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It should be noted you wouldn't have a vote had you not gone after a Jedi.
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And it looked like Qwik voted AE early, possibly to get a wolf vote in early since it looked like AE was the vote today. I've done this many times when I was a wolf. However he was given another solid candidate and he took it with the saying, "I'm easily swayed." If AE is lynched and turns out to be a sith then it obviously gives us other sith as well.
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I should note that if the person we lynch is a Sith I think we learn a lot from the lynch. So if that happens we're in good shape.
Dubb can you give specifics about that? It doesn't match my informal recollection. |
Dubb actually started the argument for Ardent, Barkeep.
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Dola, sorry wasn't expecting things to move this quickly on a Sunday afternoon. |
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Barkeep, I'm certainly willing to go back down that path (Qwikshot).
Dubb was vocal about Lathum, but that obviously didn't worked out well. Ardent wasn't vocal about anyone, although he did cite mckerney and Dubb earlier. And you and I a couple of minutes ago. |
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I believe he is referring to the late votes for Superman by Gramm, Ardent, and Sack. |
I really don't have a read on anyone yet. If we are to continue to make this a two person race like the last two lynches then fine. I'm believing AE more than dubb at this point so that is where I'm putting my vote tonight.
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Can't say I like this statement. Last game he "quit" to throw us off the fact that he was evil. This time he is acting disinterested and says he has no passsion for the game. Don't know if he is evil this time or not, but even if he's a jedi, having no passion for the game just because you don't have a roll isn't very helpful to the rest of us. Vote Ardent Enthusiast |
The bandwagon to save Quik was qwik unvoting himself, Gramm, Sack, and Ardent.
At 5 to 5 of those 4 Qwik had voted Ardent, Ardent had voted me and Sack had voted me. To break the tie Gramm votes me in post 486. He is followed by Qwik unvoting Ardent to vote me. They are now all on me, with 2 of them moving the bandwagon on the tie to put it pretty far out of reach right now. |
Well, the three late votes changes from Qwik to Superman were Gram, Sack, and AE. All three of those people are on Dubb at the moment.
Here is what I show for votes, which gives information about when the votes came in as well (post numbers). Ardent - Dubb (532), Hoops (550), mckerney (558), Barkeep (561) Dubb - Ardent (542), Schmidty (553), Sack (556), Jeeber (578), Desnudo (583), Gram (586), Qwik (588) Qwikshot - Cartman (594) Not Voted: KWhit, TazFTW, Tangle, King, Penny, StKelly, SnDvls |
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With that I have to go watch a movie with my girlfriend. May or may not have time to get back b/f the deadline. Look at the evidence. That is all we have to go by at this point. Look at the "group" votes, and the same people that killed Superman moved the vote on me once it was tied.
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Ardent - Dubb (532), Hoops (550), mckerney (558), Barkeep (561), KWhit (611) Dubb - Ardent (542), Schmidty (553), Sack (556), Jeeber (578), Desnudo (583), Gram (586), Qwik (588), SnDvls (610) Qwikshot - Cartman (594) Not Voted: TazFTW, Tangle, King, Penny, StKelly |
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This is how I feel right now, but think I have the most to learn by voting for ardent right now. |
I'm tempted to switch my vote to myself just to prove you wrong, barkeep.
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I think AE is playing either a pretty crappy game, or trying to throw everyone off with a fake sense of apathy. His posts seem rather disjointed and I would certainly think a villager would be working harder to save himself in the interests of the village.
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Heh, I'll gamble. You have more to learn by my death? Cool.
UNVOTE DUBB VOTE ARDENT I want to fight barkeep and dubb now if I get the choice. |
Now, may my death as a Jedi mean something.
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This sums up how I feel with my vote. |
Ardent my vote's sticking. I think we learn far more from lynching you then dubb at this pont for my reasons stated earlier. Please feel free to join me in voting for you.
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Yes it does appear to make it a tie.
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I thought you didn't have any special role? |
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Perhaps, I think at this point lynching ardent is a risk we should take with the possability of another villager or brutal. |
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Taz have you voted? Hoops has you on his no vote list.
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I think Dubb is the more likely suspect out of the two. AE certainly knows enough about being a wolf to avoid having been dragged into this discussion in the first place. Which is my real problem with the original vote, driven by dubb. |
Ardent once tried to protect himself by claiming to be a dreamweaver. I think he has just about every move possible in his arsenal and as such I expect that 98% of everything that goes into his posts to be well thought gameplay.
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No, I have not. I'm still debating where it is going to go. |
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Definitely. I underestimated him in one game and won't make the same mistake. However, it seems a little early to be sacrificing yourself as a wolf. |
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Also, if AE isn't the brutal wolf, would the real brutal wolf come foward please? It would help clear things up a lot. I kid.
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Agreed. For those of us voting for ardent I wouldn't feel comfortable that with it actually being a tie or him in the lead as long as he has the ability to swing it by changing his own vote. I think we need to have the total in favor of him being lynched with his vote assumed being for dubb. |
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Gramm, please unvote Dubb. Thank you.
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To help the rest of the jedi. More than one person has stated my death would benefit the jedi. So be it. If I'm of more benefit dead than alive, I can hold my head high and sleep at night.
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It's how he plays. Sow confusion. I'm thinking about giving him his wish, but I'd rather see what happens if we string up dubb. |
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Okily-dokily. VOTE ARDENT |
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I don't (and never will) understand why some villagers/jedi/whatever would play this way. I find it completely unhelpful to the rest of the good guys. So either Ardent is a sith, or he's an unhelpful jedi keeping us from finding the sith. So he needs to go, IMO. |
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I'd prefer at least one more vote in my direction so that no one feels I'll do a late switch.
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Why is that being a jerk? It's my honest assessment of the situation. |
My honest assessment is you're being a jerk.
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Votes updated through Post #656
Ardent - Dubb (532), Hoops (550), mckerney (558), Barkeep (561), KWhit (611), Tanglewood (620), Ardent (621), Taz (653) Dubb - Schmidty (553), Sack (556), Jeeber (578), Desnudo (583), Gram (586), Qwik (588), SnDvls (610) Qwikshot - Cartman (594) Not Voted: King, Penny, StKelly |
By the way, I will be retiring from Werewolf games after this game. It's been a great run.
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Cartman are you locked on to Qwik?
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It's pretty much how I feel too, does that make me a jerk? I just don't understand why you're being so defeatist about the entire exercise. |
Do whatever you'd like, kwhit. You're still a jerk to me.
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For the second game in a row. |
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Telling someone they are useless is not a good way to win friends and influence people. |
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The way I read it is random selection from a small group. Summarizing why I think Dubb's argument is flawed: I see Eaglesfan as a sensible target on night 1. He's played a lot of these and obviously has insight into how people think and act. I would rate him as one of better players. Most people tend to overlook him a little, but he's good. No one dies on night 2. So it's not really shocking that all four should be alive. Barkeep and Hoops are duking it out, so why bother? Attention will be on them without any help. That leaves AE as an excellent target. Well known, plays in a way that's hard to read, uses defensive tactics. So the list goes on. He's a perfect fall-guy. Anyway, that's my take on it. |
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Uhhh, okay. Maybe you're just playing the Blade "piss people off" tactic. Or maybe you're just having a bd day. Whatever the case, calling people names on a messageboard is pretty lame. |
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Well voting for yourself when a small bandwagon froms up on you, bu you still aren't even in the lvote lead yet, and complaining along the lines of 'well I might as well show you when I'm dead' seems pretty defeatist to me... Earlier you said you have no passion for this game because you have no role. I don't mean to offend, but why did you apply to this game if you were just going to not care if you got, by far the most likely possibility, a plain Jedi role? That just seems incinsere to me more than anything else. |
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I'm voting myself, not as a defeatist, but because more than one person has said the group would have more to gain from my death than from dubb's. That, and certain people here are acting like jerks. |
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Desnudo I love your analysis except why wouldn't dubb simply pile onto me or hoops if he's a wolf? Why put himself out there?
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I also have no knowledge of the attack last night beyond what has been posted here.
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I'd really like someone else to vote for me to seal the deal. Then I could trade my vote out to kwhit.
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Ardent if you are the Seer, you need to tell us.
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Interesting. A guest is here. Could that be, I don't know...DUBB?
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I am a plain jedi. I looked into the Force for something to distinguish myself, and couldn't find anything. I'm an ordinary jedi. That's all. For 2 more minutes. |
Unvote Ardent
Vote Dubb Explanation forth coming shortly. |
If I was a target last night I have no knowledge of it. I would have posted on it, if not immediately then early enough for people to act on that information.
So here is what we know so far: Eaglesfan/Alan T - force bond, Eagles definite Jedi Lathum - special Jedi Superman=#54 - ordinary Jedi (don't think this is a big assumption) ??? - bodyguard or blessed I would assume that there is a seer out there. I've thought to myself that Ardent might be a Duke with the way he was playing this - it appears we will see if that is the case in a couple of minutes. |
I can tell you this, if I were a wolf, and the heat was on ME, I'd be offline right now.
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Actually nm. If Ardent's going to insist to the last that he's plain then my theory doesn't work.
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Well one answer is obvious, I think. The other on is that you are both Jedi. Where do you think the lens will turn next if AE turns out to be a Jedi? I can see how this will play out already. AE is a jedi and the next one to go is hoops or barkeep depending on who has the more persuasive argument. If you are both Jedi, then you both end up dead in that scenario. |
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My idea was that Ardent was the bodyguard and dubb was a wolf. Dubb attacked ardent and ardent knew this, as did dubb. Ardent didn't want to paint himself as a target, but dubb was afraid enough of him that it was worth going on the offensive.
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WTF just happened??
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Hey look, it's DUBB and the guest is gone.
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This is crazy. And you guys are not making it easy to keep up with votes :mad:
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Explaination forcoming? |
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