We are not trying to keep it tied.

I'm actually suspicious of Raven for that reasoning.

And I am not surprised that Vaimes is feeling better about Shoveler than me.

I'm here. I apologize again for lack of posting, basically just out of game reasons. New job so a lot of training and little downtime there even at lunchtime.

I find the Autumn votes to be suspicious. I don't think I saw much of a case laid out for him. I don't know about Shoveler, I think this is our second game and he seemed different in tone than his first game, but that might be due to being busy.

After the move EF pulled at deadline, I agree I look pretty bad if he turns up wolf. For the record I refreshed and saw him make the change, but I couldn't get my vote changed and formatted on my phone quick enough to switch to him. I was disgusted enough that I just gave up trying to post the vote because I knew it was late.

I actually felt decently about Raven until the Autumn vote. Going to see if I can pull up the reasons there.

Can we kill Raven toMorrow?

Well I need to put my kid to bed and I dont want to make the mistake that was made a few games ago.

Vaimes is town, I scanned him last night. I am Red, the seer.

I've played this poorly. Tried to stay under the radar to keep myself from drawing a night kill and apparently that is making me look bad to everyone else. So there you have what little information I can provide at this point.

My intent tonight was to scan EF.

Just an aside, I love that we have a passionate group and in general since the rebirth we've had way more posting in general, which is great. But it would be awesome if we could argue respectfully and not dig into other people. It's a turn off to me and I would be surprised if I'm the only one. Anyway, off the soapbox.

Why Vaimes?

Shoveler, why scan Vaimes?

The reveal/non-reveal confused me. So I checked him out. Didn't have much else to work with other than a random shot in the dark.

back in a few..

You weren't going to get a night kill. I'm not buying it.

I can buy that. unfortunately it takes out two guys I was suspect of. Glad he revealed now so I can ponder.

As of Post 616

Shoveler 6-EagleFan(360), Narcizo(510), Path(563), Fontisian(571), JAG(605), Vaimes(608)
Autumn 5-Timmae(542), The Jackal(546), Shoveler(579), Chief Rum(585), Raven(597)
Timmae 1- Grover(530)


Nightfall 1-EagleFan(360)

Very confusing 2 days. I am keeping my vote on autumn for the reasons I laid out. Not sure I believe shoveler as it isn't even close to lynch chaos and there seems to be quite a few people around to shift if need be. That, much like EF, will work itself out though. If vaimes and shoveler are around tomorrow we have some fud to work through.

Thanks for this post jag. We have an awesome group here, no doubt! I have to imagine that all of the attitude is game related. Maybe some meta but still game related. Back to our regularly scheduled program.

Unvote Shoveler

I don't know that I believe it as he didn't post anything about being confused regarding the Vaimes 'reveal', but I don't want to lynch the seer if I'm wrong. I actually forgot the fake reveal thing from yesterday.

I agree with this. I wrote out half a post to ask people to step away from the computer if they are feeling heated or to even PM whoever is running the game and vent out their frustrations. I changed my mind because I thought I was being too sensitive.

I have a few people I'm watching and wondering about, but am unsure on my reads. looking back at Raven there is a lot of asking other people to make a case on someone and then he will vote there, which feels wolfish to me. not a lot to go on there, fairly low posting.

vote raven

Shoveler... Why the quick claim??!

Reading back today, I like what I've seen from Jackal. Feeling pretty decent about him as villager.

Quick? Only an hour left and I had to put my kid to bed. EF didn't give enough time two games ago and he was crucified for that. I guess I am not privy to the appropriate reveal time schedule.

I agree 1 minute is a bit too late, no doubt about that!

We're guaranteed one more check because the Martyr very much needs to protect you.

Unfortunately I don't have even a medicore negative read at this point.

Shovler: Vaimes check, why?

Also if Shoveler isn't the actual Seer then a 1 for 1 would be nice here.

Nothing wrong with your timing in my opinion.

+1

As of Post 633

Autumn 5-Timmae(542), The Jackal(546), Shoveler(579), Chief Rum(585), Raven(597)
Shoveler 4-EagleFan(360), Narcizo(510), Path(563), Fontisian(571)
Raven 2- Autumn(622), Vaimes(626)
Timmae 1- Grover(530)


Nightfall 1-EagleFan(360)

This is too close for comfort at the moment. Vote me if you must, but Font and Path need to move off shoveler. Other two will not move.

Working off of smartphone.. Autumn, did you claim?

I do not buy the reveal but I will switch. I also think the fact you moved off him immediately even though you were next in voting speaks well for you as village.

UNVOTE SHOVELER
VOTE RAVEN

If the Shoveler reveal is real...

Day One Vote Count

Cheekimonk 5-The Jackal(160), Raven(214), Chief Rum(226), Britrock(237), EagleFan(337)
EagleFan 5-Fontisian(61), Vaimes(71), Shoveler(264), Path(318), Cheekimonk(333)
Britrock 4- JAG(59), Narcizo(192), Autumn(260), Timmae(293)
The Jackal 1-Grover(104)

I have not. I am a vanilla villager.

Vaimes flat out said when he claimed martyr that town shouldn't pay attention to it. Why scan him?

I mean, a wolf would say that too.

As of Post 642

Raven 5- Autumn(622), Vaimes(626), Fontisian(636), Path(638), Timmae(641)
Autumn 4- The Jackal(546), Shoveler(579), Chief Rum(585), Raven(597)
Shoveler 2-EagleFan(360), Narcizo(510)
Timmae 1- Grover(530)


Nightfall 1-EagleFan(360)

And better than scanning brit, at least.. though an EF scan would've been super.

Not really, a wolf would move immediately as they would at least know the player wasn't a wolf. Take a chance that people think just like what you posted.

Yeah totally could be a buying trust move.

Did I say how much I hate nightfalls?! (ribbing EF!)

Yeah, I don't know. I think you get a counter claim eventually.

You guys pressure people to cast votes that count, then when they do you lynch them for it. Must be nice to vote early with no fucking reasoning whatsoever, so you can just coast through.

What is the case against Raven? I am not getting a wolf read off him.

Those are both fair points.

Which if I understand the logic, would just lead to the false claimer saying they were vanilla trying to deflect attention without hurting the actual Martyr.

There isn't much of a case against Autumn either if we're being honest..

As of Post 653

Raven 5- Autumn(622), Vaimes(626), Fontisian(636), Path(638), Timmae(641)
Autumn 4- The Jackal(546), Shoveler(579), Chief Rum(585), Raven(597)
Shoveler 2-EagleFan(360), Narcizo(510)
Timmae 1- Grover(530)


Nightfall 1-EagleFan(360)


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A counter claim against Autumn claiming vanilla? Autumn's move by no means proves that he is village. The point was that a valid Shoveler claim would cause a wolf to move first as they would already know he isn't a wolf so they have no reason to question his claim and want to look as village as possible.

He meant counter claim to Vaimes Martyr false claim, EF

if he was a wolf faking in that situation

Hey, still not completely buying the claim but we will see about that tomorrow if we get a counter claim.

If Raven flips wolf, I think I will be looking at EF tomorrow (and hopefully he'll be scanned anyway).

Yeah, basically.

Fact in point is that your vote is now useless, though, whether or not Shoveler is telling the truth

And not useless in the Grover I'm at bowling and not changing my vote useless, an active useless where we could actually see you forced to make a decision!

Jackal is correct.

Oh and + however many to JAG's post about keeping it civil. It's easy to get emotional in this game but you have to learn not to take things personally and remember that while most of the time it's village vs village when people get angry, there are often people INTENTIONALLY getting under your skin because they're wolves and they want to start shit.

Or because they are villagers trying to gauge your defensiveness level

Anywho, I have no real strong read on Autumn vs Raven .. just don't want another tie

Or some of us are just assholes.

lathum isnt playing

Tough choice here. I liked what I read from Raven today. Not much read on Autumn, but I really did not care for the run-up on Autumn for very little reason that I could see.

Ha!

And the subsequent run on Raven with very little reason. Both are weird.

I would have no gut reason to change anyway at this point to be honest. This makes for a stress free night. I get to sit back and observe.

I mean, the one on Raven makes a little more sense since people were forced into a time crunch and no one seemed interested in raising multiple new candidates, but still .. no one even entertained the thought of putting EF back up or looking at someone else

Vote Raven

But let's not tie it again.

Moreso arguing against the use of nightfall, not you personally. But also that last line is what every wolf would LOVE to do, just sayin

I only voted Raven because there wasn't another option.

You have no reason to vote me and are undecided. Same decision I faced earlier tonight, but I'm the one who will now pay for it.

Another villager down! Good luck all.

Autumn wasn't an option?

i think they followed my lead, so I'll own that. It seemed dumb to drag EF back into it after spending all day discussing him, and suggesting the seer scan him. At least this way we get some more voting history. I was a perfectly reasonable candidate so it will tell us something which way people went.

Look, if the reason we're not lynching EF is that he probably wouldn't have made that kill (which is my reasoning), that also applies to Autumn.

I could be getting fooled, but I did like that he jumped right off.

That was another reason in Autumn's favor. I would be very surprised if he would sign off on that N1 kill. Then again, maybe he wasn't around for the decision.

I don't want to much too much weight on that line of reasoning

All right. My wife is giving me stink eye. Good luck to us.

Brit is a good player, he was a very strong seer scan if he wasn't the seer, if EF is good it put EF in the crosshairs .. a vet could have easily signed off on that, especially if someone felt strongly about a post of his that we're not privy to

Day Two Final Tally

Raven 6- Autumn(622), Vaimes(626), Fontisian(636), Path(638), Timmae(641), JAG(675)
Autumn 4- The Jackal(546), Shoveler(579), Chief Rum(585), Raven(597)
Shoveler 2-EagleFan(360), Narcizo(510)
Timmae 1- Grover(530)


Nightfall 1-EagleFan(360)

Just tell her that you're playing a game with a 19 year old girl. I'm sure she'll take it really well.

saldana isn't playing either

Gold.

Yes!

woohooo... stooge number 1 down!

Well then, nice work

If the Shoveler reveal is real and we have no counters...

Day One Vote Count

Cheekimonk 5-The Jackal(160), Raven(214), Chief Rum(226), Britrock(237), EagleFan(337)
EagleFan 5-Fontisian(61), Vaimes(71), Shoveler(264), Path(318), Cheekimonk(333)
Britrock 4- JAG(59), Narcizo(192), Autumn(260), Timmae(293)
The Jackal 1-Grover(104)

sucks we lost CR, but nice he wasn't roled

SCORE.

I hope that score is a wolf scan