Ah, thank you for pointing that out. I had missed that.

My guess is that either Swaggs or SnDvls was not a bad guy kill but rather one of the people who could be hired out which makes it just as likely that one of them was as much a Senatorial grudge as a Tarquoin grudge.

Well, some thoughts in case I forget it all in the morning:

I'm interested in knowing what happened with our second arrest. Did Saldanus Lathumus not make an attempt, or was the arrest thwarted somehow?

I'd like to hear what other services people used, and any information they gained from them. I think this day it's important for us to arrest some good suspects.

I would like to hear from our fellow Senator Bulletus Spongeus. If we need to arrest and lynch randomly, it makes sense to target our quieter members. We need to leave now shadows of silence for the traitors to hide in. Unless we hear something convincing from this senator today I will be likely to want to convict, if only to scare any quiet members into action today.

Did anything come of all these lawsuits? Should we continue down that path? I will probably sue a list of people who seem at all suspect to me at this point if so.

I would urge anyone who has the ability to investigate members to today investigate our new consuls. That will give us some evidence for whether to follow through any arrests they make today.

Do you have evidence that any such grudges exist? If one of our Senators is willing to kill another for personal gain, I would paint them a traitor as much as any Tarquin sympathizer. Myself, I hold no grudges against any loyal Senator, and have no goals other than rooting out the traitors. Perhaps others in the Senate have additional goals?

tanglewood still playing WW?

Either that, or as someone mentioned before, the services dictate what abilities both good and bad guy have for the night. They got a legionaire, which allowed them to do some stabby stabby, and got someone who could poison as well.

Or they got the stabbity guy, and can poison once per day/night/whateverwe're callingitthisgame as a matter of course.

doh, forgot the Primer

Today you must vote on the guilt or innocence of Bulletus Spongeus. A majority vote is required to execute him.

I've seen him lurking, I sent him a pm, but he hasn't responded.

Ah well, he woulda been my first choice.

Could send flowers to Blade, of course. ;)

Of course, there's new school - Johnathan E or old school - WSUCougar.

Neq?

Not a bad choice

I told what my hired service did. Can people tell us what the warlord and the priest does and who hired them?

king would be a good choice too

Other plays I can think of that aren;t playing include:

Fouts
Mckerney
Qwiksand
Chubby
Sack Attack

Oh and the sex dealers too

Mustang
Greyroofoo
Talgian

Passacaglia
Mr. Wednesday

We should probably start talking about bullet now. Alan, why him?

Alanus Teeus - I am curious what the reasoning is behind your switch on the services. About 5 hours ago you posted this regarding the services for hire:


And just now you posted this:

I've already addressed this. I would appreciate it if everyone would answer my questions too though.

I didn't change anything. You are being really selective in your quotes eh? Some hidden agenda here? You chose not to quote the times I said wait till the end of the day and only quoted a part of my intentions? People can on their own go back and see what I really said if they want and not what you are trying to pretend I said.

Going to go the route of pressure. If you can come up with a good reason why you shouldn't die, bullet, let me know.

VOTE BULLET

VOTE KILL BULLET

Just to be clear.

I kinda have to challenge the thinking behind this list. The lawyers apparently have no knowledge of what actions they are taking for their clients. How are we to take your word that AlanT was actually scanned? And why did you scan AlanT given that he was backing you for Consul? Did his vote for you inspire some level of distrust? There seems to be an awful lot of fake reveal potential to these lawyer scans as they cannot be verified. Anyone who has enough money to hire them has the ability to be a fake seer unless someone takes the time to "rescan" someone.

The fact that Coffee Warlord has said he also scanned someone in no way proves his innocence. All it proves to me is that he did actually hire a lawyer, which was confirmed in the public record. He even chose to scan a player that more than half of the board felt was trustworthy enough to vote as Consul. He could definitely be good, but I think it is dangerous to place him on such a high level of trust on the 3rd day.

Just so people are clear how Ironhead is being fairly misleading with his comments/questions.

Well based on what we've seen so far, the poisoning death is definitely the traitors. The sword death is probably them too, maybe one of the services is an assassin of some kind, that one of the traitors hired. If there is a service like that we need to find out as soon as we can, and keep it under loyalist control if possible.

Alan - Not trying to misquote you, I honestly did not remember the very last post about revealing things after the deadline. But my point is still the same. If you are worried about giving the Tarquins a "roadmap" for their efforts what is the advantage to the village of revealing this information now?

Well, there is a slight advantage to be gained in terms of trust. I can vouch for Alan's explanation of the horsemen - I've gained access to them at some point in the game and his explanation of the mechanic is true.

So we can at least begin to connect dots in terms of who hired what services. At least, we can do this with Alan as long as he is a servant of Rome. There is a possibility that Tarqs gained the horses yesterday and had Alan speak on the matter to gain this trust. Fun 2nd level thinking with WW, but with another person semi-vouching for him in Dodgerchick I think Alan moves into a little higher trust than the rest of the pack for now.

Because like I said before, knowing what the services do help us as well as them. Knowing who has ownership of that service for the day really only helps them. And people thinking there aren't wealthy traitors are likely just fooling themselves, its only a matter of time till they figure out the services on their own, which gives them yet another upper hand if we choose to not discuss the effects of the roles.

I'll do my best to get up to speed as quick as possible....

Welcome Mustus Angus! (or whatever you end up being!)

I guess WVU didn't have a chance to make alot of friends or enemies with his 2 posts so, that helps. :D

True, true

Welcome to the show Mustang.

I never liked that WVU Fanus, or whatever his name was ;)

I'm just so confused about everything.

Well that seemed to be a rather uncommonly bad day one. (although they all seem to be) We don't get two prisoners to vote on and we get two guys killed. We seem to be playing glibly along into the hands of the wolves. I'm going to get this out of the way now though.

Vote Execute Bulletsponge

Following his play in the Cold War game I have absolutely no qualms in killing him. Either he's a bad guy which is a great result or he's a villager who won't be making any effort to help the good side. As far as I'm concerned the only use he is to us is as a body number and I'd rather learn more about the mechanics of execution than keep an extra body around. I'm being intentionally blunt about this. This isn't even really a pressure vote to get bulletsponge talking, although I'll be interested to hear what he has to say.

I'm pretty upset that, in the end, there were only 4 votes to execute Coffee - and there seemed to be a whole lot of people who didn't vote one way or the other. With a close vote we might have gained some information that could be used later. As it is we don't know a thing. (other than the fact that we need a majority + 3 to be absolutely sure of executing someone).

I'm pretty mad about the fact that we have only one person to vote for today, though I don't feel as bad about killing bulletsponge as I would have for CW.

My question is, exactly what are we hoping to learn by killing someone? We throw off rock, splat, dead. I'm curious what kind of mechanics you're thinking of Narcizo.

I probably shouldn't have mentioned that. I've noticed something but I don't really want to go into my theory right now and possibly give the bad guys a bit more information to act on. But I do think we'll learn something from an execution.

I'm going with the mechanic of you need to lynch to win as the village.

VOTE TO EXECUTE BULLETUS SPONGUS

btw, Saldana why did you not arrest anyone?

What I would like to see is for everyone to state who they would like to see arrested today. We don't get a normal lynch vote here but we can act as though we did. That way it would be possible to keep some sort of extra voting record. Obviously it will be easy for the wolves to avoid committing to anything or they can just make a throwaway vote but if everyone commits to it I think it will provide a little bit more information for us to use.

Personally I'd vote to lynch ImTheCrew. His general MO is to be under the radar but he did state that he was going to be more present yesterday. Only to disappear completely from view again. I do have a couple of qualms though 1) he can probably get a lawyer for tomorrow so we'd need a huge majority to convict and 2) I wonder if a wolf would be quite so quiet. It's almost drawing attention to himself. But I'm going to stick with my stated policy of being very suspicious of UTR guys early on and ITC fits the ticket perfectly.

Apparently not.


Which makes me very in hearing why saldana didn't arrest someone. I also note that he voted to execute CW but then changed his vote when it was becoming clear that CW would be freed. Those two things put together just seem a bit suspicious to me.

Although looking through I don't think it makes a whole heap of difference as there's absolutely nothing we can do to remove saldana. He's got a ticket for life unless he's killed as we can't arrest him.

Apart from that I hope we get BG protection for the Consuls today, so we can finally look forward to a two-candidate vote tomorrow without the wolves slowing us down even more with a consul kill.

I agree that there are normally quiet and active wolves but I think this is more down to randomness than some sort of masterplan by the wolves. I would imagine that wolves all try and mimic their villager game to avoid looking suspiciously active or quiet. So if ITC suddenly started a game with a flurry of posts then I'd be very suspicious of him. This makes him look damned if he does and damned if he doesn't now - but I would suggest he gradually starts to participate more.

However, I still think the policy of weeding out the quiet players early on is a sound one, even if there are going to be some active wolves. While someone being active or quiet is no guarantee of their allegiance I don't think there's any doubt that active villager players generally further the cause of the village more than quiet ones. There is also more opportunity that an active wolf will slip up and post something incriminating. (admittedly there is also the danger of that from an active villager - I thought I'd incriminated myself by talking too much in the Big City game). As a villager I would always rather have a game where everyone is talking than one where nothing is being said, particularly early on. (Then again, I like there to be lots of talk for me to build up elaborate conspiracy theories around :) )

If this makes me look like I'm pushing too hard in one direction or having an agenda then so be it. My conviction is that going after quiet players at the start is correct play and I don't see any reason not to repeat that conviction. I do have an agenda - getting people to post more.

Totally agree about the dangers of blindly using the post counter to determine "contribution" though.

A lot to digest today. First, two notes that deal directly with me:

Swaggs, I actually voted for others than me, not out of any lack of confidence whatsoever, but because of my nature to not be "selfish" in such choices. I will always choose to give before I choose to take. I do believe I am the best for4 being a consul, and in the future I will vote that way, if for any reason than to show I know this to be true.

LSG, why do you assume venom on me? You want to skip right past the arrest and straight to the rock? And with no explanation either. Very poor form. In fact, above and beyond that it involves me directly, I have to say it was the single strangest public action taken yet in this game and deserves considerable scrutiny.

Now as the goings ons. Does anyone now think being a lawyer is anything but a death sentence? Between investigative abilities and the influence they may have on arrest trials and lawsuits, I would think good lawyers are the last people wolves would want to keep alive--and they will know who is good or not. So I would be very suspicious if a lawyer continued to stay alive unless he was continuously protected via bodyguard.

I think it would be a good idea to track lawsuit success. I believe AlanT is on to something in that the individual suits themselves may have no bearing on the results, just the matchup of the individuals suing and being sued. A close look at this might reveal a different ranking system involving influence that could be just as important as the one involving wealth.

I think the services are used in the kills. The types of services available depend on whether the player hiring the service is good or bad. This has already been supposed by others, but I think this is even more obvious from the fact that there were no wolf actions on Day One. Of course they could not kill then--they, too, had to wait the day out and successfully purchase their services. This might also indicate that those who are more wealthy would be suspicious in situations where we have a number of deaths. For instance, today, we have two deaths. If services can be used to execute kills and we assume five wolves, that means a fringe faction (15-20% wolf) won two of the seven (28%) non-lawyer services (a sword-wielding one, and a poison-using one). That would suggest there is at least a small concentration of wolves in amongst our wealthiest. It is too small a sample size right now to just start picking off the wealthy, but it is food for thought.

I am around right now, and will be around most of the day tomorrow before leaving for work, so I encourage anyone who has questions for me to ask them. I will be glad to respond.

Further thought--let's say services can be used for kills, as I believe.

Then we should have everyone reveal who successfully bought a service on Day One, and how they used it. I know some of this has alreayd come out. Who used the sexslaves, though? Or the priest, wasn't there one of those? Or the other horse trader?

I don't think the people who bought and won services for Day Two should announce. As AlanT said, that gives the Tarqs too much of a roadmap by which to go by. But the Day One services are bought and gone. If we know who bought every service that day and how they used it, we can put to rest whether or not these services are the tools by which the Tarqs may kill.

BTW, if this is true, it also behooves us to have good be rich and constantly buying services. If you are good and wealthy and are NOT buying a service, you are not helping the side of the Senate and Republic.

Final votes -

(14) Kwhit - Sndvls (283), Ardent (327), Coffee Warlord (359), Narcizo (363), Anxiety (374), Tyrith (375), Bulletsponge (395), Imthecrew (412), Chief Rum (423), Peregrine (424), Lonestargirl (431), Swaggs (439), KWhit (448), Barkeep (450), Schmidty (483), Dodgerchick (488), Ironhead (494)
(10) Barkeep - Barkeep (285), Grammaticus (400), Ardent (408), Imthecrew (412), Saldana (416), Narcizo (429), Tyrith (434), KWhit (448), SnDvls (451), path (493), Antmeister (498)
(5) Dodgerchick - Alan T (333), Dodgerchick (488), Hoopsguy (489), path (493), Marc Vaughan (495)
(5) Hoopsguy - Neon_chaos (427), Grammaticus (457), Marc Vaughan (460), Schmidty (483), Hoopsguy (489)
(2) Chief Rum - Swaggs (342), Anxiety (370)
(2) Autumn - Swaggs (366), Coffee Warlord (417)
(2) Narcizo - Chief Rum (423), Peregrine (479)
(1) Peregrine - Neon_chaos (428)
(1) Swaggs - Alan T (442)
(1) Coffee - saldana (492)
(1) Neon Chaos - Ironhead (494)
(1) Grammaticus - Antmeister (498)

prisoner vote:
(4) Throw CW off rock - Barkeep (285), Narcizo (298), Anxiety (370), DaddyTorgo (393),
Innocent - Ardent (312), Coffee (359), bulletsponge (395), SnDvls (401), ImTheCrew (412), Chief Rum (423), Peregrine (424), Schmidty (483), Dodgerchick (488), hoopsguy (489), path (493), Ironhead (494), Antmeister (498),
Voted/Unvoted Tyrith (286/403), Swaggs (294/397), Grammaticus (400/457), Saldana (416/492)

Back with a couple of observations about this in a bit.

Can we elect more lawyers? One is already dead, the other might be on his way out, unless protected. I guess if we can't we'll just have to use the generic NPC lawyers. I haven't done a lot of back-checking, but SnDvls seems sort of a random kill, especially as it was by sword, a service almost certainly.

Heh, the oldest WW (Peregrine) and the newest WW (Autumn) make the same mistake. :)

Schmidty was named the second-best lawyer, with AE moving up a spot to #1. It seems likely there will always be two lawyers. Your guess is as good as mine as to whether there is a set list for this or if a player is chosen at random.

Firstly there seems to have been 21 votes cast on Coffee Warlord. I'm sure people will say that not voting was the same as casting a vote for innocent and in these circumstances I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt. However when it comes to the stage where we have two candidates I think it's very important that everyone casts a vote and states their reasons for the vote. In a game this size it just seems to be too easy for the wolves to keep the status quo, avoid a lynch and just pick us off at their leisure.

Secondly I'm not sure I'm really comfortable with the way the consul votes went down. I'm to blame as much as anyone but it seems like the two candidates got pushed through really early and there was no real way to stop the bandwagon rolling. I'm glad we got two consuls who I believe will arrest good candidates for a lynch vote but I would have prefered for there to have been at least another viable candidate. Like I said I'm as much to blame as the next man there.

Yeah, sorry about that, looking back it looks like I skipped over a page of posts somehow. At least we won't ever run out of lawyers (just like real life!)

I am happy that my profession may never die. Maybe now the Tarktanians will leave me and my fellows lawyers alone.

I'm here to make a decent wage and to provide a fair service.

I want to see the bad guys go away as well.

Throw Bullet from the Train, err, the Cliff.

Unfortunately, ardent, as long as there is a chance they could get one of their own in as a lawyer (and we don't know that they are not eligible to be lawyers themselves), your position will always be one in peril, especially in the early going right now, where it is difficult to tell who is truly important.

Speaking of which, I see why Swaggs would be killed. But why SnDvls? Anyone have any thoughts on that? Truth be told, I barely knew SnDvls was in the game.

Personally, if the bad guys thought they could kill the lawyers and get rid of them permanently, I'm a little surprised we weren't both targets.

Ah, but then again, I did have the bodyguard. :)

Good play, Ardent.

You're not kidding.

I love mornings. I love not being in the Navy.

Wait a sec...Navy? Lawyer? You're JAG, huh? Did you get a piece of that Catherine Bell?

Don't ask. Don't tell. Don't harass.

:)

I may be here at total of zero minutes after this post until this afternoon. My supervisor will likely be in the same room with me for most of the day.

Additionally, should I be alive after today, I will be at job sites Thursday and Friday during the day.

i was never actually told that i could, or i would have

i have a feeling Bulletsponge is a Tarq plus we need to see what happens when some one is thrown off the cliff so.....

VOTE KILL BULLETSPONGE

Come again?


You might at least have PMed Cronin to ask when it was clear that there was no replacement. This seems like a costly ommission from the villagers' standpoint.

OK getting back to the votes, I've included the votes to release Coffee because I wanted to get a picture of who didn't bother to vote at all. Of the three options available I find people not voting at all the most suspicious. Discounting WVUFan then I come up with

Alan T, Neon Chaos, Marc Vaughan, Autumn, LoneStarGirl, KWhit not casting any sort of vote. Please let me know if I'm wrong here as it's pretty difficult to cross-check this.

I'm inclined not to read too much into Alan's lack of vote as he clearly stated his point a few times but I'm interested in hearing from the rest of them about this and if it's likely to happen again in a two-candidate vote.

I'm not very happy about the consul vote (but have to accept that I'm as much to blame as anyone else, as I voted for both the successful candidates) in that there was never ever really much of a competition as KWhit and Barkeep steamrollered in early. I think we need to closely scrunitise both consuls. I can't be bothered trying to work out who didn't vote in the Consul elections but would be very happy to hear from anyone who didn't vote why they didn't.

Oops! Looks like I've pretty much repeated myself there. I didn't think I posted that the first time around. Sorry about that.

I think this is an excellent idea but I'd take it one step further. I would like everyone to state what service they bid on in day one even if they were unsuccessful. The reason for this is that I think it will give us a better idea of who's lying. (eg If a tier two Senator bid for the priest and wasn't accepted that means that the priest must have gone to a tier one or tier two senator).

I'm embarrassed to admit that I didn't place a bid in day one - initially I thought there was little point as I was a bottom tier guy. AE getting the bodyguard suggests that I might have been successful after all. Do you remember which bodyguard it was by the way, AE?

I placed a bid on the horses on Day 1 - can go look up my PM to see which one it was if that is noteworthy. There were two of them and one of them went to Alan.

I think that Chief Rum's posted thoughts on the services are pretty well thought out.

I'm going to give Bullet the benefit of the doubt for a little while today. But I definitely want to hear from him and will move to throw him from the rock (likely by mid-day) if that doesn't appear to be forthcoming.

Right now I am assuming that the bad guys ended up hiring alot of the services due to the complete lack of anyone speaking about the service availability. So far we know Hoops and I purchased horse dealer service, we know Ardent was one of the legionares. That leaves 1 legionare, 1 sex dealer, 1 warlord and 1 priest purchased. So that either leaves 4 bad guys who purchased those services or good guys who just haven't been around yet since or are just being rather selfish about the information.

I agree, that I'll give Bulletsponge some time to come and give a reason to not vote for him, but if past history is any indication, I bet he won't give us much.

Yes, if you are looking for me to give you a non-existant vote that doesn't exist in order to give an indication of something that my inaction would also show to go along with giving a reason for the inaction that I already had given, then... well.. :)

I think its pretty clear what my thoughts were about Coffee Warlord yesterday, I also remember Kwhit giving a decent amount of thought on it as well during the day. Far more so than anyone who came in and just "voted innocent" and left.

As for the Consuls, neither of the people I voted for were made a Consul, and I did comment yesterday that there seemed to be a nice go with the flow feeling on both the consuls and the Coffee Warlord feeling. Some members especially Tyrith jump out in my memory as being ones who clearly voted with whatever the general trend was at the time.

I agree with this fully. I asked for two days feedback from people on who they thought would be good arrest candidates, and hardly anyone responded over 2 days (3 real days). I can give my initial thoughts for this morning, but they likely will change during the day. Like I said before twice, my thoughts about who to arrest yesterday were centered around 4 people:

Imthecrew - The least amount of posts at the time, very little conversation or discussion from him.

DaddyTorgo - One of the least active players so far this game, completely missed consul votes yesterday

Lonestargirl - Another one of the least active players so far this game, didn't make all of he consul votes and voted to execute someone who couldn't be executed that day.

Bulletsponge - A little more activity than the other three, but his posts appeared to not really be as much conversation posts as they were just comedical or posts that didn't really contribute to the goal of finding traitors.

Out of the 4, I chose Bulletsponge since I felt of the four, I had a better chance at him being a traitor. Part of me feels that none of the four are traitorous though, which leads to the secondary desire of if you aren't getting a wolf, then definitly don't lynch a villager who is being really active.



Just keep in mind, that I think going for under the radar players isn't a bad early game strategy, but once information comes out on various people I would obviously rather go after peope we know or suspect to be traitorous. While i was consul, I just did not have any of that type of information available to me so had to rely completely on hunches since very few people helped me out with suggestions for arrest.

I didn't bid on any services in Day 1, I should have but I wasn't really paying attention to that part of it.

Lots of thoughts here, all in one post.

People that have struck a chord with me, in a negative way, at some point during the game:

1. Daddy Torgo - seemed to be playing a "me too" game on Day 1. Put out idea that KWhit is clogging the courts with suits (post #161). Bid on women Day 1 (post #161), no reports if he got them and if they provided value.
2. Barkeep - didn't understand his idea on suing "one level up" on Day 1, asks about suing randomly (post #93). Either having a hard time finding his groove early or something else. This is why I posted yesterday that I would like to see candidates emerge to challenge him as a Consul.
3. Autumn - looking to level financial playing field (post #71), asked about system where we don't pick who we sue (post #100). Did you get a horseman from Day 1 bid? (post #155)
4. Ironhead - was in his day 2 posts, haven't gotten that far yet in my review, will expand on this in post later today.


People who have left a minimal impression that I would like to see more from (that have not been previously discussed)
1. Anxiety - won a horseman (post #293)
2. Path - did you get the priest? (post #162)
3. Marc Vaughn
4. Schmidty
5. Antmeister
6. Neon Chaos



Also, further supporting the idea that lawsuit results are not random (post #171 by cronin):

Yes, day 1 I almost arrested daddyTorgo and day 2 I almost arrested him also. He's been bugging me alot this game for some reason I haven't quite put my finger on yet.

I kind of agree about Barkeep. not sure what exactly is up with him. I don't feel badly yet about Autumn or Ironhead, but perhaps its because they both are fairly new. Ironhead had some agenda that I couldn't put my finger on last night that I called him out on, but I don't think thats enough to say he's a traitor, he could have just been wrong.

On your second list, Anxiety really is the one that bugged me the most. He made references to things that I asked about and then tried to change the subject, to which I responded and then he just stopped responding all together on it.

BTW, boss isn't here right now. :)

Umm, I tried for the sex slave dude yesterday. I didn't get him. So someone else knows what they do now as well.

That sure makes me feel better. :)

I tried to put together some kind of charting to see what we can learn from the lawsuits.. This is the best I could come up with:

The biggest collection of lawsuits seemed to be from this group. We don't know how Kwhit and Hoopsguy relate to each other, we don't know what level Grammaticus fits in comparison to Hoopsguy, kwhit and myself.

1. Alan T Grammaticus?
2. Kwhit Hoopsguy Grammaticus?
3. Autumn
4. Saldana
5. barkeep
6. Neon_Chaos


The next group I seperated out as the only common person was Kwhit. Basically we know Kwhit and Anxiety both bettered Ardent who beat Swaggs. Somewhere in this grouping Daddytorgo, Bulletsponge and Mustang fit together too.
1. Kwhit Anxiety
2. Ardent Daddytorgo? Bulletsponge?
3. Swaggs Daddytorgo? Bulletsponge? Mustang?
4. Mustang?

Then we had two other lawsuits of individuals that wern't tied with the rest.

1. Peregrine
2. Path

1. Coffee Warlord
2. Ironhead

Hey, no one is perfect! :)

Ardent drops the suit against Alan T.

I know, but that was fun.

So today's lawsuits that are being decided that we can take a guess how some might end up:

Chief rum sues Lonestargirl - Unknown
Narcizo sues Peregrine - Unknown
Neon_Chaos sues Anxiety - Unknown (looking favorably to Anxiety)
Neon_Chaos sues Antmeister - Unknown
Neon_Chaos sues Autumn - Autumn should win
Neon_Chaos sues Barkeep - Barkeep should win
Neon_Chaos sues Path12 - Unknown
Neon_Chaos sues Peregrine - Unknown
Alan T sues Chief Rum - Unknown
Alan T sues Barkeep - Alan should win
Kwhit sues Chief Rum - Unknown
Kwhit sues DaddyTorgo - Unknown (leaning favorably to Kwhit)
Kwhit sues Hoopsguy - Unknown
Kwhit sues Narcizo - Unknown
Kwhit sues Neon_Chaos - Kwhit should win
Kwhit sues Tyrith - Unknown
Imthecrew sues Bulletsponge - Unknown
Imthecrew sues Alan T - Unknown
Antmeister sues Neon Chaos - Unknown

I have been thinking more about what Cronin said that some evidence of treason may come from a lawsuit. I wonder if that part was the hint at the role of the lawyers and it has nothing to do with the suits themselves. If the suits are simply just to try to gain money for your own dealings after all.

No clue. Like I said, I know nothing about what I do/can do.

Heck, I'm not even sure Dodgerchick is telling the truth about hiring me. I certainly wasn't told about it.

I was just thinking about who I trust on my way to get some things stapled. Right now, I don't trust anyone...outside of a small trust of CW because of how he's playing. Even that isn't much. Probably the first time this is the case in a while.

Alanus Teeus sues Grammus Atticus
Alanus Teeus sues Abeus Anxietus

Guessing everyone sees why i am sueing these two today, so won't go into a tons of details. Should help figure out more on how everyone fits together for lawsuits.

Yeah, I went back and forth on how I felt about Dodgerchick's reveal. The bad guys know I'm good, so revealing that to gain trust is a common move. I just think its pretty gutsy to indicate you have an ability that you don't have for very little gain if she was a wolf. We'll know more about how the lawyers operate today and tommorrow I imagine. If it shows to be consistant with the normal behavior of how the lawyers work, then we'll be able to take it somewhat close to face value. If not, then well I don't understand that move at all if she's not good. For now I'm willing to believe it and extend some latitude until we find out more from today's usage of the lawyers. (or I guess in this case would just be one lawyer as no one tried to get schmidty's service yesterday).

Right now from a trust perspective, I don't have anyone in full trust. I feel ok about a few people right now, however most people are in some shades of grey.

ohh i see how it goes, everyone wants to kill me! of course thats how the traitorous Tarqs want me to go, because i can buy services that will make it hard to assassinate me. I am loyal to the republic but it seems some of you have a thirst for my blood. at least someone can hire some horizontal refreshment from the sex dealer, jail is lonely


ill be out till past noon, ill be at work. i suspect the enemies of the republic will continue to gather support for killing me

I had a theory that the poorer person tends to win the suit, it was almost perfect but a couple of cases slipped it up. However if (lack of) wealth does factor in somewhere then KWhit should be markedly less successful today, compared with yesterday. My other theory is that everyone has a hidden debating ability which determines who wins each case.

To test the wealth hypothesis.

Narcizo sues LoneStarGirl
Narcizo sues DaddyTorgo

Alan seems to be doing a good job of gathering information if it's about a hidden stat.

I agree that the quote of st.cronin hoopsguy mentioned above suggests that we probably won't be getting information about treachery directly from the court cases as that would require a random check. (unless a result is entirely dependent on who is suing whom).

So is another warrant being issued?

If another warrant IS issued, and it's me. I'm counter-suing for damages. Justsoyouknow.

Another JSYK:

This is probably the most fun I've had in WW in a long long time.

Barkeep making me the captain is probably a close second.

Daredevil is probably 3rd.

?

:)

My list of potential arrests:

1. Narcazio -- Moved up a rank of wealth for no apparent reason
2. ITC -- Hardly ever an active player so this game isn't unusual, but as a rule I'm in favor of going after those who are less active
3. Ironhead -- Troubling inconsistencies

I would be open to other ideas as well.

Ardent seems to be posting just to be posting.