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For the record, I am also getting wolfy vibes from DT. I don't get his play at all so far. And as I said before, I think Mrs. Schmidty is a good choice as I think Hoops may very well have picked her. But I still think Lathum is the right call today. |
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Against a fake reveal is that he did it very very early. He was under a lot of pressure and this seems but a short term way of getting pressure off (what happens if he's still alive D3? We've got to lynch him then, right?). |
I've gave this some thought last night and this morning. I think in a game this size, with 4 or 5 women (don't remember off the top of my head), I figure there is a wolf in that group. It's not me, and LSG isn't pinging my radar, which leaves Telle and Mrs. Schmidty. Mrs. Schmidty played a great first game, and I can see Hoops drafting her as a wolf to challenge her and possibly throw us off with a newer player being a wolf. So I'm going with my gut here...
VOTE MRS. SCHMIDTY |
As I said earlier, if someone is going to reveal as a villager role (even the possibility of a confusing fake seer), I'm going to give them at least a day or so reprieve. There is still some kind of a percentage chance that Lathum is the real seer and then we'd really be screwed.
LSG provided some insightful analysis last night and the next highest candidate right now is DaddyTorgo. Let's see if the wolves move to save one of them. Vote DaddyTorgo |
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Well, one other thing it does is if he is a wolf, it gives him a few nights to make the kill (as opposed to the cunning wolf). Lathum would have at least a few votes against him (like me) and would be able to be the wolf to actually make the kill. When called on it, he would likely just say he was being set up by the wolves. So it could buy time and some security for the cunning wolf perhaps. And let's face it. You do anything to get out of a lynch, even if it's just for a day or two. |
Official vote count:
6 - Lathum - DaddyTorgo (250), KWhit (278), Barkeep (283), RendeR (294), Danny (431), Alan T (464) 4 - DaddyTorgo - Lathum (339), LoneStarGirl (538), PackerFanatic (556), mccollins (605) 3 - Mrs. Schmidty - EagleFan (362), saldana (596), oliegirl (604) 2 - EagleFan - Schmidty (394), SnDvls (580) 1 - OlieGirl - Passacaglia (270) 1 - KWhit - claphasma (527) 1 - saldana - Chief Rum (594) |
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From Lathum's responses to the criticism for revealing, it seems like he did not feel he would have the time to swing the vote off of himself with his limited availability this morning. |
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This is what really bugs me about the people voting for Lathum. Sure, it's a long shot that he has the seer/fool role, but stranger things have happened. We at least need to give it a day or two to play out and see what happens. |
i'm not a wolf
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not sure why people are getting a wolfy vibe from me - maybe because i feel like i'm settling back into the game, and my best games as a villager have always been when i am more vocal and thinking things through out loud and all
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I think he just got desperate. There was a definite run on him, and he said he was worried that there could be eight to ten votes on him by this morning. So instead of just going down on Day 1 he could have taken a gamble. And with knowing that there's two people who think they're seers in the game it's not a real bad gamble to take. Especially since he set himself up as "probably" the fake seer.. he can spend all game going "this guy came up good" and not have anybody refute his fake seer status for days on end. |
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I plan on moving my vote, problem is, I dont wanna pile on lathum, and I dont get much from DT.
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Vote for Mrs Schmidty :) |
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What makes you so sure about this that you're not only voting for her yourself, but also encouraging others to? |
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Out till 2-ish, see y'al later.
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Pass...it was a joke, didn't you see the smilie????? I'm not sure, no one is sure of a day 1 vote, and we are rarely sure of a day 2 vote. Like I said in my original post/vote, I'm going with my gut. |
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I saw the smiley, but if it's a joke, I don't think I get it. I'm trying not to be a fuddy-duddy or some kind of joke critic here, but...what's the joke? |
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so are yo saying you don't believe me? |
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When I am lynched and come up seer look to the people who voted late on me then didn't move there is probably a wolf there.
They know I am telling the truth and this is an easy chance to eliminate me instead of having to waste a night kill on me and a potential BG block to cause problems. They can also easily use the excuse that they didn't believe my reveal. |
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I have serious doubts about your truthfulness. But nothing in werewolf is ever absolute. I do think I'm probably going to vote for you unless something comes up. I'm just not really buying your story. |
why would poli make you the seer lathum? isn't that asking for trouble? unless he made you the fake seer - in which case eliminating you isn't a bad thing necessarily
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I'm a bit torn myself. I actually tend to believe Lathum as well, but I honestly doubt Poli would have made him the real seer. Hopefully some more evidence comes up for someone else.
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already stated I am pretty sure he would make me the fake seer. And on the off chance I am the real seer eliminating me is a very bad thing. Another thing I was thinking, Poli could have made me the real seer thinking the wolves wouldn't night kill me because I always get heat so I would get at least a few nights scans in. |
dola- CR's vote also worries me. He cast a throw away for a plausable candidate and has the built in work excuse for not being around at the deadline ( by no means a knock on CR or his schedule, just stating a fact)
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well if you get lynched and you come up the seer i think we assume you are the fake seer. if poli made you the real seer then i think we will all have words for him after the game about what a blunder that was.
i don't think poli makes you the real seer - by your logic he knows you draw heat so he could have/should have seen a situation like this developing, and frankly I think he's too smart to do that. i think you're either (a) the fake seer, or (b) a wolf (b/c poli forced hoops into taking you), or (c) the cultist (b/c poli forced hoops into taking you). Of those 3, there isn't really a negative in my book. Sure the fake seer and the cultist count as villagers, but if we don't lynch you odds are we're going to lynch another villager anyways (especially on D1), so we might as well get rid of one of these roles. I'm discounting the possibility you're a vanilla villager, since if you were you would not have revealed as a seer (whether that reveal is fake or not). I think you have a role. |
DT- How can you POSSIBLY say it is a good thing lynching me when there is a possibility I am the real seer?
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i understand you wanting to save yourself and continue in the game - however I don't see a negative in lynching you lathum, and i think if we were having this conversation about anybody else you'd agree.
you want to save yourself so you can keep playing, and i understand that, but you have to understand that the benefits of lynching you FAR outweigh the risks at this point. and if for some odd reason poli did make you the real seer, then poli really put his own team in position to lose the game spectacularly and TBH the blame rests on him. it's not as if he didn't have a ton of other options for people to make seer. |
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because as i stated i put the possibility of you being the real seer at 0%. If Poli made you the real seer, then TBH he fucked up bigtime and cost us our seer, and he really should have seen that coming. If he had any choice in the matter at all (which we now know he did) I believe there is a 0% chance he made you the real seer. |
DT, you must be joking.
If you believe I am not a wolf the lynching me is 100% the wrong move. |
Note for all villagers and wolves with night actions: You can, and should, make your action conditional to the lynch. Keep in mind there is a duke in this game!
Any questions about how this might work, please pm me. |
do we have avote count?
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Lynching the cultist is not a great move since the cultist counts as a villager. Lynching the fake seer is also not great since the fake seer counts as a villager.
However you as the cultist have the ability to cause a lot of havoc (and since the wolves know who you are they won't night kill you) and misdirection. If we lynch you and you're the seer I think we assume 100% that you were the fake seer and operate on that assumption. Either of those two ways, yes we are down 1 villager, but since we are likely to lynch a villager on D1 anyways, getting rid of someone with the ability to confuse and disorient us (whether on purpose or not) is not that large a negative. And if you are a wolf, we've netted a wolf. I suppose there's an argument for keeping the fake seer alive if it's "the fake seer scans everyone opposite of what they really are" -- but of course nobody knows if this is the case, and i think it's far more likely as someone broke down earlier, that the fake seer scans everyone as villager. |
As of post 638:
6 - Lathum - DaddyTorgo (250), KWhit (278), Barkeep (283), RendeR (294), Danny (431), Alan T (464) 4 - DaddyTorgo - Lathum (339), LoneStarGirl (538), PackerFanatic (556), mccollins (605) 3 - Mrs. Schmidty - EagleFan (362), saldana (596), oliegirl (604) 2 - EagleFan - Schmidty (394), SnDvls (580) 1 - OlieGirl - Passacaglia (270) 1 - KWhit - claphasma (527) 1 - saldana - Chief Rum (594) |
DT, I think it is funny you are now pushing that I could be the cultist as well.
you want me lynched so bad it is funny. lynching me is a bad thing if there is a .01% chance I am the real seer then |
villagers remember -voting for wolves in the final tally gives someone other than the cunning wolf the ability to make the kill.
actually maybe we could use this to our advantage if/when we get rid of the cunning wolf...hard to figure how to explain what i'm thinking, but i presume someone else has also had the same thought? |
lathum - i said you could be the cultist a while back - as early as yesterday afternoon i do believe
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OMG - I said it tongue-in-cheek, like "hey, if you don't know who to vote for, vote for Mrs Schmidty." It's not the first time someone has made that type of a comment in a ww game... Are you really puzzled by this or are you harassing me for personal enjoyment???? |
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Likely the latter ;) |
Thanks telle
unvote kwhitt vote DT |
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don't vote for me clap |
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Quite a convincing argument ;) |
see what DT is doing everyone.
he is rationalizing why you should lynch me so when I come back good he can turn around and try and say it was the right thing to do. when I come back seer I really hope you guys look strongly at him and kwhit. |
Well I've voiced my concerns over Lathum's reveal, and I'm really not getting a wolfy vibe off of DT. So, I'm going to go ahead and put my vote in now.
VOTE LATHUM |
dola- this is where I expect DT to try and get people to go after Mrs Schmidty.
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i'm not rationalizing it lathum - regardless of your role, it's the right thing to do.
if poli made you the real seer, than frankly, we deserve to lose, because that would be a bonehead thing to do. |
Telle- start prepearing your defense for when I come back seer
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why go after mrs. schmidty? no reason to lynch her yet that i can see.
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It's simple. You're the most likely candidate at present. |
Yet to vote: Mrs. Schmidty and GoldenEagle (who is yet to check in as far as I've seen)
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it really isn't that bonehead of a move. I think I am an above average villager so people aren't going to kill me day one usualy and the wolves usualy keep me alive because I take heat. I think it is FAR more likely that poli would make me the real seer as opposed to him purposly leaving me for Hoops at the last pick. Lets be honest, had KWhit not come up with that theory the odds of me being lynched day 1 are pretty slim. The more I think about it I put it at 60-40. |
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find me another game where someone on the block revealed as seer day 1 and was lynched? |
it's obvious my vote isn't helping matters so
UNVOTE EAGLEFAN VOTE DADDYTORGO make it a close 2 person race here and see what everyone else does I guess |
dola, nothing against you DT or for you Lathum
just want to keep everyone honest as much as you can in WW games |
ugh - don't lynch me
you all really want to force my hand? |
I think Lathum is either the real seer or a vanilla villager who is trying to save his butt. He may have some sort of other role as well, but I am convinced he is not a wolf. I could see Poli inserting Lathum as the real seer. You usually put your strongest player in as the seer and that is what Poli did. I do not think he is the fake seer. It is imperative that we keep Lathum around.
At this point, I would rather vote for Mrs. Schmidty than Daddy Torgo. But I will vote DT if I have to. |
Obviously if it comes down to it I would vote Mrs Schmidty out of self preservation but I would rather go with DT, I feel much stronger about him.
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off to the dentist, hopefully be back in time for the deadline but my vote stands on DT for now.
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you're wrong about me lathum
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Anyone have a current vote count?
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7 - Lathum - DaddyTorgo (250), KWhit (278), Barkeep (283), RendeR (294), Danny (431), Alan T (464), Telle (650)
6 - DaddyTorgo - Lathum (339), LoneStarGirl (538), PackerFanatic (556), mccollins (605), claphamsa (946), SnDvls (659) 3 - Mrs. Schmidty - EagleFan (362), saldana (596), oliegirl (604) 1 - EagleFan - Schmidty (394) 1 - OlieGirl - Passacaglia (270) 1 - saldana - Chief Rum (594) |
Question: Is the cunning wolf revealed as a wolf or a villager when lynched?
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The cunning wolf is revealed as the cunning wolf. |
I'm out for a while, probably until after deadline...won't be moving my vote anyway so I'm not too concerned about missing it...
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Good. Someone earlier mentioned that Lathum could be just a normal villager who fake revealed as seer just as his best chance to avoid lynch. My concern was that if he did that it could be a confusing result if he were lynched with us not knowing if he really was a villager or the cunning wolf. At least we won't have that to deal with. |
I have corrected an omission in the rules in the first post. The wolf role sorcerer scans for cultist and seer, not just cultist. Both fake seer and real seer give the same result to the sorcerer.
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Eh, I'm not worried. People can look at me all they want no matter what you come back as. I put forth solid analysis of why you're a great day one lynch choice. In other words, I've been working hard for the villager team. If I end up being wrong, so be it. |
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Thats it, I quit! No excuse for such mistakes. just kidding |
I have to get going for work in about 45 mintues so unfortunately I won't be here for deadline :(
I believe Lathum when he say's he's the seer, fake or not, do we really want to take that chance and take him out? I think not. I don't see how that can be good. The only way to try and avoid that would be to vote DT creating a tie right at deadline. I see that there are a few people on the board that voted elsewhere and they have ample time to break the tie so I'll let the cards fall as they may. Vote Daddy Torgo. |
what are the tie-break rules?
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The masons break the tie. If two or more players are tied, the one with more votes from the masons gets lynched. If the masons can't break the tie, tie = no lynch. |
I'm not a wolf. Just a villager. Not sure why everyone is blindly following along with this whole "vibe" thing that oliegirl started. It's absolute bumpkiss. All I have done is put a vote on Lathum and try to show why that vote makes sense in my mind. And I haven't really seen anything enough to sway it.
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Was this what you meant by "forcing your hand"? |
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And the masons know each other, but can't PM? |
Votes as of post 680:
7 - Lathum - DaddyTorgo (250), KWhit (278), Barkeep (283), RendeR (294), Danny (431), Alan T (464), Telle (650) 7 - DaddyTorgo - Lathum (339), LoneStarGirl (538), PackerFanatic (556), mccollins (605), claphasma (646), SnDvls (659), Mrs. Scmidty (676) 3 - Mrs. Schmidty - EagleFan (362), saldana (596), oliegirl (604) 1 - oliegirl - Passacaglia (270) 1 - EagleFan - Schmidty (394) 1 - saldana - Chief Rum (594) |
Also, way to call out someone who DOESN'T have a vote on you yet.
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Correct. |
I'm convinced, lets mix things up a bit.
Unvote Lathum Vote DaddyTorgo |
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You're convinced that DT is a wolf, or convinced that we should mix things up a bit? |
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I'm convinced that his argument to not vote him was super compelling. |
I just can't see Poli making Lathum the actual seer, not on second, third, fourth, or whatever level you want thinking.
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you really want me to reveal?
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i was torn on whether or not to switch off, right up until the "dont force my hand" bit...that sounded desparate to me
unvote mrs schmidty vote daddytorgo |
At this point, everyone should be either voting for DT or Lathum. If you vote for Mrs. Schmidty, oliegirl, EagleFan, or saldana you are doing the village no good. The spy could then follow Lathum or DT tonight and potentially give us more information.
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Not really. I think Lathum revealed way too early, and I don't think you should reveal right now either (if you really do have an important role to save). All day long though (game day) you've been hinting things since the very start of the game which is what gave alot of people suspicion of you. The way you have played it to me either is a reckless villager who has given the wolves so many hints to having a role by now if you aren't a wolf they are already on to you as a possible target... or you're a wolf trying to set yourself up from the start for a later fake reveal. Neither of those scenarios really compel me much right now. |
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Just for later reference.. if Saldana and DT are wolves together, now that DT has taken a 2 vote swing vs a supposed revealed seer and seems to be preparing himself for either a reveal or fake reveal... this is the point as a wolf you have to make the decision if you get on board or not before it seems like a late throw on a done deal. |
just playing reckless *shrug*
like i've said - i just think the scenario kwhit layed out is compelling and it makes sense to lynch lathum. just aggrivated by how everyone is leaping onto me based on these nebulous "feelings" that no one can even articulate any real evidence for. |
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or, it could be i am a villager that hates ties and didnt see your vote that broke the until after i already posted mine because i didnt refresh the screen often enough....take your pick |
going to lunch. should be back within 30-45
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How am I getting dragged into this? I don't even have a vote on you! |
Votes as of post 697:
9 - DaddyTorgo - Lathum (339), LoneStarGirl (538), PackerFanatic (556), mccollins (605), claphasma (646), SnDvls (659), Mrs. Scmidty (676), Alan T (686), saldana (691) 6 - Lathum - DaddyTorgo (250), KWhit (278), Barkeep (283), RendeR (294), Danny (431), Telle (650) 2 - Mrs. Schmidty - EagleFan (362), oliegirl (604) 1 - oliegirl - Passacaglia (270) 1 - EagleFan - Schmidty (394) 1 - saldana - Chief Rum (594) |
UNVOTE MRS SCHMIDTY
VOTE HOOPSGUY I'm still not convinced Mrs S isn't a wolf, but Hoops calling me out when I had a vote on Mrs S reeks of the exact same mistake that Alan made in the last game and he was a wolf. Once bitten, twice shy... |
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