DAMN YOU. I've been holding off and holding off on that one, thinking no one would think of him.

well I see Galaril has left.

I'll be gone for a few hours so Larry can make my picks for me as soon as the time comes.

bawhahahah

after usa+germany+uk went i figured there were only really 3 more decent countries with air forces...for my money i got the best of the 3 remaining

Yeah, he was really good :(

i'm sorry abe - if i knew about your man crush i would have taken the other person i had thought of

Way life goes

at least you don't have swine flu!

Nor will I with my Particulate Respirator!

yay!

I bet it helps you score mad bitches too...

Tres mad, as in, pissed off. By my sexiness

it's bad...i've become a bad person. i don't refer to them as girls or ladies anymore. i pretty much universally refer to them as "bitches" - at least unless i'm talking about a friend or a family member

Sorry I was in a meeting, boys.

5.11- Darius the Great,Iran (Persia), Justice MINISTER, Pre 20th century

Solid choice

Loved the JP II pick as I thought of him for Chief Diplomat too.

Darius the Great as Justice Minister? Interesting. I thought of him only as the guy who got his ass kicked by Alexander (Unless that's a different Darius).

That was Darius III. Darius the Great is Darius I. (Thank you, wikipedia)

Lathum picks:

5.12 Great Wall of China, Manmade structure, China, pre-20th
6.1 Yuri Gagarin, Air Chief, Russia, 20th

Galaril:
6.2 Pablo Picasso, Artist, Spain 20th

And there goes my Air Chief.

Im here, will make my pick

6.3 Alfred Hitchcock, Artist - United States, 20th century

Born in the UK, but he became a citizen of the United States and helped make Hollywood Famous. Hitchcock is largely considered the most influential director ever and film has become the dominant form of art in our society. That would not have been possible without Hitchcock.

Yup mine too.

So couldn't or wouldn't here be UK since he was born there? What was the ruling on DT question a while back on what determines where someone is from birth, death or where they did the thing they are famous for?

The ruling, which he put in the first page, is that we can assign whereever we want as long as there is a connection.

I asked Larry before I made the pick and he said it was fine. I don't know the criteria, but he was a citizen and made famous here in the U.S.

So I was amazed that this would be the Irish diplomat selected. In fact, I said to myself, "David who?" So I wiki'd the name. No hit that matches the selections above (20th century Ireland). I did a quick google search, still nothing that matches up. Can you help me out here, as I am someone that is very interested in the Irish's history during the 20th century and the selections not made are boggling my mind.

Yuup

And even though he was born in the UK, I think Hitchcock is more connected with Hollywood.

From the first post:

3) To determine the country being used, you can pick birth, or if someone spent most of their life in a country, and is known for that country, then you can use that also. As long as there is some connection to that country, so someone doesn't pick FDR for Bangladesh, then I'll leave it up to the voters.

Plus it blocks another other US artists.

Which sucks because I was hoping I could sneak Frank Lloyd Wright in a few rounds.

Sorry, I missed that.

Yeah, there's been a lot of rules added or clarified over the draft so I totally understand!

Good catch I fixed it. It was John Hume. Not sure where I got David from. He along with Thrimble broked the "peace accord deal" in Northern Island the only person to ever win the Ghandi, Martin Luther Kng and Nobel Prizes in peace. I had also thought about Collins of course.

Or Jenna Jameson:eek:

I hope none of the guys before me take my pick...

Well, then, I hate to be that guy, but he's from the UK. :) (edit: and I do believe a UK diplomat has been selected)

My real curiosity is not taking someone from earlier in the century, but they certainly have their flaws (I was thinking De Valera over Collins). Davd Hume was a scottish philospher in the 18th century, btw. :)

6.4 Alberto Santos-Dumont-Air Chief-Brazil-20th century

Some say it was he and not the wright brothers that actually inveted the heavier than air flying machine. What's more his results could even be replicated unlike the wrights designs.

Thanks, that was who I was thinking of. And you are right on him actually being from UK if we are saying N.Ireland is part of England. Which as an irish descended 3rd generation american is hard to admit but true. Larry, give me a ruling and I can change the pick.

I think he just has to be connected, that's the rule. I'm totally fine with him being selected as Irish.

Ok, great......Lord Scarlett damn you I just realized you aren't even playing;)

So he can be Irish but the Scottsmen have been ruled as from the UK? It needs to be one or the other.

And I'm 3rd generation, but from the Republic :)

This is why people don't like me in the drafts. ;)

I might have left it alone if I wasn't stumped on the Irish history factor. :p

You have to connect it to an actual current country, that's teh rule. Ireland is a country. Scotland is not.

BTW, I really like the country rules in this draft, because it adds a real nice layer of strategy to it

Yeah, Hume is Northern Ireland, which would count as part of the UK. I don't see any substantial connection with Ireland itself, so that one would need to be changed.

Really?

Ireland is a country, but Hume is not from that country. He is from Northern Ireland, which is certainly different and part of the UK.

If someone can make a strong case to me, that he actually has a connection to Ireland, and not just Northern Ireland, then I would reconsider, but based on Wiki, I don't see even a minor connection.

Well not to start a holy war and will chnage it but I could spend a whole day arguing that N.Ireland was once and should be again considered Irish land and not British but.......so he may not have a major connection but he sure as hell has a connection for sure. Changed.

I don;t know that much about N Ireland politics. Here was what I thought:

The peace process itself is because some people want to forcibly remove the British from their soil and rejoin Ireland and a cease fire with these people was negotiated. Later negotiations and accords led to deweaponizing. How is a negotiation of peace with supporters and friends of that position not connection to Ireland? With the very issue at the core of the process whether or not N Ireland should flip to Ireland or not?


Now again, I could be wrong and my understabding may be off, so if so, I apologize for my ignornance of the issues in play here

Being Irish myself I certainly agree with this, but I'm just trying to consistently apply the rules.


Right, but the way I've gone over his history, he was born in Northern Ireland and spent his entire life there, working on behalf of Northern Ireland. Since we're working with modern nations, I don't see any record that he ever actually lived in the modern Ireland, much less did anything on behalf of it. Am I wrong?

Again, I'm flexible on this. I don't want to be a dictator. If most of the participants feel my reasoning is wrong here, I'd be willing to let the pick stand.

And I'm sure another ruling I made in response to a PM is going to be pretty controversial.

Someone drafted God

Nation Heaven

...Who's up?

I think we're waiting for a switch on the Diplomat pick first?

The switch was already made to Pablo Picasso.

It's ntndeacon's turn.

No it's not. He picked the Brazilian air chief dude.

it's not my turn is it?

Totally missed that. Then it's DT's turn.

totally missed that...lol

No you are not off base. My post was more of qualifing personal opinion of mine outside of thegame. Game on and thanks.

Remember folks, it goes just a bit faster if you pm the next person in line. I pm BK all the time!

I was just looking through who has been drafted and Izulde why Jim Brown?

gah i don't even know what category i want to pick in...grrr

5 seconds and then you are auto-picked Pauly Shore. :)

this is 6.8 right?

6.5

oh right

6.5 Geographical Location - Fertile Crescent, Iraq, Pre-20th Century

My people will never be hungry. Plus it's the cradle of civilization...hard to beat that for importance in a place.

6.6 - Anthony Fokker, Air Chief, Netherlands, 20th Century

The Red Baron had his kills, but they were in Anthony Fokker's planes. Developer of many of the German planes during WW1, including the famous triplane. He and his company developed the interrupter gear, which allowed machine guns to fire through propellors without the risk of shooting the prop off, a design that was used all the way till jets became the norm.

plus he has a cool name CW

Don't you need to pick a country?

Don't get me wrong, a solid pick, but it is a Nation draft...

*shrug* I thought that might be a difficulty with that pick - call it Iraq I suppose, as that's where the largest and oldest cities were

I think that's the nation which makes the most sense.

yeah

Fertile crescent FTW! Wonderful pick.

thanks! :D

I thought it might drop more, but frankly, I am convinced that I have enough backup picks in the other categories left that that was the best "value" pick left

..removed because the issue was settled

LS - we've accepted that and moved past it

Sometimes I give my two cents after an issue is resolved too ;)

sorry for the rant, everything was settled while I was typing it :)

lol - i just want to avoid things derailing us and causing issues

My turn?

I will pick in the morning.

OH yeah, I got the PM. Duh. :D Okay picking.

6.7 Galileo Galilei - Scientist - Italy - Pre-20th Century

No matter what time period our nations are being constructed in, a knowledge and awareness of our universe will be essentially to furthering the aims of a country. Usher in Galileo, a master astronomer and physicist to lead our scientific corps and more importantly, he is one that will stand for the truth and not bow before those in authority who wish to silence his discoveries.

There is no writer category, and if you meant artist, the country is already taken.

Changing it...

I'm here as well, so I should be able to knock my pick out shortly after noop's

Alright changed it.

Nice choice.

I need a rules clarification before I can pick. Are we required to have 6 Pre-20th and 6 20th or 7 and 7? I am basically wondering if the Manmade and Natural categories count in this or not.

Yeah it's half and half I believe.... which sucks because there is not a lot in the 20th century compared to everything before it.

They do count, but I did note earlier that you have some flexibility with where to put those. It doesn't have to necessarily be when they were first created. If a mandmade structure was created in 1850, but is more relevant today, I'll allow the pick, but you'll have to make your case to the voters.

Working on updating first post right now.

Ok that changes things. Give me a minute for my pick.