

But specially Screech, Murdock and skippy could be responsible for some night chaos, in addition to the roles we just don;t know a lot about, iek Bud.

Not sure skippy can do anything other than block/screw up a scan, also I don't read screech's powers as being able to block a NK either - isn't a NK action not a single action by a single player?

You may well be right, that's not the way I've been interpreting it however.

It's definitely possible that one of the other more vague roles has a BG like power out there somewhere too

I think the roles in this game generally have levels of vagueness attached to them that we get clarified in initial. I know mine does. So I'm not sure if Screech blocks anything, it just says he tries to date them and leaves them annoyed. Could be it blocks the person yo targeted from doing anything, wolf actions included. Could be it keeps that person from getting any information from their role instead, but otherwise can d it. Could just act like a witness and see what happened with the person being angry. Shoot, the angry person could wind up with the two votes the following day, we don't know.

But I suspect the first one is correct, that Screech interferes with night stuff, but not always. What and to what extent we just can;t tell from the description.

I think the trust circle is in a good place with two wolves' history to go off. BR isn;t in a great place

If someone has a role that can prevent someone from taking night actions (assuming Brit is lying about his role / role abilities) and made use of it last night, that would be useful evidence to share.

Oh, I thought Brit was claiming that power, it was redirecting night abilities. Another night action blocking role would seem to overlap with the seducer role though.

Huh.. I didn't catch that. Yeah Jackal has an extra vote on him (3 with only 2 voters) in the original final vote count that I show quoted in post 413. Probably makes the most sense that it's bhlloy then with the extra vote, unless it isn't a double vote and is instead a secret additional vote like I mentioned was a possibility.

Votes as of post #699:
5 britrock88 - fontisian 635, bhlloy 648, JAG 656, cheekimonk 662, Abe Sargent 695
1 JAG - britrock88 679

Yet to vote: tarcone, Telle, mauchow