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Coffee Warlord 05-14-2009 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Danny (Post 2022020)
5.10 Pope John Paul II, Chief Diplomat - Poland, 20th century

He helped to bridge catholics and the rest of society, including improving relations with judaism and other religions. And aside from being one of the most influential people in the 20th century, Pope John Paul II was instrumental in bringing down communism in eastern Europe and in their being as peaceful a transition as possible.


DAMN YOU. I've been holding off and holding off on that one, thinking no one would think of him.

Lathum 05-14-2009 02:10 PM

well I see Galaril has left.

I'll be gone for a few hours so Larry can make my picks for me as soon as the time comes.

DaddyTorgo 05-14-2009 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Abe Sargent (Post 2022021)
I spent a whole class on the 6 days war and I know him very well. I was hoping he'd fall. Bastard!


bawhahahah

after usa+germany+uk went i figured there were only really 3 more decent countries with air forces...for my money i got the best of the 3 remaining

Abe Sargent 05-14-2009 02:14 PM

Yeah, he was really good :(

DaddyTorgo 05-14-2009 02:46 PM

i'm sorry abe - if i knew about your man crush i would have taken the other person i had thought of

Abe Sargent 05-14-2009 02:47 PM

Way life goes

DaddyTorgo 05-14-2009 02:49 PM

at least you don't have swine flu!

Abe Sargent 05-14-2009 02:51 PM

Nor will I with my Particulate Respirator!

DaddyTorgo 05-14-2009 02:52 PM

yay!

I bet it helps you score mad bitches too...

Abe Sargent 05-14-2009 02:54 PM

Tres mad, as in, pissed off. By my sexiness

DaddyTorgo 05-14-2009 03:02 PM

it's bad...i've become a bad person. i don't refer to them as girls or ladies anymore. i pretty much universally refer to them as "bitches" - at least unless i'm talking about a friend or a family member

Galaril 05-14-2009 03:14 PM

Sorry I was in a meeting, boys.

5.11- Darius the Great,Iran (Persia), Justice MINISTER, Pre 20th century

Abe Sargent 05-14-2009 03:15 PM

Solid choice

Izulde 05-14-2009 03:16 PM

Loved the JP II pick as I thought of him for Chief Diplomat too.

Darius the Great as Justice Minister? Interesting. I thought of him only as the guy who got his ass kicked by Alexander (Unless that's a different Darius).

lordscarlet 05-14-2009 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Izulde (Post 2022125)
Loved the JP II pick as I thought of him for Chief Diplomat too.

Darius the Great as Justice Minister? Interesting. I thought of him only as the guy who got his ass kicked by Alexander (Unless that's a different Darius).


That was Darius III. Darius the Great is Darius I. (Thank you, wikipedia)

larrymcg421 05-14-2009 03:52 PM

Lathum picks:

5.12 Great Wall of China, Manmade structure, China, pre-20th
6.1 Yuri Gagarin, Air Chief, Russia, 20th

Galaril 05-14-2009 03:55 PM

Galaril:
6.2 Pablo Picasso, Artist, Spain 20th

Coffee Warlord 05-14-2009 03:57 PM

And there goes my Air Chief.

Danny 05-14-2009 04:01 PM

Im here, will make my pick

Danny 05-14-2009 04:01 PM

6.3 Alfred Hitchcock, Artist - United States, 20th century

Born in the UK, but he became a citizen of the United States and helped make Hollywood Famous. Hitchcock is largely considered the most influential director ever and film has become the dominant form of art in our society. That would not have been possible without Hitchcock.

Galaril 05-14-2009 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord (Post 2022166)
And there goes my Air Chief.


Yup mine too.

Galaril 05-14-2009 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Danny (Post 2022170)
6.3 Alfred Hitchcock, Artist - United States, 20th century

Born in the UK, but he became a citizen of the United States and helped make Hollywood Famous. Hitchcock is largely considered the most influential director ever and film has become the dominant form of art in our society. That would not have been possible without Hitchcock.


So couldn't or wouldn't here be UK since he was born there? What was the ruling on DT question a while back on what determines where someone is from birth, death or where they did the thing they are famous for?

Abe Sargent 05-14-2009 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Galaril (Post 2022173)
So couldn't or wouldn't here be UK since he was born there? What was the ruling on DT question a while back on what determines where someone is from birth, death or where they did the thing they are famous for?


The ruling, which he put in the first page, is that we can assign whereever we want as long as there is a connection.

Danny 05-14-2009 04:08 PM

I asked Larry before I made the pick and he said it was fine. I don't know the criteria, but he was a citizen and made famous here in the U.S.

lordscarlet 05-14-2009 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Galaril (Post 2022165)
Galaril:
6.2 David Hume, Diplomat, Ireland 20th


So I was amazed that this would be the Irish diplomat selected. In fact, I said to myself, "David who?" So I wiki'd the name. No hit that matches the selections above (20th century Ireland). I did a quick google search, still nothing that matches up. Can you help me out here, as I am someone that is very interested in the Irish's history during the 20th century and the selections not made are boggling my mind.

Abe Sargent 05-14-2009 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Galaril (Post 2022172)
Yup mine too.


Yuup

Danny 05-14-2009 04:08 PM

And even though he was born in the UK, I think Hitchcock is more connected with Hollywood.

larrymcg421 05-14-2009 04:09 PM

From the first post:

3) To determine the country being used, you can pick birth, or if someone spent most of their life in a country, and is known for that country, then you can use that also. As long as there is some connection to that country, so someone doesn't pick FDR for Bangladesh, then I'll leave it up to the voters.

Abe Sargent 05-14-2009 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Danny (Post 2022179)
And even though he was born in the UK, I think Hitchcock is more connected with Hollywood.


Plus it blocks another other US artists.

Abe Sargent 05-14-2009 04:11 PM

Which sucks because I was hoping I could sneak Frank Lloyd Wright in a few rounds.

Galaril 05-14-2009 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Abe Sargent (Post 2022175)
The ruling, which he put in the first page, is that we can assign whereever we want as long as there is a connection.


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Originally Posted by Danny (Post 2022176)
I asked Larry before I made the pick and he said it was fine. I don't know the criteria, but he was a citizen and made famous here in the U.S.


Sorry, I missed that.

Abe Sargent 05-14-2009 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Galaril (Post 2022189)
Sorry, I missed that.


Yeah, there's been a lot of rules added or clarified over the draft so I totally understand!

Galaril 05-14-2009 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by lordscarlet (Post 2022177)
So I was amazed that this would be the Irish diplomat selected. In fact, I said to myself, "David who?" So I wiki'd the name. No hit that matches the selections above (20th century Ireland). I did a quick google search, still nothing that matches up. Can you help me out here, as I am someone that is very interested in the Irish's history during the 20th century and the selections not made are boggling my mind.


Good catch I fixed it. It was John Hume. Not sure where I got David from. He along with Thrimble broked the "peace accord deal" in Northern Island the only person to ever win the Ghandi, Martin Luther Kng and Nobel Prizes in peace. I had also thought about Collins of course.

Galaril 05-14-2009 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Abe Sargent (Post 2022183)
Which sucks because I was hoping I could sneak Frank Lloyd Wright in a few rounds.


Or Jenna Jameson:eek:

Izulde 05-14-2009 04:20 PM

I hope none of the guys before me take my pick...

lordscarlet 05-14-2009 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Galaril (Post 2022193)
Good catch I fixed it. It was John Hume. Not sure where I got David from. He along with Thrimble broked the "peace accord deal" in Northern Island the only person to ever win the Ghandi, Martin Luther Kng and Nobel Prizes in peace. I had also thought about Collins of course.


Well, then, I hate to be that guy, but he's from the UK. :) (edit: and I do believe a UK diplomat has been selected)

My real curiosity is not taking someone from earlier in the century, but they certainly have their flaws (I was thinking De Valera over Collins). Davd Hume was a scottish philospher in the 18th century, btw. :)

ntndeacon 05-14-2009 04:27 PM

6.4 Alberto Santos-Dumont-Air Chief-Brazil-20th century

Some say it was he and not the wright brothers that actually inveted the heavier than air flying machine. What's more his results could even be replicated unlike the wrights designs.

Galaril 05-14-2009 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by lordscarlet (Post 2022202)
Well, then, I hate to be that guy, but he's from the UK. :) (edit: and I do believe a UK diplomat has been selected)

My real curiosity is not taking someone from earlier in the century, but they certainly have their flaws (I was thinking De Valera over Collins). Davd Hume was a scottish philospher in the 18th century, btw. :)


Thanks, that was who I was thinking of. And you are right on him actually being from UK if we are saying N.Ireland is part of England. Which as an irish descended 3rd generation american is hard to admit but true. Larry, give me a ruling and I can change the pick.

Abe Sargent 05-14-2009 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Galaril (Post 2022209)
Thanks, that was who I was thinking of. And you are right on him actually being from UK if we are saying N.Ireland is part of England. Which as an irish descended 3rd generation american is hard to admit but true. Larry, give me a ruling and I can change the pick.


I think he just has to be connected, that's the rule. I'm totally fine with him being selected as Irish.

Galaril 05-14-2009 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Abe Sargent (Post 2022211)
I think he just has to be connected, that's the rule. I'm totally fine with him being selected as Irish.


Ok, great......Lord Scarlett damn you I just realized you aren't even playing;)

lordscarlet 05-14-2009 04:38 PM

So he can be Irish but the Scottsmen have been ruled as from the UK? It needs to be one or the other.

And I'm 3rd generation, but from the Republic :)

lordscarlet 05-14-2009 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Galaril (Post 2022216)
Ok, great......Lord Scarlett damn you I just realized you aren't even playing;)


This is why people don't like me in the drafts. ;)

I might have left it alone if I wasn't stumped on the Irish history factor. :p

Abe Sargent 05-14-2009 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by lordscarlet (Post 2022217)
So he can be Irish but the Scottsmen have been ruled as from the UK? It needs to be one or the other.

And I'm 3rd generation, but from the Republic :)


You have to connect it to an actual current country, that's teh rule. Ireland is a country. Scotland is not.

Abe Sargent 05-14-2009 04:40 PM

BTW, I really like the country rules in this draft, because it adds a real nice layer of strategy to it

larrymcg421 05-14-2009 04:40 PM

Yeah, Hume is Northern Ireland, which would count as part of the UK. I don't see any substantial connection with Ireland itself, so that one would need to be changed.

Abe Sargent 05-14-2009 04:41 PM

Really?

larrymcg421 05-14-2009 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Abe Sargent (Post 2022220)
You have to connect it to an actual current country, that's teh rule. Ireland is a country. Scotland is not.


Ireland is a country, but Hume is not from that country. He is from Northern Ireland, which is certainly different and part of the UK.

larrymcg421 05-14-2009 04:43 PM

If someone can make a strong case to me, that he actually has a connection to Ireland, and not just Northern Ireland, then I would reconsider, but based on Wiki, I don't see even a minor connection.

Galaril 05-14-2009 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by larrymcg421 (Post 2022226)
If someone can make a strong case to me, that he actually has a connection to Ireland, and not just Northern Ireland, then I would reconsider, but based on Wiki, I don't see even a minor connection.


Well not to start a holy war and will chnage it but I could spend a whole day arguing that N.Ireland was once and should be again considered Irish land and not British but.......so he may not have a major connection but he sure as hell has a connection for sure. Changed.

Abe Sargent 05-14-2009 04:50 PM

I don;t know that much about N Ireland politics. Here was what I thought:

The peace process itself is because some people want to forcibly remove the British from their soil and rejoin Ireland and a cease fire with these people was negotiated. Later negotiations and accords led to deweaponizing. How is a negotiation of peace with supporters and friends of that position not connection to Ireland? With the very issue at the core of the process whether or not N Ireland should flip to Ireland or not?


Now again, I could be wrong and my understabding may be off, so if so, I apologize for my ignornance of the issues in play here

larrymcg421 05-14-2009 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Galaril (Post 2022233)
Well not to start a holy war and will chnage it but I could spend a whole day arguing that N.Ireland was once and should be again considered Irish land and not British but.


Being Irish myself I certainly agree with this, but I'm just trying to consistently apply the rules.

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......so he may not have a major connection but he sure as hell has a connection for sure. Changed.

Right, but the way I've gone over his history, he was born in Northern Ireland and spent his entire life there, working on behalf of Northern Ireland. Since we're working with modern nations, I don't see any record that he ever actually lived in the modern Ireland, much less did anything on behalf of it. Am I wrong?

larrymcg421 05-14-2009 05:43 PM

Again, I'm flexible on this. I don't want to be a dictator. If most of the participants feel my reasoning is wrong here, I'd be willing to let the pick stand.

larrymcg421 05-14-2009 05:51 PM

And I'm sure another ruling I made in response to a PM is going to be pretty controversial.

Danny 05-14-2009 05:52 PM

Someone drafted God

Danny 05-14-2009 05:52 PM

Nation Heaven

Coffee Warlord 05-14-2009 07:51 PM

...Who's up?

Izulde 05-14-2009 07:56 PM

I think we're waiting for a switch on the Diplomat pick first?

larrymcg421 05-14-2009 07:58 PM

The switch was already made to Pablo Picasso.

It's ntndeacon's turn.

Izulde 05-14-2009 08:04 PM

No it's not. He picked the Brazilian air chief dude.

DaddyTorgo 05-14-2009 08:07 PM

it's not my turn is it?

larrymcg421 05-14-2009 08:08 PM

Totally missed that. Then it's DT's turn.

DaddyTorgo 05-14-2009 08:08 PM

totally missed that...lol

Galaril 05-14-2009 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by larrymcg421 (Post 2022296)
Being Irish myself I certainly agree with this, but I'm just trying to consistently apply the rules.



Right, but the way I've gone over his history, he was born in Northern Ireland and spent his entire life there, working on behalf of Northern Ireland. Since we're working with modern nations, I don't see any record that he ever actually lived in the modern Ireland, much less did anything on behalf of it. Am I wrong?


No you are not off base. My post was more of qualifing personal opinion of mine outside of thegame. Game on and thanks.

Abe Sargent 05-14-2009 08:14 PM

Remember folks, it goes just a bit faster if you pm the next person in line. I pm BK all the time!

Noop 05-14-2009 08:22 PM

I was just looking through who has been drafted and Izulde why Jim Brown?

DaddyTorgo 05-14-2009 08:27 PM

gah i don't even know what category i want to pick in...grrr

Coffee Warlord 05-14-2009 08:28 PM

5 seconds and then you are auto-picked Pauly Shore. :)

DaddyTorgo 05-14-2009 08:28 PM

this is 6.8 right?

Coffee Warlord 05-14-2009 08:29 PM

6.5

DaddyTorgo 05-14-2009 08:30 PM

oh right

DaddyTorgo 05-14-2009 08:33 PM

6.5 Geographical Location - Fertile Crescent, Iraq, Pre-20th Century

My people will never be hungry. Plus it's the cradle of civilization...hard to beat that for importance in a place.

Coffee Warlord 05-14-2009 08:36 PM

6.6 - Anthony Fokker, Air Chief, Netherlands, 20th Century

The Red Baron had his kills, but they were in Anthony Fokker's planes. Developer of many of the German planes during WW1, including the famous triplane. He and his company developed the interrupter gear, which allowed machine guns to fire through propellors without the risk of shooting the prop off, a design that was used all the way till jets became the norm.

DaddyTorgo 05-14-2009 08:36 PM

plus he has a cool name CW

Barkeep49 05-14-2009 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo (Post 2022662)
6.5 Geographical Location - Fertile Crescent, Pre-20th Century

My people will never be hungry. Plus it's the cradle of civilization...hard to beat that for importance in a place.

Don't you need to pick a country?

Barkeep49 05-14-2009 08:38 PM

Don't get me wrong, a solid pick, but it is a Nation draft...

DaddyTorgo 05-14-2009 08:41 PM

*shrug* I thought that might be a difficulty with that pick - call it Iraq I suppose, as that's where the largest and oldest cities were

Barkeep49 05-14-2009 08:43 PM

I think that's the nation which makes the most sense.

DaddyTorgo 05-14-2009 08:56 PM

yeah

MrDNA 05-14-2009 09:04 PM

Fertile crescent FTW! Wonderful pick.

DaddyTorgo 05-14-2009 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by MrDNA (Post 2022730)
Fertile crescent FTW! Wonderful pick.


thanks! :D

I thought it might drop more, but frankly, I am convinced that I have enough backup picks in the other categories left that that was the best "value" pick left

lordscarlet 05-14-2009 09:10 PM

..removed because the issue was settled

DaddyTorgo 05-14-2009 09:11 PM

LS - we've accepted that and moved past it

Abe Sargent 05-14-2009 09:12 PM

Sometimes I give my two cents after an issue is resolved too ;)

lordscarlet 05-14-2009 09:16 PM

sorry for the rant, everything was settled while I was typing it :)

DaddyTorgo 05-14-2009 09:17 PM

lol - i just want to avoid things derailing us and causing issues

Izulde 05-14-2009 11:51 PM

My turn?

Noop 05-14-2009 11:57 PM

I will pick in the morning.

Izulde 05-15-2009 12:07 AM

OH yeah, I got the PM. Duh. :D Okay picking.

Izulde 05-15-2009 12:11 AM

6.7 Galileo Galilei - Scientist - Italy - Pre-20th Century

No matter what time period our nations are being constructed in, a knowledge and awareness of our universe will be essentially to furthering the aims of a country. Usher in Galileo, a master astronomer and physicist to lead our scientific corps and more importantly, he is one that will stand for the truth and not bow before those in authority who wish to silence his discoveries.

Noop 05-15-2009 06:31 AM

6.8 James Joyce - Artist- Ireland - Post-20th Century

Danny 05-15-2009 06:36 AM

There is no writer category, and if you meant artist, the country is already taken.

Noop 05-15-2009 06:48 AM

Changing it...

Barkeep49 05-15-2009 06:49 AM

I'm here as well, so I should be able to knock my pick out shortly after noop's

Noop 05-15-2009 06:53 AM

Alright changed it.

Izulde 05-15-2009 06:57 AM

Nice choice.

Barkeep49 05-15-2009 07:17 AM

I need a rules clarification before I can pick. Are we required to have 6 Pre-20th and 6 20th or 7 and 7? I am basically wondering if the Manmade and Natural categories count in this or not.

Noop 05-15-2009 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49 (Post 2023071)
I need a rules clarification before I can pick. Are we required to have 6 Pre-20th and 6 20th or 7 and 7? I am basically wondering if the Manmade and Natural categories count in this or not.


Yeah it's half and half I believe.... which sucks because there is not a lot in the 20th century compared to everything before it.

larrymcg421 05-15-2009 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49 (Post 2023071)
I need a rules clarification before I can pick. Are we required to have 6 Pre-20th and 6 20th or 7 and 7? I am basically wondering if the Manmade and Natural categories count in this or not.


They do count, but I did note earlier that you have some flexibility with where to put those. It doesn't have to necessarily be when they were first created. If a mandmade structure was created in 1850, but is more relevant today, I'll allow the pick, but you'll have to make your case to the voters.

larrymcg421 05-15-2009 07:57 AM

Working on updating first post right now.

Barkeep49 05-15-2009 08:04 AM

Ok that changes things. Give me a minute for my pick.


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