it's 50% of the lower of the 1st 2 years. So in Pronger's case, it can't decrease by more than $3.8 million in any year. (article 50.7)

and yes, I did have to look that up

I don't think Philly screwed up here, they needed to get Pronger signed to an extension and they needed the lowest cap hit possible. They're taking a chance that in the next 5 years, they'll be able to raise the Cup. After that, they'll probably try to move him to a team that has the cap space, but a smaller budget.

There's a lot of things that can happen in the next 5 years. I still don't think its the best deal, but I think its the best deal they could do for being up against the cap. I don't think that Holmgren didn't know the CBA.

Yeah the Flyers fucked up. I owe SR.

They end up trading him or having some South Philly goon hit him with a crecent wrench to put him on the LTIR.

I think Pronger can definitely play effectively until he's 41. The way he plays and the fact that he's a freak of nature probably means he'll play as long as Chelios if he really wants to. Nobody ever seems to get a clean hit on him (insert joke about the fact he never gets a "clean" hit on anyone else either here)

Whether he'll stay motivated that long is another question. I'm guessing the chances of him staying motivated in Philly are pretty much zero, but the Flyers should have no problem moving him when he's in his late 30's as he should still be playing pretty well IMO. So I don't think it's the worst contract in the world...

Why would the 'Monster" sign a deal this season when he is under the rookie cap and then be a RFA next season?

Why not wait a year(as i am sure he could make $900 000 in the swedish league) and then sign a LTD when he turns 25?

Makes more sense to me.

Hudler to Russia apparently. There is confusion since he filed for arbitration this weekend but seems like he is gone. I figured he was gone going into the offseason. His point totals don't justify a big deal at all mainly because Babs didn't trust him to log more then 14 minutes a night and totally demoted him in the SCF. Good guy bit not worth the salary.

Just as I predcited... Wise, am I.

The question now is what can they find in the way of a bargain winger to fill the hole in their lineup? I have to assume they're going to want some experience, since they'll already be bringing up the three "kids" who saw significant time during the playoffs.

I am pretty sure SD deleted my post on page 2 about predicting Hudler to Dynamo. Yeah .... that's it.

Versteeg gets $9 million over three years.

It's going to be nice to see Patrick Kane in his hometown of Buffalo next year since Chicago won't be able to afford him :P

Don't worry, DeTox. I remember it.

I like Jiri Hudler. He's a smiley, jolly little guy who has good hands and tends to score a lot given his limited ice time. It'd be rough to lose him, since that would mean the Wings have lost around 70 goals worth of offense and have done nothing to replace it, but I if it's Hudler at $3 million or no Hudler, I will take the latter.

The Wings do need to find a winger who can score, but is willing to take around $2 million or less. That will be very hard to find. None of the potential names out there do anything for me: Satan, Sykora, Kotalik, Mark Parrish, Afinogenov, Jason Williams, etc.

Koivu to the Ducks for $3.25 million. Koivu and Selanne give the Ducks a decent second line behind Perry-Getzlaf-Ryan.

That said, without Pronger and Beauchemin their defense isn't quite as intimidating as it once was.

And the Sabres will? :)

Heh, maybe the Wings can sign him and effectively given up Hossa for Kane. Personally, I would take Kane because of his youth and potential. Don't see it happening, but it is a nice thought.

Whoever gets Kane will be giving up a lot in the way of compensation and honestly I am not sure he is worth it for most teams, mainly because I don't see him as a franchise player. I might get shit for this but the kid is expendable in the long run. He is Paul Kariya; great offensive player, can lead a team into the playoffs but how much further can you get if he is your best player?

Toews meanwhile is a kid I thing is sensational. He is a guy who makes everyone on that team better and is a leader on and off the ice that the guys follow. He's more in the Yzerman, Sakic ilk. I think he is going to be a special, special player with or without Kane. I don't think you can say that about Kane without Toews.

I do agree with you some. I don't see him as a game-changing, franchise type player. He's a very, very good player, but I'm not sold that he going to be in the league of the Crosby, Alex, Malkin, or Iginla.

I concur in some respects - I definitely believe Chicago values Toews much more than Kane and that makes Kane expendable next year.

Buffalo has always been Kane's favourite team growing up and the Sabres rolled out the welcome mat when he played here last year, comping his family box seats, etc. Just the thought of Kane in a Sabres uniform has Darcy Regier and Larry Quinn squirming in their seats in delight.

I definitely see the Sabres trying to trade for him and they'll have room under the cap next year with Tallinder and a couple other guys having their deals expire.

Doesn't mean it will happen but I guarantee the team will try to make a deal, even though they usually sit on their hands and do nothing at free agent time.

Don't think Iginla should be listed in this group. Good player? Yes. One of the best ever? Not in my opinion. Let the flaming begin...:popcorn:

While I don't believe the Flyers truly fucked up, you owe me anyway ;)

Looking at it, they could NOT let him walk after the season. Even if they wanted to dump Lupul, they gave up alot in Sbisa and 2 firsts.

At that point, they needed to give Pronger enough money that he would stay. Problem there was if they wanted it limited to 3 seasons or so, they'd probably have to give him $6.5-7M per, and that wouldn't fit under the cap. So, they had to get creative and take a chance.

And thinking as Holmgren, either this move puts Philly over the top and he wins a Cup and is a hero...or it fails, Pronger falls apart and they are left with this dead cap hit, and Holmgren is gone anyway and doesn't have to deal with it.

On the bright side, you shouldn't have any trouble finding a South Philly goon. :D

If you could morph a Parrish-Kotalik lovechild, you'd have a Wings. Parrish plays hard, but is well past his expiration date. Kotalik has skill, but so damn soft for a 220 lb guy.

Far from a Flames fan but I do think Iggy does belong in this conversation...and this guy thinks so, too:

http://www.hockeyanalytics.com/Resea...NHL_Review.pdf

This guy has Iggy as the 3rd best forward during '03-'08 seasons behind Dats and Big Joe.

Actually they did fuck up. Their lawyers told them that it was and under 35 deal according to the CBA. But I agree with you, they needed to lock him up.

He does only make 500k in each of his last 2 years so they could dump him to a team maybe needing to make the cap floor cause his cap hit would still be about 5 mil.

That is rough to take, even as a Flyers hater.

How do they not run that past the league offices before putting pen to paper? Every has (or should) a cap guy who should have been able to tell them that.

extremely enjoyable to me. I love that other teams can fuck up as much as my own

I think Iggy belongs. Has he ever had the supporting cast that the Pens' stars or Oveckie have? Plus, Iggy does some excellent things in terms of leadership and physical play that can't be measure in terms of stats.

Aren't the Sabres pretty invested in terms of cap space with guys like TC, Miller, Pommers, Vanek, Roy, ect. for the next few years? You'll have around $7.5 million in free money when Tallinder, Lydman, and Paetsch. Lalime is off the books next year (Enroth will likely take over the back-up position). Of course, we'll have to pick up two players to fill in (I'm guessing last year's 1st round pick Tyler Myers will be groomed to take over at one spot).

Well, they'll likely have to trade one of their top players anyway to get Kane - Roy or Pominville are definitely trade bait in that scenario, along with picks and prospects.

Trust me - they'll make room if the opportunity presents itself. Kane would sell tickets and lots of merchandise in the Queen City.

Obviously, there's no question the Ducks' blueline looks worse. That said, Niedermayer is still a top #1 D-man, Whitney is an effective PP QB, and Wiz is a solid all around D-man. Add in Sbisa, who played well for the Flyers last year, and 4-5 young defensemen who all have some talent in Festerling, Salcido, Mikkelssen, Mitera, etc., and I think they'll be okay, and will get better as the season goes by. Plus, my guess is, as the summer advances a decent vet will become available for cheap as cap room runs out everywhere.

I finally found the game we were both thinking of! I was wrong, it wasn't the game 6 in '92, it was game 6 the following year, same two teams. Here is the write-up on Wikipedia:

"Back in Winnipeg on April 29, the rabid fans were determined to send the series to a decisive seventh game, and the teams battled to another 3–3 deadlock with 3.4 seconds to play and a faceoff deep in Winnipeg's end. The Canucks won the draw and Sergio Momesso managed a shot on goal, which sneaked through Bob Essensa and into the net as time expired. The Canucks jumped off the bench, thinking they had won the game and the series, but a lengthy video review was unable to determine if the puck had crossed the line before time expired and it was ruled no goal. Eight minutes in to overtime Greg Adams drove hard to the Winnipeg net and was brought down by a Winnipeg backchecker. As he went down, the puck hit his skate and went into the net. Another replay was ordered, but this time a goal was awarded and the Canucks had won the series. There was little on-ice celebrating, though, as the incensed Winnipeg fans began littering the ice with debris, and so the teams quickly shook hands and vacated the playing surface."

1992–93 Vancouver Canucks season - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I was definitely there, I remember people throwing crap on the ice and my friends and I being pretty disappointed in that. We were pretty upset about the call though, I remember it being absolute BS.

Awesome that you found it. That was definitely the earliest sports heartbreak I can remember (maybe there were ones earlier, but I forget them). I hated Vancouver so much after that.

I have a signed photograph of Greg Adams.

There used to be this wrestler in the WCCW back in the day called "The Gentleman" Chris Adams. I think he was British or something. So, we started to refer to Greg Adams as "The Gentleman" Greg Adams whenever we played Sega hockey or strat-o-matic.

A friend of mine worked for the Dallas Stars while Adams was playing for them. He told Adams about the nickname and he thought it was pretty funny and signed the photo "The Gentleman" Greg Adams.

That's all I have to add to this.

Edit: Just wiki'd the wrestler Chris Adams. Wow, I had no idea that things ended so poorly for him.

[quote=Honolulu_Blue;2068444]I have a signed photograph of Greg Adams.

There used to be this wrestler in the WCCW back in the day called "The Gentleman" Chris Adams. I think he was British or something. So, we started to refer to Greg Adams as "The Gentleman" Greg Adams whenever we played Sega hockey or strat-o-matic.

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Geek!:D

You're still mad about one bad call from a playoff game in 1993?

Dude, get over it.

ok, hockey fans

last night at trivia the final round was name the 11 hockey teams that have won the stanley cup 3 times or more.

i got all 11 right, according to the quizmaster...but have a sneaking suspicion their question was flawed, because the cup is kind of a mess before, what, the mid 20s?

without looking it up, what 11 would you guys come up with?

People still curse Bucky Dent's name too.

My guesses would be: Detroit, Pittsburgh, Toronto, NY Rangers, Montreal, Edmonton, Minnesota/Dallas, Quebec/Colorado, Boston, New Jersey, and Chicago.

for the sake of confusion, i wouldnt count teams that moved. the avalanche are not the nordiques, for example

Minnesota/Dallas have only won one, and Quebec Colorado two, I believe.

NYI should be on that list. Philly has 2 for sure... I don't know that they ever got a 3rd though.

So I know for sure:

Detroit, Chicago, NYR, Boston, Montreal, Toronto, NYI, Pittsburgh, NJ EDIT: + Edmonton

That leaves 2 others that I can't account for, 1 if Philly did indeed get 3.

Dola

Oops, left Edmonton off. So only 1 more unaccounted for.

Montreal, Detroit, Rangers, Boston, Chicago, Toronto, Islanders, Penguins, Oilers, Devils...

I know those 10 for sure.

Is it some weird team from back in the day? Like some defunct team from like Vancouver or Hamilton or Ottawa or something?

Hahaha!

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I'm second-guessing myself on the Devils now...and the Islanders were definitely an oversight on my part (those late 70s-early 80s teams).

detroit, pittsburgh, toronto, montreal, edmonton, NYR, NYI, boston, chicago, ottawa, and New Jersey??

Ottawa doesn't sound right to me...but if not them, then who are we missing?

thats what i went with, and it was called right. but really, none of those early other team didnt win 3? like some team in rochester, or a 2nd montreal team?

i guess i should look it up, but thought this would be a good place to ask first

I was there the night they raised the stanley cup banners in Ottawa...it's Ottawa. They won it several times WAY back when.

You're right...the wording could've been better...something like current NHL teams (which the Senators are) and that would dismiss teams like the Winnipeg Victorias or the Montreal Maroons.

Original six + Ottawa, Edmonth, NYI, Devils and Pens.

so when did the cup become THE cup? and when did they start engraving teams and player names?

that makes it sound like the cup era really started in 1926....and ottawa only won once since then.

oh well. i should just be happy i got it and shut up.

More correctly the 'NHL era' began in 1926. The Cup has been around since the late 1800's and that's why Ottawa counts.

I've always been curious as to how the NHL got sole rights to the cup. I'd love to see some team from Europe or Russia try to dig up an obscure document that would somehow legally let them (and other) clubs try to compete for it as well.

wouldn't matter. Quebec never won one, 2 for Colorado

yeah, but winnipeg and phoe....er, hartford and caro.....or minnesota and dal....damnit!

Quoted from the link I posted above...the Senators were part of the NHL or NHA between '10-'26 and won the Cup versus the Pacific Coast Hockey League winners (read about the NHL/NHA vs. PCHL I think on wikipedia).

Kotalik to the Ranger, $9M over 3

Boynton to the Ducks, $1.5M for 1

Also, Tampa signs Hedman and signs Kurtis Foster. So after learning last year you should sign 84 forwards and no defense, they have changed their ways...and signed 76 defense this summer, and no forwards.

July 2010-- goaltenders

See ya Zherdev.

Brian Burke is Tampas GM too??

Jay McKee signs with Pittsburgh at a very reasonable $800K one year deal. If he stays healthy, it's a great signing and should help coushin the blow from the loss of Scuderi and Gill.

Is Zherdev a free agent? And do you really think that Kotalik is a decent replacement? That dude seems like a stiff to me (not that Zherdev is hot shit either, but still). I can't believe their going to pay 3 mil a year for a guy to put up 40 points and a negative +/-...

Ducks have made some nice moves on a tight budget.

Looks like Lupul--Getzlaf--Perry, and Ryan--Koivu--Selanne on the top two lines, and Ebbett and Christensen also around to provide some offensive pop. Marchant, Noki, Carter, Miller, Brown--a solid checking line group.

Now the D has Nieds, Wiz (after arb), Whitney and Boynton as a Top 4 D, with a whole host of talented kids ready to fill in the third pairing, including Sbisa, Salcido, Mitera, Festerling, Mikelssen.

Plenty of talent at both ends for special teams.

And Hiller and Jiggy return in net. San Jose has to take a step back, and if they do, that's a Ducks team that can catch them.

If the Ducks can afford it (not money but with talent), I think it'd be best for them to let Sbisa play a year in the AHL. He's going to be good but I think a year in the minors would really help his development.

You also want to keep an eye on Lupul and keep him away from the local high schools and college hot spots if you want him to be coherent for games the next night.

I thought he was a good goalie...err, at least in EHM '07 he was. Now he is a backup in Tampa? :confused:

NHL free agents: Antero Niittymaki signed by Tampa Bay Lightning - ESPN

Travis Moen to the Habs. 3 years.

Paul Mara also signed a 1 year deal with Montreal.

Brendan Morrison signs a 1 year deal with the Capitals.

That is a steal. Doesn't hurt that he's getting $1.3M from St Louis to go away.

Something that jumped out at me about it-- Scuderi 30, McKee 31. Seems like Jay McKee should be like 40 by now.


What better- Morrison or Nylander?

Zherdev is an RFA, but wants $3M+

Add to it the Rangers now have Gaborik, Kotalik and Callahan on the right side...

They'll either move him now, or walk away from his arbitration salary.

I, too, was surprised at how young McKee still is.

He actually wants $4M+...if that's the award, they'll walk, but yeah I expect him to be sent out. Packaged with Roszival would be great.

He's got hip problems, Homer had offers for him at the deadline last year but knew he had hip issues. He said he didn't want to trade damaged goods to other teams.

He also has problems with shots going over his shoulders all the time since he is quick to go down.

Are you attaching a few 1st round picks to that??

You realize the Rangers got a solid young winger and a top defensive prospect for guy with a much worse contract and worse skills?

I'd have no problem keeping Roszival, he was actually fairly solid last year and the price isn't terrible. There's a market for him.

Are we talking about Gomez? Cause yeah his contract is worse, but Zherdev will be lucky if he has Gomez's career at this point.

Rozsival is a good #4 guy. He was always hurt in Pittsburgh, but showed potential. He was often tabbed as their future top pairing guy, but he never could stay healthy.

And $5M? Nice for a top pairing guy, but not a #4.

We are talking a combined $9M for a 2nd pairing D and 2nd lin winger.

There's a pretty decent chance Sbisa won't be on the team out of camp actually. On top of the top four I mentioned, the Ducks are also bringing back Brookbank, who played well enough (and is a vet) to play in the third pairing, and both Festerling and Mikkelssen played more NHL games than Sbisa last year, and aren't bad. Salcido might also be ready, and he was considered the most talented of the Ducks' younger D-men at one point.

As for Lupes, well, we've already been down that road with him. As long as he hangs with Getz and Perry (which he used to do when he was here before), he'll usually be second or third choice, so hopefully that keeps him upright. ;)

You also traded him to a team who's GM is a retarded gorilla.

That's unfair...





to gorillas.

Why did Mckee get bought out/released from St.L?

Guy was lights out his last years in Buf.I'm actually surprised Buf did'nt sign him at that price,he was a fan favorite there.

http://njmg.typepad.com/d...e-a-head-coach-today.html

Devils to name a head coach today

The Devils have scheduled a 1:30 p.m. conference all today to make "a major announcement."

It is expected that they name a head coach at that time.

All signs point to Jacques Lemaire

This will be Lemaire's second stint as the team's head coach. He coached them from 1993-94 to 1997-98 and guided them to their first Stanley Cup in 1995.

Lemaire, who will turn 64 in September, coached the Minnesota Wild for the last nine years,but stepped down following the 2008-09 season.

According to a report from RDS in Canada, Lemaire's good friend Mario Tremblay will be joining him in New Jersey as an assiistant. Tremblay also was an assistant under Lemaire in Minnesota.

I think he had been moving down on the depth chart over the last few years, mainly becuase of injuries. The Blues must have decided that they couldn't afford to keep a 3rd, 4th, or possibly even 5th defense who couldn't stay healthy at around $4 million or so a year.

Two moves by the Rangers:

Ryan Callahan gets 2 years, $4.6M total.

Rangers trade Lauri Korpikoski to Phoenix for Enver Lisin

Not sure what to make of that deal. Lisin has the upside- he's got ridiculous speed and probably better offensive talent. But he could also bust big time; the Rangers might have Rico Fata pt II.

Korpikoski is pretty much a bottom 6 guy, but a PKer and you know what you'll get with him.

I guess the Rangers hoping for a boom with Lisin.

Korpedo was fun to watch, but I think you hit it on the description...just not enough upside and we have enough of those guys. There was some thought he was headed to the KHL.

Callahan got about what was thought.

I like this move for the Rangers. They deal an average penalty killing forward for a high upside speedster. Lisin could develop into a pretty good goal scorer.

I also like this deal for the Rangers. They don't lack for 3rd liners.

The Blackhawks fired GM Dale Tallon according to some reports?

Huh?

apparently, although none of the big ones seem to have this yet
The Fourth Period :: Chicago Blackhawks :: Blackhawks fire GM Tallon

First GM fired for a mailing issue?

Pretty expensive mailing issue. It's like forgetting to mail in a lottery ticket. And it's going to look really expensive this time next year :(

If true, of course

SI

There has to be more to it all than just that.

I'm pretty surprised by the firing. How do you fire your GM after your first playoff run in so many years and making it all the way to the conference finals?

Granted, the Blackhawks could have some difficulties after this year cap-wise, but to fire him now? Odd.

Ping Logan...

apparently, that was just the excuse. he was from the old regime and it's been rumored that the new regime wanted to bring in their own guy.

I hate Malkin more.

Kinda curious that they would do this after the free agent signing period. Why not get rid of him before hand and get their own guy in? :confused:

Thought this was interesting, hadn't seen it discussed:

FLYERS LIKELY WILL BE $AVED FROM OWN STUPIDITY - New York Post

Possibility of amnesty buyouts (one per team) for next summer with no cap hit to accomodate the potential shrinking cap.

Yeah he's dirty.

So can you get cracking on that shirt please?

Yeah either that or they will pay a team (with picks) to take him off their hands. Someone who maybe needs to get to the cap floor. His cap hit stays at 4.9 (or whatever) but will only be owed 500k in each of the last 2 years.

I don't see why it won't happen. With the potential of a declining cap, I would think the players would rather have all their money up front, with the potential to earn more, instead of the possibility of being sent to the minors while also freeing up said declining cap space for other players to earn their raises.

Didn't read the article, but is that kind of like the Allan Houston rule in the NBA?

If the cap starts declining there are going to be a lot of teams besides the Flyers in cap trouble. Then you'll start having the trouble where teams could send players (without NMC) down to the AHL to free up cap space.

As much as I don't want to see the cap to decline sharply (and new reports indicate that it might not be that bad), it would be really interesting to see what would end up happening if, say, the cap fell to $50 million or so.

I think the amnesty, one buyout or so per team, option makes a lot of sense for the teams in trouble and the players. So, I can see the NHLPA getting on board.

You would then have a market full of your regular compliment of UFAs and RGAs and all of these formerly high-priced bought out players. So, you'd have more players than usual, but a lot less money to go around. Would guys be willing to take short term, small contracts? Would they head to the KHL to make their money?

It'd sort of remind me of my EHM career (before I edited the database), where you had all of these big name guys not in the league because there was simply no money left to sign them and they wouldn't accept smaller deals that could fit within anyone's cap or budget.