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It's okay. It'll get much easier as you play. Also, most games aren't this large, so it's much easier to keep track of things there. |
Anybody have a vote count?
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(8) Chief Rum - Saldana (482), Alan (504), Schmidty (552), Lathum (555), Blade (574), Jonathan Ezarik (577), Thomkal (585), Grammaticus (593) (5) Lathum - St.Cronin (557), Tyrith (565), Mr. Wednesday (583), Swaggs (594), Ntndeacon (595) (1) Saldana - Chief Rum (446) (1) Blade - Izulde (484) (1) St.cronin - Sndvls (532) (1) Spleen - BrianD (554) |
hmmm. just finally got in from going in to work (and getting transferred) and dinner with a glass of wine to catch up on the 4 pages of today.
so CR is the prime suspect and Lathum is the #2? Jon-I already explained that I voted late last night because I didn't get online till late, as with today, not getting on till around 8pm EST. So I only have 2 hours before the vote to catchup and cast a vote. As for tonight, we still don't know anything beyond that Scoobz was...a questionable character...did we even figure out if he was "evil" or just "shadowey?" Fouts we know was good. It's still a bit early to draw anything out of voting patterns/records, so I guess we have to go with reading people's posts to see how they're acting. So what exactly is the case for Rum? Although I have sort of seen this type of behavior from him before in the first game I played where he led me down a path and had me buying into his goodness while he was evil. But he does have work-related things, that much I remember. What's the case for Lathum? Anyone? I think if we were going to look at anyone it'd be saldana for his vigerous early attacks...no? |
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I think right now that both lathum and chief are good, so i have to find a way to distinguish the two. Of the two, i see more positives in chief's death then lathums...my opinion, take it for what it is |
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I dont think lathum or chief are bad, but i have to pick one. Vote you again and ill start to get accused of throwing my vote away. If you dont care, and will support me when those calls come, ill happily swap my vote to you. |
Vote Lathum.
I think our reasoning for CR is weak and hopefully this will get things closer and therfore tell us a little more down the line. I may move this vote if I have to to get a majority though. |
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Does it really matter what I say when anything i say you use to try to get others to distrust me? If you compared posts side by side between you and me and looked to see who was the more accusatory of the two from day 1, everyone would easily see its been you trying to get me lynched since day 1 and not the other way around. My opinion is you should do what you feel is in the best interest of your side (whatever that is in this game at this point) and don't even think about blaming your actions on me tommorrow. I'm not telling you who to vote for, I am using your vote to judge you further. |
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Well, did you get the promotion or was it a transfer to siberia? |
UNVOTE CHIEF RUM
VOTE ALAN T Fine, but dont come back in two days saying why am i throwing my vote away and avoiding lynches |
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didn't get the promotion, but got a short-term transfer to a location that about halves my commute and shouldn't be for more than a couple months till i get the promotion. so that's good i guess. still pondering the vote. I think I'm going to go out for an hour, get a coffee and walk the dog and mull my vote...vote in the last hour before lynch...if that's okay and not-suspicious with everyone. |
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I feel quite strongly that sal and al are both villagers. I think you're muttering "my precious" up the wrong tree. I do agree that it's possible, even likely, that Lathum and CR are both villagers. A game this large, and particularly with this ruleset, I think we are best served by looking at those players who are utr. |
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Blade, aren't you on the side of light? Don't throw a vote away out of spite. We need to build a track record. |
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5. Scoobz0202 - Lynched Day One. Silvos the Dark Adept, on the side of darkness. |
Vote Lathum
Like others have said, it's good to see a two player 'race' to see what happens, so for now I'm going to vote Lathum, unless votes are needed for another at the deadline. |
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Just making sure I understand it correctly when its my fault if you vote for Chief Rum and its my fault if you don't vote for Chief Rum. :) |
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I disagree with that vote, but I'd rather have people voting for those they think are bad, even if it results in no lynch. No lynch is NOT a terrible play - it's not a good play, but there are situations in which it's good for the village. |
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Who would you suggest? I can definately go the UTR route. The majority thing is just causing problems. |
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If he does I've got your back. |
OK, so to this point we have gotten alot of info. We need to look at the people who have voted for someone other the myself or CR. And I know I am good so I am suspicous of the people who are voting for me. If we do lynch CR and he comes up bad we have a strong start to work off of and if we lynch me that is a sacrifice I'm willing to make.
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I agree, but it's hard to come up with any good reason to motivate a UTR lynch, at least that people will follow along with. Unless it's like yesterday and someone just isn't playing. |
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In a big game like this, there's going to be a lot of people utr, plus it's pretty early to really have a handle on anybody. It's really all about perception. I agree, the majority thing is killing us. If we just bandwagon on the first guy to get two votes every day, we're going to get killed. |
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I'm glad there is someone besides me that isn't so bloodthristy they have to kill every day :) |
Being a victim of the way Chief Rum has played previous and the way he is playing now means...
VOTE Chief Rum I said earlier that I would vote for him unless something changed and I don't see anything to change it. I also find it neat that Tyrith is so aginst voting for him today. If Chief is bad, then Tyrith jumps to the top of the list for me. |
I just got back from the gym and received my PM. C-ya'll in a little bit...
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Is that a joke? I cant do anything right..either im voting for someone i dont believe is bad, and people dont like it...or im voting someone who is not in the race, and people dont like it...i love this game |
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I'm not so against, but we have SO MANY OPTIONS right now. Why pick a guy that isn't going to be around to defend himself? What possible good motivation is there to it? I understand Alan doing it; he has a precise reason. But some of the other early votes were just "oh, he acts like this when he's bad", while it's probably a couple days too early for that, and the rest is a sheer dogpile. Why not pick someone that could reveal a good role if they have one instead of taking it to the grave with themselves? If you want to lynch me for having independent thoughts tomorrow, sure, go ahead. |
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Yeah, this is really annoying overall. No matter what you do there is someone that can make an argument that will wind up with you dead...that's how I feel about all the votes today. No matter what happens if someone is willing to charge at you enough they can find something incriminating today. |
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It's no joke at all. With 25 people, this is still like a day 1 vote. I doubt either of these guys are on the dark side, either, but it worked yesterday. And, if it turns out that this is a close, two-man race, vote, we may be able to look back on today's and yesterday's votes to put together a decent list of suspects, particularly since we did hit yesterday. I can understand your frustration, but don't play angry. Play smart. |
I don't like chief or lathum as a vote today so I'm not moving my vote.
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You aren't the one he's frustrated at. He's frustrated because he changed his vote because Alan told him to vote for who he thought was bad, and here you are arguing the exact opposite way. He's screwed into a corner because no matter what he does one of you will be able to argue he wasn't doing what he should be. |
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I'm sorry, but yesterday was a joke for voting. I started it on scoobz with thinking he never really intended to sign up. Anxiety corrected that for us stating that scoobz was in fact playing. It was a shot at someone who didn't check in. almost everyone jumped on him, some sooner than others, but there really wasn't a lot to look at with him. |
btw, these were the first four votes for scoobz:
sndvls alant lsg fouts The first three are my circle of trust right now. |
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Yes. Yesterday's vote was totally not about allegiance -- it would not surprise me if bad guys were in on it because the writing was on the wall. Today is going to be fairly bad if we even get a lynch off because there are people that are voting for the sake of getting a lynch, not because of allegiance again. Overanalyzing these first few days of voting is going to cause us to make bad lynches later...in fact, overanalysis tends to get us into trouble no matter what it's about, at least historically. |
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Like I said, don't pin anything on me. I only said for him to vote who he wants to vote and leave me out of it. I'm not forcing him to vote anyone and I'm using his votes to judge him. I said this in my post to him. If he thinks I'm bad then so be it. I'm not the one attacking him, he's attacking me. I just want him to stop saying I have ultimate power over his will and decisions. |
okay I'll bring up the no lynch option like others have
in the rules it says that darkness can overwhelm the good. a 1:1 ratio isn't the wolves winning condition as they can overwhelm us. are we thinking that might be a 2 to 1 ratio (good to bad)? why don't you vote for who you want if we don't lynch we don't lynch, but the evil will have to make a kill and our seer or bodyguard will eventually nab someone. we can forced the darkness's hand here. make them do the work. as people die we can see their votes and see who is still around. |
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Do you think his teammates didn't know who he was? Do you think they piled on? Do you think they may have piled on after the die was cast, so they wouldn't look bad? I think there is information to take away from the Day 1 vote. Sorry if you disagree. |
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Heres my problem with this...we have two evil factions, who cannot win the game with the other. So both evil factions want to eliminate the other, and likely dont know its members. So i can assume the first 3 are good, as the other evil faction had just as much reason to want scoobz dead as the rest of us. |
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I can understand trusting them more than other people, mathematically, but like last game there is always the situation where both one of the voters and the target were bad, they just didn't know it. So while I agree with you it's to be weighed in the context of the game, as we eventually figure out what the rules actually are. |
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With there being 4 sides, even if Scoobz was on Saruman's side like I thought, I don't think you can say any of us (including myself) who voted for him isn't necessarily on Sauron's side. I think yesterday's vote might tell us about who was on Saruman's side, but not who is necessarily good or bad |
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funny thing is you said I wasn't there yesterday (I know it was day one,but it was funny at the time) and today I'm voting for you because of your vote for me yesterday and that I wanted to hear more from you today. (which you are giving me) just found it ironic :) |
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I would call the following players utr, just at first glance:
BrianD ntndeacon Schmidty Mr. Wednesday Izulde Thomkal Grammaticus Sublime2 DaddyTorgo |
Oh, I totally realize that one of those players could be bad. It's a starting point, is all.
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I think that info can be taken from it, but not by lynching a good guy today. see this game isn't like most (at this point with so many people required to lynch) where a simple majority lynches. we have to have half plus one. |
aaargh. i don't know...there's really not that much to go on at this point, beside CR seeming suspicious for a bit. why did everyone get away from saldana after his attack on CR again?
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dola - not saying lathum or CR are good either I just don't like them today
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st cronin...how am i UTR? I have plenty of posts in here, and I havn't been around 800 hours a day true, but that's because RL has reared its ugly head a bit.
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A simple majority is a half plus one, aka 51 out of 100 as in the US Senate. Most of our games have lynches done by a plurality instead of a majority. Just a semantic difference in terminology. |
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So, you have some inside knowledge that they are good guys? |
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not true evil wins when they overwhelm good they both win just not a major victory |
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*shrug* Others will have their own ideas about who is utr, or what it means to be utr - making lots of posts, to me, doesn't mean anything. |
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well we're already -1 evildoer. and -1 good guy too, but with their smaller original #'s and the goodguy not being a ranger I think we have the upper hand. |
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sorry that's what I ment. thanks for clarifying it. |
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Outside of a seer or witness fingering someone, what is enough to justify voting for someone on day 1 or day 2? If you want no lynch, that is fine, but I think it is smart to build a track record and start taking using the tools available to us to solve things. |
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This argument has been posed multiple times today and has no base whatsoever. Even if i was evil, and knew Chief and Lathum werent in my faction, he could still be in the other evil faction. So how could anyone, on day 2, know 2 people are good already??? |
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still trying to get a handle on such a big game. it's only my what...3rd game? 1st real big game. and i'm probably falling into the geekiness too much. |
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if you assume that evil only needs a 1:1 ratio the rules seem to state that a 2:1 good to dark ratio could win them the game too. it isn't clear, but it does infer that if it gets to a 1:1 we lose. |
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no and I stated that I just don't like them as lynch canidates for today. |
So with all the people not liking the two lynch candidates, has anyone put forth another candidate?
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There is no doubt whatsoever in my mind that there are some villagers on my utr list, in the same way that it's possible that one of the early voters for scooby was bad. It's a starting point, that's all. |
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I stand corrected it does state a 2:1 ratio provided there are no rangers and no strong outsider. |
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Ive said Alan for two days, and i know a few people want me |
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now why would you want someone to do that? |
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Right, so we have already established that we are playing WereWolf. :) |
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you can build a track record with a vote and no lynch still. it is used in many games when a bad guy is caught to see who they voted for ect. also used to see who a dead seer voted for assuming they survive past night 1 (unlike me in the football game) |
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brian here's vote recap...little outdated, but still a starting point |
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I'm saying that if we're going to lynch a guy we should pick someone that has the chance of coming out and saying that they're important if they are. Granted that we're going to going after someone, I'd much rather someone who was about to be killed tell us that they were important than just dying with the information. |
OOC: be back bath time
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i'm not a big fan of either CR or lathum honestly. I think it's quite likely that they're both good.
no one has put forth another viable candidate though, so i suppose i'll just hop on the bandwagon of one...and of the two I think we would learn more from putting Lathum under a microscope as CR isn't here to defend himself and convince us. However I fear it's too late for that, hmm? |
Right now I count it chief 8, lathum 7, others less.
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Where are you getting that from? Here is what the rules post says: Quote:
Nothing about a minor victory or any other type of victory is specified. It appears to be winner take all within the dark side. |
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please quote the post in which i attacked CR....i made two posts, one asking him to explain his logic, and one saying that he has a habit of accusations without thinking them through and then voting for him...both of these came after he voted for me first....i havent said a word about him since, so how exactly am i driving the vote against him....if you are gonna come at me, bring something more than a complete exaggeration of what was actually said.:rolleyes: |
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You left off LoneStarGirl. |
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Major victory implies that there are other victory conditions. And if you were playing on darkness and you overwhelm good wouldn't you consider it a partial victory? :) |
Okay guys, i am here, but im on page 9, so give me a minute
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Because she is on his team? |
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okay...fair enough. fair enough. i honestly was just going off impressions and hazy memories rather than reading a specific post. i need to get better about that. attack withdrawn |
so do we want to go with CR? or another for Lathum? the vote is pretty close
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Not if the rules don't specify it or the GM let me know via PM. |
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As well as CR who actually has been UTR both in number of posts as well as post content. |
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so your saying you are trying to get a good guy to reveal by voting for him.... Honestly I am a plain villegar so if I am lynched all you'll get is voting patterns which could be helpfull. |
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Well, suffice it to say that if darkness overwhelms good the remaining good players are out of the game, and it wouldn't surprise me if it's in bad's best interests to get us out of the way before they completely decimate each other. |
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I guess you didn't read my OTHER list, where I explained why she was in my cot. That's cool. |
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No, Lathum, fricking try to understand. If we ARE going to kill someone, which we are, and we aren't going to know anything about it, then wouldn't you rather someone with a good role be able to TELL US instead of just dying? We don't know role information on ANYONE so you can't say bull---- about it? We don't KNOW anyone is good, so stop trying to miscontrue my arguments you wolf. |
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Well, I don't know how you define UTR, but I say anybody getting as many votes as Chief Rum is very much on the radar. |
Okay, I dont like that lathum jumped on the chief rum bandwagon, but he has been bad in what, the last 4 games? No way he could be bad this game too. Plus, I really dont think Blade is bad for those that keep jumping on him... He's just weird :)
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Why? * He was the dark adept, not associated with a faction, so chances are pretty good that none of the bad guys realized what he was. * There was no night one, so there is zero chance of a seer or that sort being involved. I tell you, we did well to get the dark adept out of the game yesterday, but there is NOTHING to take out of the vote! |
Er, no night zero.
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Almost caught up. If I vote at the last minute, don't hold it against me alright?
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I completely and totally agree with this. Please don't try to take too much out of yesterday's vote. |
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Because she was one of the first four votes for Scoobz? |
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During the day, it was perfect for the bad guys, because there was never any risk involved; the leading votegetter was not on their team and he won in a runaway. It turned out poorly for them, because it wasn't a player they wanted to lose, but they were not exposed in any way in the vote. Quote:
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anyone...is there an actual case against lathum?
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I'm sorry, how do we know this? I see no mention of it in the rules. It just says he was on the side of darkness. Are you just assuming this? |
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Awww, are you paying close attention to me? I feel special ;) |
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About as much as there is an actual case against CR. |
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Because he wasn't revealed to be with a faction and factional affliations are revealed upon death. |
Okay, I agree that lathum and cheif aren't standing out to me. But i have always said a no-lynch is only good for the wolves. And since Cheif is leading the pack, i will help by voting him. Plus, like i said, no way lathum can be bad 4 games in a row!
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