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fontisian 04-14-2015 07:56 PM

We are not trying to keep it tied.

fontisian 04-14-2015 07:57 PM

I'm actually suspicious of Raven for that reasoning.

Autumn 04-14-2015 07:59 PM

And I am not surprised that Vaimes is feeling better about Shoveler than me.

JAG 04-14-2015 08:01 PM

I'm here. I apologize again for lack of posting, basically just out of game reasons. New job so a lot of training and little downtime there even at lunchtime.

I find the Autumn votes to be suspicious. I don't think I saw much of a case laid out for him. I don't know about Shoveler, I think this is our second game and he seemed different in tone than his first game, but that might be due to being busy.

After the move EF pulled at deadline, I agree I look pretty bad if he turns up wolf. For the record I refreshed and saw him make the change, but I couldn't get my vote changed and formatted on my phone quick enough to switch to him. I was disgusted enough that I just gave up trying to post the vote because I knew it was late.

JAG 04-14-2015 08:01 PM

Unvote EF
Vote Shoveler

JAG 04-14-2015 08:03 PM

I actually felt decently about Raven until the Autumn vote. Going to see if I can pull up the reasons there.

Vaimes 04-14-2015 08:04 PM

Can we kill Raven toMorrow?

Vaimes 04-14-2015 08:05 PM

Vote Shoveler

Shoveler 04-14-2015 08:05 PM

Well I need to put my kid to bed and I dont want to make the mistake that was made a few games ago.

Vaimes is town, I scanned him last night. I am Red, the seer.

I've played this poorly. Tried to stay under the radar to keep myself from drawing a night kill and apparently that is making me look bad to everyone else. So there you have what little information I can provide at this point.

My intent tonight was to scan EF.

JAG 04-14-2015 08:06 PM

Just an aside, I love that we have a passionate group and in general since the rebirth we've had way more posting in general, which is great. But it would be awesome if we could argue respectfully and not dig into other people. It's a turn off to me and I would be surprised if I'm the only one. Anyway, off the soapbox.

JAG 04-14-2015 08:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shoveler (Post 3019456)
Well I need to put my kid to bed and I dont want to make the mistake that was made a few games ago.

Vaimes is town, I scanned him last night. I am Red, the seer.

I've played this poorly. Tried to stay under the radar to keep myself from drawing a night kill and apparently that is making me look bad to everyone else. So there you have what little information I can provide at this point.

My intent tonight was to scan EF.


Why Vaimes?

fontisian 04-14-2015 08:07 PM

Shoveler, why scan Vaimes?

Shoveler 04-14-2015 08:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JAG (Post 3019458)
Why Vaimes?


The reveal/non-reveal confused me. So I checked him out. Didn't have much else to work with other than a random shot in the dark.

back in a few..

path12 04-14-2015 08:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shoveler (Post 3019456)
I've played this poorly. Tried to stay under the radar to keep myself from drawing a night kill and apparently that is making me look bad to everyone else. So there you have what little information I can provide at this point.



You weren't going to get a night kill. I'm not buying it.

Autumn 04-14-2015 08:10 PM

I can buy that. unfortunately it takes out two guys I was suspect of. Glad he revealed now so I can ponder.

Autumn 04-14-2015 08:11 PM

unvote shoveler

Zinto 04-14-2015 08:12 PM

As of Post 616

Shoveler 6-EagleFan(360), Narcizo(510), Path(563), Fontisian(571), JAG(605), Vaimes(608)
Autumn 5-Timmae(542), The Jackal(546), Shoveler(579), Chief Rum(585), Raven(597)
Timmae 1- Grover(530)


Nightfall 1-EagleFan(360)

timmae 04-14-2015 08:16 PM

Very confusing 2 days. I am keeping my vote on autumn for the reasons I laid out. Not sure I believe shoveler as it isn't even close to lynch chaos and there seems to be quite a few people around to shift if need be. That, much like EF, will work itself out though. If vaimes and shoveler are around tomorrow we have some fud to work through.

timmae 04-14-2015 08:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JAG (Post 3019457)
Just an aside, I love that we have a passionate group and in general since the rebirth we've had way more posting in general, which is great. But it would be awesome if we could argue respectfully and not dig into other people. It's a turn off to me and I would be surprised if I'm the only one. Anyway, off the soapbox.


Thanks for this post jag. We have an awesome group here, no doubt! I have to imagine that all of the attitude is game related. Maybe some meta but still game related. Back to our regularly scheduled program.

JAG 04-14-2015 08:18 PM

Unvote Shoveler

I don't know that I believe it as he didn't post anything about being confused regarding the Vaimes 'reveal', but I don't want to lynch the seer if I'm wrong. I actually forgot the fake reveal thing from yesterday.

Zinto 04-14-2015 08:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JAG (Post 3019457)
Just an aside, I love that we have a passionate group and in general since the rebirth we've had way more posting in general, which is great. But it would be awesome if we could argue respectfully and not dig into other people. It's a turn off to me and I would be surprised if I'm the only one. Anyway, off the soapbox.



I agree with this. I wrote out half a post to ask people to step away from the computer if they are feeling heated or to even PM whoever is running the game and vent out their frustrations. I changed my mind because I thought I was being too sensitive.

Autumn 04-14-2015 08:21 PM

I have a few people I'm watching and wondering about, but am unsure on my reads. looking back at Raven there is a lot of asking other people to make a case on someone and then he will vote there, which feels wolfish to me. not a lot to go on there, fairly low posting.

vote raven

timmae 04-14-2015 08:23 PM

Shoveler... Why the quick claim??!

JAG 04-14-2015 08:23 PM

Reading back today, I like what I've seen from Jackal. Feeling pretty decent about him as villager.

Shoveler 04-14-2015 08:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by timmae (Post 3019470)
Shoveler... Why the quick claim??!


Quick? Only an hour left and I had to put my kid to bed. EF didn't give enough time two games ago and he was crucified for that. I guess I am not privy to the appropriate reveal time schedule.

Vaimes 04-14-2015 08:25 PM

Unvote
Vote Raven

timmae 04-14-2015 08:26 PM

I agree 1 minute is a bit too late, no doubt about that!

Vaimes 04-14-2015 08:26 PM

We're guaranteed one more check because the Martyr very much needs to protect you.

JAG 04-14-2015 08:27 PM

Unfortunately I don't have even a medicore negative read at this point.

fontisian 04-14-2015 08:27 PM

Shovler: Vaimes check, why?

Vaimes 04-14-2015 08:28 PM

Also if Shoveler isn't the actual Seer then a 1 for 1 would be nice here.

JAG 04-14-2015 08:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shoveler (Post 3019472)
Quick? Only an hour left and I had to put my kid to bed. EF didn't give enough time two games ago and he was crucified for that. I guess I am not privy to the appropriate reveal time schedule.


Nothing wrong with your timing in my opinion.

Autumn 04-14-2015 08:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JAG (Post 3019479)
Nothing wrong with your timing in my opinion.


+1

Zinto 04-14-2015 08:30 PM

As of Post 633

Autumn 5-Timmae(542), The Jackal(546), Shoveler(579), Chief Rum(585), Raven(597)
Shoveler 4-EagleFan(360), Narcizo(510), Path(563), Fontisian(571)
Raven 2- Autumn(622), Vaimes(626)

Timmae 1- Grover(530)


Nightfall 1-EagleFan(360)

Autumn 04-14-2015 08:32 PM

This is too close for comfort at the moment. Vote me if you must, but Font and Path need to move off shoveler. Other two will not move.

fontisian 04-14-2015 08:32 PM

Unvote
Vote Raven

timmae 04-14-2015 08:37 PM

Working off of smartphone.. Autumn, did you claim?

path12 04-14-2015 08:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Autumn (Post 3019482)
This is too close for comfort at the moment. Vote me if you must, but Font and Path need to move off shoveler. Other two will not move.


I do not buy the reveal but I will switch. I also think the fact you moved off him immediately even though you were next in voting speaks well for you as village.

UNVOTE SHOVELER
VOTE RAVEN

EagleFan 04-14-2015 08:38 PM

If the Shoveler reveal is real...

Day One Vote Count

Cheekimonk 5-The Jackal(160), Raven(214), Chief Rum(226), Britrock(237), EagleFan(337)
EagleFan 5-Fontisian(61), Vaimes(71), Shoveler(264), Path(318), Cheekimonk(333)
Britrock 4- JAG(59), Narcizo(192), Autumn(260), Timmae(293)
The Jackal 1-Grover(104)

Autumn 04-14-2015 08:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by timmae (Post 3019484)
Working off of smartphone.. Autumn, did you claim?


I have not. I am a vanilla villager.

timmae 04-14-2015 08:39 PM

unvote autumn
Vote raven

path12 04-14-2015 08:40 PM

Vaimes flat out said when he claimed martyr that town shouldn't pay attention to it. Why scan him?

The Jackal 04-14-2015 08:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by path12 (Post 3019489)
Vaimes flat out said when he claimed martyr that town shouldn't pay attention to it. Why scan him?


I mean, a wolf would say that too.

Zinto 04-14-2015 08:41 PM

As of Post 642

Raven 5- Autumn(622), Vaimes(626), Fontisian(636), Path(638), Timmae(641)
Autumn 4- The Jackal(546), Shoveler(579)
, Chief Rum(585), Raven(597)
Shoveler 2-EagleFan(360), Narcizo(510)

Timmae 1- Grover(530)


Nightfall 1-EagleFan(360)

The Jackal 04-14-2015 08:41 PM

And better than scanning brit, at least.. though an EF scan would've been super.

EagleFan 04-14-2015 08:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by path12 (Post 3019485)
speaks well for you as village.



Not really, a wolf would move immediately as they would at least know the player wasn't a wolf. Take a chance that people think just like what you posted.

The Jackal 04-14-2015 08:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EagleFan (Post 3019493)
Not really, a wolf would move immediately as they would at least know the player wasn't a wolf. Take a chance that people think just like what you posted.


Yeah totally could be a buying trust move.

timmae 04-14-2015 08:43 PM

Did I say how much I hate nightfalls?! (ribbing EF!)

path12 04-14-2015 08:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Jackal (Post 3019490)
I mean, a wolf would say that too.


Yeah, I don't know. I think you get a counter claim eventually.

Raven 04-14-2015 08:44 PM

You guys pressure people to cast votes that count, then when they do you lynch them for it. Must be nice to vote early with no fucking reasoning whatsoever, so you can just coast through.

EagleFan 04-14-2015 08:44 PM

What is the case against Raven? I am not getting a wolf read off him.

path12 04-14-2015 08:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EagleFan (Post 3019493)
Not really, a wolf would move immediately as they would at least know the player wasn't a wolf. Take a chance that people think just like what you posted.


Quote:

Originally Posted by The Jackal (Post 3019494)
Yeah totally could be a buying trust move.


Those are both fair points.

The Jackal 04-14-2015 08:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by path12 (Post 3019496)
Yeah, I don't know. I think you get a counter claim eventually.


Which if I understand the logic, would just lead to the false claimer saying they were vanilla trying to deflect attention without hurting the actual Martyr.

The Jackal 04-14-2015 08:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EagleFan (Post 3019498)
What is the case against Raven? I am not getting a wolf read off him.


There isn't much of a case against Autumn either if we're being honest..

Zinto 04-14-2015 08:46 PM

As of Post 653

Raven 5- Autumn(622), Vaimes(626), Fontisian(636), Path(638), Timmae(641)
Autumn 4- The Jackal(546), Shoveler(579)
, Chief Rum(585), Raven(597)
Shoveler 2-EagleFan(360), Narcizo(510)

Timmae 1- Grover(530)


Nightfall 1-EagleFan(360)



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EagleFan 04-14-2015 08:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by path12 (Post 3019496)
Yeah, I don't know. I think you get a counter claim eventually.


A counter claim against Autumn claiming vanilla? Autumn's move by no means proves that he is village. The point was that a valid Shoveler claim would cause a wolf to move first as they would already know he isn't a wolf so they have no reason to question his claim and want to look as village as possible.

The Jackal 04-14-2015 08:49 PM

He meant counter claim to Vaimes Martyr false claim, EF

The Jackal 04-14-2015 08:49 PM

if he was a wolf faking in that situation

EagleFan 04-14-2015 08:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by timmae (Post 3019495)
Did I say how much I hate nightfalls?! (ribbing EF!)


Hey, still not completely buying the claim but we will see about that tomorrow if we get a counter claim.

Autumn 04-14-2015 08:50 PM

If Raven flips wolf, I think I will be looking at EF tomorrow (and hopefully he'll be scanned anyway).

path12 04-14-2015 08:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Jackal (Post 3019501)
Which if I understand the logic, would just lead to the false claimer saying they were vanilla trying to deflect attention without hurting the actual Martyr.


Yeah, basically.

The Jackal 04-14-2015 08:51 PM

Fact in point is that your vote is now useless, though, whether or not Shoveler is telling the truth

The Jackal 04-14-2015 08:52 PM

And not useless in the Grover I'm at bowling and not changing my vote useless, an active useless where we could actually see you forced to make a decision!

path12 04-14-2015 08:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Jackal (Post 3019505)
He meant counter claim to Vaimes Martyr false claim, EF


Jackal is correct.

The Jackal 04-14-2015 08:53 PM

Oh and + however many to JAG's post about keeping it civil. It's easy to get emotional in this game but you have to learn not to take things personally and remember that while most of the time it's village vs village when people get angry, there are often people INTENTIONALLY getting under your skin because they're wolves and they want to start shit.

The Jackal 04-14-2015 08:53 PM

Or because they are villagers trying to gauge your defensiveness level

The Jackal 04-14-2015 08:54 PM

Anywho, I have no real strong read on Autumn vs Raven .. just don't want another tie

path12 04-14-2015 08:54 PM

Or some of us are just assholes.

The Jackal 04-14-2015 08:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by path12 (Post 3019518)
Or some of us are just assholes.


lathum isnt playing

JAG 04-14-2015 08:55 PM

Tough choice here. I liked what I read from Raven today. Not much read on Autumn, but I really did not care for the run-up on Autumn for very little reason that I could see.

path12 04-14-2015 08:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Jackal (Post 3019519)
lathum isnt playing


Ha!

The Jackal 04-14-2015 08:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JAG (Post 3019520)
Tough choice here. I liked what I read from Raven today. Not much read on Autumn, but I really did not care for the run-up on Autumn for very little reason that I could see.


And the subsequent run on Raven with very little reason. Both are weird.

EagleFan 04-14-2015 08:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Jackal (Post 3019511)
Fact in point is that your vote is now useless, though, whether or not Shoveler is telling the truth


I would have no gut reason to change anyway at this point to be honest. This makes for a stress free night. I get to sit back and observe.

The Jackal 04-14-2015 08:56 PM

I mean, the one on Raven makes a little more sense since people were forced into a time crunch and no one seemed interested in raising multiple new candidates, but still .. no one even entertained the thought of putting EF back up or looking at someone else

JAG 04-14-2015 08:56 PM

Vote Raven

But let's not tie it again.

The Jackal 04-14-2015 08:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EagleFan (Post 3019523)
I would have no gut reason to change anyway at this point to be honest. This makes for a stress free night. I get to sit back and observe.


Moreso arguing against the use of nightfall, not you personally. But also that last line is what every wolf would LOVE to do, just sayin

path12 04-14-2015 08:57 PM

I only voted Raven because there wasn't another option.

Raven 04-14-2015 08:57 PM

You have no reason to vote me and are undecided. Same decision I faced earlier tonight, but I'm the one who will now pay for it.

Another villager down! Good luck all.

JAG 04-14-2015 08:57 PM

Autumn wasn't an option?

Autumn 04-14-2015 08:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Jackal (Post 3019524)
I mean, the one on Raven makes a little more sense since people were forced into a time crunch and no one seemed interested in raising multiple new candidates, but still .. no one even entertained the thought of putting EF back up or looking at someone else


i think they followed my lead, so I'll own that. It seemed dumb to drag EF back into it after spending all day discussing him, and suggesting the seer scan him. At least this way we get some more voting history. I was a perfectly reasonable candidate so it will tell us something which way people went.

fontisian 04-14-2015 08:59 PM

Look, if the reason we're not lynching EF is that he probably wouldn't have made that kill (which is my reasoning), that also applies to Autumn.

path12 04-14-2015 08:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JAG (Post 3019529)
Autumn wasn't an option?


I could be getting fooled, but I did like that he jumped right off.

JAG 04-14-2015 09:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fontisian (Post 3019531)
Look, if the reason we're not lynching EF is that he probably wouldn't have made that kill (which is my reasoning), that also applies to Autumn.


That was another reason in Autumn's favor. I would be very surprised if he would sign off on that N1 kill. Then again, maybe he wasn't around for the decision.

The Jackal 04-14-2015 09:00 PM

I don't want to much too much weight on that line of reasoning

path12 04-14-2015 09:00 PM

All right. My wife is giving me stink eye. Good luck to us.

Zinto 04-14-2015 09:01 PM

Deadline

The Jackal 04-14-2015 09:01 PM

Brit is a good player, he was a very strong seer scan if he wasn't the seer, if EF is good it put EF in the crosshairs .. a vet could have easily signed off on that, especially if someone felt strongly about a post of his that we're not privy to

Zinto 04-14-2015 09:02 PM

Day Two Final Tally

Raven 6- Autumn(622), Vaimes(626), Fontisian(636), Path(638), Timmae(641), JAG(675)
Autumn 4- The Jackal(546), Shoveler(579)
, Chief Rum(585), Raven(597)
Shoveler 2-EagleFan(360), Narcizo(510)

Timmae 1- Grover(530)


Nightfall 1-EagleFan(360)

fontisian 04-14-2015 09:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by path12 (Post 3019535)
All right. My wife is giving me stink eye. Good luck to us.

Just tell her that you're playing a game with a 19 year old girl. I'm sure she'll take it really well.

The Jackal 04-14-2015 09:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fontisian (Post 3019540)
Just tell her that you're playing a game with a 19 year old girl. I'm sure she'll take it really well.


saldana isn't playing either

Autumn 04-14-2015 09:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Jackal (Post 3019542)
saldana isn't playing either


Gold.

Zinto 04-14-2015 09:09 PM

Day Two Results

Tensions continue to rise after Britrock's Pokemon were stolen. As anger in the camp rises and fingers keep getting pointed in every direction. As the day goes on the camp narrows it down to two trainers Autumn and Shoveler. Just as you are about to reach a decision Shoveler flips on a red hat.

The fingers start moving from Shoveler and start moving towards a new candidate. As each finger starts pointing towards Raven he starts to shuffle his feet. As the last person votes Raven out of the camp he yells "Team Rocket will never lose!"

As Jag is the last person to vote for Raven he decides that he will defeat him in battle. Raven sends out his Zubat and JAG counters with his Charmander. A few quick bursts of ember and Zubat is dispatched. With a screech and a run Raven disappears from the camp.

Raven was a member of Team Rocket

JAG 04-14-2015 09:11 PM

Yes!

timmae 04-14-2015 09:12 PM

woohooo... stooge number 1 down!

Zinto 04-14-2015 09:14 PM

Night Two Results

Tensions melt away after the Team Rocket threat was removed from the camp. Jokes are made and songs are sung. It is easy to fall asleep knowing that your Pokemon are safe.

Unfortunately, it is not as safe as it seems. When you wake up the next morning you find a note from Chief Rum. It says that his beloved Pidgey has been stolen and he is heading back home to wait for the next pilgrimage of trainers.

Chief Rum was a vanilla villager.

The Jackal 04-14-2015 09:15 PM

Well then, nice work

EagleFan 04-14-2015 09:15 PM

If the Shoveler reveal is real and we have no counters...

Day One Vote Count

Cheekimonk 5-The Jackal(160), Raven(214), Chief Rum(226), Britrock(237), EagleFan(337)
EagleFan 5-Fontisian(61), Vaimes(71), Shoveler(264), Path(318), Cheekimonk(333)
Britrock 4- JAG(59), Narcizo(192), Autumn(260), Timmae(293)
The Jackal 1-Grover(104)

The Jackal 04-14-2015 09:15 PM

sucks we lost CR, but nice he wasn't roled

Vaimes 04-14-2015 09:15 PM

SCORE.

The Jackal 04-14-2015 09:16 PM

I hope that score is a wolf scan


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