Dola-

Release Sui! That commercial more than makes up for any "posting while boxed" that he may have done!!!

I figured that's who it was since the directory structure for the file had his name in it.

Unless Sov just accidently put the file in with all of his Suicane pics.

No pix plz kthx.

I hope this game turns out to be good'
there's not much out there other than Madden :(

oy

ftp://ftp.matrixgames.com/pub/Maximu...GetsBurned.avi

Edit: It's a game clip

double oy

well

Bwahahahaha

This is the Waterworld of games.

More like Ishtar ;)

which codec do i need to download to get this to play.

all I am getting is the sound and no video.

let me see if my version of media player is updated.

xvid

gratz.

Wow, looks like John Elway football.

Is this an ad by you guys?

http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=1063628

:D

Yeah, we've got a narc. :)

Holy shit was that bad. I'm pretty sure that physics are hard to program when you have a one-man team and all, but when a player gets hit from behind. It's hard to fall back wards like he was just speared by Bill Goldberg.

Now this is a nice uniform. I can't wait for these mods because they even have gray faces with accentuates of the ruggedness of the pixelated man.

http://home.comcast.net/~suicane75/MaxFootballSplat.avi
http://home.comcast.net/~suicane75/MaximumBaby2.avi

PS - Suicane is buying the game.

oh man, this looks amazing. i might be putting this on my "must buy" list.

I just keep rewinding and watching the kick-off over and over. I love how the kicker runs up to the ball, then stops, then kicks it.

:D Bwahahahahahahahahaha!

Don't you go and try to delete that sov, he's got it backed up!!!! OMG!

I just got done watching the clip of MF gameplay... OMG you have to be kidding me, I can't even begin to rip the game because its would be just to easy... Let me install my old FPS95 and compare the graphics, WOW FPS beats it hands down and it's only 11 years old.. Oh well, it appears I already have a better game and I bought it along time ago... Back to the drawing board David W....

Those would be great for a womans league.. :rolleyes:

I haven't been able to get that file to download. Of course, I probably couldn't watch it anyway because I don't think I have the Divx codec installed on this machine, so I guess it doesn't matter, but my interest is definitely piqued.

Where is Bubba now?

You know, amidst all the hubbub about the comincal release promises and timeline, there are a few serious questions in all this...


Even though the grand accomplishment of this game is nominally its spectacular graphics, I am still just a shade worried about its in-game AI. Recall, this is a game with a lot of flexibility -- Canadian football, arena football, Martian football, football with 54-point touchdowns -- it's all in there.

We have seen the challenges that a game like FOF faces, even in its 5th generation, even working with (basically) the same set of rules that it always has. Some might tally that up to Jim G being a buffoon -- I am inclined to think it's more a function of the gameplanning decisions actually being pretty compex and nuanced, making it hard to anticipate every single thing that might come up in a game situation. You do your best, but it will be tough to get it to work ideally.

Fast forward to M-F. Here's a game that not only seeks to run realistic games, but to do so and react ot an infinite number of rule schemes. How should a 10-point touchdown change your decision on third and long fgrom the 30? Shit -- what does third and long from the 30 even mean in a game where you get 7 downs to complete the 25 yards necessary for a first down? This stuff certainly has the possibility to be complex, and for a first generation game with its first love being graphics... I have to wonder how high should the bar be set, really?

My best guess is that what this will really be is a Canadian football sim (by its internal logic) that can be morphed into an American football sim without massive undermining of the game logic. But I have to suspect that if you *really* take full advantage of the whole notions of flexibility (in game rules, not just the banal stuff like the number of teams or games) then you will render the game pretty much incomprehensible on its insides.

I hope I'm wrong, but I think this is a fair assessment in advance. It's tough to get this decision-making right. Will be even tougher given what the game suggests it will try to do. Good luck to those who already have their plans laid out for a time-intensive, complex, multi-tiered league with customized rules and "career" play.

I have to assume that's an option in this, the most customizable football game EVAH.

I was thinking yesterday that we really need this thread:

Bubba and jbmagic giving relationship advice to Golden Eagle and LoneStarGirl with a special appearance by Franklin and Capiscum. That would be sweet.

Awww, come on SD. No need to rip on poor Sui over there... :(

I think it's safe to assume that there is no way the in-game AI will be able to handle the customizations to the level that would be a challenge for a human player.

I fear that the in-game AI won't even be a challenge with the default rule-set for the CFL or NFL.

You should know how I can't stand inaccurate information.

You know, something just occured to me. We are all just having (innocent?) fun over here (though it is fun at David Winter's expense). And I think that we are well within our rights to say whatever we want. But this board does have the initials FOF on it. We all know that FOFC is not officially affiliated with Solecismic Software, but you can't really expect others to know that.

The last thing that I would want to do is hurt Solecismic's potential sales and reputation by having our somewhat meanspirited (though really funny) rantings associated with Solecismic.

(Not that this has anything to do directly with your comment, but I can see where SkyDog may be motivated to do some damage control over there).

The thought of a computer saying "EVAH" just makes me giggle. :D

I agree. I think it's important that people understand FOFC isn't officially connected to Solecismic, especially when we rip apart something like we've done with Maximus Football.

Meh, it's not like Jim hasn't partcipated in this thread...

Yes, but Jim's comments are his responsibility...everything else shouldn't be held against Solecismic. Just because Marc Vaughan posts here shouldn't mean that people think SI Games are ripping on Maximus Football as well.

Is it possible to buy the game yet? I really, really want to get my hands on this. It has the makings of a great dynasty.

To continue with QuikSand's quasi-serious comments--I am worried by the idea that the developer's reaction to anticdotal evidence of skewed stats is the reaction that we can adjust settings and attributes to get the stats to our liking.

First, I want the game to work well--with NFL (or CFL or Arena or whatever the default league is) realistic stats right out of the box. That should be the default because maybe I don't want to have to play with sliders for 2 hours before I can play a game--and because it will give me faith that the sim engine is very solid.

Also--I want to build my team based on the team that can do the best, not the team that is the most realistic. If it turns out that, say, if you have a WR with Speed over 90 he will always get open on deep routes and can average 250 yards and 4 touchdowns a game--then I don't want the answer to that to be "don't get WRs with speed over 90." I want to try to kick as much ass as possible--and not worry about too many house rules because there are holes in the AI that I am supposed to fix by playing the game a certain way.

Finally, and this is related to my second point, it helps to immerse me in a game if I can feel like what my players have accomplished is set in a realistic universe. The owner of the IHOF North Plainfield Plague can feel smug about the otherworldly play of his QB--David Conti. He does not need to worry about whether Conti is too good for the game. Or whether we need to tweak a slider or two to keep the results more realistic. He can just play and try to kick our asses and feel good when he does.

All of this is, of course, meant in the nature of constructive criticism. Obviously, the game designer has decided to go with customizability over the "do one thing, do it well" model. And that is his decision. I just don't think that it is my cup of tea at all.

I know what you're getting at, but it doesn't make sense in this instance. Marc Vaughan hasn't posted in this thread at all, so there's no reason for anyone to think that he's ripping on MF. Jim has indeed done some joking about MF, though. So I don't think he, or anyone else, could get upset at the community in general if his sales suffer because of this thread.

But yes, perhaps a fairly noticible disclaimer is in order. There's probably PLENTY on this board that Jim would prefer wasn't assumed to be affiliated with Solecismic Software...

I want to buy stock in M-F's ISP and Hosting company just for the spike they'll see in the bandwidth costs to manage the tech support/bugs forum.

After watching the gameplay video, i've completely lost all interest in this game. It's going to be even more frustrating than madden to play and probably mind-numbingly easy to boot.

You know what?





I've got a fever and the only prescription is more MAXIMUM FOOTBALL!

Serious question:

What is the possible draw of this game over Madden? What are the features that might make this game more appealing to a gamer than Madden?

The ability to create your own plays?
The ability to customize the league structure (I'm not sure if Madden has this or not)?
The ability to make a TD count 10 points?

I'm intentionally leaving out anything to do with the sim engine, because even though Madden has its faults, I can't imagine this will be an improvement. Of course, others may think it will be an improvement and that's the draw, but if so, they're delusional.

Serious answer:

I really think homeboy thinks that the ability to play with Canadian rules is going to be a significant draw.

This looks slightly better than 4th and inches. A game i played on my Apple 2GS back in the late 80s.

The fullback in 4th & Inches was named "Rusty Naylz," making it the greatest football game ever.

I liked Mike Quick at wingback, and Joe Dakota at QB.

Alright, I just watched the real movie trailer of MF. Is that better or worse than FBPro?

MF looks horrible. Sorry, just my biased opinion.

I have repeatedly read very mean spirited, with no attempt at humor, comments by Mr. Winter directed at individuals and the entire text sim community. I was actually going to buy this, just to support another developer, until I read some of the garbage he has spewed. What goes around comes around.

I think the game is going to speak volumes for itself, no matter what anyone writes.

!MF ROX! !U will C! !HATERS!

Totally agree. Maximum Football will lie in the bed that it has made for itself. I am not sure that the makers of the game understand how much of a resource the larger text-sim community can be. Both on this thread and on the Matrix board, there have been attempts made at constructive criticism by people who really know what they are doing. I feel like those useful fonts of information and critical response have been silenced by hostility from the MF folks. If they don't want to hear people's advice on how to improve and sell more product, then people will quickly stop trying to give it to them.

Also, there are people on this board (like you) who would have been willing to buy the game, just to support a guy who has spent his evenings and weekends for the last few years trying to make something for other people to enjoy. I think that most of those people are going to save their $30 now.

I know that MF is not a text-based game. But it just seems silly to pick a fight with the text-sim community, which would have been able to provide some customers and some useful feedback over time.

:rolleyes:

That damn David Lee Roth.

Exactly how many people who would buy (for anything other than UIC value) the steaming pile of crap that MinFoot seems a virtual certainty to be would ever be a customer for any even semi-serious sports game?

Seriously, this is like worrying about getting into a spitwad fight with an organic gardening forum hurting the sales of a sports game company.

Yep...I'm pretty sure I've bought every independent game that has been discussed on this board solely because I know what goes into coding and I'm amazed at the guys who are able to go out on their own and complete these projects. There are games I've bought that I don't play more than once or twice (Mogul series, anyone) but I'll keep buying just to support independent development.

This game, however? Nope. This guy acts too much like a asshat for me to want to support him.

Am I the only one who thinks that it's at least a possibility that he lifted some sounds right out of FBPro?

The "Ready" and "Hike" sounds exactly like it did in FBPro. (Not saying he did, but they do sound identical)

D. Winter's response to the video being posted in the video thread on the Matrix board:

" Yeah.. that's an old build :) .. I can see the differences just there"

Well that's a relief. Awesome.

"... Subtle ones.. but there are differences."

....subtle?....nevermind then.

HEHEHE

You said asshat :D

It was all about Flash Darling, thank you very much.

Don't ever let this thread die.

And please don't let Maxifoot ever be released so we can continue this thread.

Oh, man, I loved 4th and Inches! That game ruled!

I wonder if you can run into the BEER TENT and order a drink, now that would Maximum Fun. :p

I keep watching that video in fascination at the apparent ability of the first tackler to teleport himself a few feet to his left.

Perhaps, lightning bolt is coded into the game.

That teleport ability is pretty good graphics though...

And I'm not even joking with this question--is that video real or something that someone doctored?

LOL

The guy really does end up coming from the left in the game. Suicane just doctored it to make it look like he's teleporting. He did a good job and I don't want to know how much time he spent on that one.

it's cust-o-miz-able, baby.

Dola-

Watch the real video on Page 13 if you haven't already.

Thx.

If you stare at it really closely, it looks more like the guy coming from the left hits his own man, and the ball carrier just falls forward.

JUST when you thought it couldn't get any better.....

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Jonah!

Is that the porn star guy?

Or don't. You aren't missing much.

Well what difference does it make, really? I mean, with some Maximum Customizationating you can give your players the ability to transport. I think they're also adding the ability to fly, burrow underground, become invisible, and explode, but that may push the release day back a tad.

Cool! I always wanted a game that was a combination of football and Dig Dug!

:D

So... is this game out?

not yet.. i posted a "where can i buy it?" question on their board. Release is supposedly about a week away.

(i should have included sarcasm tags)


is teleporting a bug or a feature?

both?

If they'd use a real CODEC rather than the DivX / Xvid junk I might. In these days of spyware and trojans, last thing I'm putting on my machine is some freeware video CODEC.

Thanks, that worked!!! LOL! 5 mile football field and your QB is a cheetah...:D

That line just came out of fucking nowhere. I love it!

I'm glad that touchdowns can be worth both quarts and liters of milk, accounting for Canada being on the metric system and all.

that's right - midgets allowed in this game...

That's interesting, looks like the video was spiced up for an upcoming VH1 appearance. W00t!

MF VH1 Trailer
6MB - Safe For Work - Some Language

The ending rocked. Well done.

finally checked out that suicane commerical. not as "my sides hurt!" funny as everyone made it out to be, but i like it. i listened to it twice in a row. he's got pretty good comedic timing.

sov, can you get Suicane to do more of that? tell him to do it on any topic.

all in all, well done.

Thank You. I think we were all waiting for you to rubber-stamp this thing before we did any more laughing.

i think it was cuz i read all the one-liners in people's posts. based on people's reaction i was expecting 1980s Eddie Murphy standup-calibre stuff. this was more like Nipsy Russell on a good nite.

Anyone notice anything similar here?





Interesting to me, because I know Georgia Tech has had a few trademark battles over the last few years (most notably with the Salt Lake City Buzz--though that was over a slightly different issue).

Clearly, the Georgia Tech Yellow Jacket is facing to the left while MF's is facing right. It's like comparing Starsky to Hutch.

There sure are a lot of screenshots featuring cities that aren't in Canada.

Hmm, that logo does look very similar. It's impossible to tell from the angle if it is exactly the same.

Am I the only one getting a bit nostalgic for FB Pro 98 while reading through this thread. I wish it would run well on XP (I can't seem to get it to do so.) Of course, I'm probably forgetting all of the flaws in the game..

Nice that he had the courtesy to edit out the "registered trademark" symbol -- you know, just to show that his yellowjacket design was an original one.

And to be fair, according to his team list, it's a Cleveland Hornet. Completely different. My bad.

I agree with that -- it's either lifted, or uncannily similar. Given what we've seen from the graphics above - I'm guessing the former.