You had the wrong number too, fixed

Martin, it is a combination of me not being on early and my reputation of not speaking that has votes on me. Clearly the folks on me are DESPIRATELY in need of therapy. I am going to change my vote to help myself survive.

I don't want to be on a runaway, my random pick of Purdue seems to have generated an unhealthy amount of interest for a guy that hasn't done anything at all to warrant it.

unvote purduebrad
vote telle

I'm almost inclined to go with Eaglefan just to even up the numbers, but with three more votes, I think, still coming I"ll wait to see how they move.

I don't get a wolf vibe from PB right now. Feels trumped up abit. And I never liked the UTR theory on NTN, at least not this early. And now that he's here, what's the point?

I don't think early vote switching is proof of Neediness either, but given the candidates here, I think EF is the best of the usual weak Day One choices.

VOTE EAGLEFAN

As I said in my earlier post, it could very easily be me in that position - while I'm still pretty new to the game, I seem to be developing a similar reputation (of not posting all that often).

While I definitely see Barkeep's point about voting for the quiet ones to encourage them to get involved, as it's relatively easy for wolves to go under the radar, I don't know if day 1 is the time to get onto someone's case for not being active on the thread.

I think if Lathum hadn't mentioned you being out of the country or something, Martin, it very well could have been you, as I focused on ntn as the one who hadn't logged in yet.

I agree there's no reason to punish someone for being quiet, once they've shown up and contributed. That was all I hoped to get out of the pressure.

It's not so much that I'm out of the country - more like I was never in the country in the first place! :lol: :D

20 votes in, no vote from DT
Self-preservation options still available: NTN to EF, PB to EF, EF to NTN

I'm expecting that there is still voting movement to be seen, but that is where it sits right now.

Yeah, yeah, yeah - that "alternate time zone" stuff is a fantastic cover. See how Lathum uses it now that he is on the west coast?

:lol: :D

Hmm, I may need to change my profile to showing me as in Dubai or something along those lines ... yeah, that's the ticket.

I actually live in a moving jet where my time zone never matches anyone else.

Corrected, removed my double vote, one on NTN, one on Telle.

Hmm, that means someone else has not voted as well - who did I miss?

I think Alan T. So him and DT (err, MT) without votes up to this point.

Danny's count may be off, didn't Poli move his vote to me too?

Sigh - I'll start working on the vote/unvote chart now as well as a vote count just to double check.

NM, thought he was part of the rush.

That is right, I haven't voted yet. Haven't decided which way to go.

It has gotten very quiet while I've been counting votes. There have been a ton of votes/unvotes this game :eek: :eek:

That's party my fault Hoops, sorry. If if helps, you can ignore my vote for RendeR's puppy.

I know! It's crazy!! crazy I say!

Is the vote count in 613 then correct? A few of the previous ones had errors.

Alan, I believe so.

Out of game - this is a great post :)

OK, was not able to finish this but my kid is home which means I'm probably not on between now and deadline. Here is the vote/unvote chart up through Post #500. I'll pick it up when i'm back online for awhile, probably sometime after 10PM EST.

205 - Poli votes Lathum (1-0)
210 - Lathum votes Poli (1-1)
240 - Poli unvotes Lathum (1-0)
242 - Lathum unvotes Poli (0-0)
244 - Dubb votes Saldana (1-0)
251 - EF votes PB (1-1)
252 - Poli votes Abe (1-1-1) Saldana/PB/Abe
253 - Lerriuqs votes Pass (1-1-1-1) Saldana/PB/Abe/Pass
272 - PB votes Hoops (1-1-1-1-1) Saldana/PB/Abe/Pass/Hoops
273 - PB unvotes Hoops (1-1-1-1) Saldana/PB/Abe/Pass
284 - Pass votes Lerriuqs (1-1-1-1-1) Saldana/PB/Abe/Pass/Lerriuqs
304 - Saldana votes Dubb (1-1-1-1-1-1) Saldana/PB/Abe/Pass/Lerriuqs/Dubb
323 - EF unvotes PB, votes Hoops (1-1-1-1-1-1) Saldana/Abe/Pass/Lerriuqs/Dubb/Hoops
326 - Lathum votes Abe (2-1-1-1-1-1) Abe over Saldana/Pass/Lerriuqs/Dubb/Hoops
328 - Hoops votes EF (2-1-1-1-1-1-1) Abe over Saldana/Pass/Lerriuqs/Dubb/Hoops/EF
329 - Jackal votes PB (2-1-1-1-1-1-1-1) Abe over Saldana/Pass/Lerriuqs/Dubb/Hoops/EF/PB
333 - PF votes Lerriuqs (2-2-1-1-1-1-1-1) Abe/Lerriuqs over Saldana/Pass/Dubb/Hoops/EF/PB
335 - Clap votes PF (2-2-1-1-1-1-1-1-1) Abe/Lerriuqs over Saldana/Pass/Dubb/Hoops/EF/PB/PF
341 - Pass unvotes Lerriuqs, votes Hoops (2-2-1-1-1-1-1-1) Abe/Hoops over Saldana/Pass/Dubb/EF/PB/Lerriuqs
343 - PB votes EF (2-2-2-1-1-1-1-1) Abe/Hoops/EF over Saldana/Pass/Dubb/PB/Lerriuqs
347 - Pass unvotes Hoops (2-2-1-1-1-1-1-1-1) Abe/EF over Saldana/Pass/Dubb/PB/Lerriuqs/Hoops
357 - PF unvotes Lerriuqs (2-2-1-1-1-1-1) Abe/EF over Saldana/Pass/Dubb/PB/Hoops
370 - Pass votes for NTN (2-2-1-1-1-1-1-1) Abe/EF over Saldana/Pass/Dubb/PB/Hoops/NTN
372 - EF unvotes Hoops, votes PB (2-2-2-1-1-1-1) Abe/EF/PB over Saldana/Pass/Dubb/NTN
374 - PF votes NTN (2-2-2-2-1-1-1) Abe/EF/PB/NTN over Saldana/Pass/Dubb
381 - PF unvotes PB, votes Lathum (2-2-2-1-1-1-1) Abe/EF/NTN over Saldana/Pass/Dubb/Lathum
396 - Lathum unvotes Abe, votes EF (3-2-1-1-1-1-1) EF over NTN over Saldana/Pass/Dubb/Lathum/Abe
416 - Dubb unvotes Saldana, votes EF (4-2-1-1-1-1) EF over NTN over Pass/Dubb/Lathum/Abe
420 - BK votes NTN (4-3-1-1-1-1) EF over NTN over Pass/Dubb/Lathum/Abe
425 - Abe votes NTN (4-4-1-1-1-1) EF/NTN over Pass/Dubb/Lathum/Abe
443 - Pass unvotes NTN, votes No Lynch (4-3-1-1-1-1) EF over NTN over Pass/Dubb/Lathum/Abe
452 - EF unvotes Lathum, votes PB (4-3-1-1-1-1) EF over NTN over Pass/Dubb/Abe/PB
455 - Autumn votes PB (4-3-2-1-1-1) EF over NTN over PB over Pass/Dubb/Abe
457 - Telle votes Abe (4-3-2-2-1-1) EF over NTN over PB/Abe over Pass/Dubb

Off to my next job (no Web access), so I'll see you guys after deadline. Actually, probably after night deadline, too, come to think of it.

Deadline is less than an hour?

Wow, it kinda got dead around here all of a sudden.

Got to shower and eat...then off to church.

Hola fellow crazies!!! I hear that our doctor has been hording the good meds and giving us sugar pills instead. Except for Lathum, he has been giving him extenze so the mice would stop laughing at him.... :eek: :devil:

PB, I was hoping to be able to hop my vote a few times in the insane manner I was starting to but at this point I potentially screw myself if I move it. (I was going to follow your votes to be honest but then you voted me so I had to stop, so you could have an in game crazy stalker :) )

I hate it when it's his quiet!!! That's when the voices are the loudest!!!! Make them stop!!!!

Hehe, thanks EF. Look, this is where if I had a role of real importance, I would reveal...



...but I think my role is only mildly important and I can't reveal anyway. So villagers, you aren't losing a ton by voting me off.

So with Eaglefan around, I am assuming he is keeping an eye if he needs to move his vote to save himself (right now moving it from PB to ntn wouldn't change anything for him though).

PurdueBrad's vote is still tucked away on a non-candidate to which I'm guessing he will not hesitate to move it to either ntn or Eaglefan. I'm curious to which one you likely would go after PB? Any particular reason why that one over the other?

Alan, if needed I would go ntn over EF. The ntn-Telle dynamic bugs me.

Is it just that, or is it also because ntn is less likey to be around at the deadline based on his past history in WW games to move his vote as a counter?

Oh, I guess ntn already has his vote on you. So how much of your willingness to vote him is more self preservation?

I definitely would go Telle over him and probably Martin D too and then ntn.

Why Martin D? Not like Europeans?

Why Martin D? Without digging through the thread I don't recall off hand his name even coming up today.

Telle's play has struck me odd as she's looked to cover her votes multiple ways but then calls out others for their votes. Martin D's vote on my reeked of a future excuse the way he explained it. And then the ntn-Telle dynamic.

I don't have the post handy but find/re-read his vote for me. I'll look now.

Can you quote Martin D's post you are talking about?

What was the ntn-telle dynamic? That might have occurred while I was traveling today.

There are all kind of ways he could've gone and says voting for me is bandwagon jumping, don't feel sure about it...vote PB. It sounds like setting up an excuse for later.

Come on guys. A wolf doesn't go down fighting like this.

I think I disagree , since I have seen all kinds of methods wolves use to try to get out of lynch (over the top huffiness, silent reservation, misleading, faked reveal, etc).

I do appreciate PB's participating in this mini-discussion though. I notice Eaglefan sitting around watching without much thought. EF, what are your thoughts on PB since you have your vote on him. Why do you feel he is a good lynch choice?

Yep. I thought it was *crazy* that EF was catching so much heat for it, but no one mentioned that I did it.

This is over a 2 hour period approximately. And her vote on me came just shortly after I moved to ntn.

That's definitely not how I usually see PB go down.

Hmm, that didn't sound as bad before I typed it.

Ok, so you feel Telle's posts and actions were trying to protect ntn, and you feel that it is more then just being against voting someone for being quiet?

I personally don't have a problem with voting quiet people out if no other options show up myself, just curious why specifically Telle when other people mentioned the same reservations about voting for ntn?

Her Abe vote was about protecting ntn, her me vote pushed that agenda as well, I don't think anybody else did that twice.

Was Abe quiet or was I?

Sorry, misunderstood what you said, ignore above.

Sorry, in and out of the room making chili. My vote is only there because it was there before the run. I have no feel that he is a wolf at this point to be honest. Usually he has claimed to be seer by now if he were a wolf. :)

I was hoping to be able to hop my vote around some more today (to play up the whole theme of the game a bit) but then it looked like I needed it as self defense.

I would not be against moving my vote but that wouldn't help me much at the moment, unless I move it to ntn as it will be a wash for me at that point.

Alan, ask yourself, on day 1 would you move to protect someone that is quiet when everything seems to be a shot in the dark anyway? Come on, I think you know better than that.

I'm just asking questions, I don't think you want to be snippy with me when I can easily vote you here :)

And frankly, I can't get irritated about anything right now, Pens up 2-0.

I didn't think I was being snippy, my point was that I think you and I both know that that is a hell of an odd choice for someone and then to do it twice on day 1.

Oh, another reason I can't vote for EF: See my sig.

He didn't really seem snippy to me. Why would you vote for someone for being snippy, anyway? I know we don't have much to go on during Day 1, but we're voting to catch wolves, not snippy people.

If you are so sure in the Telle - NtN thing why not answer your questions and move your vote to NtN. Not only does it give you insight into that dynamic it also serves to give you some breathing room.

There were alot of things I found odd about people's votes today. :)

By the look of you sig I guess I am happy about that too.

It just seems like it is going to be hard to get someone else to come in and save you when you seem to be phoning it in with a throwaway vote.

UNVOTE ABE
VOTE TELLE

I'm not in a PB happy camp after last camp, but I'm rushed and I think his thinking is just as good as anyone else's.

SONOFA
UNVOTE ABE
VOTE TELLE

unvote Telle


vote ntn

Gotta go, I'm late for church, that by no means is a hit and run.

I think your definition of snippy is different then mine. He had been up till that point responding in a way that seemed at least somewhat realistic , which is different then how Eaglefan responded to the few questions I asked him (although EF said he was distracted I guess). Then PB turned to the "Come on you know better" arguement which never sits well with me. At least it isn't very conductive to discussion that was occurring. My point is I can instead of trying to spend time and getting a feel for which way I want to vote, to just vote for him and get it over with. (Since even though he is leading by one vote right now, it is essentially tied since he can move his vote at will)

Why you son of a.

Okay, I'm between those two. If you guys go Telle, I'm going there. If it stays ntn, I'm going there. Poli, thanks.

Poli, sorry. That is my preference, although frankly for my reasoning one is likely as good as the other.

*as good a choice as the other that is

Now we have a tie?

I guess that is what I was asking earlier.. you said your vote was on Telle instead of ntn because of the telle - ntn factor. If that was the case, why keep it on telle and not just move it to ntn. I did not get that. It felt more to me that you were doing two things.. 1) Trying to keep options open and 2) keep ntn's vote count lower in order to attract more votes to him. (People are more likely to tie it up then to vote someone ahead in those cases)

Yes, 5-5

I think ntn might be up by 1. I'll make it a tie by voting what Ibelieve since Poli stood by me:

unvote ntn

vote telle

I hear you on that -- although I think that kind of talk happens by many on here. Your post just came off like "be nice to me or I'll vote you"

Ah, no biggie, just saw that that put me up by 1. If I'm going down in this one, I'll go down with what I believe, right or wrong. Thanks Poli, and I do mean that.

I still don't get this. If you believe ntn and Telle are conspiring together, you are going to go down to a lynch by not voting ntn?? :confused:

And that's the other reason I pulled the self-defense vote off. That was meant more as I believe that Alan is intelligent and would likely see it the same way as me. But if I wasn't nice, then I deserve to be voted for and the time shouldn't be wasted on getting my side.

Oh I'm not afraid to use a be nice to me or I'll vote you.. but I'm trying to play differently because of out of game reasons (imo) now. So instead of just assuming I know best, I guess I'm trying to actually understand reasoning.

In the following cases:

PB - I don't understand his reason for telle over ntn
EF - Seems like he doesn't have a good reason other than it is not him
NTN - didn't really say much other than don't vote for him.

So it is a struggle :)

Sure.. butter me up. Wolves NEVER do that! :)

Alan, I read your comment the same way Pass did. So maybe it's my misunderstanding.

Is suicidal one of the hidden roles?

Ha, not here if it is. Although I guess my win condition would be dying!

For the record, this 8pm deadline is horrible! :)

My daughter has to go to bed in a minute, and I'm still undecided. Once I leave, I likely won't get back before the deadline.. so guess I need to decide.

At least deadline is between periods.

I am confused by one thing PB. If you feel there is a Telle/ntn connection why not go after the one of those two that will help get your tail out of the fire?

Will I probably switch, yeah, but I have a stronger feeling of Telle's play than ntn's. The dynamic between the two was much more her and may have been to garner trust. So it's going to be interesting if my desire to stick with what I believe or self-preservation wins out here.

*Garner his trust, that is.

Well since you only have 7 to decide, it's not a big deal!

Although I am glad someone was in my corner before Icould be. If Telle is a needie, then she is using my soon to be discovered innocence to enhance her reputation.

Wow, quite the run on PB - quick updated vote count?

way to be, danny

ok, I guess I'll bite the bullet and see if there is anything about ntn. I'll not vote PB primarily because he was willing to at least discuss things with me. I considered voting EF, but with the way the votes currently are, this seems the better choice.

Vote ntndeacon

ntn, if I have to switch to you for self-defense AND you're good, then I am sorry.