:(

Man, pretty quiet right now. I will put in a vote, but I don't really have a good feel for anything. DT would be a cinch if it wasn't possible he has been cured. And I can't rule anything out in this game.

So I'll put a vote in on DT right now, but I am looking for a reason to move to a potential new wolf, rather than on old converted wolf.

VOTE DADDYTORGO

I didn't know Count von Count was considered a Fairy Tale Character...


1 Vote Ahahahahaahahahhh
2 Vote Ahahahahahahahah

I think the vote is pretty fixed right now, but I'm going to pitch in towards making things closer just in case something interesting might happen.

VOTE SnDvls

great...just getting into the thread for the first time today and I find that i'm basically hopelessly on the block to go back to the bog

*shrug*

VOTE SNDVLS

self-preservation

UNVOTE ALANT
VOTE SNDVLS

Switching my vote to prove my alliance with the village as a good guy.

I don't want to vote DT, but I also am not thrilled about a percieved jump on vote for SnDvls. I'd go OG since I actually kind of trust Alan for once, but that's a waste. Hmm.

VOTE SNDVLS

I can get you out of the bog tomorrow if something happens. Long as you're not evil that is.

I'm kinda surprised so many people are following me onto SnDvls too.. but I think we just all agree that the choices are shitty and nobody's tossed out any other names.

And just like that, it became very interesting indeed...

guess maybe I should come up with my night movements now. I wasn't going to bother

You're missing chief's vote on DT.

Wait, how did DT go from 7 down to 5?

How is this proving an alliance with the village as a good guy?

What's the tiebreak?

So did the first and last votes on DT get removed by someone's magic or something?

How.. odd

I dont like how those votes just disappeared to save someone

Unvote Oliegirl
Vote DaddyTorgo

makes me nervous too

Watching Kitchen nightmares while trying to figure out what happened with that vote. :)

Render, can you say whether or not anyone manipulated that vote, or if it was all just a mistabulation? You had Oliegirl listed for DT and Chief Rum listed for DT (even though I don't think OG ever voted for DT), then they both disappeared, then suddenly reappared.

If it was just a mistake, then no biggie.. I'm just trying to figure out what is real and what isn't (if that makes sense)

I like still being alive.

Those were just me being a dumbass. Nothing manipulated the vote.

wow teaches me to watch Kid Nation

that sure was an interesting turn of events.

Yeah I really didn't expect there to be a run on you like that. I figured I'd pick someone that hasn't been looked at too thoroughly, and it would spark discussion.. and maybe someone would pick another person to examine too. Instead everyone just kinda jumped on you without saying much.

Vote Oliegirl


At some point even if she really is good, she'll likely just come and kill me to get rid of me :)

Dola, now you can start to understand what happened between myself and my ex-wife.

Dola Dola.. except I think my ex-wife used alot more poison on me than Olie used on Telle

I'm just up from a nap to find out that I was attacked by oliegirl. She failed, and I saw her face.


VOTE OLIEGIRL

Did you see who she was, Schmidty?

Am I allowed to post my exact PM, or must I switch tiny things up a bit?

Basically, she jumped me (her name, not role), and "underestimated me", and I basically kicked the shit out of her.

Out of all that, I only saw her name, not role. Not even any in-game descriptions, which is a bummer. But at least I know she's bad. Slam dunk vote today.

Who cleared og again?

Hmm, not sure how this works into Schmidty's view of things, but I found oliegirl earlier while searching Sherwood Forest. She was dead asleep, and the PM was specific in that she appeared to be unharmed but unable to be awoken. She also had a fairy tale book with "R W V" on the outside of it.

A Day 3 or Day 4 result?

Well, I got the PM shortly after the Day Three deadlien and my move to and search of Sherwood Forest was my second action of that day. So I guess Day Three.

BTW, nothing I saw really precludes Schmidty from being wrong, just a matter of timing. I would lean toward believing him at this point and will throw a vote on OG. It doesn't seem like she can hurt us right now anyway, though. So if we have another candidate, we might go that way and hope we have a seer-like character that can confirm or deny Schmidty's claim.

VOTE OLIEGIRL

I will be out most of the day, of course, but I will be back well before deadline tomorrow night.

No one did as far as I know.

Any idea what the R W V fairy tale book is in reference to? I looked through all of the roles, but nothing jumped out at me.

Why is Olie attacking someone something that makes her bad? I've attacked someone and I'm good. Same for Anxiety.

Your attacking someone at least had a plausible explanation for it and I could follow along your thought process pretty well. I would have likely tried to kill OG in your position rather than DC to figure out the same thing, but I at least could understand how you got to where you were.

Anxiety's kill I had a little less to follow along with, and don't fully understand it and partially wonder if there is something that he found out that he didn't fully tell us that led him to that point. With OG it was not so.. she attacked early, without much reasoning, her reasoning for it was flawed and when asked about it, she avoided the question. Then her behavior regarding the attack and what her actions were afterwards were completely opposite of what I would expect someone that had good intentions.

So yeah, I don't think being an attacker in this game necessarily makes you bad anymore, but you better have a good explanation for why you tried it.. You had one, she hasn't (for either of her two attacks now)

Dead asleep and R W V says Rip Van Winkle to me.

Wouldn't that be RVW instead of RWV? :)

Maybe Rip's dyslexic because I had been racking my brain trying to make sense of that and that explanation does actually make sense.

Well it is a better explanation than anything that I can come up with, but I don't really see how that character fits into this game.. who would be his nemesis, would he be good or bad, would it be him that put OG to sleep, or is it assuming that OG was that character? I guess I'm not really able to wrap up many loose ends with that explanation.

Ok I'm sort of willing to buy this. Are you suggesting she's a wolf then or some other evil creature?

We have potions and spells and stuff in this game. I viewed it more as an item some player found and cast it upon someone else.

Hoops said that he felt 100% sure she was not a wolf. Based on her actions, I am guessing it is some other evil creature. Since I am looking for one of the other evil creatures, its as good of place as any for me to look for now.

Maybe she found the book and chose to read it and it put her to sleep then.. and maybe Path was right that its a dislexic title

I was attacked by the dragon last night, and saw that it was Mr.Wednesday.

VOTE MR.WEDNESDAY

lol.. people just don't like you.. how many times have you been attacked so far and the attacker failed? 3? :)

You would think they would have learned by now.

Oh, and he has quite the nasty gash on his side now from my sword :) And he fled into Sherwood Forest.

Yeah RendeR's been in quite disbelief over the luck I've had thus far :)

Good job Lancelot! Mmmm.. dragon sausage :)

So who was Lancelot?

well I found out who had the crossbow...I just did my search while in the forest and low and behold what did I find...the crossbow next two some old dragon scales...so I guess that mystery is solved too.

I'm guessing that Mr. W's goal was eliminate one person from each pair or something.

anyhow I don't think we'll be seeing people offed w/ the crossbow today.

lol.. a dragon that uses a crossbow?

This just in.. Render hates me... thats all! :)

Well originally I had thought that Sndvls was the dragon because of his interest about who was looking for the dragon, then I thought he was Lancelot, but Hoops said that Sndvls was not his ally.. so I'm back to not knowing who Lancelot is/was.

So even if she attacked you, she could be a villager acting on a hunch, right? Plus, I'm not sure how we can believe that you were really attacked by her. With Wednesday out of the picture...

VOTE SCHMIDTY

Hoops could have been lying. It's not like I announced it to the world when I found Buttercup. And the fact that SnDvls found the crossbow makes me think he was the one who killed the dragon -- he just doesn't want to say he's Lancelot. Dude, SnDvls, you can't get a major victory at this point anyway -- fess up and join me!

That's a good point. And she can't even speak for herself since she appears to be taking a very long nap.

What do you think are the victory conditions for the evil members of the triangle? Maybe to kill both of the good members of it?

Insomnia was clouding my brain. :D

Well thats something I have been trying to figure out. Since the good guys have to do more than just find friends and eliminate the bad guy, they also have to find items, that seems like quite a difficult list of things to do before someone finally offs one of your two people.. I had assumed just as we were looking for our nemesis, they too were looking to kill us. But that seems too easy to me, so I am not sure what else their winning condition would be...

However since my winning condition is self-contained and has nothing to do with the dragon or evil mastermind (or even the wolves until Render added the minor victory condition), I assumed they too were the same way.. Thats why I am puzzled a bit about our dragon.. unless he was just taking pot shots at trying to find his targets, he seemed fine killing just anyone.

could the dragon's victory of been to prevent us from finding our pair and by taking out one it help him achieve his goal? just thinking out loud here.

How was he to pick and choose who he killed? I'm wondering if he was the bad guy for Lancelot and Guinevere -- if he had to kill them both, how would he know who to go after? In that case, I can see him just killing anyone.

I guess I'm worried that if we kill an evil creature that's not a wolf, we're handing a major victory to two good guys. And I'm not one of them!

I just don't see how that would fit in with all of the other groupings.. Lancelot + Guinevere + bad guy would pretty much fit in with just about all of the other ones. The dragon seemed like their most likely nemesis (coupled with the fact Lancelot killed him).. I think either the dragon was taking shots at people in hopes of finding the right person, or something else is going on.

I think if the dragon had incentive to take out others besides Lancelot and Guinevere, then so did the Evil mastermind, and other bad guys.. and if so then this game is going to be even more challenging for me to win.

Just reading over last night. That bandwagon on SnDvls was crazy! Don't we know DT is a wolf?

I assume the bad guy has to spy on players the same way we do. I don't have any ability to hunt down the bad guys , just my friends. so the only way in the rule set I can find to hunt down who your bad guy is, is to spy on them..

However if other people's major victory conditions are like mine, I'm not worried about another pair getting a major victory.. I'm not even close to winning myself right now. I'm just trying to stay alive at this point.

We know DT used to be a wolf. Telle used some potion that had the description of de-wolfing him, but we aren't sure one way or another.. and DT didn't help his cause any with absolutely no explanation at all (lie or otherwise). At the end everyone was voted for Sndvls or DT except for me, And two things scared me.. the sudden bandwagon on Sndvls for absolutely no reason (like I said earlier, I assumed he was the dragon until this morning and don't really have any incentive to go after the dragon one way or another).. and then the sudden disappearance of some votes on DT (which render later admitted was just his mistake). So I saved Sndvls and sent DT back to the bog.

Now watch Sndvls be my "bad guy" that I am looking for to eliminate.

DT was a wolf. But then I used a potion on him and he became human. I don't really know what that means within the scope of the game and win conditions and such.. but we've had a lot of weird stuff going on in this game.

I just kinda threw SnDvls' name out there as someone to look at since I didn't see any reason to send DT off to the bog at that point.. and was rather surprised that so many people followed me since it's not like I had any evidence against him or anything.

Yeah, it was weird. So many people saying, "I dunno what to do -- might as well all pile on this guy." Yeah, watch him be bad after all that. Still seems fishy. Are we sure that DT really is human, and that there wasn't a push to protect him?

The dragon's victory had to do with the princesses.

my question about DT's transformation is how long is it effective. could he already have changed back to a wolf?

How do you know this? Guessing because of all of the girls that died? Are you then assuming that Telle is a princess too? The only difference there is if Mr.W had been shooting them all with the crossbow, wouldn't Telle's sword have been rather ineffective against a crossbow?

I was told that he turned into a human. Beyond that, I dunno. Maybe the wolves wanted to protect him in case they find a potion that will turn him back? Or maybe it was just a weird pile-on.. just off the top of my head there was me who is human, Anxiety who killed the evil genius, and Mr. Wednesday who was the dragon. Seems like a pretty mixed bag.

Yeah his attack on me had nothing to do with a crossbow. He swooped in on me and tried to grab me.

What do you mean, human?

Hi hair fell out, his teeth and nails shortened, and he became human.

Hmm interesting day thus far. Im sure it will continue to be so.

Oh, I meant when you called yourself human. Do you mean you're a "good guy" or physically human? How have you been identified as either?

I meant non-wolf. Hoopsguy identified me as not being a wolf.. and he appearantly was pretty certain about what exactly my role is.

I thought it was oliegirl that he identified as not a wolf?

If I recall correctly, Hoopsguy flat out said that he felt Telle was "good" wheras Oliegirl was just said to not be a wolf and that he knew her role but didn't see any motivation to reveal it.

Thats one of the reasons I trust Telle and don't trust OG

Here's what hoops said about me and my role.

The other thing about Telle that makes me feel good about her is that Hoopsguy was the one with the potion that apparently saved Telle's life. I highly doubt that he would have passed that to her if she had come back as anything evil.

I thought Telle changed him back to human. That's why I didn't vote for him. I'd have rather voted Oliegirl but SnDvls had more votes and I didn't want to be seen as wasting mine.

Edit: I'd best just not say anything.

Great game RendeR, I'll be back to discuss in the postgame.

Might as well get my vote in.

VOTE OLIEGIRL

Has anyone else spied upon someone or been attacked and seen who their attacker was? I can't be the only one. There is Schmidty.. but I honestly have no idea if he's telling the truth or if he was the one that attacked her and is simply taking advantage of her currently being out of commission.

And after that rush on SnDvls yesterday, I'm wondering if maybe he was actually a bad guy and some people who knew took advantage of the chance to vote for him without outting who they are and how they know??

Whoa

Good grief .. I think it is time for me to just throw away my notes :)

Oh.. looks like someone will be rejoining us. This should be fun.

oh great now what?

I'm waiting to see what the third wish was. And who the heck was raised from the dead??