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Also, on the Qwikshot mention above, I meant to include Vince in that list with me, Path, and KWhit. Those are the people that I know started to the SE so I consider them less likely to be pirates since it is harder to conceive they used the knife to kill SnDvls. That is my starting group for slot #1
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How much is needed? I can contribute and/or do the viewing.
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4 GP is required for the viewing.
Now that we are in the day cycle, if it requires wasting one of my APs I would prefer to reimburse the person later today in the afternoon/evening cycle. Will publicly post the give action for everyone to see (assuming I'm not killed in the morning). If it doesn't require spending an AP to give the gold then I'm happy to do it before our actions start. |
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So I read this as indicating that a give will cost the "giver" one of the five turns. And I would prefer not to burn one of my turns if there are already sufficient funds to do this without me. I can either reimburse the person who does this today or contribute to the person we elect tomorrow or whatever other strategy people would like to follow. And if we don't have enough people willing to give then I'll reluctantly do it during the day cycle today because we need this information. |
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Guys, if it only requires 4 gold, I will do it. Don't send gold. I have it. That way I'm broke in the end, and maybe the pirates will leave me alone.
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What should my actions be to do this is my next question.
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So it looks like Hoops is going to be viewing the evidence? I would suggest that someone watch Hoops and that RA veiws hoops. That should build a nice circle of trust.
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Ok, I see AE has the gold. I would suggest that RA view AE and someone watch AE.
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I'm fine with AE doing this if everyone else is. Qwik was my #1 choice for this and all three people I listed were in the thread so I'm hoping we have at least some discussion on this ...
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AE having four gold makes it easier as we don't have to have anyone waste a turn giving him gold. I'll still reimburse him (or whoever) one gold later this afternoon/tonight as promised.
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Let me get this straight. I'll go D3 (police station), buy the view (does that count as an AP?), and then I can do what I want, right?
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I went Northwest and didn't see anyone. |
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Looking at the rules I believe buying an item or service will cost an AP. |
AE is fine with me. I'll donate the 1 GP to him in the next cycle as well. I think he should be given the full amount for giving up APs, so we'd need two more donations.
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What if AE is a pirate?
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Well, I know I'm not. I know that's not good enough for you, though. I could pass on my gold to someone else to do it, though.
Either way, I'm not holding on to it after revealing I have it. |
I'm ok with AE viewing.. I guess I don't really trust anyone, so this is a gamble for us.
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Barkeep, does depositing/withdrawing gold from the bank cost an AP?
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Any of these people is a gamble.
KWhit, how would you feel about AE giving you the four GP for this today and we all reimburse AE tonight with 1 GP each? That would only cost one of us an action, instead of 3-4 people actions with 1GP apiece. Spidey sense went off a little bit when AE said that he had 4 GP to himself. After hearing how poor everyone was after the first night of digging I guess I am being a little paranoid. |
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If AE is willing to give up 4 GP in a turn to complete this - even as a loan - that would move him up my trust list. The person who does the viewing also becomes trusted using King's strategy.
If we go this route then I would strongly suggest that AE set up a bank account today as well as he should be getting 4 GP back tonight and may want to look into having that option going forward instead of being mugged or being a target for pirates. |
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I don't think that tells us whether the person is a pirate or not does it? |
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Yeah, for me its one of those things.. I would rather it not be someone so eager to do it. I'm ok with Kwhit I think. Right now out of everyone, he has the highest trust in my circle. Although I still don't feel fully comfortable with anyone just yet. |
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Calm your spidey sense down. I went digging the opposite way. To tell the truth, I went digging down by that river over that way. I digged in the same spot...got 2 gold each time. |
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He means have RA "watch" the person doing the actions so 1) They can't be killed without the watcher knowing. 2) They can verify they did it. Basically its a three person thing: 1) Kwhit pays the police 4 gold to search Blade's belongings. 2) Raiders watches kwhit to verify his actions and watch for killers 3) Player X watches Raiders to verify his and watch for killers. |
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I'll admit that it did for me too, but he had to have known that it would raise eyebrows to say that. if we're pulling 0-6 GP when we mine, it stand to reason some will fall on the high side. |
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Ardent is not on my trust list right now (not really many anyone on there), but he is not my top 5 suspects per say... but I would feel more comfortable with Kwhit doing it I think
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AE, if you were willing to spend the 4 GP initially then is it a problem to give it to KWhit instead? Or to give it to another player that you would pick?
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At the same time I figured with us watching each other it would keep us safe from an attack.
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Bottom line, I'm fine with either of these guys doing this - heck, they were #2 and #3 on the list that I posted.
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Well, I could just forward my gold to Kwhit, though I have as much reason to trust him as he does me. I could just watch RA.
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I'd be fine with doing it if people trust me more.
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This is like negotiating a government contract. I agree on KWhit as well. Let's make him the observer.
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Either way is fine with me, I just want us to understand that we won't definitively KNOW one way or the other.
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Just thought of something: Couldn't we both go? Seems like a waste of gold now that I think of it.
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If you both have 4 gold to spend. I believe the police deal directly with 1 person (ie: PM to one person) |
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Police Station If the *!&# authorities would just pay these men what they deserved then maybe they’d be a little more honest in performing their duties. Each service may only be purchased once per day, unless otherwise specified. Only one person can view the evidence. |
Well, there goes that idea. It probably would have been a waste of an additional 4 gold, anyway.
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I'd recommend against that course of action. I know that 4 GP doesn't seem like much, but I think we should husband our resources. Pick the most trustworthy guy at this point and go with him. That's KWhit in my mind.
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I'll try not to feel slighted by that comment. :p |
Who is going to be the 3rd man on this team?
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And as backup, in case KWhit should be unable to fullfill his duties as police briber, I vote for AE. |
Barkeep, who/what is Handy Harry's? It is listed on the map but not in the rules.
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Just trying to work through the actions
T1: AE hands money to Kwhit T1: Can KWhit move directly to the police station? They need to be in the same square. If there is an opportunity to do this it would make sense for AE to be the 3rd man, since we are using his money initially (if he wants it). If not, then I'm up for whoever. |
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There are so many things that could go wrong.
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holy crap. i just caught up to everything since i left for work, and this might be the most confusing friggin game ever.
i have some concerns about our little viewing group....i only had .5 an AP left yesterday, and was told that i saw ardent most of the day...i only dug once, so if we were in the same square, how did he get to dig twice. |
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Yea, it would make sense for AE to be the 3rd man since he has to give KWhit the money.
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Just did a quick review to see if there was any history with KWhit and RA from earlier today.
KWhit cast the last vote for Raiders before his investigator reveal. KWhit was also the first to pull back the vote. And within about 25 posts he says that he trusts RA. Nothing here that makes me feel a need to move KWhit out of the drivers seat for today's bribery. |
Saldana, does AE's information make sense to you? Trying to make sense out of 'very interesting' ...
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Well, I don't know where he ended up.
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Actually, I was wondering how he ended up with .5 AP.
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Ok I'm back and catching up. If I miss a question you asked and you'd like an answer please ask again.
You must buy an account but after that as long as you are at the bank it doesn't cost anything to Deposit or withdraw. Any number of people can buy a service from the police. That wasn't clear. A player, however, may only buy each service once per day. Handy Harry's was going to have some of the items at Elle's Emporium but I did not think there were enough items to warrant two stores and merged them. It's an artifact and I will remove it. |
Blasted Wal Mart moving in the area! :mad:
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Thats only on the second trip through the same square (doubling back) too. I am still looking for another way for .5, but havent found it yet |
I'll be happy to view the evidence, but I wonder if that is going to make me a target for a pirate kill?
I wonder if it doesn't make more sense to have someone do it without broadcasting it all over the thread? I know that's going to be impossible to do right now since AE seems to be the only one with at least 4 gp. But if I view the evidence and spend the 4gp and then am killed at the police station, we're out the gold and me!!! :) And the watch action doesn't specify what happens if someone is watching me and I'm attacked. Quote:
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It might make you a target, but if we're going to catch pirates in the act, it will be with 2 people watching -IN- town. Im not sure if they can even kill close to town safely or not. I guess its a risk on our part, but likely a bigger risk on their part I am thinking |
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I don't know. Maybe barkeep didn't catch it, that's my only guess. I'm neither the athlete or a pirate.
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Is the deadline in 40 minutes??
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guys, i think we need to blow up the old plan at this point because of concerns about AE.
Do you want to try and string it back together (KWhit viewing, Raiders watching) with someone else supplying the money or just have an unannounced visit by someone to visit Blade? That way it will be harder for the pirates to know where to be, during what turn, to kill someone. |
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Let's hold off until more people have enough gp. That way hopefully the pirates won't be able to track and kill us. Maybe tomorrow we can use the messenger service to secretly pick someone to view the evidence on Blade. |
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Worst case scenerio, Blade can sit in jail a bit until 1 person has enough money to privately go view him. I think with the plan in place, it had failsafes to guard against a pirate being in the middle. The only really bad place would be if Kwhit was a pirate, or BOTH RA and Ardent were (which right now might actually be a possibility). |
I shouldn't, Kwhit. Either barkeep made a mistake...or something. I don't know. I didn't even know what a fleet of foot thing was. I had to go read it after I saw Taz post it.
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That may be so, but I don't think we would feel comfortable with the evidence plan tonight for a couple of reasons - your actions last night just one of them. |
I could understand that.
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Could, can. My english has been screwy since I started this APA research class.
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I'll give KWhit 2 GP if someone(s) will cough up the other 2.
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I think we need to do this tonight. The longer we wait, the more advantage to the pirates.
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sorry, got pulled away by work. what i was saying was very interesting is the exact thing that taz pointed out...ardent would have needed 6 points to dig twice, or he is lying about how much gold he has, because i only got 2. the half point thing was a math/rules error on my part, i thought you only spent 1/2 a point for traveling on roads, so my travel orders would have been
ap1- d4 to e4 ap2- e4 to f5 ap3-4 f5 to g6 (across the river) ap5 - dig (yield 2 gp) i thougth the d4 to e4 move only cost me a half point, hence the .5 leftover statement either way, AE would have needed 6 points to get 4 gold from that square, or he is lying about having 4gp, which could mean he will go to the PD, but not actually do anything, since he is the only one that will know if he did it. |
Desnudo, I'm going in. I've got the money as well and I don't trust anyone else at all.
Here were my actions yesterday: AP1: E5 AP2: F6 (should have Path and Vince confirm this) AP3 - AP5: Dig three times. Path had enough money to buy the necklace (3 GP) and I suspect that he could have upped his offer from where he ended up. Anyone who wants to watch me, get on board. And I'm willing to take offers for what my remaining actions should entail, but I'm planning to go like this: AP1: Police Station (C4) AP2: Bribe official AP3: C5 AP4: C6 AP5: Dig |
I would also ask that someone try to watch Ardent in this cycle.
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Yes, someone please watch AE. That was an interesting turn of events earlier. I think we are making the right decision allowing Hoops to go into the station versus someone else. |
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Looks like we did the same thing, though my PM does not state you were there digging near me. Regardless, I'm not lieing. I did not use a fleet of foot move, as the athlete or a pirate. |
Hoops you are now 100% in my book. I too was at F6 yesterday, but I chose to dig once and then hide just in case someone was tracking me.
I went E4 - E5 - E6 - dig - hide |
I can not type today. ARGGHHH. E4-E5-F6-dig-hide
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then how did you dig twice? you would have been out of AP after the first dig just like i was. |
King, you sure you posted that right? I don't see F6 in the list there.
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I don't know. My PM is right up there. My first PM is right up there. I sure as heck didn't know about any fleet of foot thing last night when I sent them in.
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OK - but why did you go E4 and then E5? Next time shoot a diag there and save yourself a move, unless you were doing that to be elusive or something ...
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